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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?" Possibly but very few people want an equal society. Most want to have more than the next person. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?" hey how can you ask a serious question with your Dick on display and does it really matter what the politician displays as his manifesto bottom line is its a job that leads to better jobs that pay his bills and allow him to be the style guru he is  | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?hey how can you ask a serious question with your Dick on display and does it really matter what the politician displays as his manifesto bottom line is its a job that leads to better jobs that pay his bills and allow him to be the style guru he is "Have a look again, its a torso lol. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts? Possibly but very few people want an equal society. Most want to have more than the next person." In the same way that people turned to UKIP, certain socialists wish to exploit economics, immigration and the woe's of the world with very little to offer other than rhetoric. Interesting times. | |||
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".......... Possibly but very few people want an equal society. Most want to have more than the next person." Most people want a more equal society than we have now. Most want to have more than they do, without diminishing anyone else. | |||
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".......... Possibly but very few people want an equal society. Most want to have more than the next person. Most people want a more equal society than we have now. Most want to have more than they do, without diminishing anyone else." I hope so. | |||
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"The problem with ideologies, whether political or religious, is that they sound good, and would be good if managed properly, but are inevitably screwed up by the people in charge." That's cos (mostly) the wrong people are in charge. | |||
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"The problem with ideologies, whether political or religious, is that they sound good, and would be good if managed properly, but are inevitably screwed up by the people in charge. That's cos (mostly) the wrong people are in charge." Anyone who hankers after power will be the wrong person to be in charge. Its a problem. | |||
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"The problem with ideologies, whether political or religious, is that they sound good, and would be good if managed properly, but are inevitably screwed up by the people in charge. That's cos (mostly) the wrong people are in charge." And failure isn't an excuse not to at least try. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, " Sorry, I couldn't get past this bit for laughing. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, Sorry, I couldn't get past this bit for laughing." The Tories won a slim majority and their main competitor were in tatters with a leader no one wanted. It isn't that laughable. | |||
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"The problem with ideologies, whether political or religious, is that they sound good, and would be good if managed properly, but are inevitably screwed up by the people in charge. That's cos (mostly) the wrong people are in charge. And failure isn't an excuse not to at least try." It has been tried, several times. | |||
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"The problem with ideologies, whether political or religious, is that they sound good, and would be good if managed properly, but are inevitably screwed up by the people in charge. That's cos (mostly) the wrong people are in charge. And failure isn't an excuse not to at least try. It has been tried, several times. " So that's a reason to stop? | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?hey how can you ask a serious question with your Dick on display and does it really matter what the politician doisplays as his manifesto bottom line is its a job that leads to better jobs that pay his bills and allow him to be the style guru he is Have a look again, its a torso lol."hey I am going blind but I can see a Dick I got the magnifying glass out | |||
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"The problem with ideologies, whether political or religious, is that they sound good, and would be good if managed properly, but are inevitably screwed up by the people in charge. That's cos (mostly) the wrong people are in charge. And failure isn't an excuse not to at least try. It has been tried, several times. So that's a reason to stop?" As I said, its the people involved that have to make it work. I might have socialist tendencies but even I would balk at huge tax rises to pay for people less fortunate than me. (Not saying that's what's going to happen, but its on of the tenets of socialism). People need to be educated, but the don't wan to be. I am just being pessimistic I am sure, but it would have to be a huge change of mindset to get this country ready for socialism. Then we have to consider the effect of other countries on that. I can't imagine for a moment that the US would be happy with it, especially as they seem to be stampeding towards isolationism at a great rate. We would definitely need to rely more on our European neighbours, and 10 mins on this site alone shows what most English people think of that. | |||
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"I for one think it would be a good idea..we should model ourselves on the Scandinavian countries ideas " That's right, they got a good system there. | |||
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"I for one think it would be a good idea..we should model ourselves on the Scandinavian countries ideas " Yes! More cute blondes. | |||
