FabSwingers.com forum: Boris Johnson on hatred

By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

Anyone read the article Boris wrote in the Telegraph about hatred?

All politics aside it was a very well written article about the psychology of "hate."

Worth a read if you get the chance - it is being widely circulated on Facebook as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone read the article Boris wrote in the Telegraph about hatred?

All politics aside it was a very well written article about the psychology of "hate."

Worth a read if you get the chance - it is being widely circulated on Facebook as well."

Boris has always been a rather good writer.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Anyone read the article Boris wrote in the Telegraph about hatred?

All politics aside it was a very well written article about the psychology of "hate."

Worth a read if you get the chance - it is being widely circulated on Facebook as well.

Boris has always been a rather good writer."

Shame he's such a penis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

he a essentric English man witch is nice to see these days being a tory don't make him a penis compared to the rest of his party id say he the best of the lot....but no I would not vote for him as im not a tory

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

This is not about politics, please lets not go down that road.

His article is about the psychology of hatred and it is very well written and worth a read.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh so sorry ill shut up

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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago

Northampton

BoJo for Prez!!!

I love him!!

Will never forget Russell Howard on his show, saying as an opening Olympic ceremony we should just have BoJo pumped full of acid and watch him go....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is not about politics, please lets not go down that road.

His article is about the psychology of hatred and it is very well written and worth a read."
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Did he mention how him and is old mucker the convicted fraudster guppy planned on beating up journalists who'd wrote disrespectful articles on his wife... Oh yeah it's not just Muslims who find free speech a fucker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look up, Irony.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic."

That's Eton for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When that advert comes on TV (with the orangutan on), i think of Boris and he walks like that too.

Never vote for him though, too establishment for me.

Boris is not that intelligent lol.

Eton is not in the real world.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

He is stating a simple and universal truth, summed up with just one sentence in the piece: "...then remember the golden rule of hatred. It’s not about you. It’s about them."

The rest was political point scoring and detracted a little from the overall thrust of the piece.

His brain is immense, he has energy and he is affable and personable. I still don't trust him for all that.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"This is not about politics, please lets not go down that road.

His article is about the psychology of hatred and it is very well written and worth a read."

Of course this is about politics.

Everything Boris says or does is about politics.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"This is not about politics, please lets not go down that road.

His article is about the psychology of hatred and it is very well written and worth a read.

Of course this is about politics.

Everything Boris says or does is about politics."

The sub-editor's headline makes that clear before you start to read the body of the article.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

They can't teach intelligence, only secondhand knowledge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

How can you make assumptions on mine or Boris Johnson's intelligence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

They can't teach intelligence, only secondhand knowledge."

No school can. So why the need for a dig at Eton?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

How can you make assumptions on mine or Boris Johnson's intelligence?"

I can only make assumptions based on the quality of argument in your written work. I stand by the call I made. That's not supposed to be an insult, I think he's a very bright chap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

They can't teach intelligence, only secondhand knowledge.

No school can. So why the need for a dig at Eton? "

Because of the mindset it produces, a false sense of superiority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

How can you make assumptions on mine or Boris Johnson's intelligence?"

Easily

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

How can you make assumptions on mine or Boris Johnson's intelligence?

I can only make assumptions based on the quality of argument in your written work. I stand by the call I made. That's not supposed to be an insult, I think he's a very bright chap."

I think he is clever, but in a devious way, he is good at fooling people. Typical politician.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

They can't teach intelligence, only secondhand knowledge.

No school can. So why the need for a dig at Eton?

Because of the mindset it produces, a false sense of superiority."

How do you know? Did you go there? Do you know anyone who did? Or are you basing your judgement on what you've been told in the media...?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

They can't teach intelligence, only secondhand knowledge.

No school can. So why the need for a dig at Eton?

Because of the mindset it produces, a false sense of superiority.

How do you know? Did you go there? Do you know anyone who did? Or are you basing your judgement on what you've been told in the media...? "

Like you, I base my judgement on my own ears, and their quality of argument.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The assumption that all old Etonians have a sense of superiority or are automatically not intelligent/have only got where they are because of their connections is as erroneous as the assumption that all on benefits are scroungers - judging the many by the example of the few. Inverse snobbery at its most unthinking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The assumption that all old Etonians have a sense of superiority or are automatically not intelligent/have only got where they are because of their connections is as erroneous as the assumption that all on benefits are scroungers - judging the many by the example of the few. Inverse snobbery at its most unthinking."

Ok, fair enough, I can't judge everyone who goes to Eton, but the emphasis placed on these Universities and secret societies etc, is ridiculous, I've met some incredibly intelligent people who haven't had an education beyond secondary, intelligence is beyond the highest education, so to say he is intelligent is an insult to the truly intelligent people. He is very clever at pulling the wool over peoples eyes, that is for sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not really the psychology of hatred - just discussing how individuals can channel their stress and anger onto something going on somewhere else. Sometimes it can lead to scapegoating.

