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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year." Ffs 25,599 members on fab do you think that means anything significant    | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year." How does the BBC know if the apparent 26,000 don't? HIV is a massive concern for all of us but this just sounds like typical BBC scaremongering to me. | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year." How do they know 26,000 people don't know they have HIV? How do they know if the people concerned don't? | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year. How do they know 26,000 people don't know they have HIV? How do they know if the people concerned don't?" Yeah and why haven't they leaked a list of names?! 
How can they possibly claim to know that if the people who have allegedly got it don't know? Honestly, where do they come up with this shit?!  | |||
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"leeds is hot spot for HIV  "Leeds has gotten a bad enough reputation this past week. Let's not heap it on 
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"Well I would publicly like to share I'm not In one of those 26,000 negitive test result 3 months ago and no sex since then "I don't believe that for a second!! | |||
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"Ive always wondered how 26,000 people know unless it's the amount of test that have come back with positive results and not been able to tell the affected person" I would think they go by the amount of people already tested who have had it a while. Before they were tested they didn't know they had it. On a more positive note genital warts and herpes rates of diagnosed infection are going down. I looked and my age group for females has one of the lowest rates of infection for all stis. I'm trying to find out if this is a figure for the numbers who are tested or a %age of the female population as a whole. | |||
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"Well I would publicly like to share I'm not In one of those 26,000 negitive test result 3 months ago and no sex since then
I don't believe that for a second!! "Believe what? I haven't had sex? Believe what you want but I do think I would know the last time I had a sausage in my flange | |||
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"Safe sex is the only way to protect your self ,and having regular check ups ,there are a lot of bare back riders on here I don't entertain them ....better to be safe then sorry " There's no such thing as safe sex.
You have no way of knowing who does bareback.
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"statistics like that are sometimes gained though blind testing....random blood samples are anonymously tested and the stats drawn from that. The WHO site explains it more clearly, but unless you have specifically asked for an HIV test,you wont be tested and given results." I haven't sent the article but also this data can be easily extrapolated from all the late diagnosed HIV from the previous year. This data is coded at hospitals and GPs therefore reliable....Late diagnosis HIV is found when for example the person turns up in A&E with a sprained ankle or accidental injury and they are diagnosed there through a routine blood test. These patients are usually those who would never go to a GUM clinic or if they were to would decline the HIV test. As a uk population wide number it's probably about right. | |||
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"Well I would publicly like to share I'm not In one of those 26,000 negitive test result 3 months ago and no sex since then "you're not in ? | |||
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"statistics like that are sometimes gained though blind testing....random blood samples are anonymously tested and the stats drawn from that. The WHO site explains it more clearly, but unless you have specifically asked for an HIV test,you wont be tested and given results. I haven't sent the article but also this data can be easily extrapolated from all the late diagnosed HIV from the previous year. This data is coded at hospitals and GPs therefore reliable....Late diagnosis HIV is found when for example the person turns up in A&E with a sprained ankle or accidental injury and they are diagnosed there through a routine blood test. These patients are usually those who would never go to a GUM clinic or if they were to would decline the HIV test. As a uk population wide number it's probably about right. " Wouldn't they tell you though? If you had a routine blood test and it came back positive for anything, surely the NHS has a responsibility to tell you? How would 26,000 people be unaware? | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year. How does the BBC know if the apparent 26,000 don't? HIV is a massive concern for all of us but this just sounds like typical BBC scaremongering to me." Let's examine this 'typical BBC scaremongering' in a little more detail, shall we? | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year. How do they know 26,000 people don't know they have HIV? How do they know if the people concerned don't?" Because they extrapolate the figures from the number of new diagnoses of people who have been tested without suspecting they had it to the number of the general population...It will always be an estimate. They do the same for hepatitis C. The figures will likely have come from public health England, not the BBC...These will likely be people who have shown up positive through donating blood, or who have agreed to a test while having other screening done who don't consider themselves to be at risk... | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year. How does the BBC know if the apparent 26,000 don't? HIV is a massive concern for all of us but this just sounds like typical BBC scaremongering to me. Let's examine this 'typical BBC scaremongering' in a little more detail, shall we? " Could be worse. Could be the daily mail... | |||
