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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

There appear to be a lot of versus threads at the moment...

Is the main difference between a sociopath and a psychopath nothing more than educational attainment.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Can I bring the oranges on at half time?

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Can I bring the oranges on at half time?"

As long as you've already sliced them and left the knife somewhere safe.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

This is a great question. I could Google it but I shall wait to be educated here

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By *aucy tiggerWoman
over a year ago

Back where I belong


"This is a great question. I could Google it but I shall wait to be educated here "

Can I sit next to you,and then we can be educated together?

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

There's only one way to find out:

FIGHT!

(Probably in a passive-aggressive manner, mind)

Mr ddc

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"Can I sit next to you,and then we can be educated together? "

Of course

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Who said I used a knife to slice them

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Don't they say that those in high powered jobs such as bankers verge on sociopath tendencies

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Don't they say that those in high powered jobs such as bankers verge on sociopath tendencies "

That tends to be psychopaths.

Sociopaths tend to move from job to job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't they say that those in high powered jobs such as bankers verge on sociopath tendencies "
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No that's psychopaths!

Ones a genetic fault and ones a nurture fault, although they both use the same outcome, they come from different paths!

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Doesn't one of them ride his bike on the pavement?

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Don't they say that those in high powered jobs such as bankers verge on sociopath tendencies .

No that's psychopaths!

Ones a genetic fault and ones a nurture fault, although they both use the same outcome, they come from different paths!"

That's why I wonder if it is just a matter of educational attainment, albeit probably linked to class.

Psychopaths have the veneer of society, the good jobs, the education and it's deemed to be genetic.

Sociopaths have the ASBOS, lower educational attainment and it's deemed to be a result of their upbringing.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Doesn't one of them ride his bike on the pavement?"

Did they ignore the cycle-path?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Don't they say that those in high powered jobs such as bankers verge on sociopath tendencies .

No that's psychopaths!

Ones a genetic fault and ones a nurture fault, although they both use the same outcome, they come from different paths!"

Ahh ok I thought it was one or the other thanks for correcting me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't they say that those in high powered jobs such as bankers verge on sociopath tendencies .

No that's psychopaths!

Ones a genetic fault and ones a nurture fault, although they both use the same outcome, they come from different paths!"

There is an idea of a Patrick Bateman; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me: only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable... I simply am not there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I predict a draw

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't they say that those in high powered jobs such as bankers verge on sociopath tendencies .

No that's psychopaths!

Ones a genetic fault and ones a nurture fault, although they both use the same outcome, they come from different paths!

That's why I wonder if it is just a matter of educational attainment, albeit probably linked to class.

Psychopaths have the veneer of society, the good jobs, the education and it's deemed to be genetic.

Sociopaths have the ASBOS, lower educational attainment and it's deemed to be a result of their upbringing.

"
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No I think there both personality disorders, one has a tendency to make you wealthy, the other has a tendency to make you poor

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death. "

Why though? Not why do they kill you but why do they use those methods?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is a great question. I could Google it but I shall wait to be educated here "

You need patience

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death. "

Is that because they can't afford the decent knives?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death.

Why though? Not why do they kill you but why do they use those methods? "
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I think I read that there no more likely to kill you than non psychopaths

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Don't they say that those in high powered jobs such as bankers verge on sociopath tendencies .

No that's psychopaths!

Ones a genetic fault and ones a nurture fault, although they both use the same outcome, they come from different paths!

That's why I wonder if it is just a matter of educational attainment, albeit probably linked to class.

Psychopaths have the veneer of society, the good jobs, the education and it's deemed to be genetic.

Sociopaths have the ASBOS, lower educational attainment and it's deemed to be a result of their upbringing.

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No I think there both personality disorders, one has a tendency to make you wealthy, the other has a tendency to make you poor"

Both have strong commonalities: violence, a disregard for social norms, a disregard for the law, a disregard for the feelings of others and no guilt.

I wonder if there has been a study looking at the class origins for sociopaths and psychopaths?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Don't they both have some form of antisocial personality disorder? O

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Don't they both have some form of antisocial personality disorder? O"

Both fall under the broad heading of antisocial personality disorders.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I walked fairly quickly the other day with scissors in my hand, I must be a psychopath?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death.

Why though? Not why do they kill you but why do they use those methods? "

A psychopath will use his/her brain to devise a way of killing you quickly and not get caught. A sociopath will just want to kill you won't have thought about the consequences.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death.

Why though? Not why do they kill you but why do they use those methods?

A psychopath will use his/her brain to devise a way of killing you quickly and not get caught. A sociopath will just want to kill you won't have thought about the consequences. "

Thanks I get it now after reading a bit about it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't they say that those in high powered jobs such as bankers verge on sociopath tendencies .

No that's psychopaths!

Ones a genetic fault and ones a nurture fault, although they both use the same outcome, they come from different paths!

That's why I wonder if it is just a matter of educational attainment, albeit probably linked to class.

Psychopaths have the veneer of society, the good jobs, the education and it's deemed to be genetic.

Sociopaths have the ASBOS, lower educational attainment and it's deemed to be a result of their upbringing.

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No I think there both personality disorders, one has a tendency to make you wealthy, the other has a tendency to make you poor

Both have strong commonalities: violence, a disregard for social norms, a disregard for the law, a disregard for the feelings of others and no guilt.

I wonder if there has been a study looking at the class origins for sociopaths and psychopaths?

"
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Well if psychopathy is genetic and has a tendency to make you wealthy... I'd guess there's a good chance there the upper class twats the rest of us dislike!

And if sociopathic is nurtured by idiots with no job and morals, and has a tendency to keep you jobless and moraless... Then there'll be the lower class twats the rest of us dislike

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mmmmmm most interesting

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"There appear to be a lot of versus threads at the moment...

Is the main difference between a sociopath and a psychopath nothing more than educational attainment.

"

Let's get technical for a mo'.

Sociopathy is the recognised medical and legal definition of a person exhibiting extreme behaviour characteristised by a lack of empathy.

Psycopathy is what you see on telly/in the movies and is essentially the same thing.

It's a legal/medical difference.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"

I wonder if there has been a study looking at the class origins for sociopaths and psychopaths?

.

Well if psychopathy is genetic and has a tendency to make you wealthy... I'd guess there's a good chance there the upper class twats the rest of us dislike!

And if sociopathic is nurtured by idiots with no job and morals, and has a tendency to keep you jobless and moraless... Then there'll be the lower class twats the rest of us dislike "

Following the genetic idea through, it would be logical to assume that psychopaths would have a psychopath. But that then assumes the gene isn't a n anomaly.