However he does miss the issue that the cause of anger may well be austerity, unemployment and a range of stresses caused by recent political developments. I do like Boris as he is very personable - however - he is framing his argument to ignore societal anger and simplify it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not really the psychology of hatred - just discussing how individuals can channel their stress and anger onto something going on somewhere else. Sometimes it can lead to scapegoating.

Tories, Telegraph, Boris. Nuff said.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Having seen at close hand how he is happy to invent political positions and use public funds to effectively buy someone's political betrayal of the electorate who gave that person a strong and overwhelming mandate solely in order to alter the voting majority in his favour i have no doubt that he is 'intelligent'..

and when he trumps elected bodies who don't vote how he wants with his none constitutional authority in order to have it his way again i don't doubt his intelligence..

i just do not trust him one iota..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How on earth is that an insult? Its like saying that if you say Rooney is a good footballer its an insult to Messi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As have I. It's not an insult to anyone else to say that a clever person is intelligent, just because you disagree with the way they use that intelligence. Dismissing all Old Etonians or Oxbridge alumni as just toffs or fools is really naive and evident of swallowing whole the message of certain sections of the media/popular culture. I was guilty of it myself until I went to university and mixed with a wider mix of people from outside the bubble I'd grown up with and gone to school with (northern comprehensive in a rough area) - thinking that private school people didn't deserve it as much as me or weren't as clever as me. Some undoubtedly weren't, others put me to shame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure a deviant mind, is an intelligent mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's no doubting Johnson is very bright, but then he has had the finest education money can buy!

Of course Lenin was very bright too (they both excel at Latin)

Hitler was very clever Goebbels too, the world is littered with extremely bright serial killers..

You don't really need to assume bojos superiority complex... Just ask his biographer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think one may find that deviant characteristics and intelligence are closely correlated - especially if the individual is successful. There are many psychopaths in society who would score high on both scales

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we have different ideas of what intelligence is, nobody betters themselves by going to university, it's all secondhand knowledge, to step away from that and learn to see for yourself, without influence is something far greater than anything taught in any university.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I'm not sure a deviant mind, is an intelligent mind."

Mine is :P

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

indeed I agree - one doesn't have to go to university to be 'intelligent'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not sure a deviant mind, is an intelligent mind.

Mine is :P"

Don't you start, I've got enough problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did you manage to write that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did you manage to write that?"

Please explain?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did you manage to write that?

Please explain?"

How did you learn to read and write?

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Ok, fair enough, I can't judge everyone who goes to Eton, but the emphasis placed on these Universities and secret societies etc, is ridiculous, I've met some incredibly intelligent people who haven't had an education beyond secondary, intelligence is beyond the highest education, so to say he is intelligent is an insult to the truly intelligent people. He is very clever at pulling the wool over peoples eyes, that is for sure."

You seem to be saying "The trouble with these institutions is that they enable Tories to fool sufficient numbers of the electorate to vote for them and not vote 'the right way'.

Leaving aside how insulting that is to people who vote, surely you must at least see the irony of that argument having read the article?

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did you manage to write that?

Please explain?

How did you learn to read and write?"

Primary and secondary school, why?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I haven't followed the debate closely but Alexander Johnson (to give 'Boris' his real name) is a prize-winning arse.

imo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You seem to be saying "The trouble with these institutions is that they enable Tories to fool sufficient numbers of the electorate to vote for them and not vote 'the right way'.

Leaving aside how insulting that is to people who vote, surely you must at least see the irony of that argument having read the article?

Mr ddc"

I base my findings on my own enquiries, not articles. Aren't all politicians trying to sway the electorate to vote in their favour, regardless of their education background?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did you manage to write that?

Please explain?

How did you learn to read and write?

Primary and secondary school, why?"

Oh, second hand knowledge then

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

I've no doubt about BoJos intelligence, he's a clever bloke and connects with the public in a unique way different to any other politician I think. He also brings a bit of fun into politics which you can't say about many others.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Oh but he's a legend! Look at his hair! Wiff-waff's coming home!"

No.

He's a carefully crafted piece of political machinery with a mind like a steel trap.

I've met him a couple of times and do not trust him in the slightest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did you manage to write that?

Please explain?

How did you learn to read and write?

Primary and secondary school, why?

Oh, second hand knowledge then"

Yes, of course it's secondhand knowledge, what is your point exactly?

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats a bit of an extreme and most likely incorrect view

im pretty sure plenty people go to university and absorb 'second hand knowledge' as you say and a variety of opinion use it to form their own views and do just what you said .., see things for themself!

