FabSwingers.com forum: Syria conflict: Russian intervention

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What do you think of what Russia have done today? They have intervened in the war and started to bomb and they will put soldiers on the grounds as well, is Russia's action making the situation more complex?

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By *ucky1Man
over a year ago

a straightjacket

Thought they wouldn't commit boots on the ground? I think it's a good move and increases the pressure on IS

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Yes, it makes the situation complexier

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

I could've sworn I read something a couple of weeks ago that said Russia already had troops on the ground in Syria...

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By *1paljungMan
over a year ago

Richmond

"I could've sworn I read something a couple of weeks ago that said Russia already had troops on the ground in Syria..."

They have 'advisors'...

Love they gave the US an hour to bugger off before tearing the place up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Russia are pure evil and people are praising them.

They ARE NOT bombing ISIS, just the rebels against Assad. The probably are doing this to to piss of Europe and Us, who possibly have men on the groud secretly.

Putin is pure evil full stop. Assad is a dictator, Putin only helps Dictators because he is one, and it help his cause to keep his image of worldwide of ditactors strong and no one can over throw them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I could've sworn I read something a couple of weeks ago that said Russia already had troops on the ground in Syria..."
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They say crazy shit like that all the time.... Like when the Americans announced they've left Iraq...

No they haven't, there's a massive base right there, with thousands of troops in it

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

the 'west' and some middle east countries will target IS and Syria and Russia will target the 'free Syrian opposition', likely outcome is that the status quo will remain but Russia will have bases in Syria to 'fight global terrorism'..

its fraught with further dangers and a bit more complicated than before this action..

the only troops on the ground in Syria from outside are 'advisers', similar to Vietnam..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Russia are pure evil and people are praising them.

They ARE NOT bombing ISIS, just the rebels against Assad. The probably are doing this to to piss of Europe and Us, who possibly have men on the groud secretly.

Technically Putin would be voted in with a massive majority, the constitution forbids more than two terms so he controls from the presidential box...

Putin is not a dictator, the vast majority of Russians love him!.

Assad is a dictator, however he did have a good habit of protecting the smaller religious groups from the larger religious groups... Remove Assad and see what happens!

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Russia are pure evil and people are praising them.

They ARE NOT bombing ISIS, just the rebels against Assad. The probably are doing this to to piss of Europe and Us, who possibly have men on the groud secretly.

Technically Putin would be voted in with a massive majority, the constitution forbids more than two terms so he controls from the presidential box...

Putin is not a dictator, the vast majority of Russians love him!.

Assad is a dictator, however he did have a good habit of protecting the smaller religious groups from the larger religious groups... Remove Assad and see what happens!"
Very true it is us and the US trying to remove these so called dictator that set the middle east in flames,democracy is not right for all nations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putin is not a dicator? Why did he step down to be prime minister after 2 terms, so he could be president again.

And everyone knows that in Russia there is no opposition, because they either will be jailed or killed. Just like any journalist who writes good stories about the opposition ends up fired or dead

Putin is a Dictactor, but as a pyschopath is intelligent to hide his hand when he kills, breaks the law e.t.c

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By *dventuroususCouple
over a year ago

sunderland

Lets be honest, if putin wants to kick off, who is going to stop him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Putin is not a dicator? Why did he step down to be prime minister after 2 terms, so he could be president again.

And everyone knows that in Russia there is no opposition, because they either will be jailed or killed. Just like any journalist who writes good stories about the opposition ends up fired or dead

Putin is a Dictactor, but as a pyschopath is intelligent to hide his hand when he kills, breaks the law e.t.c"
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I think your a bit confused

Putin was voted in twice as prime minister, the constitution forbids more terms so he proxy rules from the presidency.. The actual prime minister is Medvedev

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putin was in the kgb, so as a former spy e.t.c he plans out everything meticulously.

One thing spies do best is not getting caught, and he has brought this into his presidency. Ukraine - he claim the rebels aren't Russian soldiers, his Russians soldier didn't shoot down the passenger plane. Her took Crimea by force and claims it was free vote like 99% voted to join Russia, local people said it was rigged and had armed me watching people who cast the vote. He is good friend with North korea, basically anyone who hates America or europe. Anyone who thinks russia is sweet and kind will be voting for Jermery Corbyn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Putin was in the kgb, so as a former spy e.t.c he plans out everything meticulously.

Well actually the Russian people voted for Medvedev... He's as big a cunt as Putin... There's a whole host of cunts in Russia wanting election to the PM job.

I say better the devil you know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Putin is not a dicator? Why did he step down to be prime minister after 2 terms, so he could be president again.

And everyone knows that in Russia there is no opposition, because they either will be jailed or killed. Just like any journalist who writes good stories about the opposition ends up fired or dead

Putin is a Dictactor, but as a pyschopath is intelligent to hide his hand when he kills, breaks the law e.t.c.

I think your a bit confused

Putin was voted in twice as prime minister, the constitution forbids more terms so he proxy rules from the presidency.. The actual prime minister is Medvedev"

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Putin was barred from a third term by the Constitution. First Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev was elected his successor. In a power-switching operation on 8 May 2008, only a day after handing the presidency to Medvedev, Putin was appointed Prime Minister of Russia, maintaining his political dominance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Putin was in the kgb, so as a former spy e.t.c he plans out everything meticulously.

Actually what he said was that over 80% of the population in Crimea was Russian and that he didn't want them persecuting in a civil war and used the same excuse for east Ukraine?.

He skipped over the fucking massive naval base and the huge oil and gas pipelines!.

