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"I feel ill when I eat too much, I don't think I could hold a baby in me. "
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I think medical stuff is beyond me but I love that they can do this for people who have suffered and they can experience that joy. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life " Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life " Babies born from a transplanted womb have to be delivered by caesarian section anyway I understand and I suppose the necessary hormones could be given to a man (no idea what that would do to him long term) so yes, I reckon it could happen. I'd love to see it become possible for transgender people. I have absolutely no medical knowledge mind you. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Babies born from a transplanted womb have to be delivered by caesarian section anyway I understand and I suppose the necessary hormones could be given to a man (no idea what that would do to him long term) so yes, I reckon it could happen. I'd love to see it become possible for transgender people. I have absolutely no medical knowledge mind you." Oops, didn't read this before posting. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Babies born from a transplanted womb have to be delivered by caesarian section anyway I understand and I suppose the necessary hormones could be given to a man (no idea what that would do to him long term) so yes, I reckon it could happen. I'd love to see it become possible for transgender people. I have absolutely no medical knowledge mind you. Oops, didn't read this before posting." That's because we were posting at the same time  | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to " Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc " I can't see anyone spending money trying to get a man to carry a baby. It will never happen because we will never run out of women | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc " The hormones would probably alter his metabolism significantly, and I don't believe there is too much anatomical difference circulatory wise between men and women. And a c-section would definitely be necessary for most men. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Babies born from a transplanted womb have to be delivered by caesarian section anyway I understand and I suppose the necessary hormones could be given to a man (no idea what that would do to him long term) so yes, I reckon it could happen. I'd love to see it become possible for transgender people. I have absolutely no medical knowledge mind you." Yes then a hysterectomy is performed when/if baby is 6 months old unless a 2nd child is planned | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc I can't see anyone spending money trying to get a man to carry a baby. It will never happen because we will never run out of women " People will try to see if we can. After all we never run out of people so why bother trying to perform a head transplant like we are? | |||
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"I have known transgender women who would of loved this to be an option xxx Looks good for the future for transgender women xxx" Would anyone invest in money into the research? It would be like a miracle if it were possible but would it be too expensive and dangerous to trial? | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc I can't see anyone spending money trying to get a man to carry a baby. It will never happen because we will never run out of women People will try to see if we can. After all we never run out of people so why bother trying to perform a head transplant like we are? " Is someone really trying to do that? | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc " Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon  but I really feel in this case it's needed | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc I can't see anyone spending money trying to get a man to carry a baby. It will never happen because we will never run out of women " People will just to say it can be done | |||
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"I have known transgender women who would of loved this to be an option xxx Looks good for the future for transgender women xxx Would anyone invest in money into the research? It would be like a miracle if it were possible but would it be too expensive and dangerous to trial? " At one point gender reassignment was dangerous to trial but people were willing. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed "So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course" Treating cancer? Not very natural let them die. C section births? Nah nature clearly wants the child dead. Saving a child from infection? No let the bacteria do their thing. Our of curiosity where is the line ? | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc I can't see anyone spending money trying to get a man to carry a baby. It will never happen because we will never run out of women People will try to see if we can. After all we never run out of people so why bother trying to perform a head transplant like we are? Is someone really trying to do that? " Yeah I think it's planned for next year. We've been trying since the 60s though. | |||
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"I have known transgender women who would of loved this to be an option xxx Looks good for the future for transgender women xxx Would anyone invest in money into the research? It would be like a miracle if it were possible but would it be too expensive and dangerous to trial? " Because there are people who would be willing to pay. After all we researched and developed a way of removing the skins an tissue from the back of a woman's head to then individually divide out the hair roots to implant them back into the woman's eyebrows after she has destroyed them via over plucking. There's money in some weird avenues of research | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?"If I thought I could reply to that and have an adult discussion about it I would, but your antibiotic and condom comment clearly shows you'd just rip to bits any opinion I have so best not bother  | |||
