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By *isexmistress OP Woman
over a year ago

Prestwich

Feeling outraged,disappointed tho not surprised at the Airman in uniform being asked to move out of sight` so as not to offend other visitors`

REALLY?

It is precisely because of guys and girls like him that we can have minorities,free speech,freedom to express differing viewpoints..

IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY THE UNIFORM,THEN BE OFFENDED AND ALSO ACCEPT MY/MANY OTHERS VIEW THAT UNIFORMS IN PUBLIC ARE FINE AND SOMETHING TO BE RESPECTED.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I'm always surprised to see the forces in uniform round the shops and such. I have an old fashioned view on it that they should wear civvies when off base. Dunno why because we owe the forces a great deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm always surprised to see the forces in uniform round the shops and such. I have an old fashioned view on it that they should wear civvies when off base. Dunno why because we owe the forces a great deal. "

I always think they are collecting for something. but what happened in hospital was wrong. and we all know why.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Apparently there had been an altercation in that a&e previously when someone had a pop at a chap in uniform so they moved him to be on the safe side.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What happened?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Oh. I'm assuming something has happened? I don't watch a lot of television and haven't seen the news today.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

Need to get up to date on this, news just came on.......

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"What happened?"

Chap in army had an accident training at manston airfield so was taken to QEQM hospital in Margate. They told him to wait away from the waiting area (inside the hospital just In a seperate area) in case it upset other people. It's all kicked off in the paper but apparently it's because previously some othet incident between a civvy and a chap in uniform kicked off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why should we respect someone just because they wear a uniform? I don't agree with that as a uniform doesn't guarantee that person is worthy of respect.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"What happened?

You could see that from either way though - for his benefit or theirs. I hope it was for his

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By *ivnwcplCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

"Feeling outraged,disappointed tho not surprised at the Airman in uniform being asked to move out of sight` so as not to offend other visitors`

REALLY?

It is precisely because of guys and girls like him that we can have minorities,free speech,freedom to express differing viewpoints..

IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY THE UNIFORM,THEN BE OFFENDED AND ALSO ACCEPT MY/MANY OTHERS VIEW THAT UNIFORMS IN PUBLIC ARE FINE AND SOMETHING TO BE RESPECTED.

It will only get worse and worse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not that you can't respect someone in a uniform, but i've seen a lot of poor behaviour from people in them and they think they can get away with it because people respect that uniform.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"What happened?

You could see that from either way though - for his benefit or theirs. I hope it was for his

Well I live fairly local and unfortunately have spent a bit of time at the a&e there's no security present so if that's true about doing it to be on the safe side I don't blame them. It's not like they made him go stand out in the street.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently there had been an altercation in that a&e previously when someone had a pop at a chap in uniform so they moved him to be on the safe side. "

Yes. A certain amount of misreporting has gone on here. It is certainly not right for someone to have a pop at someone just because they are in uniform (though no one has yet said exactly what happened previously) but the hospital staff seemed to act out of his best interests.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"Feeling outraged,disappointed tho not surprised at the Airman in uniform being asked to move out of sight` so as not to offend other visitors`

REALLY?

It is precisely because of guys and girls like him that we can have minorities,free speech,freedom to express differing viewpoints..

IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY THE UNIFORM,THEN BE OFFENDED AND ALSO ACCEPT MY/MANY OTHERS VIEW THAT UNIFORMS IN PUBLIC ARE FINE AND SOMETHING TO BE RESPECTED.

I disagree with part of your post.

Firstly very proud of our servicemen, they do a brilliant job. Normally in not the best situations either.

Secondly, I don't that our servicemen should wear their uniforms in public, I seem to recall that during the troubles military personnel were told not to wear the uniforms in public. It was deemed they could be a target for a terrorist, I think that should be enforced now.

I still can't believe that happened, that is not right on so many levels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think as he was injured getting changed out of his uniform was the last thing on his mind perhaps?

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Feeling outraged,disappointed tho not surprised at the Airman in uniform being asked to move out of sight` so as not to offend other visitors`

REALLY?

It is precisely because of guys and girls like him that we can have minorities,free speech,freedom to express differing viewpoints..

IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY THE UNIFORM,THEN BE OFFENDED AND ALSO ACCEPT MY/MANY OTHERS VIEW THAT UNIFORMS IN PUBLIC ARE FINE AND SOMETHING TO BE RESPECTED.

I disagree with part of your post.

Firstly very proud of our servicemen, they do a brilliant job. Normally in not the best situations either.

I still can't believe that happened, that is not right on so many levels."

He wasn't in public he was training nearby at an airfield.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I always think they are collecting for something. but what happened in hospital was wrong. and we all know why."

Do we 'all know why'..?

what has been said by the hospital in their statement is that there was a row previously so in the case reported it could be said they used a bit of common sense..

unless you of course know the details of the first instance..?

speaking as someone who attended A&E for injuries on dutyboth personally and with colleagues on more than one occasion we were often moved straight into the treatment area as were the police..

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By *isexmistress OP Woman
over a year ago

Prestwich

"Not that you can't respect someone in a uniform, but i've seen a lot of poor behaviour from people in them and they think they can get away with it because people respect that uniform."
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there will always be individual cases..

im obviously talking `generally`

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not that you can't respect someone in a uniform, but i've seen a lot of poor behaviour from people in them and they think they can get away with it because people respect that uniform.#

there will always be individual cases..

im obviously talking `generally` "

It's ok, i accidently took it out of context what you said anyway, just realised that now. Sorry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should we respect someone just because they wear a uniform? I don't agree with that as a uniform doesn't guarantee that person is worthy of respect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bringing back national service would eradicate this problem.

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By *isexmistress OP Woman
over a year ago

Prestwich

I always think they are collecting for something. but what happened in hospital was wrong. and we all know why.

Do we 'all know why'..?

what has been said by the hospital in their statement is that there was a row previously so in the case reported it could be said they used a bit of common sense..

unless you of course know the details of the first instance..?

speaking as someone who attended A&E for injuries on dutyboth personally and with colleagues on more than one occasion we were often moved straight into the treatment area as were the police..

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Being moved STRAIGHT to the treatment areas saves 4hrs waiting so, brilliant...

If people are moved to be out of sight of other people ,then thats a crying shame and isnt right ,is my point.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Apparently there had been an altercation in that a&e previously when someone had a pop at a chap in uniform so they moved him to be on the safe side.

misreporting and outrage??? you do surprise me!!

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Apparently there had been an altercation in that a&e previously when someone had a pop at a chap in uniform so they moved him to be on the safe side.

misreporting and outrage??? you do surprise me!!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bringing back national service would eradicate this problem.

Er, how?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should we respect someone just because they wear a uniform? I don't agree with that as a uniform doesn't guarantee that person is worthy of respect.

I start from the position that all other people are worthy of my basic respect unless they show otherwise by their behaviour.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Stick a couple of guys with him with their L85A2s and a lot less people would try to fuck with him.

I think its disgraceful to move Service personnel out of the way because some people might take offense. Its the people who take offense who have the problem. This is the argue for breastfeeding women and I do see why it should be any different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should we respect someone just because they wear a uniform? I don't agree with that as a uniform doesn't guarantee that person is worthy of respect.

I start from the position that all other people are worthy of my basic respect unless they show otherwise by their behaviour. "

I accidently took their quote out of context and thought they were saying we should respect everyone just coz they wear a uniform. They were saying something else.

But i have seen the ugly side of people who think a uniform gives them the right to do what they want coz people won't believe they're bad people.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Why should we respect someone just because they wear a uniform? I don't agree with that as a uniform doesn't guarantee that person is worthy of respect.

I start from the position that all other people are worthy of my basic respect unless they show otherwise by their behaviour.

I accidently took their quote out of context and thought they were saying we should respect everyone just coz they wear a uniform. They were saying something else.

But i have seen the ugly side of people who think a uniform gives them the right to do what they want coz people won't believe they're bad people."

I believe that you should show someone respect, until they do something to prove they are not worthy of it. Are you saying you treat everyone without respect until they prove they are worthy of it? Or am I just completely getting the wrong end of the stick here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should we respect someone just because they wear a uniform? I don't agree with that as a uniform doesn't guarantee that person is worthy of respect.