He does the same shit we do, but with less finesse

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Assad must be losing ground or they wouldn't be bothering.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Lets be honest, if putin wants to kick off, who is going to stop him."

I, and many others would give him a Chinese burn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putin picked Dmitry Medvedev to be his puppet because he couldn't run 3 consecutive terms, and yes the Russian people voted Medvedev because one again Russia is a one party state and if you tried come compete with them you end up in jail or dead. Basically a cleverly disguised dictatorship.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"Russia are pure evil and people are praising them.

They ARE NOT bombing ISIS, just the rebels against Assad. The probably are doing this to to piss of Europe and Us, who possibly have men on the groud secretly.

from the people who brought you white jamaicans vs white Africans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyways it is sad that Isis live another day, they should carpet bomb ISIS areas and leave nothing alive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Russia are pure evil and people are praising them.

They ARE NOT bombing ISIS, just the rebels against Assad. The probably are doing this to to piss of Europe and Us, who possibly have men on the groud secretly.

from the people who brought you white jamaicans vs white Africans.

Go play with ur willy or something, big people are talking here x

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

the issue is that russia "at the moment" do not differeniate between the rebels fighting Assad and IS..... and bearing in mine assad rebels are backed by the US if they bomb them (and they wont for fear of bombing american advisors) thats where the issue is...

as long as russia just bomb IS strongholds... there isn't an issue.... but heaven forbid if a russian plane gets taken down by IS.... the propoganda use for a russian pilot whould be 10 times what it would be for a us pilot at the moment....

putin is playing a risky game... because those sites on russian TV wont play well.....

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By *im himCouple (MM)
over a year ago

bedworth

"Russia are pure evil and people are praising them.

They ARE NOT bombing ISIS, just the rebels against Assad. The probably are doing this to to piss of Europe and Us, who possibly have men on the groud secretly.

Think you need to stop watching the bbc & the rest of main stream media . Russia , if you remember warned the west of there policy in the Middle East , and guess what ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Putin picked Dmitry Medvedev to be his puppet because he couldn't run 3 consecutive terms, and yes the Russian people voted Medvedev because one again Russia is a one party state and if you tried come compete with them you end up in jail or dead. Basically a cleverly disguised dictatorship."
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Were all cleverly disguised dictatorships, do you really think anybody wanted bush or Cameron or Assad or Gaddafi?

You can't make Russia right by making Putin wrong, it's a fucked up country, it's been isolated for 80 fucking years!

You aren't going to hold that place together with eu niceness

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Anyways it is sad that Isis live another day, they should carpet bomb ISIS areas and leave nothing alive"

Yeah, like they all live in one great big den underground, only sneaking out to the shops for a packet of fags and a pint of milk inbetween plots

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you think of what Russia have done today? They have intervened in the war and started to bomb and they will put soldiers on the grounds as well, is Russia's action making the situation more complex? "
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Anyhow more to the point I think there just trying to carry favour with Iran who have been lured to the good side of the force by Obamas nuclear deal

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"Russia are pure evil and people are praising them.

They ARE NOT bombing ISIS, just the rebels against Assad. The probably are doing this to to piss of Europe and Us, who possibly have men on the groud secretly.

from the people who brought you white jamaicans vs white Africans.

Go play with ur willy or something, big people are talking here x"

getting caught being a racist hypocrite and then a childish response is not the action of big people.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

The Russians are realists

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Anyhow more to the point I think there just trying to carry favour with Iran who have been lured to the good side of the force by Obamas nuclear deal"
That's right and on the news they said its like Russia wanna be a power house in the war saying you got 1hr to move things and set rules and boundaries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Say what you like about him, he's proper gorgeous !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyhow more to the point I think there just trying to carry favour with Iran who have been lured to the good side of the force by Obamas nuclear dealThat's right and on the news they said its like Russia wanna be a power house in the war saying you got 1hr to move things and set rules and boundaries."
..Yeah

I mean anyone would think we've been helping isis all along or summit

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

The war in Syria has gone on, gently stoked by its neighbours, Russia and the US for 4 years.

Maybe 250,000 people have died and as many as 11 million have been displaced while we watch.

In the vacuum created by the failed state of Iraq and the collapse of the Assad regime the pernicious evil of self-styled Islamic State has emerged.

Maybe the Russian intervention will get the international 'community' moving at last.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Russia are pure evil and people are praising them.

They ARE NOT bombing ISIS, just the rebels against Assad. The probably are doing this to to piss of Europe and Us, who possibly have men on the groud secretly.

Technically Putin would be voted in with a massive majority, the constitution forbids more than two terms so he controls from the presidential box...

Putin is not a dictator, the vast majority of Russians love him!.

Assad is a dictator, however he did have a good habit of protecting the smaller religious groups from the larger religious groups... Remove Assad and see what happens!"

Removing Assad would be same as in Libya.....total chaos with all kinds of mad Muslim splinter groups. Same as getting rid of Saddam in Iraq. The west just keep making the same mistakes.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

It's a sick, sad business.

But then there is the world as we would like it to be, and then there is the world as it is.

And something has to change to stop the carnage.

I weep for Syria.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I mean anyone would think we've been helping isis all along or summit

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Yes, it would seem that way we would. All the countries that help should get the same credits, not just one country like Russia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The war in Syria has gone on, gently stoked by its neighbours, Russia and the US for 4 years.

Maybe 250,000 people have died and as many as 11 million have been displaced while we watch.

In the vacuum created by the failed state of Iraq and the collapse of the Assad regime the pernicious evil of self-styled Islamic State has emerged.