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"I have known transgender women who would of loved this to be an option xxx Looks good for the future for transgender women xxx Would anyone invest in money into the research? It would be like a miracle if it were possible but would it be too expensive and dangerous to trial? Because there are people who would be willing to pay. After all we researched and developed a way of removing the skins an tissue from the back of a woman's head to then individually divide out the hair roots to implant them back into the woman's eyebrows after she has destroyed them via over plucking. There's money in some weird avenues of research " Would it only be available for rich people I wonder. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc I can't see anyone spending money trying to get a man to carry a baby. It will never happen because we will never run out of women People will try to see if we can. After all we never run out of people so why bother trying to perform a head transplant like we are? Is someone really trying to do that? Yeah I think it's planned for next year. We've been trying since the 60s though. " Which animal will they be experimenting on or have they already done that? I don't know if I want to know | |||
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"A man's skeleton isn't meant for carrying a baby. We have wide hips especially for carrying babies. " The voice of reason !  | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc I can't see anyone spending money trying to get a man to carry a baby. It will never happen because we will never run out of women People will try to see if we can. After all we never run out of people so why bother trying to perform a head transplant like we are? Is someone really trying to do that? Yeah I think it's planned for next year. We've been trying since the 60s though. Which animal will they be experimenting on or have they already done that? I don't know if I want to know " Japan transplanted a dogs head onto another dog, they didn't remove the other head though so it was walking round with two heads  | |||
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"I saw the womb transplant birth news a few months ago; I think there was even a thread on here. Now that they are discussing it for the NHS I suppose we would have to look at it for everyone who is unable to have a child and wants one. There was a Sky Arts play with Stephen Mangan about this. " How complicated was the surgery? I had my womb removed and I was in agony for weeks,although I had very large fibroids on mine. Is there a chance of rejection like there is with other organs? | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc I can't see anyone spending money trying to get a man to carry a baby. It will never happen because we will never run out of women People will try to see if we can. After all we never run out of people so why bother trying to perform a head transplant like we are? Is someone really trying to do that? Yeah I think it's planned for next year. We've been trying since the 60s though. Which animal will they be experimenting on or have they already done that? I don't know if I want to know Japan transplanted a dogs head onto another dog, they didn't remove the other head though so it was walking round with two heads "And they both worked? | |||
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"I saw the womb transplant birth news a few months ago; I think there was even a thread on here. Now that they are discussing it for the NHS I suppose we would have to look at it for everyone who is unable to have a child and wants one. There was a Sky Arts play with Stephen Mangan about this. How complicated was the surgery? I had my womb removed and I was in agony for weeks,although I had very large fibroids on mine. Is there a chance of rejection like there is with other organs? " Yes I think you have to take anti rejection drugs for a year. I can't remember the detail so not sure if it's one year before pregnancy. As with all these things it'll become more refined and sophisticated as it goes along | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc I can't see anyone spending money trying to get a man to carry a baby. It will never happen because we will never run out of women People will try to see if we can. After all we never run out of people so why bother trying to perform a head transplant like we are? Is someone really trying to do that? Yeah I think it's planned for next year. We've been trying since the 60s though. Which animal will they be experimenting on or have they already done that? I don't know if I want to know " Human. | |||
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"I saw the womb transplant birth news a few months ago; I think there was even a thread on here. Now that they are discussing it for the NHS I suppose we would have to look at it for everyone who is unable to have a child and wants one. There was a Sky Arts play with Stephen Mangan about this. How complicated was the surgery? I had my womb removed and I was in agony for weeks,although I had very large fibroids on mine. Is there a chance of rejection like there is with other organs? " From what I have skim read, the rejection rate would be about the same as any other organ. I had large fibroids and an hysterectomy too. It was a really long operation to remove it so I can only imagine it's double that to implant one. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc I can't see anyone spending money trying to get a man to carry a baby. It will never happen because we will never run out of women People will try to see if we can. After all we never run out of people so why bother trying to perform a head transplant like we are? Is someone really trying to do that? Yeah I think it's planned for next year. We've been trying since the 60s though. Which animal will they be experimenting on or have they already done that? I don't know if I want to know Japan transplanted a dogs head onto another dog, they didn't remove the other head though so it was walking round with two heads