Rich people can be just as bad at nurturing so there should be wealthy sociopaths out there if it is a matter of upbringing.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"There appear to be a lot of versus threads at the moment...

Is the main difference between a sociopath and a psychopath nothing more than educational attainment.

Let's get technical for a mo'.

Sociopathy is the recognised medical and legal definition of a person exhibiting extreme behaviour characteristised by a lack of empathy.

Psycopathy is what you see on telly/in the movies and is essentially the same thing.

It's a legal/medical difference."

So we dress up the sociopaths for public consumption?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I've worked with 4 people with a diagnosis of sociopathy, 2 I knew about the diagnosis before, 2 I did not.

With all of them I had the same feeling; something is deeply wrong here and I do not want to be left alone with this person.

If you ever get that feeling I highly recommend you listen to it.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I've worked with 4 people with a diagnosis of sociopathy, 2 I knew about the diagnosis before, 2 I did not.

With all of them I had the same feeling; something is deeply wrong here and I do not want to be left alone with this person.

If you ever get that feeling I highly recommend you listen to it.

"

I trust my instincts on this too.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"There appear to be a lot of versus threads at the moment...

Is the main difference between a sociopath and a psychopath nothing more than educational attainment.

Let's get technical for a mo'.

Sociopathy is the recognised medical and legal definition of a person exhibiting extreme behaviour characteristised by a lack of empathy.

Psycopathy is what you see on telly/in the movies and is essentially the same thing.

It's a legal/medical difference.

So we dress up the sociopaths for public consumption?

"

Kind of.

The public is more 'comfortable' with the term psycho but it has no legal basis in the UK

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"There appear to be a lot of versus threads at the moment...

Is the main difference between a sociopath and a psychopath nothing more than educational attainment.

Let's get technical for a mo'.

Sociopathy is the recognised medical and legal definition of a person exhibiting extreme behaviour characteristised by a lack of empathy.

Psycopathy is what you see on telly/in the movies and is essentially the same thing.

It's a legal/medical difference.

So we dress up the sociopaths for public consumption?

Kind of.

The public is more 'comfortable' with the term psycho but it has no legal basis in the UK "

My interest is in why one is so firmly believed by some to be genetic and the other a result of their nurturing. The commonalities are there but I accept that for one group it is a neat and planned set of activities and for the other it is chaotic.

Surely planning and neatness could be a result of nurture too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So are we saying they are one and the same thing dressed up differently

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"There appear to be a lot of versus threads at the moment...

Is the main difference between a sociopath and a psychopath nothing more than educational attainment.

Let's get technical for a mo'.

Sociopathy is the recognised medical and legal definition of a person exhibiting extreme behaviour characteristised by a lack of empathy.

Psycopathy is what you see on telly/in the movies and is essentially the same thing.

It's a legal/medical difference.

So we dress up the sociopaths for public consumption?

Kind of.

The public is more 'comfortable' with the term psycho but it has no legal basis in the UK

My interest is in why one is so firmly believed by some to be genetic and the other a result of their nurturing. The commonalities are there but I accept that for one group it is a neat and planned set of activities and for the other it is chaotic.

Surely planning and neatness could be a result of nurture too?

"

I'm in the bath atm

I'll fish out the literature in a bit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A psychopath will have a higher tendency towards violence, sociopath simply means lacks social skills but that does not necessarily means violent behaviour, sociopaths generally feel guilt for any wrong doings where we psychopaths do not feel guilt or emotions

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"So are we saying they are one and the same thing dressed up differently"

That's what I am trying to work out.

There are those that argue that they are one and the same and others that argue they are two very different antisocial personality disorders with very different causes.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Well, now knifes(sic) are mentioned there are a few on here who bring a knife to a gunfight.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I've worked with 4 people with a diagnosis of sociopathy, 2 I knew about the diagnosis before, 2 I did not.

With all of them I had the same feeling; something is deeply wrong here and I do not want to be left alone with this person.

If you ever get that feeling I highly recommend you listen to it.

"

I met a few people like that...

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"A psychopath will have a higher tendency towards violence, sociopath simply means lacks social skills but that does not necessarily means violent behaviour, sociopaths generally feel guilt for any wrong doings where we psychopaths do not feel guilt or emotions "

WE!

What are you trying to tell us NN?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There appear to be a lot of versus threads at the moment...

Is the main difference between a sociopath and a psychopath nothing more than educational attainment.

Let's get technical for a mo'.

Sociopathy is the recognised medical and legal definition of a person exhibiting extreme behaviour characteristised by a lack of empathy.

Psycopathy is what you see on telly/in the movies and is essentially the same thing.

It's a legal/medical difference.

So we dress up the sociopaths for public consumption?

Kind of.

The public is more 'comfortable' with the term psycho but it has no legal basis in the UK

My interest is in why one is so firmly believed by some to be genetic and the other a result of their nurturing. The commonalities are there but I accept that for one group it is a neat and planned set of activities and for the other it is chaotic.

Surely planning and neatness could be a result of nurture too?

I'm in the bath atm

I'll fish out the literature in a bit "

In the bath ?

Pics please

The literature can wait

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I wonder if there has been a study looking at the class origins for sociopaths and psychopaths?

.

Well if psychopathy is genetic and has a tendency to make you wealthy... I'd guess there's a good chance there the upper class twats the rest of us dislike!

And if sociopathic is nurtured by idiots with no job and morals, and has a tendency to keep you jobless and moraless... Then there'll be the lower class twats the rest of us dislike

Following the genetic idea through, it would be logical to assume that psychopaths would have a psychopath. But that then assumes the gene isn't a n anomaly.

Rich people can be just as bad at nurturing so there should be wealthy sociopaths out there if it is a matter of upbringing.

"
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Good genes/bad genres aren't passed on perse every generation though, sometimes they reoccur every time sometimes every other time and sometimes ten generations down the road

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"There appear to be a lot of versus threads at the moment...

Is the main difference between a sociopath and a psychopath nothing more than educational attainment.

Let's get technical for a mo'.

Sociopathy is the recognised medical and legal definition of a person exhibiting extreme behaviour characteristised by a lack of empathy.

Psycopathy is what you see on telly/in the movies and is essentially the same thing.

It's a legal/medical difference.

So we dress up the sociopaths for public consumption?

Kind of.

The public is more 'comfortable' with the term psycho but it has no legal basis in the UK

My interest is in why one is so firmly believed by some to be genetic and the other a result of their nurturing. The commonalities are there but I accept that for one group it is a neat and planned set of activities and for the other it is chaotic.

Surely planning and neatness could be a result of nurture too?