I start from the position that all other people are worthy of my basic respect unless they show otherwise by their behaviour.

I accidently took their quote out of context and thought they were saying we should respect everyone just coz they wear a uniform. They were saying something else.

But i have seen the ugly side of people who think a uniform gives them the right to do what they want coz people won't believe they're bad people."

I agree with the bit where you said it doesn't mean they're guaranteed our respect. If someone is a dick in uniform they're not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should we respect someone just because they wear a uniform? I don't agree with that as a uniform doesn't guarantee that person is worthy of respect.

I start from the position that all other people are worthy of my basic respect unless they show otherwise by their behaviour.

I accidently took their quote out of context and thought they were saying we should respect everyone just coz they wear a uniform. They were saying something else.

But i have seen the ugly side of people who think a uniform gives them the right to do what they want coz people won't believe they're bad people.

I was saying don't automatically respect people just because of their appearance.

This doesn't mean be disrespectful to anyone, it means take them with a pinch of salt, they might not be what you think they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened?

You could see that from either way though - for his benefit or theirs. I hope it was for his

Arguably it was for everyone's benefit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why should we respect someone just because they wear a uniform? I don't agree with that as a uniform doesn't guarantee that person is worthy of respect.

I start from the position that all other people are worthy of my basic respect unless they show otherwise by their behaviour.

I accidently took their quote out of context and thought they were saying we should respect everyone just coz they wear a uniform. They were saying something else.

But i have seen the ugly side of people who think a uniform gives them the right to do what they want coz people won't believe they're bad people.

I agree with the bit where you said it doesn't mean they're guaranteed our respect. If someone is a dick in uniform they're not

Yeah. I seem to have confuse a lot of people tonight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The real story here is that our hospita; A&E departments area ll tooo often hostile environments. You can;t blame the hospital for trying to prevents something kicking off, the tragedy is that they even need to consider it. It's a sad reflection of our society that Hottie has mentioned that they don;t have any security, what has gone wrong when we need security to stop people kicking off in A&E

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By *iggy1Woman
over a year ago

DORCHESTER

As a mum of a serving member of the armed forces I feel very strongly about this issue... We as a country should be proud not make people hid just in case they offend a small minority!

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By *angzMan
over a year ago

Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle

Well done to the hospital for using common sense and preventing the soldiers from any abuse if it was likely to happen. I wish my local A&E did the samething to me when I was being racially abused by a d*unken skinhead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im Proud of our Forces ...

Im not saying they are all well behaved and perfect...

But where I live our guys only leave camp in civies for their own safety...

And we must face facts its just as dangerous if not more so in the UK for our forces guys now...

We must remember what happened to Lee Rigby

A young man slaughtered ...

Infact I dont think OUR GOVERMENT looks after our injured service men enough !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If this had happened at my hospital, I would have called for the whole platoon to visit him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done to the hospital for using common sense and preventing the soldiers from any abuse if it was likely to happen. I wish my local A&E did the samething to me when I was being racially abused by a d*unken skinhead."

He wasnt moved for his sake, or safety.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I think as he was injured getting changed out of his uniform was the last thing on his mind perhaps? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know that A&E department quite well, and I'm willing to bet money that the nursing staff took him to their staff room, gave him a cup of tea and made sure he saw a doctor long before his triage time.

I haven't read the story - who made the original complaint?

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By *isexmistress OP Woman
over a year ago

Prestwich

"What happened?

You could see that from either way though - for his benefit or theirs. I hope it was for his

***Arguably it was for everyone's benefit"
*** Which is why we need a shift in mindset..

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

I have respect for the uniform wether I have respect for the person wearing it is dependant on their actions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened?

You could see that from either way though - for his benefit or theirs. I hope it was for his

***Arguably it was for everyone's benefit*** Which is why we need a shift in mindset..

Hopefully not for the benefit of people feel insulted by a uniform

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By *isexmistress OP Woman
over a year ago

Prestwich

The fact they had to do it is what is so shamefull .. We need a HUGE shift in mindset so that everyone is treated the same,surely?