And what about all the science departments up and down the country carrying out research ... Again all just second hand?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Boris for PM?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did you manage to write that?

Please explain?

How did you learn to read and write?

Primary and secondary school, why?

Oh, second hand knowledge then

Yes, of course it's secondhand knowledge, what is your point exactly?"

So you didn't step away and learn for yourself without influence did you? And I am sure you are grateful for it. What is wrong with second hand knowledge at university?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Boris for PM?

He was actually born in the US (bloody immigrants comin' over 'ere, shagging our women, taking our jobs... mutter mutter)...

So he could become UK PM and then have a shot at the US presidency.

In some awful parallel universe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats a bit of an extreme and most likely incorrect view

And what about all the science departments up and down the country carrying out research ... Again all just second hand? "

There isn't anything wrong with secondhand knowledge, as somebody pointed out earlier, we have all absorbed it to give us certain skills. But some things have to be see by yourself, they can't teach everything in Schools, Colleges and Universities, for someone to say Boris is intelligent, is contradictory to his actions. Educated, yes, but not intelligent.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Boris for PM?

He was actually born in the US (bloody immigrants comin' over 'ere, shagging our women, taking our jobs... mutter mutter)...

So he could become UK PM and then have a shot at the US presidency.

In some awful parallel universe.

He already has more brand recognition in the US than Cameron.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Boris for PM?

He was actually born in the US (bloody immigrants comin' over 'ere, shagging our women, taking our jobs... mutter mutter)...

So he could become UK PM and then have a shot at the US presidency.

In some awful parallel universe.

why is the world so complicated?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I strongly dislike Boris Johnson and, although he is devious, manipulative, and self-promoting, do think that he is particularly intelligent. However I don't agree with your appraisal of universities. Many people have benefited from university educations and well taught courses will instruct in how to undertake independent research, rather than parroting answers.

You are absolutely right that intelligence can't be taught and the other person who posted that Johnson was more intelligent than you or her should not have judged your intelligence in that way even if she was willing to belittle herself by unfavourably comparing herself to such an odious man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did you manage to write that?

Please explain?

How did you learn to read and write?

Primary and secondary school, why?

Oh, second hand knowledge then

Yes, of course it's secondhand knowledge, what is your point exactly?

So you didn't step away and learn for yourself without influence did you? And I am sure you are grateful for it. What is wrong with second hand knowledge at university?"

Stepping away, and enquiring with your own mind , is sadly neglected in society, away from influences and opinions. A teacher can point you in the direction, but you have to see it for yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bettered myself by going to university. I met more people, lived in more places, stepped away from what previously influenced me, learned to critically examine what I read or was told, learned to make my own mind up and defend my view against others. We do have differing views of what intelligence is, and I stand by mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Oh but he's a legend! Look at his hair! Wiff-waff's coming home!"

No.

He's a carefully crafted piece of political machinery with a mind like a steel trap.

I've met him a couple of times and do not trust him in the slightest. "

I don't trust him either. None of this means he's not intelligent, I think he is very cunning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes - second hand knowledge is how I learned to use an iron and a hairdryer. My own unique problem solving skills developed my ability to use my hairdryer to remove the creases from my clothes

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Thats a bit of an extreme and most likely incorrect view

And what about all the science departments up and down the country carrying out research ... Again all just second hand?

I don't have any love for BoJo but he is intelligent. It's not just the fact that he holds an awful lot of information in his big brain, nor that he seeks out more information to cram into the big brain but the fact that he uses what he knows to form ideas, plans and how he can use those who have other information or ways of doing things. He knows 'who' to be and 'when' to be it.

I describe him as clever and intelligent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been to Uni, and it did benefit me, but too much importance is put upon them, like if you have a degree, you are a better person. You may have more skills etc, but to really blossom as a human being takes a lot more than knowledge taught to you in an establishment. Would you agree?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and yes - cunning he is - if politicians aren't driven by power when they enter politics - they sure are by the time they leave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I did not belittle myself or anyone else. I personally don't trust or like Boris Johnson but I think he's extremely intelligent, and intelligence was the comparison I was making.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Do you stand by your view on intelligence in the face of the truth, or would your view change if you could see the facts? I'm in no way suggesting I am right, because if somebody convinces me beyond doubt, that my view is incorrect, I would change it in an instant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whats that got to do with it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes - second hand knowledge is how I learned to use an iron and a hairdryer. My own unique problem solving skills developed my ability to use my hairdryer to remove the creases from my clothes"

It's practical, I'm speaking about something more, Intelligence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whats that got to do with it?"

Sorry, don't understand the question?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher..."

Usain bolt would be a good natural athlete without the training, but on his own I doubt he would have become world champion at 100 and 200m. The top level training he has had has helped to develop his skills and enhance his natural ability to help him reach the heights he has. It's the same with intelligence learning more (call it second hand knowledge if you like) will increase your intelligence and will increase your IQ.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread is quite a good one for hatred lol.