I'm in the bath atm

I'll fish out the literature in a bit

In the bath ?

Pics please

The literature can wait "

Don't encourage him! He WILL send you pictures if you're not careful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A psychopath will have a higher tendency towards violence, sociopath simply means lacks social skills but that does not necessarily means violent behaviour, sociopaths generally feel guilt for any wrong doings where we psychopaths do not feel guilt or emotions

WE!

What are you trying to tell us NN?"

Typo

Saying that my last meet hasn't been on line lately

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Either way both are dangerous beasts surely that's what's important and can they ever be cured or tamed or whatever

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"A psychopath will have a higher tendency towards violence, sociopath simply means lacks social skills but that does not necessarily means violent behaviour, sociopaths generally feel guilt for any wrong doings where we psychopaths do not feel guilt or emotions

WE!

What are you trying to tell us NN?

Typo

Saying that my last meet hasn't been on line lately "

Did you drink Chianti?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Either way both are dangerous beasts surely that's what's important and can they ever be cured or tamed or whatever "

No sociopaths are not necessarily dangerous, that's not to say they can't be but not all all

Some just find it hard to confirm to 'normal' behaviour their lack of social skills makes it hard to fit into society

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"This is a great question. I could Google it but I shall wait to be educated here

You need patience "

Very true

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Either way both are dangerous beasts surely that's what's important and can they ever be cured or tamed or whatever "

They are not necessarily any more dangerous than any one else.

There was a report, about 6 years, that identified that most large corporates have psychopaths at the top and on their boards if you identify them by the common behaviours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath

This link directs to one opinion of how the two disorders are distinct from each other, although it does state in the opening paragraph that professionals in the field cannot agree on this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can take a test on the channel 4 website (proper science!) to give a rough indication of where you fall on the spectrum of psychopathy. I don't even score double figures.

http://psychopath.channel4.com/quizzes.html

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can take a test on the channel 4 website (proper science!) to give a rough indication of where you fall on the spectrum of psychopathy. I don't even score double figures.

http://psychopath.channel4.com/quizzes.html"

I scored 36%

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Probably psychopaths are born with this trait and sociopaths have developed theirs. This does not mean that sociopaths didn't have some latent genetic or other capability at birth that subsequently become activated, when they experienced environmental or developmental triggers for it. And these are only theories.

I've not noticed the threads and what's been said.

These traits are viewed as disorders, as individuals who have them are predisposed to what may be potentially harmful action towards others. Largely they are not as likely as the general population to have intimate and deep relationship bonds with others - and this is especially the case with psychopaths. They both may have a semblance of connection with others but the psychopath will usually plan sophisticated manipulative ways in which to use others for their own gain. They may superficially appear amongst the most charming of people you've met, wanting the best for you etc. But they will create this facade solely for their own gain, from analysing others and crafting their interaction to result in this. Psychopaths won't typically have an empathy with others, even though they may predict others' needs and responses, it will similarly just be for their own ends.

Sociopaths will have more capability for attachments with others though, in comparison with psychopaths, will be more haphazard.

Both types of people will be likely to be rule breakers and disinterested in pursuit of social rules, although the sociopath may be more predictable to follow them, to some extent. They could thus manage to hold down some form of stable employment for longer than psychopaths, due to their willingness to fit in and toe the line, as needed.

If you know these people - and there are a fair few of them around - then it's worthwhile understanding their characteristics, mainly so that you can ensure your well being. If you were to seemingly start a relationship of some sort with a psychopath, then you'd be a bit part player in their scheming, and only worthwhile for them, whilst they can gain something they want from your involvement. If you're looking for romantic involvement, then you'd potentially be prone to deceit, whilst they manipulate the situation and you into believing possibly what you want to believe about them, rather than the different reality.

People in high positions of power tend more to have traits that are closer to the psychopathic personality disorder than the population generally. Both of these types of people may never physically harm anyone but emotional and psychological anguish may be dished out aplenty to others. All in all, you'll potentially not get the deeply intimate relationships with them that you might otherwise cultivate with a different partner. It's a bit late, so I don't feel I've probably done a great job at explaining them - but our understanding is still somewhat shallow too. We don't know that much about our brains, minds, social interaction and developmental as well as genetic influences upon us yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't have to be violent to be dangerous I guess Robert maxwell comes to mind. What a good thread this is

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"You can take a test on the channel 4 website (proper science!) to give a rough indication of where you fall on the spectrum of psychopathy. I don't even score double figures.

http://psychopath.channel4.com/quizzes.html"

Oh, I'd forgotten about this. Thanks, I'll do this little test again.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"

People in high positions of power tend more to have traits that are closer to the psychopathic personality disorder than the population generally. Both of these types of people may never physically harm anyone but emotional and psychological anguish may be dished out aplenty to others. All in all, you'll potentially not get the deeply intimate relationships with them that you might otherwise cultivate with a different partner. It's a bit late, so I don't feel I've probably done a great job at explaining them - but our understanding is still somewhat shallow too. We don't know that much about our brains, minds, social interaction and developmental as well as genetic influences upon us yet."

You've done as well, and better, than anything else posted.

I have wondered whether the internet leads to us connecting more with our inner psychopath.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"You can take a test on the channel 4 website (proper science!) to give a rough indication of where you fall on the spectrum of psychopathy. I don't even score double figures.

http://psychopath.channel4.com/quizzes.html"

30% This is what it says:

You are warm and empathic with a heightened awareness of social responsibility and a strong sense of conscience. You like to carefully weigh up the pros and cons of a situation before you act and are generally averse to taking risks. You are very much a ‘people person’ and dislike conflict. ‘Do unto others…’ are your watchwords. But, although you avoid hurting others, those residing at the higher end of the psychopathic spectrum might not be as considerate, so stay vigilant to avoid being hurt unnecessarily.

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By *sianmale89Man
over a year ago

Stockport

Psychopaths are rather fascinating creatures are they not? can range from serial murderers/rapists/spree killers etc who are the most dangerous of the bunch...

then you have CEO's of business/corporations or managers etc who are effective in their jobs because they have psychopathic tendencies...

fascinating is it not

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"You can take a test on the channel 4 website (proper science!) to give a rough indication of where you fall on the spectrum of psychopathy. I don't even score double figures.

http://psychopath.channel4.com/quizzes.html

30% This is what it says:

You are warm and empathic with a heightened awareness of social responsibility and a strong sense of conscience. You like to carefully weigh up the pros and cons of a situation before you act and are generally averse to taking risks. You are very much a ‘people person’ and dislike conflict. ‘Do unto others…’ are your watchwords. But, although you avoid hurting others, those residing at the higher end of the psychopathic spectrum might not be as considerate, so stay vigilant to avoid being hurt unnecessarily."

