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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I read an article some years ago, that pointed out how the nearest wilderness to us in the UK, is in the Czech republic, all of our so called wild places have been manipulated by humans.

Would you like to see some wilderness return to the UK, that is land unmanaged and left to nature, no fences or walls, no domestic livestock etc?

This is going on at the moment, but only on a very limited basis, as there are many problems, the main one being land ownership.

Your thoughts and feeling please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read an article some years ago, that pointed out how the nearest wilderness to us in the UK, is in the Czech republic, all of our so called wild places have been manipulated by humans.

Would you like to see some wilderness return to the UK, that is land unmanaged and left to nature, no fences or walls, no domestic livestock etc?

This is going on at the moment, but only on a very limited basis, as there are many problems, the main one being land ownership.

Your thoughts and feeling please. "
I would like to see London return to a wilderness instead of a concrete jungle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have listen to the spell of the Yukon by hank snow!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw a programme years ago about how white people removed the native Americans from various wilderness' in the States as they were seeking to create the 'sublime', or witness God in nature.

However, this totally ruined the balance of the ecosystems to a catastrophic degree. The native humans were a vital part of the ecosystem, so white men put the native Americans back (until they invented park rangers and yogi bear).

The wilderness needs some human management in order to thrive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say a lot of the Scottish highlands are wild! Or as near as you can get!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I read an article some years ago, that pointed out how the nearest wilderness to us in the UK, is in the Czech republic, all of our so called wild places have been manipulated by humans.

Would you like to see some wilderness return to the UK, that is land unmanaged and left to nature, no fences or walls, no domestic livestock etc?

This is going on at the moment, but only on a very limited basis, as there are many problems, the main one being land ownership.

Your thoughts and feeling please. I would like to see London return to a wilderness instead of a concrete jungle "

Love to see that, I might actually return.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I saw a programme years ago about how white people removed the native Americans from various wilderness' in the States as they were seeking to create the 'sublime', or witness God in nature.

However, this totally ruined the balance of the ecosystems to a catastrophic degree. The native humans were a vital part of the ecosystem, so white men put the native Americans back (until they invented park rangers and yogi bear).

The wilderness needs some human management in order to thrive."

But indigenous people don't manage it, they are a part of it, same as the animals, they have an effect on the surrounding, amazing things happened when Wolves were introduced to yellowstone park.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'd say a lot of the Scottish highlands are wild! Or as near as you can get! "

The highlands were covered in forests, that have been completely felled, the remaining moorland is kept that way for grouse shooting and Deer stalking, not wilderness at all, but, as you say, some of the closest we have.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I've spent extended periods in the desert - no life of any kind, just white sand, black mountains and ocean blue sky.

It's arresting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read an article some years ago, that pointed out how the nearest wilderness to us in the UK, is in the Czech republic, all of our so called wild places have been manipulated by humans.

Would you like to see some wilderness return to the UK, that is land unmanaged and left to nature, no fences or walls, no domestic livestock etc?

This is going on at the moment, but only on a very limited basis, as there are many problems, the main one being land ownership.

Your thoughts and feeling please. "
my squash mate went to an unusual wedding in Sweden a couple of years back the guests were required to make their own rafts out of tree trunks they had a kayak and basic provisions on the raft and some rope and oars ,they had to manoeuvre this river for a week to get to the wedding / reception at end of it on the route their were specific camps with tents shower facilities food etc buy the rafts were very difficult to manoeuvre they weighed a ton the kayak was used to try and guide the raft into the camp but several nights they missed the designated camp and had to sleep rough in the forest by river with bears etc lurking they made wedding with two hours to spare

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I read an article some years ago, that pointed out how the nearest wilderness to us in the UK, is in the Czech republic, all of our so called wild places have been manipulated by humans.

Would you like to see some wilderness return to the UK, that is land unmanaged and left to nature, no fences or walls, no domestic livestock etc?

This is going on at the moment, but only on a very limited basis, as there are many problems, the main one being land ownership.

Your thoughts and feeling please. my squash mate went to an unusual wedding in Sweden a couple of years back the guests were required to make their own rafts out of tree trunks they had a kayak and basic provisions on the raft and some rope and oars ,they had to manoeuvre this river for a week to get to the wedding / reception at end of it on the route their were specific camps with tents shower facilities food etc buy the rafts were very difficult to manoeuvre they weighed a ton the kayak was used to try and guide the raft into the camp but several nights they missed the designated camp and had to sleep rough in the forest by river with bears etc lurking they made wedding with two hours to spare "

That's the kind of excitement missing from the UK, imagine you could drive to Scotland and see Wolves etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read an article some years ago, that pointed out how the nearest wilderness to us in the UK, is in the Czech republic, all of our so called wild places have been manipulated by humans.