Maybe the Russian intervention will get the international 'community' moving at last."
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Yeah but did the media ever mention that Syria was in there worse drought for a generation before the fighting started?

All the farmers fucked off because the land became useless and got a job at pound land in Damascus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The war in Syria has gone on, gently stoked by its neighbours, Russia and the US for 4 years.

Maybe 250,000 people have died and as many as 11 million have been displaced while we watch.

In the vacuum created by the failed state of Iraq and the collapse of the Assad regime the pernicious evil of self-styled Islamic State has emerged.

Maybe the Russian intervention will get the international 'community' moving at last."
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Russia's intervening is Syria because the west is and has been covertly doing it for some time!

He's calling us out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess this has nothing to do with the fact that Russia's Mediterranean port is in syria. So any change in leadership, lets say to a western friendly government that could jeopardise this....nothing at all. Hmmm i wonder where China's Mediterranean port is....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I guess this has nothing to do with the fact that Russia's Mediterranean port is in syria. So any change in leadership, lets say to a western friendly government that could jeopardise this....nothing at all. Hmmm i wonder where China's Mediterranean port is...."
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Southampton

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I don't trust the Russians, never have and probably never will.

However given the choice of Russia or ISIS I'd choose the Russians.

Assad, while not being a person I would choose to have dinner with, has never been an enemy of Britain, ISIS is.

If the choice is between ISIS, Assad or the Russians I'll choose Assad over the Russians and the Russians over ISIS.

If the threat from ISIS is really a big as we're being told then defeating ISIS has to be the top priority. If that means getting into bed with the Russians and/or Assad then that's a price we may have to pay, after all we got in bed with the Russians to defeat the Nazis and they were much more scary back then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many Russians love Putin? the old timers perhaps. I work for a Russian company in London and they are swamped with people trying to leave Russia to come and live in London or the US.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Putin was in the kgb, so as a former spy e.t.c he plans out everything meticulously.

Russia took crimea and the West did nothing. Putin is now getting bolder. Look at it from Russia/Putin perspective though, the EU was provoking and playing games with Ukraine behind the scenes encouraging a coup. Out the pro Russian Ukraine leader and install a new pro EU leader. Pave the way for Ukraine to join the EU.

Only Putin had other plans and wasn't going to take that lying down, you poke the Russian bear and you will get bitten!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I don't trust the Russians, never have and probably never will.

However given the choice of Russia or ISIS I'd choose the Russians.

Assad, while not being a person I would choose to have dinner with, has never been an enemy of Britain, ISIS is.

If the choice is between ISIS, Assad or the Russians I'll choose Assad over the Russians and the Russians over ISIS.

I agree, wipe out isis first then worry about Assad/Russia later.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Of course. Syria has been a Russian client state and window on to the Med since the Cold War... this is an extension/protection of that status and it's also two fingers up to the Americans, who're supposed to be Global Police (FUCK YEAH!), who haven't done jack.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What do you mean Russia Mediterranean port, it pisses me of because there lot of im Yankee doodle I'm a noodle attitudes to what happening over at Syria, Russia is taking part in what is clearly an us led coalition against something that was manifested from being a terrorist attack to them having nuclear capability and ready to launch within months.

every one those countries Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya taking apart and rebuilt shabbily. Even if Russia had few destroyers etc etc they got to get past Gibraltar and port of Alexandria and Cyprus, the Royal Navy best in the world, so there not going far.

At the end of the day Russia just following through on that good old saying keep your friends close and your enemy's closer ...... Missle defence system America been working on Turkey. Its good too see fighter jets, military personal interacting because when see none that you know its time for the flash in sky. It will never end over there the world is to paranoid

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By *d871Man
over a year ago

nowhere

Some of the Russian cockpit video appears to show cluster munitions being deployed. They are not supposed to be used any more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haha, I see people dumbly saying Russia is amazing. He is sending fighter jets that are in U.k air space are being constantly being chased away by the RAF. How do you know he isn't a sicko like Hitler planning on invading and annexing more counties. It is very possible, no one thought something like WW1 or WW2 would happen. Russia need to be contained because they are getting too bold. The problem is the US don't want to get involved for financial reasons, they good as just come out of a recession caused by a huge deficient of trillions of dollars. Yes, the banks crashed but if that hadn't spent trillions on Afghanistan or Iraq, it wouldn't have been as bad. And you agree dictators aka Assad seem to be the best things for middle eastern countries otherwise they just start beheading each other. Excuse typos, on phone x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The potential for a catastrophic accident is very high. Putin supports Assad, US special forces will be on the ground with rebel troops which are likely to be targeted by Russia so the potential for US military casualties is high. Together with US and Russian aircraft operating over the same airspace at the same time but not coordinated I could see the potential for real trouble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The potential for a catastrophic accident is very high. Putin supports Assad, US special forces will be on the ground with rebel troops which are likely to be targeted by Russia so the potential for US military casualties is high. Together with US and Russian aircraft operating over the same airspace at the same time but not coordinated I could see the potential for real trouble."

Well put

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

"It's a sick, sad business.

But then there is the world as we would like it to be, and then there is the world as it is.

And something has to change to stop the carnage.

I weep for Syria. "

All this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you mean Russia Mediterranean port, it pisses me of because there lot of im Yankee doodle I'm a noodle attitudes to what happening over at Syria, Russia is taking part in what is clearly an us led coalition against something that was manifested from being a terrorist attack to them having nuclear capability and ready to launch within months.