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"I saw the womb transplant birth news a few months ago; I think there was even a thread on here. Now that they are discussing it for the NHS I suppose we would have to look at it for everyone who is unable to have a child and wants one. There was a Sky Arts play with Stephen Mangan about this. How complicated was the surgery? I had my womb removed and I was in agony for weeks,although I had very large fibroids on mine. Is there a chance of rejection like there is with other organs? Yes I think you have to take anti rejection drugs for a year. I can't remember the detail so not sure if it's one year before pregnancy. As with all these things it'll become more refined and sophisticated as it goes along" The Swedish case raised an intestine issue though, the main problems for women with age is the ovaries not the womb so the woman used her mother's (the child's grandmother) that should reduce the level of rejection a lot. And I suppose many mothers who aren't planning on anymore kids would donate to their daughters. | |||
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"I saw the womb transplant birth news a few months ago; I think there was even a thread on here. Now that they are discussing it for the NHS I suppose we would have to look at it for everyone who is unable to have a child and wants one. There was a Sky Arts play with Stephen Mangan about this. How complicated was the surgery? I had my womb removed and I was in agony for weeks,although I had very large fibroids on mine. Is there a chance of rejection like there is with other organs? Yes I think you have to take anti rejection drugs for a year. I can't remember the detail so not sure if it's one year before pregnancy. As with all these things it'll become more refined and sophisticated as it goes along" That would be fantastic for transgender women but I can't see many men asking if they can carry a baby for 9 months. No beer,soft cheese,prawns etc and heartburn! | |||
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"I saw the womb transplant birth news a few months ago; I think there was even a thread on here. Now that they are discussing it for the NHS I suppose we would have to look at it for everyone who is unable to have a child and wants one. There was a Sky Arts play with Stephen Mangan about this. How complicated was the surgery? I had my womb removed and I was in agony for weeks,although I had very large fibroids on mine. Is there a chance of rejection like there is with other organs? Yes I think you have to take anti rejection drugs for a year. I can't remember the detail so not sure if it's one year before pregnancy. As with all these things it'll become more refined and sophisticated as it goes along That would be fantastic for transgender women but I can't see many men asking if they can carry a baby for 9 months. No beer,soft cheese,prawns etc and heartburn! " There's always somebody, somewhere. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?
If I thought I could reply to that and have an adult discussion about it I would, but your antibiotic and condom comment clearly shows you'd just rip to bits any opinion I have so best not bother"It's a stupid opinion though. We play god far more though our treatment of disease than our quest for repoducrion. But the whole "nature take its course" argument is nonsense when to humans. We are collectively a species that has invested tens of thousands of man hours into developing better lubricants to fuck each other in the arse. What's natural to humans is insanity if looked at through a practical eye. | |||
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"I saw the womb transplant birth news a few months ago; I think there was even a thread on here. Now that they are discussing it for the NHS I suppose we would have to look at it for everyone who is unable to have a child and wants one. There was a Sky Arts play with Stephen Mangan about this. How complicated was the surgery? I had my womb removed and I was in agony for weeks,although I had very large fibroids on mine. Is there a chance of rejection like there is with other organs? Yes I think you have to take anti rejection drugs for a year. I can't remember the detail so not sure if it's one year before pregnancy. As with all these things it'll become more refined and sophisticated as it goes along That would be fantastic for transgender women but I can't see many men asking if they can carry a baby for 9 months. No beer,soft cheese,prawns etc and heartburn! There's always somebody, somewhere." Richard Madeley | |||
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"I saw the womb transplant birth news a few months ago; I think there was even a thread on here. Now that they are discussing it for the NHS I suppose we would have to look at it for everyone who is unable to have a child and wants one. There was a Sky Arts play with Stephen Mangan about this. How complicated was the surgery? I had my womb removed and I was in agony for weeks,although I had very large fibroids on mine. Is there a chance of rejection like there is with other organs? Yes I think you have to take anti rejection drugs for a year. I can't remember the detail so not sure if it's one year before pregnancy. As with all these things it'll become more refined and sophisticated as it goes along That would be fantastic for transgender women but I can't see many men asking if they can carry a baby for 9 months. No beer,soft cheese,prawns etc and heartburn! There's always somebody, somewhere." I am sure there will be one man who will want to be the first. Look at the hoo ha there was over the transgender man who carried the child for his family. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?