I'm 33% with the same descriptors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Either way both are dangerous beasts surely that's what's important and can they ever be cured or tamed or whatever

They are not necessarily any more dangerous than any one else.

There was a report, about 6 years, that identified that most large corporates have psychopaths at the top and on their boards if you identify them by the common behaviours.

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I think it was Goldman Sachs or maybe Morgan Stanley that was fined massively for psychometric testing there dealers... Apparently people with no moral conscience make great bankers... Who'd have funked it

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By *sianmale89Man
over a year ago

Stockport

Imagine that regular day person you see everyday who is calm and composed and friendly for the most part on the outside and polite on one part is hiding something a deep dark secret....

...where there is another side to them like dr jekyl and mr hyde where there is also a murdering/manipulative side which surfaces once in a while....Like Patrick Bateman from American Psycho

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"You can take a test on the channel 4 website (proper science!) to give a rough indication of where you fall on the spectrum of psychopathy. I don't even score double figures.

http://psychopath.channel4.com/quizzes.html

30% This is what it says:

You are warm and empathic with a heightened awareness of social responsibility and a strong sense of conscience. You like to carefully weigh up the pros and cons of a situation before you act and are generally averse to taking risks. You are very much a ‘people person’ and dislike conflict. ‘Do unto others…’ are your watchwords. But, although you avoid hurting others, those residing at the higher end of the psychopathic spectrum might not be as considerate, so stay vigilant to avoid being hurt unnecessarily.

I'm 33% with the same descriptors. "

I'm off the search for the Psychopath Night thread when forum inmates first took the test. I wonder if my score has changed since then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pretty sure my step father is a psychopath. To the outside world he is charming, gregarious, excellent to have around in an emergency, strong social conscience. In private it's a very different story and he's highly manipulative, and takes pleasure in head games. Most rpeople aren't even aware when he's fucking with them.

When I was about 10 we were in the garden feeding my rabbits when my dad's cat appeared from next door. Step father said we ought to kill it to keep the rabbits safe, and made me choose to kill it or let it live. I didn't know what to do, his language was very leading and I knew he wanted me to say yes, so I did as I was afraid not to despite feeling horrified at the thought. He cut it in half with a garden shovel. In manipulating me into making that decision he ensured my collaboration and loyalty for years as we had this hideous secret, and he exhibited a cruelty that made me afraid to challenge him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Doesn't one of them ride his bike on the pavement?"

Your allowed to ride your bike on the pavement in Scotland, but are we all Psycho/sociopaths?

Yes probably.

i hear you all thinking.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

My score has gone down. I was 55% and still not a psychopath according to the test result back then.

I must be getting soft in my dotage.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"My score has gone down. I was 55% and still not a psychopath according to the test result back then.

I must be getting soft in my dotage.

"

Welcome to the nice group *hug*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can take a test on the channel 4 website (proper science!) to give a rough indication of where you fall on the spectrum of psychopathy. I don't even score double figures.

http://psychopath.channel4.com/quizzes.html

30% This is what it says:

You are warm and empathic with a heightened awareness of social responsibility and a strong sense of conscience. You like to carefully weigh up the pros and cons of a situation before you act and are generally averse to taking risks. You are very much a ‘people person’ and dislike conflict. ‘Do unto others…’ are your watchwords. But, although you avoid hurting others, those residing at the higher end of the psychopathic spectrum might not be as considerate, so stay vigilant to avoid being hurt unnecessarily."

27% same description

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I've been trying to work out the UNLOS on that thread .

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/229560

It was easy to work out Obi and Fox and SOTB but some of the others I can't work out.

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By *-ManMan
over a year ago

Kark

Without reading the thread, I'd say a Psychos acts impulsively and normally get caught pretty easy. Socios are much more planned and cunning and often get away with their crimes.

Also not all Socios and Phychos are killers, just potential to be one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

44%

Though your conscience is in the right place you also have a pragmatic streak and generally aren’t afraid to do your own dirty work! You’re no shrinking violet - but no daredevil either. You generally have little trouble seeing things from another person’s perspective but, at the same time, are no pushover. ‘Everything in moderation – including moderation’ might sum up your approach to life.....

Don't sound like me

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Without reading the thread, I'd say a Psychos acts impulsively and normally get caught pretty easy. Socios are much more planned and cunning and often get away with their crimes.

Also not all Socios and Phychos are killers, just potential to be one "

Swap the descriptors around and you'll have the general view right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Without reading the thread, I'd say a Psychos acts impulsively and normally get caught pretty easy. Socios are much more planned and cunning and often get away with their crimes.

Also not all Socios and Phychos are killers, just potential to be one "

I would have thought it was the other way around

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"44%

Though your conscience is in the right place you also have a pragmatic streak and generally aren’t afraid to do your own dirty work! You’re no shrinking violet - but no daredevil either. You generally have little trouble seeing things from another person’s perspective but, at the same time, are no pushover. ‘Everything in moderation – including moderation’ might sum up your approach to life.....

Don't sound like me "

That's what I used to be on that test.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"44%

Though your conscience is in the right place you also have a pragmatic streak and generally aren’t afraid to do your own dirty work! You’re no shrinking violet - but no daredevil either. You generally have little trouble seeing things from another person’s perspective but, at the same time, are no pushover. ‘Everything in moderation – including moderation’ might sum up your approach to life.....

Don't sound like me

That's what I used to be on that test.

"
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... Where did it all go wrong for us, well me you've clearly gone less nuts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Kind of.

The public is more 'comfortable' with the term psycho but it has no legal basis in the UK

My interest is in why one is so firmly believed by some to be genetic and the other a result of their nurturing. The commonalities are there but I accept that for one group it is a neat and planned set of activities and for the other it is chaotic.

Surely planning and neatness could be a result of nurture too?

I'm in the bath atm

I'll fish out the literature in a bit

In the bath ?

Pics please

The literature can wait

Don't encourage him! He WILL send you pictures if you're not careful. "

He can feel free to send them to me too lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

58%

Though your conscience is in the right place you also have a pragmatic streak and generally aren’t afraid to do your own dirty work! You’re no shrinking violet - but no daredevil either. You generally have little trouble seeing things from another person’s perspective but, at the same time, are no pushover. ‘Everything in moderation – including moderation’ might sum up your approach to life.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Right.

The legal definition of psychopaths & sociopaths fit under the category of antisocial personality disorders.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Psychopaths+and+Sociopaths

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Researchers have noted that there appear to be at least two different conceptions of psychopathy, each with differing policy implications.