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"statistics like that are sometimes gained though blind testing....random blood samples are anonymously tested and the stats drawn from that. The WHO site explains it more clearly, but unless you have specifically asked for an HIV test,you wont be tested and given results. I haven't sent the article but also this data can be easily extrapolated from all the late diagnosed HIV from the previous year. This data is coded at hospitals and GPs therefore reliable....Late diagnosis HIV is found when for example the person turns up in A&E with a sprained ankle or accidental injury and they are diagnosed there through a routine blood test. These patients are usually those who would never go to a GUM clinic or if they were to would decline the HIV test. As a uk population wide number it's probably about right. Wouldn't they tell you though? If you had a routine blood test and it came back positive for anything, surely the NHS has a responsibility to tell you? How would 26,000 people be unaware? "no,if you have a blood test you will be aware of what it is for.if, as has just been said ,you are in A&E for instance,then if a test showed up HIV,no, they dont have to tell you unless you specifically ask. its your responsibility....this hasn't really changed since HIV first came to notice....for some years insurance companies would even refuse to insure if someone had been tested,as this was supposed to mean they obviously had a risky lifestyle if they needed to be tested,luckily this no longer happens. | |||
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"The much-repeated figure of 26k living with undiagnosed HIV stems from the Terrance Higgins Trust and other charities who *estimate* that 80% of new infections are as a result of unprotected sex with people who are unaware that they are HIV+. This is based on 24% of the 107,000 people living in the UK with diagnosed HIV. It is an estimated projection. Here's what the Government Public Health blog has to say on the stats: https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2014/12/01/leaving-it-late-why-are-people-still-dying-from-hiv-in-the-uk/ " But, you know. Don't let little things like 'facts' get in the way of a good outrage, eh? | |||
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"statistics like that are sometimes gained though blind testing....random blood samples are anonymously tested and the stats drawn from that. The WHO site explains it more clearly, but unless you have specifically asked for an HIV test,you wont be tested and given results. I haven't sent the article but also this data can be easily extrapolated from all the late diagnosed HIV from the previous year. This data is coded at hospitals and GPs therefore reliable....Late diagnosis HIV is found when for example the person turns up in A&E with a sprained ankle or accidental injury and they are diagnosed there through a routine blood test. These patients are usually those who would never go to a GUM clinic or if they were to would decline the HIV test. As a uk population wide number it's probably about right. Wouldn't they tell you though? If you had a routine blood test and it came back positive for anything, surely the NHS has a responsibility to tell you? How would 26,000 people be unaware?
no,if you have a blood test you will be aware of what it is for.if, as has just been said ,you are in A&E for instance,then if a test showed up HIV,no, they dont have to tell you unless you specifically ask. its your responsibility....this hasn't really changed since HIV first came to notice....for some years insurance companies would even refuse to insure if someone had been tested,as this was supposed to mean they obviously had a risky lifestyle if they needed to be tested,luckily this no longer happens."That sounds crazy they don't have to tell you,for yourself and for others you sleep with in the future. | |||
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"The much-repeated figure of 26k living with undiagnosed HIV stems from the Terrance Higgins Trust and other charities who *estimate* that 80% of new infections are as a result of unprotected sex with people who are unaware that they are HIV+. This is based on 24% of the 107,000 people living in the UK with diagnosed HIV. It is an estimated projection. Here's what the Government Public Health blog has to say on the stats: https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2014/12/01/leaving-it-late-why-are-people-still-dying-from-hiv-in-the-uk/ " If it scares people into getting tested the figures don't matter surely? Get tested and find it early enough that you don't die. | |||
