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"His guyliner and manscara are off putting  "Yes..... I've often wondered if someone should mention that too him.....
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"I don't understand how anyone can be taken in by him, he has no principles and no Idea. Complete idiot. He would roll naked through thistles for a shadow cabinet post. C..." Exactly my point | |||
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"His guyliner and manscara are off putting "There's just something not right about him. He looks plasticity and unreal. He reminds me of a ventriloquist's dummy, or maybe something out of Thunderbirds. | |||
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"a joke as a politician after all that grovelling and flipflopping only gets 20 %. Such a shame "With 4 candidates, you'd expect 20-25% each. Two others did really poorly. JC did really well. 20% is OK. | |||
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"His guyliner and manscara are off putting "I can't help thinking there's more going on with his eyes than just that.  | |||
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"No. He said he would be prepared to serve in a Corbyn-led Shadow Cabinet. How is that two-faced?" He also said a Corbyn lead Labour party would be a complete disaster. As he's taken a post in the shadow cabinet though he must want a front row seat of the slow motion train wreck that will be the Labour party over the coming weeks and months. I especially liked Simon Danczuk Labour MP's comments when he heard who was on the new shadow cabinet, his words were "the lunatics have taken over the asylum".
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"Absolute definition of two faced? Accepted cabinet post under a man he spent the last three months slagging off.....! Will he do anything to get his name/face on TV. Throw all his principles away (has he got any?) just to move his own career?" Can't get much more two faced and unprincipled than Corbyn A few days into the job, and, committed republican and staunch anti-royalist that he is, he's going to kneel before the Queen and pledge his alliegence.... and so allowing the labour party to pick up a cool 30 Million up to the next election. Still, every man has his price... And before anybody says he has no choice, or he has to in order to change the system from within, he would have known about it before he stood for leadership. Thrown a lifetime of socialist Republic principles down the pan... you're price to forego your principles, Mr Corbyn, is here's the leadership of your party. What's next for him, not voting against welfare reform bills? Turning his back on "as many refugees that want to come here can?", Voting to keep trident? Welcome to the establishment Jeremy. | |||
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"Absolute definition of two faced? Accepted cabinet post under a man he spent the last three months slagging off.....! Will he do anything to get his name/face on TV. Throw all his principles away (has he got any?) just to move his own career? Can't get much more two faced and unprincipled than Corbyn A few days into the job, and, committed republican and staunch anti-royalist that he is, he's going to kneel before the Queen and pledge his alliegence.... and so allowing the labour party to pick up a cool 30 Million up to the next election. Still, every man has his price... And before anybody says he has no choice, or he has to in order to change the system from within, he would have known about it before he stood for leadership. Thrown a lifetime of socialist Republic principles down the pan... you're price to forego your principles, Mr Corbyn, is here's the leadership of your party. What's next for him, not voting against welfare reform bills? Turning his back on "as many refugees that want to come here can?", Voting to keep trident? Welcome to the establishment Jeremy." Like The Sun newspaper, which is where you got your info, you have made the mistake of thinking that accepting a role on the Privy Council is connected with receiving money for the Labour party. They are not. Perhaps you should try reading a little more widely.  | |||
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"Absolute definition of two faced? Accepted cabinet post under a man he spent the last three months slagging off.....! Will he do anything to get his name/face on TV. Throw all his principles away (has he got any?) just to move his own career? Can't get much more two faced and unprincipled than Corbyn A few days into the job, and, committed republican and staunch anti-royalist that he is, he's going to kneel before the Queen and pledge his alliegence.... and so allowing the labour party to pick up a cool 30 Million up to the next election. Still, every man has his price... And before anybody says he has no choice, or he has to in order to change the system from within, he would have known about it before he stood for leadership. Thrown a lifetime of socialist Republic principles down the pan... you're price to forego your principles, Mr Corbyn, is here's the leadership of your party. What's next for him, not voting against welfare reform bills? Turning his back on "as many refugees that want to come here can?", Voting to keep trident? Welcome to the establishment Jeremy. Like The Sun newspaper, which is where you got your info, you have made the mistake of thinking that accepting a role on the Privy Council is connected with receiving money for the Labour party. They are not. Perhaps you should try reading a little more widely. "I've never read The Sun in my life, so no, I didn't get my info from there. Although I would presume that, as you quote that it's from the sun, that you do read it, so maybe you're judging me by your own values. I never mentioned a seat on the privy council. I actually read it on BBC news early this morning. And it was they who reported the link to the 6 Million per year. The thread is about principles... and Jeremy Corbyn has, at the first hurdle, shown himself to be less than principled. I also saw this evening the report of him not singing the national anthem at the Battle of Britain memorial today. And heard the labour PR response that he was ' spending that time silently remembering the fallen'. I think the labour PR machine will be in defensive overdrive for quite a while trying to manage Mr Corbyn. | |||