If I thought I could reply to that and have an adult discussion about it I would, but your antibiotic and condom comment clearly shows you'd just rip to bits any opinion I have so best not bother
It's a stupid opinion though. We play god far more though our treatment of disease than our quest for repoducrion.
But the whole "nature take its course" argument is nonsense when to humans.
We are collectively a species that has invested tens of thousands of man hours into developing better lubricants to fuck each other in the arse.
What's natural to humans is insanity if looked at through a practical eye.
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?
If I thought I could reply to that and have an adult discussion about it I would, but your antibiotic and condom comment clearly shows you'd just rip to bits any opinion I have so best not bother
It's a stupid opinion though. We play god far more though our treatment of disease than our quest for repoducrion.
But the whole "nature take its course" argument is nonsense when to humans.
We are collectively a species that has invested tens of thousands of man hours into developing better lubricants to fuck each other in the arse.
What's natural to humans is insanity if looked at through a practical eye.
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc I can't see anyone spending money trying to get a man to carry a baby. It will never happen because we will never run out of women People will try to see if we can. After all we never run out of people so why bother trying to perform a head transplant like we are? Is someone really trying to do that? Yeah I think it's planned for next year. We've been trying since the 60s though. Which animal will they be experimenting on or have they already done that? I don't know if I want to know Japan transplanted a dogs head onto another dog, they didn't remove the other head though so it was walking round with two heads
And they both worked?
Yes they put two bowls of food down and both head ate
I remember having lecture about it at uni many years ago
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to " To a certain extent I agree.  | |||
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So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?". I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability"There is evidence to suggest cancer affected people in prehistoric times. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability"That's not true and it's ducking stupid. Cancer has always existed and not just in humans it exists in animals never exposed to industry. The problem is we used to tend to die before cancer developed. Now we've eliminated so many reasons for death our bodies simply fucking up is the main cause. If I give you a copy of say the complete works of Shakespeare and tell you to copy it out a thousand times. You will eventually make a mistake. This is all cancer is a transcription error, only difference is you're asking your body to copy out a text that is about 3 billion characters long several trillion times. You seriously think it was gonna do it perfectly? Our entire existence is based on the premise it will go wrong and cause mutations. Or next are you going to say evolution is non existent too? | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability"What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants? | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability
What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants?
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" What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants? " NN, how is that different to what already happens quite naturally? A third of fertilised eggs will die in early miscarriage. Babies are born prematurely and die. Some get to full term and are still births. Some are full term and still die shortly after birth. | |||
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"Science doesn't do morals That's left to politicans Science does progress, whether you like it or not is a different question, I love science it's my God, we do such great mind bogglingly amazing things and find answers to what we've gazed at and wondered about for years!. So yeah we do genetically altered wheat and hydraulic fracturing and thermo nuclear weapons but knowing and abusing are two different things!" I've been looking at fusors lately, tricky but not massively complicated to build. There's a certain draw to having the power of a star sat on your desk. Expensive pointless curiosity though, but probably cheaper than a good painting lol. | |||
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" What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants? NN, how is that different to what already happens quite naturally? A third of fertilised eggs will die in early miscarriage. Babies are born prematurely and die. Some get to full term and are still births. Some are full term and still die shortly after birth. " I see it as very different Yes many women have miscarriages and yes baby's die But this in my opinion is using unborn babies to experiment with, and that's not the same as a woman loosing a baby | |||
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" What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants? NN, how is that different to what already happens quite naturally? A third of fertilised eggs will die in early miscarriage. Babies are born prematurely and die. Some get to full term and are still births. Some are full term and still die shortly after birth. I see it as very different Yes many women have miscarriages and yes baby's die But this in my opinion is using unborn babies to experiment with, and that's not the same as a woman loosing a baby " If it's an egg and sperm blastocyst (up to 2 weeks) is that still objectionable? | |||
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" What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants? NN, how is that different to what already happens quite naturally? A third of fertilised eggs will die in early miscarriage. Babies are born prematurely and die. Some get to full term and are still births. Some are full term and still die shortly after birth. I see it as very different Yes many women have miscarriages and yes baby's die But this in my opinion is using unborn babies to experiment with, and that's not the same as a woman loosing a baby If it's an egg and sperm blastocyst (up to 2 weeks) is that still objectionable? "  I shall bow out gracefully now from this thread as its quite obvious my opinions are not appreciated | |||
