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Todays PMQ's - New Style politics in action?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Corbyn seems determined to do politics in a new way and this was very evident in the way Prime Ministers Questions was conducted today.

Will it last and do you prefer it?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I will watch it and give a verdict

brb

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

This is utterly bizarre.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't watch it. What was bizarre about it?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Corbyn's certainly different. He sounds commanding and is, as he says, doing things a different way. I like the way he 'crowd-sourced' his questions (housing crisis, mental health, tax credits).

It's a lot quieter than normal, a lot less shouting.

But.

There's no killer punches here and to all intents and purposes Cameron is humouring Corbyn.

Corbyn hasn't made a wrong move, but he hasn't made his point either.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i have to say it was really really interesting to watch... and very very clever by corbyn

when the clips get played on the news tonight... it will be set in the context of "jeremy is already making changes"... and the way the questions were framed it meant cameron couldn't attck because it would look like distain for voters....

i did miss the fact there were no follow up questions...so in effect cameron was lobbed "softball" that he could just knock back... but that only going to be really noticed by those who watched the whole thing and by politico's....

by i have to admit i did like it this way rather than the combative and childish way it can come across...

i don't think he can do it every week... but as change of pace... it works

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

It's got this faux-gentlemanly veneer over the top of it.

Most people aren't interested in the in & outs of politics and PMQs is one of the few weekly set-peices that people are likely to catch. Also, it's one of the rare points where the opposition gets to ask the questions.

It's an opportunity as well as a risk.

And it will be very simple for Cameron to just round on Labour's internal difficulties and leave Corbyn standing in the dust.

I'll see what happens next time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So there will no longer be condescending slanging matches and laughing at each others' responses? It seems very polite and nice this way,can it last? I don't usually watch because of the childish way they put each other down instead of giving answers.

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By *ummersun99Woman
over a year ago

North Yorkshire by the Sea


"i have to say it was really really interesting to watch... and very very clever by corbyn

when the clips get played on the news tonight... it will be set in the context of "jeremy is already making changes"... and the way the questions were framed it meant cameron couldn't attck because it would look like distain for voters....

i did miss the fact there were no follow up questions...so in effect cameron was lobbed "softball" that he could just knock back... but that only going to be really noticed by those who watched the whole thing and by politico's....

by i have to admit i did like it this way rather than the combative and childish way it can come across...

i don't think he can do it every week... but as change of pace... it works"

Totally agree

Different, refreshing and glad there was no aggressive spin, but would like to see more corbyn POV/ contributions in the future x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I watched it all and in my opinion Corbyn played it very well indeed. He outmanoeuvred Cameron by using questions from the public.

The schoolyard bully or yobs approach to politics has never appealed to me and so today in my opinion was refreshing.

Will it last? I don't know but I hope so. It will be very interesting when more difficult questions are being asked in a direct but calm way.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"I watched it all and in my opinion Corbyn played it very well indeed. He outmanoeuvred Cameron by using questions from the public.

The schoolyard bully or yobs approach to politics has never appealed to me and so today in my opinion was refreshing.

Will it last? I don't know but I hope so. It will be very interesting when more difficult questions are being asked in a direct but calm way."

i don't think corbyn can do that every week... because it will then just turn into a tory party political broadcast

but if he can get to the point on an arguement without losing his cool and doing it in that manner it will be interesting to see how cameron deals with it.....

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

The boy did well.

Jeremy Corbyn succeeded in his quest to bring more order to question time today but due to the lack of follow up questions did not manage to dent David Cameron.

Question time is his only real chance to hold the Prime Minister to account and Corbyn will have to learn to follow up his questions to put the Prime Minister on the spot.

Otherwise he will look weak even if he asks pertinent questions.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield


"I watched it all and in my opinion Corbyn played it very well indeed. He outmanoeuvred Cameron by using questions from the public.

The schoolyard bully or yobs approach to politics has never appealed to me and so today in my opinion was refreshing.

Will it last? I don't know but I hope so. It will be very interesting when more difficult questions are being asked in a direct but calm way."

I disagree Corbyn did not out manoeuvre Cameron he asked 6 elementary questions which Cameron was able to answer without concern.

The main difficulty for Cameron today was to hammer home the Conservative policy without sounding condescending.

It was in effect a 6 question advert for the Conservatives, one could imagine such questions being staged in a Tory party political broadcast in the run up to an election.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


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I disagree Corbyn did not out manoeuvre Cameron he asked 6 elementary questions which Cameron was able to answer without concern.

The main difficulty for Cameron today was to hammer home the Conservative policy without sounding condescending.

It was in effect a 6 question advert for the Conservatives, one could imagine such questions being staged in a Tory party political broadcast in the run up to an election.