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"The problem with ideologies, whether political or religious, is that they sound good, and would be good if managed properly, but are inevitably screwed up by the people in charge. That's cos (mostly) the wrong people are in charge. And failure isn't an excuse not to at least try. It has been tried, several times. So that's a reason to stop? As I said, its the people involved that have to make it work. I might have socialist tendencies but even I would balk at huge tax rises to pay for people less fortunate than me. (Not saying that's what's going to happen, but its on of the tenets of socialism). People need to be educated, but the don't wan to be. I am just being pessimistic I am sure, but it would have to be a huge change of mindset to get this country ready for socialism. Then we have to consider the effect of other countries on that. I can't imagine for a moment that the US would be happy with it, especially as they seem to be stampeding towards isolationism at a great rate. We would definitely need to rely more on our European neighbours, and 10 mins on this site alone shows what most English people think of that." Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle " I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War." Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU " I agree that we'll stay in. But people will still mutter and grumble, and blame the EU for everything bad, and pretend it does nothing good. | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU I agree that we'll stay in. But people will still mutter and grumble, and blame the EU for everything bad, and pretend it does nothing good." Moaning and grumble is an British thing lo...we grumble about everything ...but me i think Labour electing Jeremy Corbin as there leader is great news..it now gives clear light between the parties...i hope he now clears out all the right wing blairights in the party...and gets some sensible policies in place..the ones that actually give people a choice | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU I agree that we'll stay in. But people will still mutter and grumble, and blame the EU for everything bad, and pretend it does nothing good. Moaning and grumble is an British thing lo...we grumble about everything ...but me i think Labour electing Jeremy Corbin as there leader is great news..it now gives clear light between the parties...i hope he now clears out all the right wing blairights in the party...and gets some sensible policies in place..the ones that actually give people a choice " I must admit that I do agree with the bit about putting some daylight between the two major party's, and giving people a choice on policies can only be welcomed. However the last time there was clear daylight between the Tory's and Labour was 1983. Somehow I don't think you need reminding of the result. | |||
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"free healthcare, no tax for the poor, state subsidised housing, farming, transport. The right to form a union and withdraw your labour, unemployment benefits, the rich taxed to give to the poor. this is socislism. its communism corbins thinking of. " Nah i think we have all moved on from that form of socialism if im honest...i think hes about making things fair and equal for everyone...not just the few like we have now | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU I agree that we'll stay in. But people will still mutter and grumble, and blame the EU for everything bad, and pretend it does nothing good. Moaning and grumble is an British thing lo...we grumble about everything ...but me i think Labour electing Jeremy Corbin as there leader is great news..it now gives clear light between the parties...i hope he now clears out all the right wing blairights in the party...and gets some sensible policies in place..the ones that actually give people a choice I must admit that I do agree with the bit about putting some daylight between the two major party's, and giving people a choice on policies can only be welcomed. However the last time there was clear daylight between the Tory's and Labour was 1983. Somehow I don't think you need reminding of the result. "Yeah..didnt we go to war with Argentina | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?" Of course you think it sounds good ! So many times over the years we have seen you say how you don't work because you are too busy with training and lifting weights to have a job ! So anyone who prefers not to work hard to get further in life is going to agree that socialism is the way forward aren't they ? For those who are prepared to work , take risks and reap the reward of their efforts , socialism is going to be a tough one to get their head around while there is a society believing they should get everything for nothing . | |||
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"I for one think it would be a good idea..we should model ourselves on the Scandinavian countries ideas " UKIP would also support this as they're not in the euro either. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts? Of course you think it sounds good ! So many times over the years we have seen you say how you don't work because you are too busy with training and lifting weights to have a job ! So anyone who prefers not to work hard to get further in life is going to agree that socialism is the way forward aren't they ? For those who are prepared to work , take risks and reap the reward of their efforts , socialism is going to be a tough one to get their head around while there is a society believing they should get everything for nothing . " Excuse me, but I do work part time, but yeah, but I guess that's why I like it. | |||
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"I for one think it would be a good idea..we should model ourselves on the Scandinavian countries ideas UKIP would also support this as they're not in the euro either." As far as im aware..theres only Norway thats not a member of the EU | |||
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"free healthcare, no tax for the poor, state subsidised housing, farming, transport. The right to form a union and withdraw your labour, unemployment benefits, the rich taxed to give to the poor. this is socislism. its communism corbins thinking of. " This is how things are at the moment, though the Tories would change much if not all of it. What would happen eg if someone couldn't afford life saving medical treatment? | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU I agree that we'll stay in. But people will still mutter and grumble, and blame the EU for everything bad, and pretend it does nothing good. Moaning and grumble is an British thing lo...we grumble about everything ...but me i think Labour electing Jeremy Corbin as there leader is great news..it now gives clear light between the parties...i hope he now clears out all the right wing blairights in the party...and gets some sensible policies in place..the ones that actually give people a choice I must admit that I do agree with the bit about putting some daylight between the two major party's, and giving people a choice on policies can only be welcomed. However the last time there was clear daylight between the Tory's and Labour was 1983. Somehow I don't think you need reminding of the result.