The hospital being `sensible` is one thing but it doesnt address the main issue ,and so it continues and will do so until more people stand up for

THE SOLDIERS RIGHT NOT TO BE ABUSED IN PUBLIC..

What is that saying about for evil to prosper,then good men just need do nothing?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

The fact they had to do it is what is so shamefull .. We need a HUGE shift in mindset so that everyone is treated the same,surely?

The hospital being `sensible` is one thing but it doesnt address the main issue ,and so it continues and will do so until more people stand up for

THE SOLDIERS RIGHT NOT TO BE ABUSED IN PUBLIC..

What is that saying about for evil to prosper,then good men just need do nothing?

people should stand up for anyone's right not to be abused in public, why should soldiers get special treatment?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I know that A&E department quite well, and I'm willing to bet money that the nursing staff took him to their staff room, gave him a cup of tea and made sure he saw a doctor long before his triage time.

I haven't read the story - who made the original complaint?"

When I heard it on the news this morning it was reported his father made the complaint to the press after his son told him that he had been moved.

The story may have moved on since then , both in fact and in storytelling.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

The fact they had to do it is what is so shamefull .. We need a HUGE shift in mindset so that everyone is treated the same,surely?

The hospital being `sensible` is one thing but it doesnt address the main issue ,and so it continues and will do so until more people stand up for

THE SOLDIERS RIGHT NOT TO BE ABUSED IN PUBLIC..

What is that saying about for evil to prosper,then good men just need do nothing?

people should stand up for anyone's right not to be abused in public, why should soldiers get special treatment?"

I thought that too

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

THE SOLDIERS RIGHT NOT TO BE ABUSED IN PUBLIC.. "

Jeez. It's not right that the guy got abuse, but all kinds of people get abuse every day. Soliders by and large get a lot of respect in this country. There will always be idiots, but let's not make out that soldiers are some kind of discriminated against minority.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

THE SOLDIERS RIGHT NOT TO BE ABUSED IN PUBLIC..

If you are a disabled civilian and receive higher rate mobility as part of your DLA, you can get a notability car, if you are receiving a war pension with the highest rate of mobility component, you have to pay a top up to receive a car.

If you are a civilian and get sick from working with asbestos, you could get £133,000 compensation. If you got sick from doing the same in Service, you'll get £31,000.

If you were injured at work as a civilian, your industrial injuries benefit would be protected, and yours to keep if you needed to go into a care home. If you were injured during Service, your war pension will be taken from you to pay for care.

Want me to go on?

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By *isexmistress OP Woman
over a year ago

Prestwich

The fact they had to do it is what is so shamefull .. We need a HUGE shift in mindset so that everyone is treated the same,surely?

The hospital being `sensible` is one thing but it doesnt address the main issue ,and so it continues and will do so until more people stand up for

THE SOLDIERS RIGHT NOT TO BE ABUSED IN PUBLIC..

What is that saying about for evil to prosper,then good men just need do nothing?

people should stand up for anyone's right not to be abused in public, why should soldiers get special treatment?"

Please explain what`special treatment` they get?

You mean refused service in places if in uniform?

Being verbally abused in public?

Maybe that many come back with PTSD and cant get work or housing after getting the boot?

Please explain ?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

The fact they had to do it is what is so shamefull .. We need a HUGE shift in mindset so that everyone is treated the same,surely?

The hospital being `sensible` is one thing but it doesnt address the main issue ,and so it continues and will do so until more people stand up for

THE SOLDIERS RIGHT NOT TO BE ABUSED IN PUBLIC..

What is that saying about for evil to prosper,then good men just need do nothing?

people should stand up for anyone's right not to be abused in public, why should soldiers get special treatment?

Please explain what`special treatment` they get?

You mean refused service in places if in uniform?

Being verbally abused in public?

Maybe that many come back with PTSD and cant get work or housing after getting the boot?

Please explain ?"

I didn't mean they get special treatment now I meant why specifically state that soldiers only have the right not to be abused.... Everyone deserves that right. Didn't really think it was that hard to understand but there you go.

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