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"Really? It would be very odd for the BBC to make such an elementary mistake about the workings of UK politics. Unless they have started republishing Sun and Mail stories wholesale...do you have a link at all? That would be interesting to read. Quite interesting that you also use an example of JC sticking to his principles to try to illustrate he has no principles. You do know he is against the monarchy, don't you? Just a pity the media couldn't try to show some slight respect for the dead by refraining from trying to use a memorial service to score points against a politician, but then it's only to be expected." Sorry, I don't have a link. It was about 5 this morning. But I can assure you that I only read the BBC news. I wasn't using an example of him sticking to his principles to illustrate he has no principles. I didn't say that at all... Please try to read what's written, and not interpret what you read in order for you to try to make a rather tenuous point. If you had read what I'd first written, you would know that I am perfectly aware of his republican ideals.. clearly you didn't, or you just read what you want to ' hear'. You talk about the media not able to show respect for the dead? If Jeremy Corbyn had showed respect, and acted like the leader of a major political party, in the first place they wouldn't have had a story to tell. Like I said, I think the labour media machine is going to have their work cut out for quite some time to come. | |||
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"Really? It would be very odd for the BBC to make such an elementary mistake about the workings of UK politics. Unless they have started republishing Sun and Mail stories wholesale...do you have a link at all? That would be interesting to read. Quite interesting that you also use an example of JC sticking to his principles to try to illustrate he has no principles. You do know he is against the monarchy, don't you? Just a pity the media couldn't try to show some slight respect for the dead by refraining from trying to use a memorial service to score points against a politician, but then it's only to be expected." Did he wear a white poppy, a red poppy or any poppy at all at the memorial service? It was unclear from all sides of the media last night what his position was going to be on it? To be dilly dallying about over such a simple matter shows again what a hard time the Labour PR staff will have trying to manage him. | |||
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"So you were happy that our national media choose to show open disrespect for the people who died defending this country in the Battle of Britain? Frankly I find that to be a disgusting attitude. Thank goodness we have people like Jeremy Corbyn who are unafraid to criticise the gutter press that you so unashamedly support." Where were the media showing open disrespect? And by the way, it was on the BBC, the very media that you were earlier defending! On the contrary, Mr Corbyn was showing utter disrespect to our heroes.. maybe you're unaware, but when you join the forces you swear an oath of allegiance to the monarch and the country... ergo, in not singing the national anthem, he was being disrespectful to our dead. And, like I said earlier, I don't read the press, only the BBC news (occasionally sky and a couple of others as well), but I have very little time for the press. And where on earth did you get that I support the gutter press? Or any press, come to that? Like I said earlier, try to read what I've written before commenting on what I haven't written. | |||
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"Good. The point is that intelligent people are sick to death of politics being about PR. Corbyn is not about scripts, or doing what appeases the Murdoch press, he is about standing up for core beliefs and principles. As shown with the debacle of Priti Patel and the rest of the dopey Tories from the PM down attacking Corbyn with the same tired line two minutes after he won the leadership election, the majority of the public see straight through it. The Tories scored a huge home goal by illustrating that they are about scripts, PR and spin while JC is about addressing the issues which face the majority of people in our country. Those that don't get that are really not worth worrying about." I did say "all sides of the press" even the lefty guardian didn't know if he would be wearing a poppy or not. Lol And when you say the majority of the people are you talking about the less than half a percent of the total population of Britain who voted for him in the leadership election? | |||