Wise words indeed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is why I think Putin is enjoying bombing the rebels, he knows the U.S is on the ground secretly and they can't do or say nothing.

And the people saying woohoo to putin bombing the rebels, these people have saved lives from being tortured, raped, beheaded.

The problem people sit behind their laptops, phone e.t.c and think its like in the movies. It is not your families being killed and raped infront of you by ISIS so it easy to say bomb the rebels, the only ground forces against ISIS.

I doubt PUTIN will bomb ISIS because anything that will destroy the west, he will happily support it. And can we atleast be proud to be British and support our country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats good move. Lots off people not realizing what happens if nobody not stop isis. Americans been there for a year minimum and what they done nothing they just make money on guns over there

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

Don't care, as long as Isis is wiped off the face of the planet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dont forget americans made isis and support them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Putin was in the kgb, so as a former spy e.t.c he plans out everything meticulously.

Only Putin had other plans and wasn't going to take that lying down, you poke the Russian bear and you will get bitten! "

How many people die in ukraine and how many in crimea. Putin done a good job

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dont forget americans made isis and support them"

I was under the impression that Assad's regime was instrumental in the fragmentation of the country.

Now it's so screwed up no one knows who represents what faction?

And don't be blinkered to the fact that the UK has along with other western countries flooded the area with military hardware. Uncle Sam isn't the only party involved,and Russia has had a vested interest in the region for years with naval bases and spy stations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dont forget americans made isis and support them"

The UK's hands are not so clean on that issue either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the U.K/U.S didn't know they were funding a group that was already planning to go rogue before they got money/support.

The middle east should have been left alone. Saddam, Assab, Gaddafi e.t.c as evil as they are/were, should have been left to control their countries.

Democracy just doesn't work in the middle east.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putin,answered Assad's distress call. Assad is losing the war, his troops are either, dead, deserted, defected or under immense strain. Without Russia's help he would have been defeated in months.

There is no answer or solution to Syria, it's a melting pot of different groups, religions and those who are running their own barbaric twisted versions of Islam.

Think how long it took the west to implement democracy it wasn't done over night it's taken hundreds of years and we still haven't perfected it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

USA and Russia will have meetings later today as they fare there may be even more conflict between them 2 as usa also plan to intervene, especially in the airspace.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I think the U.K/U.S didn't know they were funding a group that was already planning to go rogue before they got money/support.

not the first time nor will it be the last..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As old Kenny Everett would say BOMB THE BASTARDS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got a baaad feeling about this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to show how sketchy Russia are, today the claim yesterday they only bombed ISIS, which we all know is a major lie.

Why did the tell US to move their planes e.t.c, let alone bomb a part of syria ISIS aren't in?

Where are my Putin sympathisers

"Heil, mein Führer Putin!" Kill all gays

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Just to show how sketchy Russia are, today the claim yesterday they only bombed ISIS, which we all know is a major lie.

Why did the tell US to move their planes e.t.c, let alone bomb a part of syria ISIS aren't in?

Where are my Putin sympathisers

"Heil, mein Führer Putin!" Kill all gays"

Maybe Putin is bombing the rebels in Syria right now, but isis are also a threat to Assad. At some stage sooner or later Russia will have to start taking on isis if they want to keep Assad in power. I've just watched an interview on sky news with a Russian middle east expert. He said basically Russia will target anyone who is a threat to Assad in Syria.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And we all know why

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Russia are pure evil and people are praising them.

They ARE NOT bombing ISIS, just the rebels against Assad. The probably are doing this to to piss of Europe and Us, who possibly have men on the groud secretly.

from the people who brought you white jamaicans vs white Africans.

Go play with ur willy or something, big people are talking here x

getting caught being a racist hypocrite and then a childish response is not the action of big people. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot more people will have to die until the human race will know unified peace .

Not something any of us will see in our lifetimes anyway .

Be thankful you live in the western world .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Russia are pure evil and people are praising them.

They ARE NOT bombing ISIS, just the rebels against Assad. The probably are doing this to to piss of Europe and Us, who possibly have men on the groud secretly.

So by that logic the dictators Briton & the USA support must be the good type:

EGYPT

PAKISTAN

JORDAN

AFGHANISTAN

IRAQ

KAZAKHSTAN

TURKMENISTAN

AZERBAIJAN

LET'S NOT FORGET THE GREAT DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY OFF CHINA.

who's ass the west regularly kisses.

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By *aughtyinguMan
over a year ago

swindon

Isis became a major player because of Assad, as turkey says Assad is the cause, Isis is the symptom.

Assad has killed and destroyed far more than Isis in Syria.

The syians asked for help and no fly zones/ anti aircraft guns, but got negligible support. Isis u get paid and better guns, and have been quite effective, that's why many joined...

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over a year ago

"Russia are pure evil and people are praising them.

They ARE NOT bombing ISIS, just the rebels against Assad. The probably are doing this to to piss of Europe and Us, who possibly have men on the groud secretly.

They're doing it to maintain their strategic position with Syria as an ally.

Oh and really if you're gonna bring up supporting dictators we support a lot of the worst in the world even getting them into power for the same reason.

It's strategicaly advantageous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the U.K/U.S didn't know they were funding a group that was already planning to go rogue before they got money/support.

The middle east should have been left alone. Saddam, Assab, Gaddafi e.t.c as evil as they are/were, should have been left to control their countries.

Democracy just doesn't work in the middle east."