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"Science doesn't do morals That's left to politicans Science does progress, whether you like it or not is a different question, I love science it's my God, we do such great mind bogglingly amazing things and find answers to what we've gazed at and wondered about for years!. So yeah we do genetically altered wheat and hydraulic fracturing and thermo nuclear weapons but knowing and abusing are two different things! I've been looking at fusors lately, tricky but not massively complicated to build. There's a certain draw to having the power of a star sat on your desk. Expensive pointless curiosity though, but probably cheaper than a good painting lol." . Ahh the fusion goal, it's annoying and amazing! They keep saying another 20 years and we've got it grrr. It's more of an engineering problem in reality than a science one... Temperatures and limits!. Never seen a small fusor but I have visited the big one in France! Ps Hirsch wrote some very good books on oil and its limits! | |||
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" What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants? NN, how is that different to what already happens quite naturally? A third of fertilised eggs will die in early miscarriage. Babies are born prematurely and die. Some get to full term and are still births. Some are full term and still die shortly after birth. I see it as very different Yes many women have miscarriages and yes baby's die But this in my opinion is using unborn babies to experiment with, and that's not the same as a woman loosing a baby If it's an egg and sperm blastocyst (up to 2 weeks) is that still objectionable? I shall bow out gracefully now from this thread as its quite obvious my opinions are not appreciated "Of course they are. You have made me think about where the line might be, question what is the point at which a collection of cells might be thought of as a baby and other things I haven't considered since the 80s and the forming of the HFEA. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?
If I thought I could reply to that and have an adult discussion about it I would, but your antibiotic and condom comment clearly shows you'd just rip to bits any opinion I have so best not bother
It's a stupid opinion though. We play god far more though our treatment of disease than our quest for repoducrion.
But the whole "nature take its course" argument is nonsense when to humans.
We are collectively a species that has invested tens of thousands of man hours into developing better lubricants to fuck each other in the arse.
What's natural to humans is insanity if looked at through a practical eye.
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability"Where is the evidence to suggest people didn't get cancer back then? | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability
What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants?
Less than the number killed by the morning after pill each year?"How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place. | |||
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"Science doesn't do morals That's left to politicans Science does progress, whether you like it or not is a different question, I love science it's my God, we do such great mind bogglingly amazing things and find answers to what we've gazed at and wondered about for years!. So yeah we do genetically altered wheat and hydraulic fracturing and thermo nuclear weapons but knowing and abusing are two different things! I've been looking at fusors lately, tricky but not massively complicated to build. There's a certain draw to having the power of a star sat on your desk. Expensive pointless curiosity though, but probably cheaper than a good painting lol.. Ahh the fusion goal, it's annoying and amazing! They keep saying another 20 years and we've got it grrr. It's more of an engineering problem in reality than a science one... Temperatures and limits!. Never seen a small fusor but I have visited the big one in France! Ps Hirsch wrote some very good books on oil and its limits!" A fusor is a specific type that can be built and operated at home, it will never produce net energy though, but they look truly beautiful when operating in "star mode". And sorry to say mate the current goal for DEMO after iteration to actually produce power is 50 years minimum :p Lockheed are going for a compact high beta reactor which eliminates a whole host of the problems with low beta reactors like the tokomak iter style ones, but at the same time introduces an equal number of equally challenging different problems lol. I find the design for the blankets for the inside of the reactors an incredible feat, must absorb fast neutrons without degrading significantly, idealy breed tritium. one Side facing plasma at millions of kelvin the other side facing the super conducting magnets at a fraction of a single kelvin. It's a mind boggling specification | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability
What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants?
Less than the number killed by the morning after pill each year?
How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place."The testing during its development? There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet. Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time.. | |||
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" But the whole "nature take its course" argument is nonsense when to humans. We are collectively a species that has invested tens of thousands of man hours into developing better lubricants to fuck each other in the arse. What's natural to humans is insanity if looked at through a practical eye. Are you saying it's not natural to fuck arseholes? I've fucked the odd one or two . Seriously though, if animals do it, why is it considered unnatural?"No I'm saying spending millions and countless man hours inventing strawberry flavoured anal lube ain't all that natural :p | |||
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So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability
What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants?