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"Good. The point is that intelligent people are sick to death of politics being about PR. Corbyn is not about scripts, or doing what appeases the Murdoch press, he is about standing up for core beliefs and principles." And there we have it. One of his core beliefs and principles is his staunch anti-monarchy, republican views... and yet, when push comes to shove, he puts them to one side in order to further his political career. Do back to my original point... if he has done this at the first opportunity, what other principles and beliefs will he turn his back on? Although I suspect you will justify it by ' it is for the greater good'. | |||
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"Good. The point is that intelligent people are sick to death of politics being about PR. Corbyn is not about scripts, or doing what appeases the Murdoch press, he is about standing up for core beliefs and principles. And there we have it. One of his core beliefs and principles is his staunch anti-monarchy, republican views... and yet, when push comes to shove, he puts them to one side in order to further his political career. Do back to my original point... if he has done this at the first opportunity, what other principles and beliefs will he turn his back on? Although I suspect you will justify it by ' it is for the greater good'." There we have it indeed. You don't seem to understand that by not singing the national anthem, he was giving the clearest indication possible that he won't betray his principles for the sake of his political career. Th easiest thing would have been to sing those outdated words for the benefit of the idiot classes who will ignore the fact that he respected the war dead by speaking with genuine emotion about them at the ceremony, because they think that our national anthem is more important than rememering the lives of those we lost. The very worst sort of people, in other words. Blind patriots who care nothing for the people who gave their lives in war, but love the waving of the flag in whose name they died. Instead, he remains true to his principles, doesn't sing the national anthem, and thus allowed the media to show their disgraceful disrespect by turning a remembrance event into an opportunity for political attack. It's really very simple. If you seek to attack Corbyn over this you disgrace the memory of our war dead, and support our gutter press in believing that principles mean nothing. And I have no time at all for people like that. | |||
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"I did say "all sides of the press" even the lefty guardian didn't know if he would be wearing a poppy or not. Lol " If you think the Guardian is a 'lefty' paper, we're really wasting each other's time. | |||
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"I did say "all sides of the press" even the lefty guardian didn't know if he would be wearing a poppy or not. Lol If you think the Guardian is a 'lefty' paper, we're really wasting each other's time." Ok let's put it another way then it may actually sink in?
It was also reported on BBC news and sky news last night that his fellow Labour party colleagues didn't know if he would be wearing a poppy or not and if yes they didn't know what colour poppy it would be? The whole episode is a complete farce, Corbyn only has himself to blame for bringing this attention on himself. | |||
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"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer? " Somebody famous said that was it Churchill? | |||
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"Labour Party already said he will wear a red poppy. Some people's allegiance to Murdoch and his slanted bias amazes me" They made that statement after much confusion and farcical coming and going on the news channels last night. Since when has the BBC been in Murdoch's pocket? | |||
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"Labour Party already said he will wear a red poppy. Some people's allegiance to Murdoch and his slanted bias amazes me" It wouldn't matter which colour he chooses. Red and he's accused of betraying his principles. White and he's accused of betraying the Armed Forces. | |||
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" You don't seem to understand that by not singing the national anthem, he was giving the clearest indication possible that he won't betray his principles for the sake of his political career. Instead, he remains true to his principles, doesn't sing the national anthem, and thus allowed the media to show their disgraceful disrespect by turning a remembrance event into an opportunity for political attack. " Mmmm.... let me see now, A staunch, lifelong anti-monarchist has a choice to prove how principled he is... " I can either refuse to swear allegiance to the Queen, or I can refuse to sing the national anthem. Which one will prove how anti-royal I am, and how I will not be swayed from my principles? I know, I won't sing the anthem....That'll teach 'em! Now, where and when do I bow and kiss the Queen's ring?" And don't you think that in not singing the national anthem, he was trying to make a political attack in the first place? | |||