Would you like to see some wilderness return to the UK, that is land unmanaged and left to nature, no fences or walls, no domestic livestock etc?

This is going on at the moment, but only on a very limited basis, as there are many problems, the main one being land ownership.

Your thoughts and feeling please. my squash mate went to an unusual wedding in Sweden a couple of years back the guests were required to make their own rafts out of tree trunks they had a kayak and basic provisions on the raft and some rope and oars ,they had to manoeuvre this river for a week to get to the wedding / reception at end of it on the route their were specific camps with tents shower facilities food etc buy the rafts were very difficult to manoeuvre they weighed a ton the kayak was used to try and guide the raft into the camp but several nights they missed the designated camp and had to sleep rough in the forest by river with bears etc lurking they made wedding with two hours to spare

That's the kind of excitement missing from the UK, imagine you could drive to Scotland and see Wolves etc. "
Scotland does have some wild places when I was young I used to go poaching with my uncle

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I read an article some years ago, that pointed out how the nearest wilderness to us in the UK, is in the Czech republic, all of our so called wild places have been manipulated by humans.

Would you like to see some wilderness return to the UK, that is land unmanaged and left to nature, no fences or walls, no domestic livestock etc?

This is going on at the moment, but only on a very limited basis, as there are many problems, the main one being land ownership.

Your thoughts and feeling please. my squash mate went to an unusual wedding in Sweden a couple of years back the guests were required to make their own rafts out of tree trunks they had a kayak and basic provisions on the raft and some rope and oars ,they had to manoeuvre this river for a week to get to the wedding / reception at end of it on the route their were specific camps with tents shower facilities food etc buy the rafts were very difficult to manoeuvre they weighed a ton the kayak was used to try and guide the raft into the camp but several nights they missed the designated camp and had to sleep rough in the forest by river with bears etc lurking they made wedding with two hours to spare

That's the kind of excitement missing from the UK, imagine you could drive to Scotland and see Wolves etc. Scotland does have some wild places when I was young I used to go poaching with my uncle "

They are only remnants though, pockets of the old caledonian forest and some Temperate rainforest on the west coast.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I saw a programme years ago about how white people removed the native Americans from various wilderness' in the States as they were seeking to create the 'sublime', or witness God in nature.

However, this totally ruined the balance of the ecosystems to a catastrophic degree. The native humans were a vital part of the ecosystem, so white men put the native Americans back (until they invented park rangers and yogi bear).

The wilderness needs some human management in order to thrive.

But indigenous people don't manage it, they are a part of it, same as the animals, they have an effect on the surrounding, amazing things happened when Wolves were introduced to yellowstone park."

I saw this program and I'd agree with the poster. Humans are part of the wilderness. A wilderness without humans is a cultural construct little different from Disney World. Having said this... moving away from the hubub of the modern world... even in the playful sounds of a third world market square... but more so out in the empty deserts or the dense and vast forests... yes.. its out there that you can best hear the divine vibration of the universe... especially sleeping outside in the desert under a sparklingly clear night sky... now that really is a religious experience

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I saw a programme years ago about how white people removed the native Americans from various wilderness' in the States as they were seeking to create the 'sublime', or witness God in nature.

However, this totally ruined the balance of the ecosystems to a catastrophic degree. The native humans were a vital part of the ecosystem, so white men put the native Americans back (until they invented park rangers and yogi bear).

The wilderness needs some human management in order to thrive.

But indigenous people don't manage it, they are a part of it, same as the animals, they have an effect on the surrounding, amazing things happened when Wolves were introduced to yellowstone park.

I saw this program and I'd agree with the poster. Humans are part of the wilderness. A wilderness without humans is a cultural construct little different from Disney World. Having said this... moving away from the hubub of the modern world... even in the playful sounds of a third world market square... but more so out in the empty deserts or the dense and vast forests... yes.. its out there that you can best hear the divine vibration of the universe... especially sleeping outside in the desert under a sparklingly clear night sky... now that really is a religious experience "

I agree, I think it is sad that we have to travel so far to see the stars like our ancestors did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Czech Republic is a most amazing country with many miles of the most gorgeous and unharmed, perfectly preserved and intact countryside, natural wonders and marvels, wildlife and birds, rolling hills and valleys, and quiet, peaceful rivers leading to the nicest and most remote lakes.

The tourists respect this, generally, and aim to work with the authorities to preserve the wilderness, however, north of Prague, and further out, particular in areas in/around Litomerice, there are many firearms ranges where explosives, and live-fire training is conducted, and you'll never see or hear an animal or a child's laughter for miles around as a direct result of this, even though the best of the countryside, in terms of the scenery, is concentrated in that area.

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