Seems certain people can't even see a name without foaming st the mouth in rage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes - second hand knowledge is how I learned to use an iron and a hairdryer. My own unique problem solving skills developed my ability to use my hairdryer to remove the creases from my clothes

It's practical, I'm speaking about something more, Intelligence."

When are you going to display some?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely. I know blithering idiots who went to university and who emerged thinking themselves fully formed when in reality they were little more than hatchling chicks...I think knowledge and broad experience are the most useful combination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

But that isn't that still knowledge, not intelligence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes - second hand knowledge is how I learned to use an iron and a hairdryer. My own unique problem solving skills developed my ability to use my hairdryer to remove the creases from my clothes

It's practical, I'm speaking about something more, Intelligence.

When are you going to display some?

Let's not resort to insults, this is a good discussion.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"This thread is quite a good one for hatred lol.

Seems certain people can't even see a name without foaming st the mouth in rage"

He is a penis tho'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

How is it bettering my surroundings? I'm not suggesting I moved somewhere "better" or mixed with "better" people. I did better myself. Reading more books, talking to more people, listening to more theories, travelling to more places, seeing more things, just making my world and my world view bigger. In my case that took place at university, in someone else's case that might have taken place elsewhere.

My view can and does change, if I am presented with a convincing argument. I'm not currently presented with a convincing argument.

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over a year ago

Would you say, knowledge is the recording of experience?

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over a year ago

"Yes - second hand knowledge is how I learned to use an iron and a hairdryer. My own unique problem solving skills developed my ability to use my hairdryer to remove the creases from my clothes

It's practical, I'm speaking about something more, Intelligence."

So what exactly do you class as intelligence?

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over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself? "

You put this more succinctly than me

this is exactly what I mean.

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over a year ago

Eugh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Boris for PM?

He was actually born in the US (bloody immigrants comin' over 'ere, shagging our women, taking our jobs... mutter mutter)...

So he could become UK PM and then have a shot at the US presidency.

In some awful parallel universe.

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No I'm pretty sure he gave up his us citizenship this year after having a battle with the irs over tax's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself? "

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?

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over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?"

Not if by expanding your mind you have learned the ability to think and form opinions for yourself

For example you read 2 conflicting theories ... You have gained knowledge from each ... But weighing them up against each other and choosing which you agree with ... Thats not knowledge its free thinking

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over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?"
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No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

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over a year ago

But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

My view can and does change, if I am presented with a convincing argument. I'm not currently presented with a convincing argument. "

I'm not trying to put a convincing argument to change your view, I'm trying to get us to discuss as a group the difference between Knowledge and intelligence. This has moved away from Boris, but threads do that at times. When reading the article, I could only see manipulation from him, he seems to be using it to put down opposition, I could see no intelligence whatsoever.

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over a year ago

"Yes - second hand knowledge is how I learned to use an iron and a hairdryer. My own unique problem solving skills developed my ability to use my hairdryer to remove the creases from my clothes

It's practical, I'm speaking about something more, Intelligence.

So what exactly do you class as intelligence? "

Seeing with clarity and silence of mind, then acting upon that.

What would you say intelligence is?

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over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?

Not if by expanding your mind you have learned the ability to think and form opinions for yourself

But why would you choose one you agree with?

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over a year ago

Would you say, knowledge is the recording of experience?"

I think knowledge is information and an understanding of the context of that information. Some knowledge is derived from direct personal experience and some is the sum of collective observation, critical analysis, scientific enquiry, or historical description and record.

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over a year ago

the ability to regurgitate facts and figures does not denote intelligence. its more how you apply it.

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over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge"

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc.

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over a year ago

"I think knowledge is information and an understanding of the context of that information. Some knowledge is derived from direct personal experience and some is the sum of collective observation, critical analysis, scientific enquiry, or historical description and record."

Not just a pretty face. Here, have a thumbs up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc."
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Yes intelligence

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

But that isn't that still knowledge, not intelligence?"

No.

Definition of INTELLIGENCE. 1. a : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations b : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria.

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over a year ago

Would you say, knowledge is the recording of experience?

So, what is intelligence?

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over a year ago

Not if by expanding your mind you have learned the ability to think and form opinions for yourself

But why would you choose one you agree with?"

Because i would use my intelligence to make an educated decision

Are you being obtuse on purpose to keep the thread going

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence"

But what is intelligence, can it be described?

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over a year ago

"Yes - second hand knowledge is how I learned to use an iron and a hairdryer. My own unique problem solving skills developed my ability to use my hairdryer to remove the creases from my clothes

It's practical, I'm speaking about something more, Intelligence.

So what exactly do you class as intelligence?