Jennifer L. Skeem et al. distinguished Cleckleyan psychopathy (named after Hervey Cleckley's early conception of psychopathy, entailing bold, disinhibited behavior, low anxiety and "feckless disregard") and criminal psychopathy (a "meaner, more aggressively disinhibited conception of psychopathy that explicitly entails persistent and sometimes serious criminal behavior", typically operationalized with the Psychopathy Checklist).

Due to the profound implications that a label of "psychopath" can have—including in terms of decisions about punishment severity, treatment,&c.—efforts have been made to clarify the meaning of the term, e.g. by reconciling seemingly disparate conceptions such as those mentioned.

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By *lmost naked chefMan
over a year ago

porthmadog

Im a loverpath...??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death.

Why though? Not why do they kill you but why do they use those methods?

A psychopath will use his/her brain to devise a way of killing you quickly and not get caught. A sociopath will just want to kill you won't have thought about the consequences.

Thanks I get it now after reading a bit about it... "

I made it up lol Uneducated guessing

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By *-ManMan
over a year ago

Kark


"Without reading the thread, I'd say a Psychos acts impulsively and normally get caught pretty easy. Socios are much more planned and cunning and often get away with their crimes.

Also not all Socios and Phychos are killers, just potential to be one

Swap the descriptors around and you'll have the general view right.

"

Ah right, always get them mixed up, not surprising, dam you to hell sexdaily, I mean, dyslexia

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Causes:

In short, the jury's out... but...

Psychopathy and sociopathy are anti-social personality disorders.

While both these disorders are the result of an interaction between genetic predispositions and environmental factors, psychopathy is used when the underlying cause leans towards the hereditary.

Sociopath is the term used when the antisocial behavior is a result of a brain injury or belief system and upbringing.

In recent years, the term psychopath has acquired a specific meaning and the condition is now more widely understood.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't there a pretty much defined definition, psychotic tendencies are thought to be genetic and sociopathic tendencies are developmental.

Also psychopaths tend to cross a line

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Sociopaths and psychopaths both face medical disorders that can be treated or alleviated if properly diagnosed.

Treatment involves therapies and may involve proper medication.

In fact, psychiatrists often don't distinguish between the two based on behavior; instead, they label a person with ASPD a sociopath if their mental condition is a result of mainly social conditions like abuse during childhood and a psychopath if the condition is mainly congenital.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

If yr really worried, the Channel 4 website has a Psychopath Test that you can take.

I'm doing it now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sociopaths and psychopaths both face medical disorders that can be treated or alleviated if properly diagnosed.

Treatment involves therapies and may involve proper medication.

In fact, psychiatrists often don't distinguish between the two based on behavior; instead, they label a person with ASPD a sociopath if their mental condition is a result of mainly social conditions like abuse during childhood and a psychopath if the condition is mainly congenital."

I went with psycho being of the brain and socio being of society when I made up my answer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guess what this is origin of the word

Lunatic

Nowadays, most of us would describe a lunatic as a person of unsound mind. But in the Middle Ages, one might describe a lunatic as a person who is acting under the influence of luna, the Latin word for “moon.” The notion that the moon causes certain kinds of madness or evokes dangerous aspects of our personalities has been around for millennia; Aristotle suggested that the moon could cause insanity by manipulating fluids in the brain, much in the same way it commands the tides.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"If yr really worried, the Channel 4 website has a Psychopath Test that you can take.

I'm doing it now.

"

I'm 55% psychopathic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Psychopaths have the veneer of society, the good jobs, the education and it's deemed to be genetic.

"

Most phsycopaths tend to be subnormal intelligence while charming and manipulative most don't grasp consequences and little implies control so don't ever achieve much, some go on to be serial killers but most are just petty criminals lost in the penal system over and over for pointless violent crimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If yr really worried, the Channel 4 website has a Psychopath Test that you can take.

I'm doing it now.

"

I got 12%

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"If yr really worried, the Channel 4 website has a Psychopath Test that you can take.

I'm doing it now.

I got 12% "

Aww, you're much nicer than me

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I wouldn't hold much sway with the online types of tests that can be done, whether via channel 4 or whoever. We'll have our own inherent cognitive biases that will influence our results, whereas a trained individual who is professionally able to assess you is going to be much more appropriate and accurate.

The nature vs nurture influences upon these and other traits is typically assessed via studies of twins. They would compare twins who've been separated at birth with twins who haven't been, and observe the incidences of such traits amongst them and whether separation affects this. In other words, if separated twins have matching traits, then the trait is likely to be genetic or due to some experience in the womb.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I wouldn't hold much sway with the online types of tests that can be done, whether via channel 4 or whoever. We'll have our own inherent cognitive biases that will influence our results, whereas a trained individual who is professionally able to assess you is going to be much more appropriate and accurate.

The nature vs nurture influences upon these and other traits is typically assessed via studies of twins. They would compare twins who've been separated at birth with twins who haven't been, and observe the incidences of such traits amongst them and whether separation affects this. In other words, if separated twins have matching traits, then the trait is likely to be genetic or due to some experience in the womb."

I don't think anyone was taking the test seriously.

That said, since taking it the first time and then last night there have been changes in my life and I did have a little think about whether losing that harder, colder edge might be why I am doing slightly different work these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Causes:

In short, the jury's out... but...

Psychopathy and sociopathy are anti-social personality disorders.

While both these disorders are the result of an interaction between genetic predispositions and environmental factors, psychopathy is used when the underlying cause leans towards the hereditary.

Sociopath is the term used when the antisocial behavior is a result of a brain injury or belief system and upbringing.

In recent years, the term psychopath has acquired a specific meaning and the condition is now more widely understood."

I thought they were the same thing.

I believe Sociopath was a phrase coined in the late 19th century.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm only 45% psychopath. I think I'm not impulsive enough.

I've read before that if you're worried you might be a psychopath, you're not a psychopath. Because if you were a psychopath, you wouldn't be worried about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If yr really worried, the Channel 4 website has a Psychopath Test that you can take.

I'm doing it now.

I got 12% "

Should I be worried at 48%?

My survey says no

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I'm only 45% psychopath. I think I'm not impulsive enough.

I've read before that if you're worried you might be a psychopath, you're not a psychopath. Because if you were a psychopath, you wouldn't be worried about it."

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"If yr really worried, the Channel 4 website has a Psychopath Test that you can take.

I'm doing it now.

I got 12% "

I didn't get a score,

I got annoyed half-way through by the personal nature of the questions and ended up murdering the questioner.

Is that bad?

Mr ddc

(Not really, who doesn't like kittens?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm only 45% psychopath. I think I'm not impulsive enough.