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"Good. The point is that intelligent people are sick to death of politics being about PR. Corbyn is not about scripts, or doing what appeases the Murdoch press, he is about standing up for core beliefs and principles. As shown with the debacle of Priti Patel and the rest of the dopey Tories from the PM down attacking Corbyn with the same tired line two minutes after he won the leadership election, the majority of the public see straight through it. The Tories scored a huge home goal by illustrating that they are about scripts, PR and spin while JC is about addressing the issues which face the majority of people in our country. Those that don't get that are really not worth worrying about." Jeremy Corbyn has abandoned all his principles by swearing the oath taken by all privy councillors. This alone shows he is a man who cannot be trusted. “You do swear by Almighty God to be a true and faithful Servant unto the Queen's Majesty, as one of Her Majesty's Privy Council. You will not know or understand of any manner of thing to be attempted, done, or spoken against Her Majesty's Person, Honour, Crown, or Dignity Royal, but you will lett and withstand the same to the uttermost of your Power, and either cause it to be revealed to Her Majesty Herself, or to such of Her Privy Council as shall advertise Her Majesty of the same. You will, in all things to be moved, treated, and debated in Council, faithfully and truly declare your Mind and Opinion, according to your Heart and Conscience; and will keep secret all Matters committed and revealed unto you, or that shall be treated of secretly in Council. And if any of the said Treaties or Counsels shall touch any of the Counsellors, you will not reveal it unto him, but will keep the same until such time as, by the Consent of Her Majesty, or of the Council, Publication shall be made thereof. You will to your uttermost bear Faith and Allegiance unto the Queen's Majesty; and will assist and defend all Jurisdictions, Pre-eminences, and Authorities, granted to Her Majesty, and annexed to the Crown by Acts of Parliament, or otherwise, against all Foreign Princes, Persons, Prelates, States, or Potentates. And generally in all things you will do as a faithful and true Servant ought to do to Her Majesty. So help you God.” | |||
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" One of his core beliefs and principles is his staunch anti-monarchy, republican views... and yet, when push comes to shove, he puts them to one side in order to further his political career. Do back to my original point... if he has done this at the first opportunity, what other principles and beliefs will he turn his back on? Although I suspect you will justify it by ' it is for the greater good'. You don't seem to understand that by not singing the national anthem, he was giving the clearest indication possible that he won't betray his principles for the sake of his political career. Instead, he remains true to his principles, doesn't sing the national anthem, and thus allowed the media to show their disgraceful disrespect by turning a remembrance event into an opportunity for political attack. It's really very simple. If you seek to attack Corbyn over this you disgrace the memory of our war dead, and support our gutter press in believing that principles mean nothing. And I have no time at all for people like that." It's just been announced on politics today,on the BBC, that labour have announced that Jeremy Corbyn WILL sing the national anthem from now on.. What was it you were saying about how principled a man he is? And what was it you said about having no time for people whose principles mean nothing? | |||
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"Good. The point is that intelligent people are sick to death of politics being about PR. Corbyn is not about scripts, or doing what appeases the Murdoch press, he is about standing up for core beliefs and principles. As shown with the debacle of Priti Patel and the rest of the dopey Tories from the PM down attacking Corbyn with the same tired line two minutes after he won the leadership election, the majority of the public see straight through it. The Tories scored a huge home goal by illustrating that they are about scripts, PR and spin while JC is about addressing the issues which face the majority of people in our country. Those that don't get that are really not worth worrying about. Jeremy Corbyn has abandoned all his principles by swearing the oath taken by all privy councillors. This alone shows he is a man who cannot be trusted. “You do swear by Almighty God to be a true and faithful Servant unto the Queen's Majesty, as one of Her Majesty's Privy Council. You will not know or understand of any manner of thing to be attempted, done, or spoken against Her Majesty's Person, Honour, Crown, or Dignity Royal, but you will lett and withstand the same to the uttermost of your Power, and either cause it to be revealed to Her Majesty Herself, or to such of Her Privy Council as shall advertise Her Majesty of the same. You will, in all things to be moved, treated, and debated in Council, faithfully and truly declare your Mind and Opinion, according to your Heart and Conscience; and will keep secret all Matters committed and revealed unto you, or that shall be treated of secretly in Council. And if any of the said Treaties or Counsels shall touch any of the Counsellors, you will not reveal it unto him, but will keep the same until such time as, by the Consent of Her Majesty, or of the Council, Publication shall be made thereof. You will to your uttermost bear Faith and Allegiance unto the Queen's Majesty; and will assist and defend all Jurisdictions, Pre-eminences, and Authorities, granted to Her Majesty, and annexed to the Crown by Acts of Parliament, or otherwise, against all Foreign Princes, Persons, Prelates, States, or Potentates. And generally in all things you will do as a faithful and true Servant ought to do to Her Majesty. So help you God.” " Ok so taking the bit in quotes, any one who does not believe in god and then takes a position on the privy council would also have to be classed as unprincipled. Hate to say so but in order to stand a chance of changing a country's political system you either need to be part / in it or start a civil war. As for not singing that national sing along, I'm impressed he didn't. Afterall just look at how much attention and political presure has been applied because of it. We need more people like JC in politics and less of the PR concious, cash driven fools we have at the moment. | |||