Seeing with clarity and silence of mind, then acting upon that.

What would you say intelligence is?"

So what do you do with yours?

It doesn't really matter what it is its how you use it

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over a year ago

"the ability to regurgitate facts and figures does not denote intelligence. its more how you apply it. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence

But what is intelligence, can it be described?"
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Yes it's problem solving, and he solved problems by using acquired knowledge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

But that isn't that still knowledge, not intelligence?

No.

But that description comes from secondhand knowledge, is there something more, and is it intelligence in its original form?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

But that isn't that still knowledge, not intelligence?

No.

Be careful ... Definitions are regurgitated second hand knowledge

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Definition of INTELLIGENCE. 1. a : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations b : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria.

And judging by that definition, BoJo is more intelligent than I am - I couldn't persuade thousands of people to vote for me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And judging by that definition, BoJo is more intelligent than I am - I couldn't persuade thousands of people to vote for me!

Oh I don't know, you'd get my vote. The campaign posters would be amazing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not if by expanding your mind you have learned the ability to think and form opinions for yourself

But why would you choose one you agree with?

Because i would use my intelligence to make an educated decision

Are you being obtuse on purpose to keep the thread going

But would you choose the one that you see is factual beyond doubt.

Please don't think that, I am very serious and respectful in this enquiry.

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over a year ago

And judging by that definition, BoJo is more intelligent than I am - I couldn't persuade thousands of people to vote for me!

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Yeah but Mrs ddc could

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over a year ago

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

But that isn't that still knowledge, not intelligence?

No.

But that description comes from secondhand knowledge, is there something more, and is it intelligence in its original form?"

Every word you have typed this evening is second hand knowledge ... But you have used your intelligence to put them together into context and create infuriating responses

Like someone said its the ability to use and apply knowledge appropriately to a situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would you say, knowledge is the recording of experience?

So, what is intelligence?"

In my opinion intelligence is the capacity to digest and analyse information and gain insights as a result. Remembering 20 specific facts is retaining knowledge, but observing the relevant connections between those facts to gain a further understanding requires intelligence.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

But that isn't that still knowledge, not intelligence?

No.

But that description comes from secondhand knowledge, is there something more, and is it intelligence in its original form?"

To have a sensible debate, we have to use accepted definitions, otherwise we end up trying to argue black is white.

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over a year ago

"Yes - second hand knowledge is how I learned to use an iron and a hairdryer. My own unique problem solving skills developed my ability to use my hairdryer to remove the creases from my clothes

It's practical, I'm speaking about something more, Intelligence.

So what exactly do you class as intelligence?

Seeing with clarity and silence of mind, then acting upon that.

What would you say intelligence is?

So what do you do with yours?

It doesn't really matter what it is its how you use it"

Enquire into like.

But can we use something we don't understand?

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over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence

But what is intelligence, can it be described?.

Yes it's problem solving, and he solved problems by using acquired knowledge"

Ok, stepping away from the words, knowledge and intelligence, is there something else, seeing, where we see and act without memory, which is stored knowledge?

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over a year ago

Poor OP .. Their thread hasn't half been hijacked this evening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence

But what is intelligence, can it be described?.

Yes it's problem solving, and he solved problems by using acquired knowledge

Ok, stepping away from the words, knowledge and intelligence, is there something else, seeing, where we see and act without memory, which is stored knowledge?"
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Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

But that isn't that still knowledge, not intelligence?

No.

can't really argue with the dictionary definition of intelligence, though I suspect some on this thread will still say it's wrong.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

But can we use something we don't understand?"

Yes.

I understand neither gravity nor Mrs ddc, but I'd be lost without them both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

But that isn't that still knowledge, not intelligence?

No.

But that description comes from secondhand knowledge, is there something more, and is it intelligence in its original form?

Every word you have typed this evening is second hand knowledge ... But you have used your intelligence to put them together into context and create infuriating responses

Like someone said its the ability to use and apply knowledge appropriately to a situation "

I agree the words and concepts behind them are secondhand knowledge, I'm sorry if it infuriates you, it certainly isn't my intention.

I'm trying to see something beyond words, concepts and knowledge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence

But what is intelligence, can it be described?.

Yes it's problem solving, and he solved problems by using acquired knowledge

Ok, stepping away from the words, knowledge and intelligence, is there something else, seeing, where we see and act without memory, which is stored knowledge?"

Do you mean instinct? Reflex actions?

Im not sure anymore if you are genuinely asking these questions because you dont know or just waiting for someone to come up with your opinion of the correct answer?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence

But what is intelligence, can it be described?"

Look in the dictionary, lol, although someone already put the dictionary definition of intelligence on this thread for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

But that isn't that still knowledge, not intelligence?

No.

But that description comes from secondhand knowledge, is there something more, and is it intelligence in its original form?