Less than the number killed by the morning after pill each year?
How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place.
The testing during its development?
There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet.
Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time.."It's not comparable - as the morning after pill is not a contraception. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability
What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants?
Less than the number killed by the morning after pill each year?
How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place.
The testing during its development?
There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet.
Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time..
It's not comparable - as the morning after pill is not a contraception."I'll rephrase that - it's not a contraception if an egg has already been released from the ovary. The IUD is as it prevents a fertilised egg implanting in the womb, and condoms are as they prevent sperm from entering the vagina (when used carefully). | |||
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"How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place. The testing during its development? There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet. Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time.. It's not comparable - as the morning after pill is not a contraception. I'll rephrase that - it's not a contraception if an egg has already been released from the ovary. The IUD is as it prevents a fertilised egg implanting in the womb, and condoms are as they prevent sperm from entering the vagina (when used carefully)." To be clear, you're not suggesting that the morning after pill never works? | |||
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"How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place. The testing during its development? There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet. Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time.. It's not comparable - as the morning after pill is not a contraception. I'll rephrase that - it's not a contraception if an egg has already been released from the ovary. The IUD is as it prevents a fertilised egg implanting in the womb, and condoms are as they prevent sperm from entering the vagina (when used carefully). To be clear, you're not suggesting that the morning after pill never works?" I have no proof it never works but I have proof it can fail. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability
What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants?
Less than the number killed by the morning after pill each year?
How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place.
The testing during its development?
There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet.
Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time..
It's not comparable - as the morning after pill is not a contraception."I never said it was. I'm not entirely sure what your point is here. Are you trying to say the morning after pill never works. that an egg that is fertilised will not be prevented from growing by the effects of the pill. That was all my point was, I just figured the morning after pill was a more salient example than say abortion due to it not suffering from the same problems relating to how long after fertilisation is aceptable. | |||
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"How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place. The testing during its development? There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet. Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time.. It's not comparable - as the morning after pill is not a contraception. I'll rephrase that - it's not a contraception if an egg has already been released from the ovary. The IUD is as it prevents a fertilised egg implanting in the womb, and condoms are as they prevent sperm from entering the vagina (when used carefully). To be clear, you're not suggesting that the morning after pill never works? I have no proof it never works but I have proof it can fail." OK which is of no really relevance. There's proof that it works, there's proof that it's used. So it's a reasonable assumption that more fertilised eggs will be prematurely ended by the morning after pill than by experiments a tempting to gestation a baby in a male . Don't you think? | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability
What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants?
Less than the number killed by the morning after pill each year?
How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place.
The testing during its development?
There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet.
Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time..
It's not comparable - as the morning after pill is not a contraception.
I never said it was.
I'm not entirely sure what your point is here.
Are you trying to say the morning after pill never works.
that an egg that is fertilised will not be prevented from growing by the effects of the pill.
That was all my point was, I just figured the morning after pill was a more salient example than say abortion due to it not suffering from the same problems relating to how long after fertilisation is aceptable.
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability
What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants?
Less than the number killed by the morning after pill each year?
How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place.
The testing during its development?
There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet.
Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time..
It's not comparable - as the morning after pill is not a contraception.
I never said it was.
I'm not entirely sure what your point is here.
Are you trying to say the morning after pill never works.
that an egg that is fertilised will not be prevented from growing by the effects of the pill.
That was all my point was, I just figured the morning after pill was a more salient example than say abortion due to it not suffering from the same problems relating to how long after fertilisation is aceptable.
It doesn't destroy a fertilised egg."Though what damage it does to the embryo I do not know. Doctors may still not know. | |||
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"How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place. The testing during its development? There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet. Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time.. It's not comparable - as the morning after pill is not a contraception. I'll rephrase that - it's not a contraception if an egg has already been released from the ovary. The IUD is as it prevents a fertilised egg implanting in the womb, and condoms are as they prevent sperm from entering the vagina (when used carefully). To be clear, you're not suggesting that the morning after pill never works? I have no proof it never works but I have proof it can fail. OK which is of no really relevance. There's proof that it works, there's proof that it's used. So it's a reasonable assumption that more fertilised eggs will be prematurely ended by the morning after pill than by experiments a tempting to gestation a baby in a male . Don't you think?" No! For the reason I stated before. | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability
What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants?