Wait so you've gone from hating dictators to saying they're a good and Neseccary thing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Syria is a mess and a half. While I'm no fan of Assad - and query what Russia are up to and Putin's motivations - I also query the actions and motivations of the West. Ultimately, who and what can you believe in this whole situation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Russian Government trolling people on Twitter who criticise them by posting up one of there planes firing a missile in response.

They literally don't give a shit what the world thinks.

And who's going to stop them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putin is playing chess and has simply outmanoeuvred the US and UK. Assad now stays. Russians will see it as their defeat if he is overthrown.

The rebels cannot now 'win' because the West would need to be willing to overtly back them militarily against Russia.

Why now? Be under no illusion that Syria has been asking it's allies for overt military help for a long time. It suits Russia's wider goals right now.

ISIS are a pawn in a bigger game. The Chessboard is bigger than Syria.

It's a time for cool heads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot more people will have to die until the human race will know unified peace .

Not something any of us will see in our lifetimes anyway .

Be thankful you live in the western world ."

I think peace on earth is a fairytale.

Never going to happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still can hate dictators but still see them as a necessary evil (only in the middle east)

Much fewer people died under saddam hussein, even under Assad. The problem with the middle eastern people, give them democracy and they can't deal with it, they think it's satanic and they start killing each other.

Democracy has to be slowly introducted to them over generations, so it's the norm, and not a sign of the end of the world, and they should go out on slaughtering rampages.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Putin is playing chess and has simply outmanoeuvred the US and UK. Assad now stays. Russians will see it as their defeat if he is overthrown.

The rebels cannot now 'win' because the West would need to be willing to overtly back them militarily against Russia.

Why now? Be under no illusion that Syria has been asking it's allies for overt military help for a long time. It suits Russia's wider goals right now.

ISIS are a pawn in a bigger game. The Chessboard is bigger than Syria.

It's a time for cool heads.

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I still can hate dictators but still see them as a necessary evil (only in the middle east)

Democracy has to be slowly introducted to them over generations, so it's the norm, and not a sign of the end of the world, and they should go out on slaughtering rampages.

this

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

I see this being either another Afghanistan, a war that is unwinnable by any side but the locals.

or another Vietnam war, with the two super powers supporting the other side, then stepping in and having a go themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Finally Putin has bombed ISIS, but he has now moved Buratino weapons systems, equipped with thermobaric warheads, into Ukraine, he is desperate to rip Ukraine into half, put a fake referendum as he did in Crimea and claim it as part of Russia, what a complete cunt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Finally Putin has bombed ISIS, but he has now moved Buratino weapons systems, equipped with thermobaric warheads, into Ukraine, he is desperate to rip Ukraine into half, put a fake referendum as he did in Crimea and claim it as part of Russia, what a complete cunt. "

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think, I should be Newsnights new presenter.

I can interview people while getting double penetrated and wanking off someone, make the show a bit more interesting

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By *lactontogMan
over a year ago

Clacton on Sea

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently? "

Exactly India, Palestine, Iraq have suffered seriously because of what Britain has done so you can't blame the Russians for following our lead.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently? "

I think the last time Britain annexed anywhere was over 100 years ago (Cyprus I think it was). I really don't think British foreign policy in recent history can be compared with Russia's.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

Exactly India, Palestine, Iraq have suffered seriously because of what Britain has done so you can't blame the Russians for following our lead. "

WOW! I must be seriously out of touch with what's going on. When did we annexe and reacquire India, Palestine and Iraq. Has any one told the Israelis yet? I'm sure they'd have some thoughts on the matter.

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By *lactontogMan
over a year ago

Clacton on Sea

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

Exactly India, Palestine, Iraq have suffered seriously because of what Britain has done so you can't blame the Russians for following our lead.

Annexed are your words not mine, Russia's involvement are mainly to look after their allies e.g. Syria under the guise of fighting ISIS & ours is to cause havoc arming rebels or terrorists to the Syrian's to unstable yet another another middle eastern country...are we or Russia right...who knows ?

The British people are like mushrooms kept in the dark & feed shit just how our government likes it so don't believe all the propaganda you read about or see on the news.

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By *lactontogMan
over a year ago

Clacton on Sea

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

I think the last time Britain annexed anywhere was over 100 years ago (Cyprus I think it was). I really don't think British foreign policy in recent history can be compared with Russia's."

British Annexation in India in 1855 caused anarchy so be it now or years ago we are just as bad.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

Exactly India, Palestine, Iraq have suffered seriously because of what Britain has done so you can't blame the Russians for following our lead.

The British people are like mushrooms kept in the dark & feed shit just how our government likes it so don't believe all the propaganda you read about or see on the news. "

The question was what had Putin that we haven't in the past or recently? My answer is we (Britain) haven't annexed another country recently. To me that's quite a significant difference.

As for what Britain may or may not have done in the distant past I consider no more relevant than the invasion of England by the French in 1066 or the conquest of Britain by the Romans in 0043.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

I think the last time Britain annexed anywhere was over 100 years ago (Cyprus I think it was). I really don't think British foreign policy in recent history can be compared with Russia's.

British Annexation in India in 1855 caused anarchy so be it now or years ago we are just as bad. "

I think that was more than 100 years ago.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

I think the last time Britain annexed anywhere was over 100 years ago (Cyprus I think it was). I really don't think British foreign policy in recent history can be compared with Russia's.

British Annexation in India in 1855 caused anarchy so be it now or years ago we are just as bad. "

Just for the record: Britain did not annexe India or any part of India in 1855. British rule in India only started after the Indian Rebellion in 1857. Before 1857 it was the British East India Company.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps the worlds problems could be solved by living in the now. If we can't let go of the past then how can we move forward?