To have a sensible debate, we have to use accepted definitions, otherwise we end up trying to argue black is white.

Obviously, but can we use them to debate something beyond words and knowledge?

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over a year ago

Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck"

Depending on who 'you' is that statement could be very debatable

Ive come across a few that could do with lessons

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I think this thread has become bogged down in an argument of how to define intelligence but based on an assumption that it is one thing or that there is one type of intelligence.

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over a year ago

"Poor OP .. Their thread hasn't half been hijacked this evening "

I know, apologies OP. This happens quite a lot though, it's inevitable when people start discussing issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence

But what is intelligence, can it be described?.

Yes it's problem solving, and he solved problems by using acquired knowledge

Ok, stepping away from the words, knowledge and intelligence, is there something else, seeing, where we see and act without memory, which is stored knowledge?.

Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck"

Is that not learned by watching others, or are we 100% sure it is genetic?

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over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence

But what is intelligence, can it be described?.

Yes it's problem solving, and he solved problems by using acquired knowledge

Ok, stepping away from the words, knowledge and intelligence, is there something else, seeing, where we see and act without memory, which is stored knowledge?.

Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck"

Dunno about that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck

Depending on who 'you' is that statement could be very debatable

Ive come across a few that could do with lessons

"
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Fucking is genetically implanted, you don't need to be taught it.

Intelligence is figuring out how to do it better by past experiences and past on knowledge

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

They can't teach intelligence, only secondhand knowledge.

No school can. So why the need for a dig at Eton?

Because of the mindset it produces, a false sense of superiority."

Who ever said that Eton produces a false sense of superiority?. You will find this in all walks of life . Eton will also produce lots of well balanced and educated people who will go on to achieve great things in life . What is wrong with that ?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

But that isn't that still knowledge, not intelligence?

No.

can't really argue with the dictionary definition of intelligence, though I suspect some on this thread will still say it's wrong. "

Is there something beyond those words, intelligence, like a lot of words, has moved from it word origins, so the thing I'm speaking of is not what is described in the dictionary. Is there something beyond those words?

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over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence

But what is intelligence, can it be described?.

Yes it's problem solving, and he solved problems by using acquired knowledge

Ok, stepping away from the words, knowledge and intelligence, is there something else, seeing, where we see and act without memory, which is stored knowledge?.

Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck

Is that not learned by watching others, or are we 100% sure it is genetic?"

Watching others?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck

Depending on who 'you' is that statement could be very debatable

Ive come across a few that could do with lessons

Fucking is genetically implanted, you don't need to be taught it.

Intelligence is figuring out how to do it better by past experiences and past on knowledge"

I was being tongue in cheek

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence

But what is intelligence, can it be described?.

Yes it's problem solving, and he solved problems by using acquired knowledge

Ok, stepping away from the words, knowledge and intelligence, is there something else, seeing, where we see and act without memory, which is stored knowledge?.

Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck

Is that not learned by watching others, or are we 100% sure it is genetic?"
.

Think about it really hard!

If humans needed to be taught it, we wouldn't be having this conversation tonight.... Which in reality might not be entirely bad

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over a year ago

Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck

Depending on who 'you' is that statement could be very debatable

Ive come across a few that could do with lessons

Fucking is genetically implanted, you don't need to be taught it.

Intelligence is figuring out how to do it better by past experiences and past on knowledge

I was being tongue in cheek "
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Tongue and cheek works for me

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck

Depending on who 'you' is that statement could be very debatable

Ive come across a few that could do with lessons

Fucking is genetically implanted, you don't need to be taught it.

Intelligence is figuring out how to do it better by past experiences and past on knowledge"

Intelligent fucking is beyond the genetic imperative to thrust seed into a warm, moist receptacle though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not quite right either.

If you imagine your brain as a muscle, a good teacher can help you develop it, use it, expand it and hone it. It is not simply about learning facts by rote.

We do not stand on the shoulders of giants simply because we are lazy, it is to enable us to reach ever higher...

But that isn't that still knowledge, not intelligence?

No.

can't really argue with the dictionary definition of intelligence, though I suspect some on this thread will still say it's wrong.

Im pretty sure this is how they teach you at uni ... They just pay someone to stand at the front of class and keep repeating but look outside the box everytime someone produces an answer

By this point im so far out of so many boxes i could use them to move house

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck

Depending on who 'you' is that statement could be very debatable

Ive come across a few that could do with lessons

Fucking is genetically implanted, you don't need to be taught it.

Intelligence is figuring out how to do it better by past experiences and past on knowledge

Intelligent fucking is beyond the genetic imperative to thrust seed into a warm, moist receptacle though.

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Mmmmm moist

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

How can you make assumptions on mine or Boris Johnson's intelligence?"