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"The much-repeated figure of 26k living with undiagnosed HIV stems from the Terrance Higgins Trust and other charities who *estimate* that 80% of new infections are as a result of unprotected sex with people who are unaware that they are HIV+. This is based on 24% of the 107,000 people living in the UK with diagnosed HIV. It is an estimated projection. Here's what the Government Public Health blog has to say on the stats: https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2014/12/01/leaving-it-late-why-are-people-still-dying-from-hiv-in-the-uk/ If it scares people into getting tested the figures don't matter surely? Get tested and find it early enough that you don't die. " As with so many things in life, "Just say KNOW" | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year. How does the BBC know if the apparent 26,000 don't? HIV is a massive concern for all of us but this just sounds like typical BBC scaremongering to me." I haven't checked their sources but it's typical for government to research and produce statistical analysis, so that impacts are assessed. Over time, forecasts can become more accurate and HIV as now been around for quite some time. | |||
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" Wouldn't they tell you though? If you had a routine blood test and it came back positive for anything, surely the NHS has a responsibility to tell you? How would 26,000 people be unaware? "Of course they would tell you but this number is pointing to those people who have not yet found out. Think about it for a moment there are always a number of people across all disease areas that have various conditions but do not yet know it. There will be thousands of people who haven't yet had their cancer diagnosis but actually have cancer, or heart disease, diabetes, what ever it is there are always undiagnosed patients. | |||
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2. Remember, if you have HIV and have sex with another person without telling them you have it you have commited a serious criminal offence. Still, you will feel at home in jail as a high proportion of prisoners are HIV positive.
3. The life expectancy of an AIDS sufferer is now, in the UK, the same as a normal member of the population.
4. HIV has been "flushed out" of sufferers by certain cancer drugs. (BBC)
5. You have a 1:5 chance of dying of cancer so if you smoke or drink excessively don't waste your money on condoms, you will be dead long before HIV gets you. | |||
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"statistics like that are sometimes gained though blind testing....random blood samples are anonymously tested and the stats drawn from that. The WHO site explains it more clearly, but unless you have specifically asked for an HIV test,you wont be tested and given results. I haven't sent the article but also this data can be easily extrapolated from all the late diagnosed HIV from the previous year. This data is coded at hospitals and GPs therefore reliable....Late diagnosis HIV is found when for example the person turns up in A&E with a sprained ankle or accidental injury and they are diagnosed there through a routine blood test. These patients are usually those who would never go to a GUM clinic or if they were to would decline the HIV test. As a uk population wide number it's probably about right. Wouldn't they tell you though? If you had a routine blood test and it came back positive for anything, surely the NHS has a responsibility to tell you? How would 26,000 people be unaware?
no,if you have a blood test you will be aware of what it is for.if, as has just been said ,you are in A&E for instance,then if a test showed up HIV,no, they dont have to tell you unless you specifically ask. its your responsibility....this hasn't really changed since HIV first came to notice....for some years insurance companies would even refuse to insure if someone had been tested,as this was supposed to mean they obviously had a risky lifestyle if they needed to be tested,luckily this no longer happens."That's completely inaccurate. Clinical staff would be obliged to share that information and it would be sensitively shared with the patient. Where they'll be asking (themselves) questions is whether they should inform other providers or services outside of HIV (like the local HIV clinic for example) they would likely make those decisions in consultation with the patient. | |||
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"1. Get tested regularly.
2. Remember, if you have HIV and have sex with another person without telling them you have it you have commited a serious criminal offence. Still, you will feel at home in jail as a high proportion of prisoners are HIV positive.
3. The life expectancy of an AIDS sufferer is now, in the UK, the same as a normal member of the population.
4. HIV has been "flushed out" of sufferers by certain cancer drugs. (BBC)
5. You have a 1:5 chance of dying of cancer so if you smoke or drink excessively don't waste your money on condoms, you will be dead long before HIV gets you. " | |||
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" Where they'll be asking (themselves) questions is whether they should inform other providers or services outside of HIV (like the local HIV clinic for example) they would likely make those decisions in consultation with the patient." Sorry, that should say 'outside of A & E' not 'outside of HIV'. | |||
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"1. Get tested regularly.