Yeah..didnt we go to war with Argentina "That was a full year before the election. Although there was a bit of a "Falklands Factor" in the result, the size of it was more than exaggerated as an excuse for Labour's complete failure. What was the Labour manifesto nicknamed at the time? Oh yes. The longest political suicide note in history. Soon to be relegated to second place methinks. | |||
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"I for one think it would be a good idea..we should model ourselves on the Scandinavian countries ideas " 25% VAT? | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU I agree that we'll stay in. But people will still mutter and grumble, and blame the EU for everything bad, and pretend it does nothing good. Moaning and grumble is an British thing lo...we grumble about everything ...but me i think Labour electing Jeremy Corbin as there leader is great news..it now gives clear light between the parties...i hope he now clears out all the right wing blairights in the party...and gets some sensible policies in place..the ones that actually give people a choice I must admit that I do agree with the bit about putting some daylight between the two major party's, and giving people a choice on policies can only be welcomed. However the last time there was clear daylight between the Tory's and Labour was 1983. Somehow I don't think you need reminding of the result.
Yeah..didnt we go to war with Argentina
That was a full year before the election. Although there was a bit of a "Falklands Factor" in the result, the size of it was more than exaggerated as an excuse for Labour's complete failure.
What was the Labour manifesto nicknamed at the time?
Oh yes. The longest political suicide note in history. Soon to be relegated to second place methinks. "A bit....and yes i do agree things had to change from the old labour...the same as i think things have to change now...and yes i do work | |||
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"I for one think it would be a good idea..we should model ourselves on the Scandinavian countries ideas 25% VAT?" Why not...and a living wage for the poorer in our society...combined with proper training for our young people...not just throwing them into university | |||
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"I for one think it would be a good idea..we should model ourselves on the Scandinavian countries ideas UKIP would also support this as they're not in the euro either. As far as im aware..theres only Norway thats not a member of the EU " I said euro. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts? Of course you think it sounds good ! So many times over the years we have seen you say how you don't work because you are too busy with training and lifting weights to have a job ! So anyone who prefers not to work hard to get further in life is going to agree that socialism is the way forward aren't they ? For those who are prepared to work , take risks and reap the reward of their efforts , socialism is going to be a tough one to get their head around while there is a society believing they should get everything for nothing . Excuse me, but I do work part time, but yeah, but I guess that's why I like it." My apologies  | |||
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"I for one think it would be a good idea..we should model ourselves on the Scandinavian countries ideas UKIP would also support this as they're not in the euro either. As far as im aware..theres only Norway thats not a member of the EU I said euro. " I must be missing your point...as i quoted the EU originally...not what currency we use...im happy with the pound..but it wouldnt bother me if we were to introduce the euro | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU I agree that we'll stay in. But people will still mutter and grumble, and blame the EU for everything bad, and pretend it does nothing good. Moaning and grumble is an British thing lo...we grumble about everything ...but me i think Labour electing Jeremy Corbin as there leader is great news..it now gives clear light between the parties...i hope he now clears out all the right wing blairights in the party...and gets some sensible policies in place..the ones that actually give people a choice I must admit that I do agree with the bit about putting some daylight between the two major party's, and giving people a choice on policies can only be welcomed. However the last time there was clear daylight between the Tory's and Labour was 1983. Somehow I don't think you need reminding of the result.