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over a year ago

It is easy to get lost in our propaganda. Ask yourself just one question, why are we or the USA in Syria or supporting Syrian rebels?

Terrorist or freedom fighter depends on whose propaganda has most effect on you.

The UK and USA support the rebels, why?

As far as much of the world is concerned we are supporting terrorism.

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over a year ago

"It is easy to get lost in our propaganda. Ask yourself just one question, why are we or the USA in Syria or supporting Syrian rebels?

Terrorist or freedom fighter depends on whose propaganda has most effect on you.

The UK and USA support the rebels, why?

As far as much of the world is concerned we are supporting terrorism. "

much of the world, at at least some of those who live here too. Not just Syria either, it seems to me that our government has a deliberate policy to destabilise much of the Middle East, I am just not sure why.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

I think that your average Syrian citizen must be absolutely delighted that more and more countries are bombing them in the name of peace.

UK, Jordan, France, US and Russia... Who will be next?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

I think that your average Syrian citizen must be absolutely delighted that more and more countries are bombing them in the name of peace.

UK, Jordan, France, US and Russia... Who will be next?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Not sure that Russia's citizens will be too pleased when IS and their own terrorist's carry out attacks but Putin probably cares not a jot in any case..

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

if we bomb them all it will stop them swarming into dover via the tunnel ....

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"It is easy to get lost in our propaganda. Ask yourself just one question, why are we or the USA in Syria or supporting Syrian rebels?

Please tell. Why are the US and UK there. There is no oil to speak of in Syria. I thought they were there to keep the Russians, Iranians and extremist Muslims at bay. Not going too well on all three fronts I agree but if there is some other reason why we're there please share it with us.

Terrorist or freedom fighter depends on whose propaganda has most effect on you.

The UK and USA support the rebels, why?

As far as much of the world is concerned we are supporting terrorism. "

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"if we bomb them all it will stop them swarming into dover via the tunnel ...."

I think it's probably more likely to encourage more to leave.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"if we bomb them all it will stop them swarming into dover via the tunnel ....

I think it's probably more likely to encourage more to leave."

agree but somehow i think the owner of that little gem is talking about maybe bombing the people in Calais..

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"if we bomb them all it will stop them swarming into dover via the tunnel ....

I think it's probably more likely to encourage more to leave.

agree but somehow i think the owner of that little gem is talking about maybe bombing the people in Calais.."

Somehow I don't think that would go down awfully well with the French.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Arab springs sprang from a big increase in world food prices when there was a very bad drought in Russia, that drought followed on from a summer g heat wave in Europe and around that time I think it was 2005 north east Syria had there worst drought in a generation, the land was parched the crops all died and the farmers deserted it for city jobs in Aleppo and Damascus, now you've got the melting pot of several branches of Islam forced together in city's with rising food prices, lack of jobs and a crushing dictatorship!!

Climate change is changing the world in very subtle ways and leading to very bad consequences!

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over a year ago

"The Arab springs sprang from a big increase in world food prices when there was a very bad drought in Russia, that drought followed on from a summer g heat wave in Europe and around that time I think it was 2005 north east Syria had there worst drought in a generation, the land was parched the crops all died and the farmers deserted it for city jobs in Aleppo and Damascus, now you've got the melting pot of several branches of Islam forced together in city's with rising food prices, lack of jobs and a crushing dictatorship!!

Climate change is changing the world in very subtle ways and leading to very bad consequences! "

You have been listening to Charlotte Church too much. The climate change shark has just been jumped.

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over a year ago

Climate change is changing the world in very subtle ways and leading to very bad consequences!

You have been listening to Charlotte Church too much. The climate change shark has just been jumped. "
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Not really, I've not seen her since her singing days!

The Syrian drought has had reports and media stories on for years, they all reported rising poverty and unrest from it!

It's never front page news like... But it's been there for those looking

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over a year ago

Climate change is changing the world in very subtle ways and leading to very bad consequences!

You have been listening to Charlotte Church too much. The climate change shark has just been jumped. .

Not really, I've not seen her since her singing days!

The Syrian drought has had reports and media stories on for years, they all reported rising poverty and unrest from it!

It's never front page news like... But it's been there for those looking

Check out her news night appearance this week. She speaks about it

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

come to areas of kent where the economic migrants get everything given to them and then turn the areas into shit holes, and go into shops in groups and steal....funny how they all got I phones smart cloths and money for cars etc etc

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over a year ago

Climate change is changing the world in very subtle ways and leading to very bad consequences!

You have been listening to Charlotte Church too much. The climate change shark has just been jumped. .

Not really, I've not seen her since her singing days!

The Syrian drought has had reports and media stories on for years, they all reported rising poverty and unrest from it!

It's never front page news like... But it's been there for those looking

Check out her news night appearance this week. She speaks about it "
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Oh I'm usually an avid watcher of newsnight but been a bit busy this week, will have to catch up on iplayer

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

The Syrian drought has had reports and media stories on for years, they all reported rising poverty and unrest from it!

It's never front page news like... But it's been there for those looking

In fact issues with water in the middle east have always been relevant. It was a contributing factor in the 6-day war, and in 2006 Israel systematically destroyed all the water treatment facilities in southern lebanon (as well as other infrastructure) in order to reduce the population and water usage of the Jordan River.

(Which is why we're all asked to boycott peppers and other high-water crops from Israel)

Still, after all the media coverage of the Russian bombing, guess who's just blown up a UN hospital?

Mr ddc

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

The Syrian drought has had reports and media stories on for years, they all reported rising poverty and unrest from it!