2. Remember, if you have HIV and have sex with another person without telling them you have it you have commited a serious criminal offence. Still, you will feel at home in jail as a high proportion of prisoners are HIV positive.
3. The life expectancy of an AIDS sufferer is now, in the UK, the same as a normal member of the population.
4. HIV has been "flushed out" of sufferers by certain cancer drugs. (BBC)
5. You have a 1:5 chance of dying of cancer so if you smoke or drink excessively don't waste your money on condoms, you will be dead long before HIV gets you. "With reference to point 4. That's only happened once. If you Google 'The Berlin patient' you should find the information. They still don't understand how they did it. | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year." Who makes up these figures? If 26,000 people do not know they have HIV how do the people claiming this know | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year. Who makes up these figures? If 26,000 people do not know they have HIV how do the people claiming this know "Read the thread again, look for my comments. | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year. Who makes up these figures? If 26,000 people do not know they have HIV how do the people claiming this know
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"The much-repeated figure of 26k living with undiagnosed HIV stems from the Terrance Higgins Trust and other charities who *estimate* that 80% of new infections are as a result of unprotected sex with people who are unaware that they are HIV+. This is based on 24% of the 107,000 people living in the UK with diagnosed HIV. It is an estimated projection. Here's what the Government Public Health blog has to say on the stats: https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2014/12/01/leaving-it-late-why-are-people-still-dying-from-hiv-in-the-uk/ " ^ Aqui | |||
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"The much-repeated figure of 26k living with undiagnosed HIV stems from the Terrance Higgins Trust and other charities who *estimate* that 80% of new infections are as a result of unprotected sex with people who are unaware that they are HIV+. This is based on 24% of the 107,000 people living in the UK with diagnosed HIV. It is an estimated projection. Here's what the Government Public Health blog has to say on the stats: https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2014/12/01/leaving-it-late-why-are-people-still-dying-from-hiv-in-the-uk/ If it scares people into getting tested the figures don't matter surely? Get tested and find it early enough that you don't die. " No doubt the whole point of the report. | |||
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" There will be thousands of people who haven't yet had their cancer diagnosis but actually have cancer, or heart disease, diabetes, what ever it is there are always undiagnosed patients. " But they're not passing-on a deadly disease through pure stupidity. | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year." scary stuff....it does bring up a question though as to how long that horrid disease can lay dormant in one's system before surfacing and showing the symptoms? | |||
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" There will be thousands of people who haven't yet had their cancer diagnosis but actually have cancer, or heart disease, diabetes, what ever it is there are always undiagnosed patients. But they're not passing-on a deadly disease through pure stupidity." It's hardly a deadly disease people are not dying of AIDS related illnessnes as much as they were...HIV doesn't kill you it's the symptoms of AIDS. However I think what still stands out is the stigma of having the diease itself. People also knowinly have sex with other HIV+ people now that is a dangerous game as there are different strains and you can catch a different strain which may stop their combination therapy from working. | |||
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" That's only happened once. If you Google 'The Berlin patient' you should find the information. They still don't understand how they did it." No, it's not that one. It's a new research result from a lab re-targeting existing drugs. It will be years before it can be marketed, by which time what remains of the NHS won't be able to afford it. | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year. scary stuff....it does bring up a question though as to how long that horrid disease can lay dormant in one's system before surfacing and showing the symptoms? "There are exposure symthoms that people get such as flu like symptoms and a rash but some don't get that it can lay dormant for a number of years | |||
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"BBC News: 26,000 people in the U.K. have HIV and don't know it. In 2013, 40% of new diagnoses were made late. Late diagnosis means that people have a 10 times greater risk of dying within in the first year. scary stuff....it does bring up a question though as to how long that horrid disease can lay dormant in one's system before surfacing and showing the symptoms?
There are exposure symthoms that people get such as flu like symptoms and a rash but some don't get that it can lay dormant for a number of years "well lets just hope a test once in a while and playing safe and having no flu like symptoms or rash etc spring up then.... | |||
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