I've read before that if you're worried you might be a psychopath, you're not a psychopath. Because if you were a psychopath, you wouldn't be worried about it."

Psychopaths can choose whether they care or not according to the book that spawned said quiz, so it doesn't matter either way. Sociopathy doesn't come with that choice

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By *ark074Man
over a year ago

nottingham

64%

The verdict:

Though your conscience is in the right place you also have a pragmatic streak and generally aren’t afraid to do your own dirty work! You’re no shrinking violet - but no daredevil either. You generally have little trouble seeing things from another person’s perspective but, at the same time, are no pushover. ‘Everything in moderation – including moderation’ might sum up your approach to life.

I think that's just about spot on. Didn't expect that. Quite chuffed really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If yr really worried, the Channel 4 website has a Psychopath Test that you can take.

I'm doing it now.

I got 12%

I didn't get a score,

I got annoyed half-way through by the personal nature of the questions and ended up murdering the questioner.

Is that bad?

Mr ddc

(Not really, who doesn't like kittens?)

"

It's not specific enough. I'd choose tropical fish over badger kittens.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"64%

The verdict:

Though your conscience is in the right place you also have a pragmatic streak and generally aren’t afraid to do your own dirty work! You’re no shrinking violet - but no daredevil either. You generally have little trouble seeing things from another person’s perspective but, at the same time, are no pushover. ‘Everything in moderation – including moderation’ might sum up your approach to life.

I think that's just about spot on. Didn't expect that. Quite chuffed really. "
I got that as well but I only scored 36%

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Psychopaths and sociopaths are both classed as anti- social personality disorders. It is debateble but generally psychopaths are cold and organised, they are manipulative and mimic emotion but have very few if any emotional understanding, crimes are highly planned and meticulous the origin of the disorder is thought to be largely genetic. They can be highly intelligent but not always high achievers.

Sociopaths are thought to be more of a nurture origin and often link to childhood trauma. They are nervous and disorganised prone to emotional outbursts and rage, they can form emotional attachments often inappropriate. Crimes are haphazard and disorganised, others often see them as mad or weird. Tend not to be high achievers nor successful.

Most of the more famous serial killers like Bundy etc are psychopathic, not the Yorkshire ripper tho he was as mad as a fish

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By *ark074Man
over a year ago

nottingham


"64%

The verdict:

Though your conscience is in the right place you also have a pragmatic streak and generally aren’t afraid to do your own dirty work! You’re no shrinking violet - but no daredevil either. You generally have little trouble seeing things from another person’s perspective but, at the same time, are no pushover. ‘Everything in moderation – including moderation’ might sum up your approach to life.

I think that's just about spot on. Didn't expect that. Quite chuffed really. I got that as well but I only scored 36%"

I imagine it says that to everyone bar below 10%=victim and above 90%=psycho.

Still I might use it as my new profile text.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I got 36% so just squeezed into the bottom end of moderate...

I'm pretty sure my boss at work is a sociopath.

He can be very charming when he wants, but managers on a divide and conquer method. He also takes any suggestion as a personal attack, and is prone to making threats to go through disciplinary / similar.

Fortunately for me, I dealt with his attempts at behind my back attack early on and he knows not to push his luck.

Nita

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

*manages...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm only 45% psychopath. I think I'm not impulsive enough.

I've read before that if you're worried you might be a psychopath, you're not a psychopath. Because if you were a psychopath, you wouldn't be worried about it.

Psychopaths can choose whether they care or not according to the book that spawned said quiz, so it doesn't matter either way. Sociopathy doesn't come with that choice"

Rubbish. Psychopathy by definition means you have no remorse, compassion guilt, or empathy.

I know because my brother is one and has been "Away" for 20 years. I have a borderline personality disorder. Its the above emotions which make us different.

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By *ishopstippleMan
over a year ago

Purley

Why ?

I don't give a damn what you think

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By *lacksausageMan
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death.

Why though? Not why do they kill you but why do they use those methods?

A psychopath will use his/her brain to devise a way of killing you quickly and not get caught. A sociopath will just want to kill you won't have thought about the consequences.

Thanks I get it now after reading a bit about it...

I made it up lol Uneducated guessing "

So, if you found a Ferrari in your living room with steam coming out of the mangled bonnet and all you can think of is "who did this to such an expensive car?", which side of the divide will you be?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in this area, and particularly with people with Anti-Social Personality Disorders. Psychopathy is very different to ASPD and treated (if at all) by very different methods. Broadly speaking, people with ASPD are still capable of empathy and can therefore be treated by behavioral psychotherapy methods - Dialectic and Mentalization Based being the current best research methods. Psychopaths, if able to respond to treatment at all, tend to use more psychodynamic approaches.

Sociopathy is not generally used as a diagnosis in this country.

HTH

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death.

Why though? Not why do they kill you but why do they use those methods?

A psychopath will use his/her brain to devise a way of killing you quickly and not get caught. A sociopath will just want to kill you won't have thought about the consequences.

Thanks I get it now after reading a bit about it...

I made it up lol Uneducated guessing

So, if you found a Ferrari in your living room with steam coming out of the mangled bonnet and all you can think of is "who did this to such an expensive car?", which side of the divide will you be? "

The wrong side. It's been delivered finally just needs a bit of sprucing then it's mine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

So, if you found a Ferrari in your living room with steam coming out of the mangled bonnet and all you can think of is "who did this to such an expensive car?", which side of the divide will you be? "

Neither, you'd just be a dick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in this area, and particularly with people with Anti-Social Personality Disorders. Psychopathy is very different to ASPD and treated (if at all) by very different methods. Broadly speaking, people with ASPD are still capable of empathy and can therefore be treated by behavioral psychotherapy methods - Dialectic and Mentalization Based being the current best research methods. Psychopaths, if able to respond to treatment at all, tend to use more psychodynamic approaches.

Sociopathy is not generally used as a diagnosis in this country.

HTH"

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By *lacksausageMan
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport


"

So, if you found a Ferrari in your living room with steam coming out of the mangled bonnet and all you can think of is "who did this to such an expensive car?", which side of the divide will you be?

Neither, you'd just be a dick. "

A dick? I am very uncomfortable with such words.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death.

Why though? Not why do they kill you but why do they use those methods?

A psychopath will use his/her brain to devise a way of killing you quickly and not get caught. A sociopath will just want to kill you won't have thought about the consequences. "

A sociopath isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the box, whereas a psychopath uses the sharpest tool in the box

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By *lacksausageMan
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death.

Why though? Not why do they kill you but why do they use those methods?