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"I would say let's just wait and see. However, it goes to show what a fine man Corbyn is. If it takes him having to sing our national anthem so that people like yourself can be reminded that the memorial is about remembering our war dead, which you seem to have no respect for at all, then he can be applauded for his compromise." I don't believe what utter hypocrisy you've just spouted. You defend Corbyn for being a man of his principles, unlike other politicians, then when it's proved he isn't, you extol his virtues of being able to compromise! I suppose you'll be making lame excuses for your lame leader when he compromises on his other principles. And please, don't even suggest that I have no respect for our war dead. I have the utmost respect. Corbyn, however, showed zero respect. He also shows no respect for the British people when he says that the IRA should also be remembered. Friends of mine have died in battle. And in terrorist bombing. So don't even go there. | |||
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"I would say let's just wait and see. However, it goes to show what a fine man Corbyn is. If it takes him having to sing our national anthem so that people like yourself can be reminded that the memorial is about remembering our war dead, which you seem to have no respect for at all, then he can be applauded for his compromise. I don't believe what utter hypocrisy you've just spouted. You defend Corbyn for being a man of his principles, unlike other politicians, then when it's proved he isn't, you extol his virtues of being able to compromise! I suppose you'll be making lame excuses for your lame leader when he compromises on his other principles. And please, don't even suggest that I have no respect for our war dead. I have the utmost respect. Corbyn, however, showed zero respect. He also shows no respect for the British people when he says that the IRA should also be remembered. Friends of mine have died in battle. And in terrorist bombing. So don't even go there." 
Corbyn couldn't even be bothered to do up his top button on his shirt, had his tie loose around his neck, look disheveled at the memorial service, another mark of disrespect along side not singing the national anthem. The man is a disgrace. | |||
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"I would say let's just wait and see. However, it goes to show what a fine man Corbyn is. If it takes him having to sing our national anthem so that people like yourself can be reminded that the memorial is about remembering our war dead, which you seem to have no respect for at all, then he can be applauded for his compromise. I don't believe what utter hypocrisy you've just spouted. You defend Corbyn for being a man of his principles, unlike other politicians, then when it's proved he isn't, you extol his virtues of being able to compromise! I suppose you'll be making lame excuses for your lame leader when he compromises on his other principles. And please, don't even suggest that I have no respect for our war dead. I have the utmost respect. Corbyn, however, showed zero respect. He also shows no respect for the British people when he says that the IRA should also be remembered. Friends of mine have died in battle. And in terrorist bombing. So don't even go there." I did go there. Nothing you have said proves that you have any respect for our war dead...in fact, it proves the opposite. The fact that you continue to attempt to reduce a memorial service for our brave Battle of Britain service people to the level of a political football for sport on a forum demonstrates what little respect you have for the sacrifice they gave to protect our way of life. It tells everything Harry Leslie Smith, an actual veteran of the RAF in World War 2, is in full support of Jeremy Corbyn not singing the national anthem, while so called 'patriots' are not. He would view your posts with disgust. | |||
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"I would say let's just wait and see. However, it goes to show what a fine man Corbyn is. If it takes him having to sing our national anthem so that people like yourself can be reminded that the memorial is about remembering our war dead, which you seem to have no respect for at all, then he can be applauded for his compromise. I don't believe what utter hypocrisy you've just spouted. You defend Corbyn for being a man of his principles, unlike other politicians, then when it's proved he isn't, you extol his virtues of being able to compromise! I suppose you'll be making lame excuses for your lame leader when he compromises on his other principles. And please, don't even suggest that I have no respect for our war dead. I have the utmost respect. Corbyn, however, showed zero respect. He also shows no respect for the British people when he says that the IRA should also be remembered. Friends of mine have died in battle. And in terrorist bombing. So don't even go there.