It's never front page news like... But it's been there for those looking

(Which is why we're all asked to boycott peppers and other high-water crops from Israel)

Still, after all the media coverage of the Russian bombing, guess who's just blown up a UN hospital?

Mr ddc"

I think it was an MSF hospital actually.

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By *ighting17thMan
over a year ago

Bodmin

I'm not touching this one with a barge pole ...

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Mr ddc

I think it was an MSF hospital actually."

My bad, I was getting over-excited as it's 1974 on pick of the pops

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You must be working in the white house as they are the only people who know where US special forces are..m

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By *rabness92Man
over a year ago

Netherlands

More pressure on IS, kill those sheepshaggers!

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By *lactontogMan
over a year ago

Clacton on Sea

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

I think the last time Britain annexed anywhere was over 100 years ago (Cyprus I think it was). I really don't think British foreign policy in recent history can be compared with Russia's.

British Annexation in India in 1855 caused anarchy so be it now or years ago we are just as bad.

http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/afghanistan/afghanistancollection/1843to1878/sources1843to1878.html India was annexed in 1855

The atrocities we have done in recent modern history to the middle east doesn't make us squeaky clean so we still have a lot to learn.

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over a year ago

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

I think the last time Britain annexed anywhere was over 100 years ago (Cyprus I think it was). I really don't think British foreign policy in recent history can be compared with Russia's.

British Annexation in India in 1855 caused anarchy so be it now or years ago we are just as bad.

http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/afghanistan/afghanistancollection/1843to1878/sources1843to1878.html India was annexed in 1855

The atrocities we have done in recent modern history to the middle east doesn't make us squeaky clean so we still have a lot to learn. "

Let's not forget Briton is responsible for tge israel/Palestinian problem.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

I think the last time Britain annexed anywhere was over 100 years ago (Cyprus I think it was). I really don't think British foreign policy in recent history can be compared with Russia's.

British Annexation in India in 1855 caused anarchy so be it now or years ago we are just as bad.

http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/afghanistan/afghanistancollection/1843to1878/sources1843to1878.html India was annexed in 1855

The atrocities we have done in recent modern history to the middle east doesn't make us squeaky clean so we still have a lot to learn.

Let's not forget Briton is responsible for tge israel/Palestinian problem.

That's a rather narrow view of the Palestinian problem. Are you seriously trying to say that if the British hadn't been on charge of Palestine under a LN/UN mandate there would not have been any problems in the Middle East and Palestine. If so you're showing a staggeringly over simplistic understanding of the problem and a total ignorance of the area.

Not every problem in the world is caused by or the fault of Britain and it's foreign policies. We're really not that powerful or important.

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over a year ago

"It is easy to get lost in our propaganda. Ask yourself just one question, why are we or the USA in Syria or supporting Syrian rebels?

I'm sure you're not as naive as this post suggests.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"It is easy to get lost in our propaganda. Ask yourself just one question, why are we or the USA in Syria or supporting Syrian rebels?

I'm sure you're not as naive as this post suggests."

I'm sure I am so please enlighten me.

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over a year ago

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

I think the last time Britain annexed anywhere was over 100 years ago (Cyprus I think it was). I really don't think British foreign policy in recent history can be compared with Russia's.

British Annexation in India in 1855 caused anarchy so be it now or years ago we are just as bad.

http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/afghanistan/afghanistancollection/1843to1878/sources1843to1878.html India was annexed in 1855

The atrocities we have done in recent modern history to the middle east doesn't make us squeaky clean so we still have a lot to learn.

Let's not forget Briton is responsible for tge israel/Palestinian problem.

Not every problem in the world is caused by or the fault of Britain and it's foreign policies. We're really not that powerful or important."
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The British quit on the Palestinians because we'd just got out of ww2 and didn't want/have the stomach for more conflict.

That being said I think it was one of our worst decisions to abandon the unarmed unprepared Palestinian people to a highly armed and dangerous Jewish terrorists organisation like mossad was then!

They promptly massacred and ransacked entire Palestinian towns on a street by street basis.

Your right not everything the British empire did was bad perse, it was almost completely irrelevant in most cases as our interests lay in keeping stability to unstable places because we had vested interests.

Wilberforce spent 20 years in the early 17th century arguing with "organisations" about the financial merits of giving up slavery.... There was dissenters who argued that abandoning slavery would financially bankrupt the empire! (Yeah there's always that type).

So in reality what you get is a toss up between "business" and "human suffering"

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over a year ago

Would they focus more on IS targets if they got hold of some Russian pilots and tortured them in a video?

I know we can't trust any media sources but from what I've read and listened to, Russia have barely hit any IS targets.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

None of this talk changes a damn thing.

Every fucker here who sympathies should donate £10 to an organsation working with the displaced in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, where ever.

Or just what are we doing here?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I'm sorry, it's total BS

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Would they focus more on IS targets if they got hold of some Russian pilots and tortured them in a video?

I know we can't trust any media sources but from what I've read and listened to, Russia have barely hit any IS targets. "

Russia has lost more soldiers and citizens to Islamic fanatics than the UK has. The Russian Caucuses is a hotbed of extremism and fanatics from that area have attacked the Russian military and civilians in Moscow and elsewhere.

In this battle against Islmic fanatics, the Russians are way ahead of the West in knowing who is the enemy. The Russians should our allies in this battle, we share vested interests in defeating Islamic fanaticism by whatever name they choose to call themselves.