Less than the number killed by the morning after pill each year?
How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place.
The testing during its development?
There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet.
Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time..
It's not comparable - as the morning after pill is not a contraception.
I never said it was.
I'm not entirely sure what your point is here.
Are you trying to say the morning after pill never works.
that an egg that is fertilised will not be prevented from growing by the effects of the pill.
That was all my point was, I just figured the morning after pill was a more salient example than say abortion due to it not suffering from the same problems relating to how long after fertilisation is aceptable.
It doesn't destroy a fertilised egg."Fair enough my apologies. I thought it prevented the fertilise degg from attaching to the wall of the womb but you're correct it delays the release of the egg. Guess sill have to use abortion for my point but that opens up a much more sticky side track | |||
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"So a baby has been born from a woman with a transplanted womb (her mother's donated womb) after hers was removed due to cancer. Now I wonder if this means in future a womb could be transplanted into a man or transgender person, I imagine the baby would have to be born via c section because of a lack of "strech" as it where for the lower half Do you think this would be possible or do you think the male body would just be incapable of supporting a second life Personally I think people should stop playing God and just let nature run as its supposed to Cool let's ban antibiotics and go back to people dying at 40. Better ban condoms too eh? I hadn't thought about the hormone issue I was thinking more along the lines of our metabolisms and circulatory systems etc Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I was only allowed an opinion so long as I was infavour of your post I really hate this emoticon but I really feel in this case it's needed
So what class as "stop playing god and let nature take its course"
Treating cancer?
Not very natural let them die.
C section births?
Nah nature clearly wants the child dead.
Saving a child from infection?
No let the bacteria do their thing.
Our of curiosity where is the line ?. I think you would find that man brought cancer on himself before all this petroleum and industrial revolutions cancer did not exist and how far must we go doing unnecessary experiments there is no need for a man to carry a child when women are born with that ability
What worries me most about this is how many failed attempts will there be before they get it right (if they ever do) how many eggs will be fertilised to die at various stages of gestation? How many babies will be fertilised and die, and is this acceptable so long as one day that man carries the baby he wants?
Less than the number killed by the morning after pill each year?
How do you know the morning after pill works? I have proof it fails. No pregnancy following the morning after pill does not prove conception occurred in the first place.
The testing during its development?
There lots of proof condoms fail it's right on the side of the packet.
Doesn't mean they don't work the rest of the time..
It's not comparable - as the morning after pill is not a contraception.
I never said it was.
I'm not entirely sure what your point is here.
Are you trying to say the morning after pill never works.
that an egg that is fertilised will not be prevented from growing by the effects of the pill.
That was all my point was, I just figured the morning after pill was a more salient example than say abortion due to it not suffering from the same problems relating to how long after fertilisation is aceptable.
It doesn't destroy a fertilised egg.
Fair enough my apologies.
I thought it prevented the fertilise degg from attaching to the wall of the womb but you're correct it delays the release of the egg.
Guess sill have to use abortion for my point but that opens up a much more sticky side track "It's the iud that prevents attachment. The morning after pill is not a viable option if ovulation has already occurred, I hope to god that doctors explain this to the women concerned, and not just that if they're sick that they have a greater chance of conception occurring. | |||
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" Fair enough my apologies. I thought it prevented the fertilise degg from attaching to the wall of the womb but you're correct it delays the release of the egg. Guess sill have to use abortion for my point but that opens up a much more sticky side track It's the iud that prevents attachment. The morning after pill is not a viable option if ovulation has already occurred, I hope to god that doctors explain this to the women concerned, and not just that if they're sick that they have a greater chance of conception occurring." I would think they would explain it and the other options. I'll admit when it comes to female contraception etc I'm operating of things I learned over a decade ago in school as it's not something I've ever had to read up on in later life lol. | |||
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