Corbyn couldn't even be bothered to do up his top button on his shirt, had his tie loose around his neck, look disheveled at the memorial service, another mark of disrespect along side not singing the national anthem. The man is a disgrace. "Harry Leslie Smith knows more about sacrifice and respect than most of us ever will. If someone who bravely fought in World War 2 finds Corbyn's quiet remembrance acceptable, I wonder how you personally have the nerve to tell a man who fought for this country that his opinion means nothing. | |||
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"I would say let's just wait and see. However, it goes to show what a fine man Corbyn is. If it takes him having to sing our national anthem so that people like yourself can be reminded that the memorial is about remembering our war dead, which you seem to have no respect for at all, then he can be applauded for his compromise. I don't believe what utter hypocrisy you've just spouted. You defend Corbyn for being a man of his principles, unlike other politicians, then when it's proved he isn't, you extol his virtues of being able to compromise! I suppose you'll be making lame excuses for your lame leader when he compromises on his other principles. And please, don't even suggest that I have no respect for our war dead. I have the utmost respect. Corbyn, however, showed zero respect. He also shows no respect for the British people when he says that the IRA should also be remembered. Friends of mine have died in battle. And in terrorist bombing. So don't even go there.
Corbyn couldn't even be bothered to do up his top button on his shirt, had his tie loose around his neck, look disheveled at the memorial service, another mark of disrespect along side not singing the national anthem. The man is a disgrace.
Harry Leslie Smith knows more about sacrifice and respect than most of us ever will. If someone who bravely fought in World War 2 finds Corbyn's quiet remembrance acceptable, I wonder how you personally have the nerve to tell a man who fought for this country that his opinion means nothing.
"Maybe someone should say that to Kate Green (one of Corbyn's new shadow cabinet members) because her words were on BBC radio 4 this morning and I quote "Jeremy offended and hurt" people by not singing the national anthem at the memorial service. Winston Churchill's grandson Sir Nicolas Soames said "not singing was rude and very disrespectful". It seems Corbyn has done another u-turn now though and The Labour party have said he will sing at all future events. | |||
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"I would say let's just wait and see. However, it goes to show what a fine man Corbyn is. If it takes him having to sing our national anthem so that people like yourself can be reminded that the memorial is about remembering our war dead, which you seem to have no respect for at all, then he can be applauded for his compromise. I don't believe what utter hypocrisy you've just spouted. You defend Corbyn for being a man of his principles, unlike other politicians, then when it's proved he isn't, you extol his virtues of being able to compromise! I suppose you'll be making lame excuses for your lame leader when he compromises on his other principles. And please, don't even suggest that I have no respect for our war dead. I have the utmost respect. Corbyn, however, showed zero respect. He also shows no respect for the British people when he says that the IRA should also be remembered. Friends of mine have died in battle. And in terrorist bombing. So don't even go there. I did go there. Nothing you have said proves that you have any respect for our war dead...in fact, it proves the opposite. The fact that you continue to attempt to reduce a memorial service for our brave Battle of Britain service people to the level of a political football for sport on a forum demonstrates what little respect you have for the sacrifice they gave to protect our way of life. It tells everything Harry Leslie Smith, an actual veteran of the RAF in World War 2, is in full support of Jeremy Corbyn not singing the national anthem, while so called 'patriots' are not. He would view your posts with disgust. " And there are plenty of others saying the opposite. And it was Corbyn who first made a political statement by not singing the anthem. And you confirmed that when you said it was good to see him standing by his political principles! I merely commented on it. How does what I've said prove the opposite? I note, however, that you are now only cherry picking from my comments, and ignoring what you can't defend. How do you feel about Corbyn's stance on the IRA? Pray tell.... | |||
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