Yeah..didnt we go to war with Argentina
That was a full year before the election. Although there was a bit of a "Falklands Factor" in the result, the size of it was more than exaggerated as an excuse for Labour's complete failure.
What was the Labour manifesto nicknamed at the time?
Oh yes. The longest political suicide note in history. Soon to be relegated to second place methinks.
A bit....and yes i do agree things had to change from the old labour...the same as i think things have to change now...and yes i do work"I never thought for one moment that you didn't. Change from "Old Labour"? Surely Corbyn is a bit like "Back to the Future" | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts? Of course you think it sounds good ! So many times over the years we have seen you say how you don't work because you are too busy with training and lifting weights to have a job ! So anyone who prefers not to work hard to get further in life is going to agree that socialism is the way forward aren't they ? For those who are prepared to work , take risks and reap the reward of their efforts , socialism is going to be a tough one to get their head around while there is a society believing they should get everything for nothing . Excuse me, but I do work part time, but yeah, but I guess that's why I like it. My apologies "lol its ok  | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU I agree that we'll stay in. But people will still mutter and grumble, and blame the EU for everything bad, and pretend it does nothing good. Moaning and grumble is an British thing lo...we grumble about everything ...but me i think Labour electing Jeremy Corbin as there leader is great news..it now gives clear light between the parties...i hope he now clears out all the right wing blairights in the party...and gets some sensible policies in place..the ones that actually give people a choice I must admit that I do agree with the bit about putting some daylight between the two major party's, and giving people a choice on policies can only be welcomed. However the last time there was clear daylight between the Tory's and Labour was 1983. Somehow I don't think you need reminding of the result.
Yeah..didnt we go to war with Argentina
That was a full year before the election. Although there was a bit of a "Falklands Factor" in the result, the size of it was more than exaggerated as an excuse for Labour's complete failure.
What was the Labour manifesto nicknamed at the time?
Oh yes. The longest political suicide note in history. Soon to be relegated to second place methinks.
A bit....and yes i do agree things had to change from the old labour...the same as i think things have to change now...and yes i do work
I never thought for one moment that you didn't.
Change from "Old Labour"? Surely Corbyn is a bit like "Back to the Future""I dont to be honest..like i said earlier..i think we have moved on from that period in time...peoples attitudes have changed a lot...i just think we need something a whole lot different | |||
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"Socialism is a great idea. But when all the rich. And the multi nationals have left the country, where will the money come from so i can sit watching jerermy kyle all day on my 50 inch plasma while i pick my ass?" Is that what we did before ??? | |||
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"socialism can only work in small groups, once the group gets too large it breaks down, they will always be those who believe they deserve more. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" "None more elite than the elite of communist countries.....everyones equal? | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU I agree that we'll stay in. But people will still mutter and grumble, and blame the EU for everything bad, and pretend it does nothing good. Moaning and grumble is an British thing lo...we grumble about everything ...but me i think Labour electing Jeremy Corbin as there leader is great news..it now gives clear light between the parties...i hope he now clears out all the right wing blairights in the party...and gets some sensible policies in place..the ones that actually give people a choice I must admit that I do agree with the bit about putting some daylight between the two major party's, and giving people a choice on policies can only be welcomed. However the last time there was clear daylight between the Tory's and Labour was 1983. Somehow I don't think you need reminding of the result.
Yeah..didnt we go to war with Argentina
That was a full year before the election. Although there was a bit of a "Falklands Factor" in the result, the size of it was more than exaggerated as an excuse for Labour's complete failure.
What was the Labour manifesto nicknamed at the time?
Oh yes. The longest political suicide note in history. Soon to be relegated to second place methinks.
A bit....and yes i do agree things had to change from the old labour...the same as i think things have to change now...and yes i do work
I never thought for one moment that you didn't.