The same way you do. On nothing at all, just a gut feeling and a preconceived impression!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

They can't teach intelligence, only secondhand knowledge.

No school can. So why the need for a dig at Eton?

Because of the mindset it produces, a false sense of superiority.

It probably boils down to class envy from certain sections of society who say it's wrong to go to Eton.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

They can't teach intelligence, only secondhand knowledge.

No school can. So why the need for a dig at Eton?

Because of the mindset it produces, a false sense of superiority.

It probably boils down to class envy from certain sections of society who say it's wrong to go to Eton. "
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They don't say it's wrong

Nobody thinks Eton's a shit school, they think it's fucking expensive and outside there reach!

It's certainly not exclusive, if you've got 40k your in

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Anyway back to the OP. Who saw Bojo in soccer aid when he rugby tackled a former pro German footballer.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Anyway back to the OP. Who saw Bojo in soccer aid when he rugby tackled a former pro German footballer.

Who cares?

The man's a penis

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

They can't teach intelligence, only secondhand knowledge.

No school can. So why the need for a dig at Eton?

Because of the mindset it produces, a false sense of superiority.

How do you know? Did you go there? Do you know anyone who did? Or are you basing your judgement on what you've been told in the media...?

Like you, I base my judgement on my own ears, and their quality of argument."

Are you sure you're basing it more on the direction of the argument rather than the quality. That it's not more a case of those that put a good argument forward that you agree with you consider clever, whereas those that put the counter argument forward are wrong and so must be less and intelligent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyway back to the OP. Who saw Bojo in soccer aid when he rugby tackled a former pro German footballer.

Pisser

brilliant

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Anyway back to the OP. Who saw Bojo in soccer aid when he rugby tackled a former pro German footballer.

Who cares?

The man's a penis"

We heard you the first time.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Anyway back to the OP. Who saw Bojo in soccer aid when he rugby tackled a former pro German footballer.

Pisser

brilliant

He's still a penis

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Anyway back to the OP. Who saw Bojo in soccer aid when he rugby tackled a former pro German footballer.

Who cares?

The man's a penis

We heard you the first time.

Penis penis penis penis penis

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Anyway back to the OP. Who saw Bojo in soccer aid when he rugby tackled a former pro German footballer.

Who cares?

The man's a penis

We heard you the first time.

Penis penis penis penis penis"

Penis penis penis penis penis

*COBorisJohnson'sAPenisFFS*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyway back to the OP. Who saw Bojo in soccer aid when he rugby tackled a former pro German footballer.

Who cares?

The man's a penis

We heard you the first time.

Penis penis penis penis penis"

Mmmmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting, but I found it a little simplistic.

That's Eton for you.

No, it's the Telegraph for you.

Boris is a far more intelligent man than you or I, regardless of anyone's view on his education.

They can't teach intelligence, only secondhand knowledge.

No school can. So why the need for a dig at Eton?

Because of the mindset it produces, a false sense of superiority.

It probably boils down to class envy from certain sections of society who say it's wrong to go to Eton. "

I'm not saying it's wrong, just that they put emphasis on it, as if they know it all, this doesn't mean everyone, just a certain group.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Anyway back to the OP. Who saw Bojo in soccer aid when he rugby tackled a former pro German footballer.

Who cares?

The man's a penis

We heard you the first time.

Penis penis penis penis penis

Mmmmm

Something in yr throat there, luv?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyway back to the OP. Who saw Bojo in soccer aid when he rugby tackled a former pro German footballer.

Who cares?

The man's a penis

We heard you the first time.

Penis penis penis penis penis

Mmmmm

Something in yr throat there, luv?

I think its a penis

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Intelligent fucking is beyond the genetic imperative to thrust seed into a warm, moist receptacle though.

I see we got back to BoJo afterall

The trouble with intelligent politicians is that they have a tremendous capacity for machiavellian manipulation, so you end up having to vote for the person you think they are. I don't know enough about London to know if, overall, he has been a positive influence, but certainly some of the scenes from the conference, egged on by the likes of Tom "if you can't persuade people to vote for you, encourage them to start a riot instead and call the other guy a nonce" Watson, haven't seemed very intelligent...

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Intelligent fucking is beyond the genetic imperative to thrust seed into a warm, moist receptacle though.

I see we got back to BoJo afterall

Tom Watson, now he is most definitely a penis.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Thats a bit of an extreme and most likely incorrect view

And what about all the science departments up and down the country carrying out research ... Again all just second hand?

Which actions is it that you consider to be not the actions of an intelligent man?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Penis

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Intelligent fucking is beyond the genetic imperative to thrust seed into a warm, moist receptacle though.

I see we got back to BoJo afterall

BoJo won the first Mayoral election on the basis of young people voting for the first time and choosing him because they found him funny on the telly. It was close.