For info... There are no moderate rebels in Syria, no matter what the UK and USA might say.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Would they focus more on IS targets if they got hold of some Russian pilots and tortured them in a video?

I know we can't trust any media sources but from what I've read and listened to, Russia have barely hit any IS targets.

For info... There are no moderate rebels in Syria, no matter what the UK and USA might say."

Although I still don't trust the Russians, and definitely not Putin, and the thought of being on the same side as a an like Assad makes my back jar; I have to agree that you're probably right.

We got into this mess by backing religious fundamentalist against the Russians in Afghanistan back in the 80s. Let's not make the same mistake again.

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By *rotiquexxxMan
over a year ago

Unquenchable Desires

Excuse the cynicism but isis cannot be that much of a threat that the media storm them to be if Russia can bomb the shit out of them over one weekend.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Blah blah blah

Everyone feel clever and vindicated now?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Excuse the cynicism but isis cannot be that much of a threat that the media storm them to be if Russia can bomb the shit out of them over one weekend. "

I think you'll find it's going to take a bit more than that to get rid of ISIS.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Blah blah blah

Everyone feel clever and vindicated now?"

Clever - often

Vindicated - seldom

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"None of this talk changes a damn thing.

Every fucker here who sympathies should donate £10 to an organsation working with the displaced in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, where ever.

Or just what are we doing here?"

Do this then

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Or what is it? Pixels and oh, some more dead people.

Do something positive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Since they good as haven't bombed Isis, and prob only did so twice out of 20, wondering if Russia are trying to make Isis more powerful, cause if they only bomb the rebels.fighting them, Isis have fun a powerful allies.

So who is still rimming Putin?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This has started to go quiet in our media as the realisation that the West has been outplayed sinks in. Assad (or his Russian picked replacement) is safe.

The rebels are a bigger threat to Assad than ISIS because they have the backing of the West. That's why from a Russian perspective the rebels were the first priority.

ISIS cannot then win because they'll be viewed as everyone elses common enemy. Iranian and Syrian ground troops with Russian air power will force them underground.

That sadly is when we could see a real increase in terrorist action on these shores.

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over a year ago

What has Putin done that we haven't done in the past or recently?

I think the last time Britain annexed anywhere was over 100 years ago (Cyprus I think it was). I really don't think British foreign policy in recent history can be compared with Russia's.

British Annexation in India in 1855 caused anarchy so be it now or years ago we are just as bad. "

"We are just as bad"

Who exactly is still alive from then?

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over a year ago

"This has started to go quiet in our media as the realisation that the West has been outplayed sinks in. Assad (or his Russian picked replacement) is safe."

Or more as it got boring.

The news is an entertainment program

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over a year ago

"I still can hate dictators but still see them as a necessary evil (only in the middle east)

Democracy has to be slowly introducted to them over generations, so it's the norm, and not a sign of the end of the world, and they should go out on slaughtering rampages.

And racist post of the week goes to....

So will you next be telling us how slavery is good for the black man as he's too stupid to feed and house himself?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

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"I still can hate dictators but still see them as a necessary evil (only in the middle east)

Democracy has to be slowly introducted to them over generations, so it's the norm, and not a sign of the end of the world, and they should go out on slaughtering rampages.

And racist post of the week goes to....

So will you next be telling us how slavery is good for the black man as he's too stupid to feed and house himself?"

A bit too easily dismissed as racist comments but do you not think there appears to be a major problem with democracy and the middle east? I personally don't like the idea of writing of a whole group of people as too culturally immature for democracy but something is very wrong somewhere in the middle east when nearly every single attempt at democracy seems to end in an even less democratic regime than had existed before. Surely we should be asking ourselves "why" ?

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over a year ago

"I still can hate dictators but still see them as a necessary evil (only in the middle east)

Democracy has to be slowly introducted to them over generations, so it's the norm, and not a sign of the end of the world, and they should go out on slaughtering rampages.

And racist post of the week goes to....

So will you next be telling us how slavery is good for the black man as he's too stupid to feed and house himself?

The constant political and military interference of the rest of the world trying to secure the oil there?

I mean how many of these dictators were put in power or their revolutions funded by the West or the east?

How many of these countries have been the sites of overt and covert proxy wars since the start of the cold war?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

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Hmm... some sophisticated trolling at work here...

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

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..and some unsophisticated trolling too

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I still can hate dictators but still see them as a necessary evil (only in the middle east)

Democracy has to be slowly introducted to them over generations, so it's the norm, and not a sign of the end of the world, and they should go out on slaughtering rampages.

And racist post of the week goes to....

So will you next be telling us how slavery is good for the black man as he's too stupid to feed and house himself?

The constant political and military interference of the rest of the world trying to secure the oil there?

I mean how many of these dictators were put in power or their revolutions funded by the West or the east?

How many of these countries have been the sites of overt and covert proxy wars since the start of the cold war?"

I would be inclined to agree with your analysis and a far better answer than just calling the original observation racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am incredibly sad that my fears proved right. I think the situation here is getting more and more dangerous by the day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Indeed.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

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I am incredibly sad that my fears proved right. I think the situation here is getting more and more dangerous by the day

aww, dont feel sad, you weren't right. its just confirmation bias

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over a year ago

The Turks are very very proud, passionate people. Remember they once had an empire which stretched all the way across Europe. It was called the Ottoman empire and it's perceived as unfair break up is one of the causes of this mess we now find ourselves in.

The Russians have chosen to embroil themselves in yet another Arab feud which has gone on since time immemorial. Let's hope we all don't live to regret it, How close are we to midnight now I wonder.

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