Change from "Old Labour"? Surely Corbyn is a bit like "Back to the Future"
I dont to be honest..like i said earlier..i think we have moved on from that period in time...peoples attitudes have changed a lot...i just think we need something a whole lot different "Of course politics needs a bloody good shake up from all sides, but I don't think an British version of Tsipras is going to be the answer. | |||
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"Socialism is a great idea. But when all the rich. And the multi nationals have left the country, where will the money come from so i can sit watching jerermy kyle all day on my 50 inch plasma while i pick my ass?" This is the threat which is often trotted out. The rich and multinationals won't go. They have too much invested in the UK, particularly in London, to leave. | |||
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU I agree that we'll stay in. But people will still mutter and grumble, and blame the EU for everything bad, and pretend it does nothing good. Moaning and grumble is an British thing lo...we grumble about everything ...but me i think Labour electing Jeremy Corbin as there leader is great news..it now gives clear light between the parties...i hope he now clears out all the right wing blairights in the party...and gets some sensible policies in place..the ones that actually give people a choice I must admit that I do agree with the bit about putting some daylight between the two major party's, and giving people a choice on policies can only be welcomed. However the last time there was clear daylight between the Tory's and Labour was 1983. Somehow I don't think you need reminding of the result.
Yeah..didnt we go to war with Argentina
That was a full year before the election. Although there was a bit of a "Falklands Factor" in the result, the size of it was more than exaggerated as an excuse for Labour's complete failure.
What was the Labour manifesto nicknamed at the time?
Oh yes. The longest political suicide note in history. Soon to be relegated to second place methinks.
A bit....and yes i do agree things had to change from the old labour...the same as i think things have to change now...and yes i do work
I never thought for one moment that you didn't.
Change from "Old Labour"? Surely Corbyn is a bit like "Back to the Future"
I dont to be honest..like i said earlier..i think we have moved on from that period in time...peoples attitudes have changed a lot...i just think we need something a whole lot different
Of course politics needs a bloody good shake up from all sides, but I don't think an British version of Tsipras is going to be the answer."Probably not...but we all need to do something about it...and maybe just maybe he might be right with his manifesto | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote" Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either " Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.)" i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion | |||
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"Let's not make personal remarks against individual forum users. I dont think anyone has..have they " against shags choice not to work | |||
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"Let's not make personal remarks against individual forum users. Shut up Steve, you smell. "yes, I do. Lush, actually | |||
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"Let's not make personal remarks against individual forum users. I dont think anyone has..have they against shags choice not to work " Ah she apologised for that | |||
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"Let's not make personal remarks against individual forum users. I dont think anyone has..have they against shags choice not to work Ah she apologised for that "Well that made me look like a right twat then didn't it?!  | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?" . I thought that it was Jeremie's intention to make society alot more unequal. He intends to ditch spending cuts and tax middle income families more in addition to re nationalising railways . If people work hard and earn a good salary , why should they pay additional taxes to subsidise the bone idle. Socialism would destoy our economy . Those who take risks and create lots of new jobs should not be penalised by having to pay additional taxation. Every single thing that you have in life has to be earned ..Why should the successfull be expected to subsidise the bone idle . We need a vibrant economy in order to support the welfare system.. | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion " Grammar School ? I think you have your institutions muddled somewhat old chap | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion Grammar School ? I think you have your institutions muddled somewhat old chap " An old labour saying granny | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion Grammar School ? I think you have your institutions muddled somewhat old chap An old labour saying granny "It really isn't. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?. I thought that it was Jeremie's intention to make society alot more unequal. He intends to ditch spending cuts and tax middle income families more in addition to re nationalising railways . If people work hard and earn a good salary , why should they pay additional taxes to subsidise the bone idle. Socialism would destoy our economy . Those who take risks and create lots of new jobs should not be penalised by having to pay additional taxation. Every single thing that you have in life has to be earned ..Why should the successfull be expected to subsidise the bone idle . We need a vibrant economy in order to support the welfare system.." I dont know where you have read hes going to increase taxation on middle income families tbh | |||