"

and this is where i disagree with you a bit....

yes "softball" questions throw up.. and batted back..... but it was the introduction of the new method that was the story today... not really the answers given

so in that way cameron was in a situation he couldn't win... and clever of corbyn the frame it that way, because he wouldn't be attacking corbyn or the labour party... he'd be attacking voters!!!

i don't think he could do what his did today on a weekly basis without follow ups because it would turn into a tory political broadcast.... but he can certainly mix up the crowdsourced questions with follow ups and make it a lot more awkward for cameron

those who like the cheering an jeering of PMQ's probably hated today.... I actually liked it! now if only we can get rid of the nonsensical slurpy questions handed to pm's by the whips and get some proper questions from backbenchers to the pm... we may actually learn more.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all well and god to get a crowd sourced set of questions to put to the PM;

But what we need to hear is what JC himself, and the labour party, have to say on their issues and policies

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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I disagree Corbyn did not out manoeuvre Cameron he asked 6 elementary questions which Cameron was able to answer without concern.

The main difficulty for Cameron today was to hammer home the Conservative policy without sounding condescending.

It was in effect a 6 question advert for the Conservatives, one could imagine such questions being staged in a Tory party political broadcast in the run up to an election.

"

I think you may have missed the point (I mean no disrespect). The questions and answers today were at best secondary. The point of today was that Corbyn set the tone and therefore controlled the way in which Cameron could respond.

He simply could not be seen to attack voters.

I do not believe that Corbyn will choose not to respond to Cameron's answers in the future but he has now found a way of controlling how Cameron can respond in certain circumstances.

It will be interesting when the Government has had a particularly tricky week.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's all well and god to get a crowd sourced set of questions to put to the PM;

But what we need to hear is what JC himself, and the labour party, have to say on their issues and policies "

JC is not the Prime Minister and the Labour Party are not in Government. PMQ'S is there to hold the government to account not the opposition, or it would be called Opposition Questions.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


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The questions and answers today were at best secondary. The point of today was that Corbyn set the tone and therefore controlled the way in which Cameron could respond.

He simply could not be seen to attack voters.

I do not believe that Corbyn will choose not to respond to Cameron's answers in the future but he has now found a way of controlling how Cameron can respond in certain circumstances.

It will be interesting when the Government has had a particularly tricky week. "

this..

was reported on Newsnight last night that Cameron was to address/attack Corbyn's personal stance on several issue's that the Tories could capitalise on and continue with the red top agenda but it certainly looks like Cameron was on this occasion thwarted on that..

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"

The questions and answers today were at best secondary. The point of today was that Corbyn set the tone and therefore controlled the way in which Cameron could respond.

He simply could not be seen to attack voters.

I do not believe that Corbyn will choose not to respond to Cameron's answers in the future but he has now found a way of controlling how Cameron can respond in certain circumstances.

It will be interesting when the Government has had a particularly tricky week.

this..

was reported on Newsnight last night that Cameron was to address/attack Corbyn's personal stance on several issue's that the Tories could capitalise on and continue with the red top agenda but it certainly looks like Cameron was on this occasion thwarted on that..

"

Nahh, it was Corbyn's first time. Cameron was being gentle with him.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


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The questions and answers today were at best secondary. The point of today was that Corbyn set the tone and therefore controlled the way in which Cameron could respond.

He simply could not be seen to attack voters.

I do not believe that Corbyn will choose not to respond to Cameron's answers in the future but he has now found a way of controlling how Cameron can respond in certain circumstances.

It will be interesting when the Government has had a particularly tricky week.

this..

was reported on Newsnight last night that Cameron was to address/attack Corbyn's personal stance on several issue's that the Tories could capitalise on and continue with the red top agenda but it certainly looks like Cameron was on this occasion thwarted on that..

Nahh, it was Corbyn's first time. Cameron was being gentle with him. "

he probably was instructed to do so by murdoch..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's all well and god to get a crowd sourced set of questions to put to the PM;

But what we need to hear is what JC himself, and the labour party, have to say on their issues and policies

JC is not the Prime Minister and the Labour Party are not in Government. PMQ'S is there to hold the government to account not the opposition, or it would be called Opposition Questions. "

You misunderstand me; what I was trying to say is that we needed to hear questions from himself, and not from a straw poll

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's all well and god to get a crowd sourced set of questions to put to the PM;

But what we need to hear is what JC himself, and the labour party, have to say on their issues and policies

JC is not the Prime Minister and the Labour Party are not in Government. PMQ'S is there to hold the government to account not the opposition, or it would be called Opposition Questions.

You misunderstand me; what I was trying to say is that we needed to hear questions from himself, and not from a straw poll "

Why?

I don't think I misunderstood your first response.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It's all well and god to get a crowd sourced set of questions to put to the PM;

But what we need to hear is what JC himself, and the labour party, have to say on their issues and policies

JC is not the Prime Minister and the Labour Party are not in Government. PMQ'S is there to hold the government to account not the opposition, or it would be called Opposition Questions.