A psychopath will use his/her brain to devise a way of killing you quickly and not get caught. A sociopath will just want to kill you won't have thought

about the consequences.

A sociopath isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the box, whereas a psychopath uses the sharpest tool in the box "

Ouch!!

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By *rs Mia WallaceWoman
over a year ago

Bathwyche

Its quite alot to do with the neurostructure, psychopaths have reduced volume in limbic system.....meaning reading emotion is difficult....and more likely to have had environmental factors, cld be a brain injury or social factors during upbringing that turn them into killers. Hence why not all psychopaths kill.

A sociopath can be equally callous, cold, lying, manipulative, disregard for others feelings.... abit like an addict but with out the drugs.!

Funnily enough, i met one from on here! His poor wife

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death.

Why though? Not why do they kill you but why do they use those methods? "

i feel psychopaths is wielding personal 'power' from sense of freedom to be 'able' to do so..

sociopaths wield 'personal power' from their sense of insecurity..and therefore punishment/blame..hence why one would just kill with a knife, and one would actually stand there and beat you to death..having lived with the latter..i know that's where his stemmed from, so its an educated guess, as to the similarities and differences...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Psychopaths kill you with knives,sociopaths beat you to death. "

One uses a craft knife, the other uses Sabatier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Psychopaths are rather fascinating creatures are they not? can range from serial murderers/rapists/spree killers etc who are the most dangerous of the bunch...

then you have CEO's of business/corporations or managers etc who are effective in their jobs because they have psychopathic tendencies...

There was a tv prog that was about psychopaths it called them who in normal life it never comes out but those that got called up in times of war where un merciless killers and by the opposite others shot their weapons but aimed to miss.

fascinating is it not "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Psychopaths are rather fascinating creatures are they not? can range from serial murderers/rapists/spree killers etc who are the most dangerous of the bunch...

then you have CEO's of business/corporations or managers etc who are effective in their jobs because they have psychopathic tendencies...

There was a tv prog that was about psychopaths it called them who in normal life it never comes out but those that got called up in times of war where un merciless killers and by the opposite others shot their weapons but aimed to miss.

fascinating is it not "

The book was cowritten by Andy McNabb. Ex SAS author. Along with Kevin Dutton, they covered areas for developing good psychopathy as a self help guide for developing the ability to make decisions faster and more effectively by assessing situations better. My score is definitely higher than it was originally, and I think fab has contributed to this somewhat also, giving me tougher skin mentally

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"I'm pretty sure my step father is a psychopath. To the outside world he is charming, gregarious, excellent to have around in an emergency, strong social conscience. In private it's a very different story and he's highly manipulative, and takes pleasure in head games. Most rpeople aren't even aware when he's fucking with them.

When I was about 10 we were in the garden feeding my rabbits when my dad's cat appeared from next door. Step father said we ought to kill it to keep the rabbits safe, and made me choose to kill it or let it live. I didn't know what to do, his language was very leading and I knew he wanted me to say yes, so I did as I was afraid not to despite feeling horrified at the thought. He cut it in half with a garden shovel. In manipulating me into making that decision he ensured my collaboration and loyalty for years as we had this hideous secret, and he exhibited a cruelty that made me afraid to challenge him.

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Was no-one else horrified reading this. That must have been pretty traumatic for you...

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I think I'd better get an exclusion notice in the FORUM INSURANCE paperwork - no sociopaths or psychopaths. Too much trouble to work out who should pay the higher premium - simpler to just exclude.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He killed a cat by cutting it in half with a spade and carried on with his day?

Yeah he's probably a psychopath.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm pretty sure my step father is a psychopath. To the outside world he is charming, gregarious, excellent to have around in an emergency, strong social conscience. In private it's a very different story and he's highly manipulative, and takes pleasure in head games. Most rpeople aren't even aware when he's fucking with them.

When I was about 10 we were in the garden feeding my rabbits when my dad's cat appeared from next door. Step father said we ought to kill it to keep the rabbits safe, and made me choose to kill it or let it live. I didn't know what to do, his language was very leading and I knew he wanted me to say yes, so I did as I was afraid not to despite feeling horrified at the thought. He cut it in half with a garden shovel. In manipulating me into making that decision he ensured my collaboration and loyalty for years as we had this hideous secret, and he exhibited a cruelty that made me afraid to challenge him.

Was no-one else horrified reading this. That must have been pretty traumatic for you..."

I missed this. Holy fuck, how horrible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm pretty sure my step father is a psychopath. To the outside world he is charming, gregarious, excellent to have around in an emergency, strong social conscience. In private it's a very different story and he's highly manipulative, and takes pleasure in head games. Most rpeople aren't even aware when he's fucking with them.

When I was about 10 we were in the garden feeding my rabbits when my dad's cat appeared from next door. Step father said we ought to kill it to keep the rabbits safe, and made me choose to kill it or let it live. I didn't know what to do, his language was very leading and I knew he wanted me to say yes, so I did as I was afraid not to despite feeling horrified at the thought. He cut it in half with a garden shovel. In manipulating me into making that decision he ensured my collaboration and loyalty for years as we had this hideous secret, and he exhibited a cruelty that made me afraid to challenge him.

Was no-one else horrified reading this. That must have been pretty traumatic for you..."

Not as traumatic as revisiting these events as an adult and seeing them for what they are.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I'm pretty sure my step father is a psychopath. To the outside world he is charming, gregarious, excellent to have around in an emergency, strong social conscience. In private it's a very different story and he's highly manipulative, and takes pleasure in head games. Most rpeople aren't even aware when he's fucking with them.

When I was about 10 we were in the garden feeding my rabbits when my dad's cat appeared from next door. Step father said we ought to kill it to keep the rabbits safe, and made me choose to kill it or let it live. I didn't know what to do, his language was very leading and I knew he wanted me to say yes, so I did as I was afraid not to despite feeling horrified at the thought. He cut it in half with a garden shovel. In manipulating me into making that decision he ensured my collaboration and loyalty for years as we had this hideous secret, and he exhibited a cruelty that made me afraid to challenge him.

Was no-one else horrified reading this. That must have been pretty traumatic for you..."

Absolutely - this was a terrible thing that she was forced to do, as a child, without the freedom of choice that we'd have as adults. I was sickened when I read it earlier, on the move. It makes me so angry that this horrible excuse for an adult, with parental responsibilities would have abused his position of trust in such a vile way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's ex foreign legion.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's ex foreign legion."

Not sure if that's relevant but I believe his personality is more suited to that sort of career than more empathetic types.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Hugs and love NellGwynn - I'm sorry that you were forced to experience that, and to relive it somewhat as an adult.