The second time was because London hadn't fallen apart, he didn't have that much competition and he built up an even stronger base in the Outer London Boroughs (generally leafier and more Tory). Funds had been directed to Outer London. The run up to the Olympics helped too.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Penis"

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - should the de Pfeffel be de Penis, DJ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Intelligent fucking is beyond the genetic imperative to thrust seed into a warm, moist receptacle though.

I see we got back to BoJo afterall

Enjoyed the line BoJo came out with about the protesters having vested interests and interesting vests

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Intelligent fucking is beyond the genetic imperative to thrust seed into a warm, moist receptacle though.

I see we got back to BoJo afterall

Enjoyed the line BoJo came out with about the protesters having vested interests and interesting vests"

A quick wit can also be seen as a sign of intelligence.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Intelligent fucking is beyond the genetic imperative to thrust seed into a warm, moist receptacle though.

I see we got back to BoJo afterall

Enjoyed the line BoJo came out with about the protesters having vested interests and interesting vests"

His line about the protestors needing to improve their aim throwing projectiles was also a good one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wit is intelligent

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Penis

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - should the de Pfeffel be de Penis, DJ?

How delightful!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats a bit of an extreme and most likely incorrect view

And what about all the science departments up and down the country carrying out research ... Again all just second hand?

Which actions is it that you consider to be not the actions of an intelligent man?"
.

The actions of taping his conversations about friends beating up journalists and Johnson supplying his details through his job at the paper and then allowing that tape to get out.... Well that's not the brightest thing to do.... Still just proves he's human after all

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"wit is intelligent"

But it's also very close to 'twit'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Intelligent fucking is beyond the genetic imperative to thrust seed into a warm, moist receptacle though.

I see we got back to BoJo afterall

Enjoyed the line BoJo came out with about the protesters having vested interests and interesting vests

A quick wit can also be seen as a sign of intelligence.

I agree and think that maybe the most intelligent among us are the ones who are always laughing. Thats the way to enjoy life

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

The Penis Song - Monty Python

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGRPFUYUUdQ

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Penis

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - should the de Pfeffel be de Penis, DJ?

Johnson covers the penis bit already, especially with his American connection

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Penis

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - should the de Pfeffel be de Penis, DJ?

Johnson covers the penis bit already, especially with his American connection "

Oooh, how trans-Atlantic, bilingual of you.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Is this like the end of Me And My Spoon?

"Next Week: Boris Johnson - Me And My Johnson"

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Penis

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - should the de Pfeffel be de Penis, DJ?

Johnson covers the penis bit already, especially with his American connection

Oooh, how trans-Atlantic, bilingual of you.

Is bilingual the same as orally-bi?

Well, he did go to public school...

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Is this like the end of Me And My Spoon?

"Next Week: Boris Johnson - Me And My Johnson""

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Penis

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - should the de Pfeffel be de Penis, DJ?

Johnson covers the penis bit already, especially with his American connection

Oooh, how trans-Atlantic, bilingual of you.

Is bilingual the same as orally-bi?

Well, he did go to public school...

My experience of him is that he is quite a cunning linguist.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence

But what is intelligence, can it be described?.

Yes it's problem solving, and he solved problems by using acquired knowledge

Ok, stepping away from the words, knowledge and intelligence, is there something else, seeing, where we see and act without memory, which is stored knowledge?.

Yes that's genetics

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck"

But it's definitely a great benefit if you have a sexy blonde giving you a hand when you're first starting out.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Nobody needs to teach you how to fuck

But it's definitely a great benefit if you have a sexy blonde giving you a hand when you're first starting out.

BoJo is blonde but... nah!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

" But that isn't bettering the self, it's bettering your surroundings.

Surely its common sense that by widening your surroundings And influences and learning to challenge what you see you expand your mind and in turn have bettered yourself?

But by expanding the mind, are you not just accumulating knowledge again, is intelligence something more than accumulation of knowledge?.

No it's both

Eisenstein couldn't have worked out theories for the universe if he hadn't acquired knowledge

Acquiring knowledge was important to Einstein, but was there something else? not everything he wrote came from other peoples books etc..

Yes intelligence

But what is intelligence, can it be described?.

Yes it's problem solving, and he solved problems by using acquired knowledge

Ok, stepping away from the words, knowledge and intelligence, is there something else, seeing, where we see and act without memory, which is stored knowledge?

Do you mean instinct? Reflex actions?

Im not sure anymore if you are genuinely asking these questions because you dont know or just waiting for someone to come up with your opinion of the correct answer? "

I think, having moved away from the 'Boris is a fool' argument, he's trying to develop what could be a quite interesting discussion on the nature of knowledge and intelligence. Problem is I'm too tired to really get into that sort of discussion at 00:30 on a Tuesday morning.

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