You misunderstand me; what I was trying to say is that we needed to hear questions from himself, and not from a straw poll "

some may say that in a democracy where those in the palace of Westminster 'represent' the people they have been elected by and asking the issue's pertinent to those people is what democratic accountability should be about..?

PMQ's is a scripted exercise to enable back benchers to sycophantically praise the incumbent and no right of reply to those in opposition..

it allows the PM to prevaricate, bluff and bluster away any issue's raised that they are not comfortable with..

its a strange way of 'questioning' anyone..

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By *hechairman18Man
over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

It would seem that Corbyn, was only asking questions, submitted by, and on behalf,of other people.

Could this not have been done by a YTS worker, rather than a highly paid (+ ex's) Politician?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It would seem that Corbyn, was only asking questions, submitted by, and on behalf,of other people.

Could this not have been done by a YTS worker, rather than a highly paid (+ ex's) Politician? "

possibly but one has to be elected to Parliament to be in the chamber during the process..

just a thought

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Clearly mixed views on the new approach, we'll see how the next few go.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

The questions and answers are always known in advance.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The strangest part of the reporting on this on the lunchtime news was that it started with what Corbyn was wearing. Nothing about what Cameron was wearing.

I think Corbyn did what he said he would: put the concerns of the people front and centre. The fact that so many people submitted questions to him gives him that extra ring of having a mandate from ordinary people.

This style may not last but today it also helps with his particular weakness of his own temper.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Newsnight got an audience together to watch it.

A mixture of views on their one word thoughts, although they have scored him well on being likeable but not prime ministerial.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Newsnight got an audience together to watch it.

A mixture of views on their one word thoughts, although they have scored him well on being likeable but not prime ministerial.

"

He's got 4.5 years to work on that. The Tories don't even have a candidate for PM.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Newsnight got an audience together to watch it.

A mixture of views on their one word thoughts, although they have scored him well on being likeable but not prime ministerial.

He's got 4.5 years to work on that. The Tories don't even have a candidate for PM."

One of the concerns for Corbyn has to be his age. Being on the front bench is aging and he'll be 71 in 2020. He will also have to not get into a strop and watch Tom Watson.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Newsnight got an audience together to watch it.

A mixture of views on their one word thoughts, although they have scored him well on being likeable but not prime ministerial.

He's got 4.5 years to work on that. The Tories don't even have a candidate for PM.

One of the concerns for Corbyn has to be his age. Being on the front bench is aging and he'll be 71 in 2020. He will also have to not get into a strop and watch Tom Watson.

"

Yeah, Tom's a bit of a shit

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Newsnight got an audience together to watch it.

A mixture of views on their one word thoughts, although they have scored him well on being likeable but not prime ministerial.

He's got 4.5 years to work on that. The Tories don't even have a candidate for PM.

One of the concerns for Corbyn has to be his age. Being on the front bench is aging and he'll be 71 in 2020. He will also have to not get into a strop and watch Tom Watson.

Yeah, Tom's a bit of a shit"

Let's see what Tom does when it's his turn at PMQ.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Newsnight got an audience together to watch it.

A mixture of views on their one word thoughts, although they have scored him well on being likeable but not prime ministerial.

He's got 4.5 years to work on that. The Tories don't even have a candidate for PM.

One of the concerns for Corbyn has to be his age. Being on the front bench is aging and he'll be 71 in 2020. He will also have to not get into a strop and watch Tom Watson.

Yeah, Tom's a bit of a shit

Let's see what Tom does when it's his turn at PMQ."

That will be interesting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think what it revealed is that the whole format of PMQT is completely wrong. As it is set up as a question and answer session the idea is that the leader of the opposition party asks the PM questions, whether thought up by themself or farmed in from the public. The PM then answers those questions. All nice really...

But how does the opposition leader make his/her own voice heard? How do they hold the PM to account, take him to task, and ensure the public knows that they'd do things differently? In this format the only way to do that is to disagree with the answer, laugh at it, assert one's own character on the event by attacking the PM or making jokes... and that's exactly why PMQT is usually the monkey pit that it is.

If they changed it to a format where the PM got to make his answer and then, instead of attacking him, the opposition leader then got the mic for a while to talk about how they'd do it differently... so kinda a "Prime Minister & Opposition Leader Question Time" then these antics wouldn't be needed to be stamped on the debate and instead it would be more like one of the TV events where each person gets their turn.

Dunno if that's a good idea or not... but it was something I thought in response to the whole shebang

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Angela Eagle is set to deputise PMQ'S when Corbyn is absent.

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By *agicfingerslovelyMan
over a year ago

Rugby

I think Jeremy Corbyn is lay traps for the future making Cameron talk - bloody awful uncaring answer about tax credits. Corbyn did a quick aside after each answer which may expand as time goes on. The SNP seem to be responding and even the Tory were jittery after attacking working families last night.

Corbyn will put his position but the LP position is still Blarite mostly so the debate/revolution inside the party will need to take place to give Corbyn more control.

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