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Hugs and love NellGwynn - I'm sorry that you were forced to experience that, and to relive it somewhat as an adult. "

Me too,that's incredibly disturbing to read nevermind living it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hugs and love NellGwynn - I'm sorry that you were forced to experience that, and to relive it somewhat as an adult. "

Oh thanks but there's no need. I dealt with it all some years ago now. I'm bloody amazed I haven't developed ASPD as a result of my upbringing to be honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That explains it, special forces soldiers are more than likely to show psychopathic tendencies per capita compared to the general public.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That explains it, special forces soldiers are more than likely to show psychopathic tendencies per capita compared to the general public.

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That's because they can be paid to kill conversely, vets, drs, and bankers show similar tendencies in terms of mental layout

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are a lot of phychopaths in politics as well. They may not kill directly, but their policies do. Very educational thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bankers?

Not really, drs and vets have an underlying sense of empathy and compassion. Being able to kill something doesn't necessarily determine ones mental state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bankers?

Not really, drs and vets have an underlying sense of empathy and compassion. Being able to kill something doesn't necessarily determine ones mental state.

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That they can disconnect from it at all is psychopathic tendencies, when they reconnect, they do feel shame and pity etc. I did read your previous message about your brother, so I am aware of where you're coming from about the switching I mentioned previously, however, it has also been mentioned that sociopathy is not a diagnosis here in the UK. Just a theory, and not all theories are correct

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Disconnect?

Vets and drs don't disconnect when they kill people or animals

They do it with compassion remorse and regret. Not guilt.

Psychopaths do not feel compassion or remorse.

Ergo

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"I'm pretty sure my step father is a psychopath. To the outside world he is charming, gregarious, excellent to have around in an emergency, strong social conscience. In private it's a very different story and he's highly manipulative, and takes pleasure in head games. Most rpeople aren't even aware when he's fucking with them.

When I was about 10 we were in the garden feeding my rabbits when my dad's cat appeared from next door. Step father said we ought to kill it to keep the rabbits safe, and made me choose to kill it or let it live. I didn't know what to do, his language was very leading and I knew he wanted me to say yes, so I did as I was afraid not to despite feeling horrified at the thought. He cut it in half with a garden shovel. In manipulating me into making that decision he ensured my collaboration and loyalty for years as we had this hideous secret, and he exhibited a cruelty that made me afraid to challenge him.

Was no-one else horrified reading this. That must have been pretty traumatic for you..."
Yes I was Surprised it did,nt get a response, quite a harrowing story Indeed.

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

The standard classification of disease tool is ICD-10 which does use both terms and both are classified under the broad heading of Anti-Social Personslity Disorder. That by no means implies all ASPD sufferers are psychopaths in fact only a small number and a tiny number hit the severe psychopathic disorder criteria that is more controversial. But in essence all Psychopaths have ASPD just a extreme manifestation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm pretty sure my step father is a psychopath. To the outside world he is charming, gregarious, excellent to have around in an emergency, strong social conscience. In private it's a very different story and he's highly manipulative, and takes pleasure in head games. Most rpeople aren't even aware when he's fucking with them.

When I was about 10 we were in the garden feeding my rabbits when my dad's cat appeared from next door. Step father said we ought to kill it to keep the rabbits safe, and made me choose to kill it or let it live. I didn't know what to do, his language was very leading and I knew he wanted me to say yes, so I did as I was afraid not to despite feeling horrified at the thought. He cut it in half with a garden shovel. In manipulating me into making that decision he ensured my collaboration and loyalty for years as we had this hideous secret, and he exhibited a cruelty that made me afraid to challenge him.

Was no-one else horrified reading this. That must have been pretty traumatic for you...Yes I was Surprised it did,nt get a response, quite a harrowing story Indeed."

It's ok. I imagine people don't know what an appropriate response is so they don't say anything. Totally understandable and human.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm pretty sure my step father is a psychopath. To the outside world he is charming, gregarious, excellent to have around in an emergency, strong social conscience. In private it's a very different story and he's highly manipulative, and takes pleasure in head games. Most rpeople aren't even aware when he's fucking with them.

When I was about 10 we were in the garden feeding my rabbits when my dad's cat appeared from next door. Step father said we ought to kill it to keep the rabbits safe, and made me choose to kill it or let it live. I didn't know what to do, his language was very leading and I knew he wanted me to say yes, so I did as I was afraid not to despite feeling horrified at the thought. He cut it in half with a garden shovel. In manipulating me into making that decision he ensured my collaboration and loyalty for years as we had this hideous secret, and he exhibited a cruelty that made me afraid to challenge him.

Was no-one else horrified reading this. That must have been pretty traumatic for you...Yes I was Surprised it did,nt get a response, quite a harrowing story Indeed.

It's ok. I imagine people don't know what an appropriate response is so they don't say anything. Totally understandable and human."

it's sad, but it's true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It's ok. I imagine people don't know what an appropriate response is so they don't say anything. Totally understandable and human."

More likely that the ones that care enough just missed it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The standard classification of disease tool is ICD-10 which does use both terms and both are classified under the broad heading of Anti-Social Personslity Disorder. That by no means implies all ASPD sufferers are psychopaths in fact only a small number and a tiny number hit the severe psychopathic disorder criteria that is more controversial. But in essence all Psychopaths have ASPD just a extreme manifestation "

The ICD-10, like the DSM-V, is an extremely broad tool.

Research into Personality Disorder has grown exponentially in recent years and the separation of psychopathy from ASPD is now generally accepted in psychology terms,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're not really separate though. All psychopaths have an extreme personaity disorder

Apsd is an umbrella of which various disorders come under.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"

It's ok. I imagine people don't know what an appropriate response is so they don't say anything. Totally understandable and human.

More likely that the ones that care enough just missed it "

I didn't feel able to respond last night. I was shocked that my pondering would elicit such an horrific story and I couldn't find any form of words that I could place on the thread that wouldn't sound glib.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They're not really separate though. All psychopaths have an extreme personaity disorder

Apsd is an umbrella of which various disorders come under."

Well, there are certainly different views. At the last meeting to decide the symptoms and traits of various personality disorders for the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders several eminent psychiatrists and psychologists walked out because definitions couldn't be agreed upon - this illustrative of the disagreements even within experts in the field. This is still a very nascent area of research of which I believe we are at the forefront here in the UK. The point of view which entirely separates ASPD from psychopathy is prevalent in forensic thinking currently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly, different views.

I think we're splitting hairs now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Exactly, different views.

I think we're splitting hairs now. "

Yeah lol, it's still interesting though getting other peoples opinions

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