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"I don't think you can underestimate the power of the "smugness" factor. There are an awful lot of people being turned off by the sycophantic media bombardment that has been the Corbyn campaign. Outside the Guardian-reading, London-centric twenty and thirty-something bubble, I know a lot of Labour supporters who feel embarrassed by it. They weren't necessarily enthused by the alternative candidates but are people who would have rallied behind a Dan Jarvis, Chuka Umunna or Keir Starmer. The 'Tory Scum' type rhetoric that comes not from Corbyn himself but many of his supporters is incredibly damaging by putting the backs of a lot of potential Labour voters up. If you're someone who considered all the manifestos and decided to vote Conservative at the last election, and then Charlotte Church comes along to call you scum for it, I don't see how that is going to encourage you to think about wanting to consider any of his policies seriously. It's the fact that among certain sections you can't even voice a concern or a criticism without being derided as right wing, fascist, selfish, heartless. When did centrist become such a dirty word? We criticise politicians for tending towards the centre but I'd rather that as a choice than choosing between the hard left and the extreme right. " Well said! | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion Grammar School ? I think you have your institutions muddled somewhat old chap An old labour saying granny
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"Personally i think its a myth thats put about that the majority of people are not happy being in the EU..so i dont see that as any obstacle I don't, but that doesn't mean I think its a bad thing. I still think it would take an cataclysmic event to get the people of England to accept a change to socialism. Like another World War. Wait till we have the referendum on the EU....i'll bet a penny to a pound the stay in vote wins...if anything to make socialism work..we need to be closer in the EU I agree that we'll stay in. But people will still mutter and grumble, and blame the EU for everything bad, and pretend it does nothing good. Moaning and grumble is an British thing lo...we grumble about everything ...but me i think Labour electing Jeremy Corbin as there leader is great news..it now gives clear light between the parties...i hope he now clears out all the right wing blairights in the party...and gets some sensible policies in place..the ones that actually give people a choice " . If the Blairites are cleared out _things will only get worse for Labour . Jeremy Corbyn does not have a hope of being prime minister ever . Tony Blair was elected because he realised that the party needed to move to the right in order to obtain votes . At. least he had vision and foresight in addition to being very presentable . | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?. I thought that it was Jeremie's intention to make society alot more unequal. He intends to ditch spending cuts and tax middle income families more in addition to re nationalising railways . If people work hard and earn a good salary , why should they pay additional taxes to subsidise the bone idle. Socialism would destoy our economy . Those who take risks and create lots of new jobs should not be penalised by having to pay additional taxation. Every single thing that you have in life has to be earned ..Why should the successfull be expected to subsidise the bone idle . We need a vibrant economy in order to support the welfare system.. I dont know where you have read hes going to increase taxation on middle income families tbh " . See page 7 of today's Sunday Mail. If you are saying that this is wrong , how else is he going to fund his policies ? | |||
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"if I have educated myself better and worked harder in a more demanding role and achieved more, I want more. " 
I work extremely hard for everything i haveb(and its still not much btw) ... don't much fancy giving it away so I can be 'equal' with my neighbour | |||
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" ........... Of course politics needs a bloody good shake up from all sides, but I don't think an British version of Tsipras is going to be the answer. When you say Tsipras, do you mean the guy who became Prime Minister of his country? The job you reckon JC won't get?" At the time the Greeks elected Tsipras I think they would have voted for anyone who promised to stand up to the EU and end austerity. Typical of the hard left he promised everything and delivered closed banks, ATM withdrawals limited to 60€ per day, a spike in the suicide rate, and at the end of it all a humiliating climb down. Then he pissed off. Somehow I don't think the British people will be desperate enough or stupid enough to risk the same. Corbyn get elected? I know you are a die hard Labour man and although I will argue with you and hardly ever agree with you I do actually respect your point of _iew. But come on Onny, deep down you must know that this is really not good for the Labour party. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?. I thought that it was Jeremie's intention to make society alot more unequal. He intends to ditch spending cuts and tax middle income families more in addition to re nationalising railways . If people work hard and earn a good salary , why should they pay additional taxes to subsidise the bone idle. Socialism would destoy our economy . Those who take risks and create lots of new jobs should not be penalised by having to pay additional taxation. Every single thing that you have in life has to be earned ..Why should the successfull be expected to subsidise the bone idle . We need a vibrant economy in order to support the welfare system.. I dont know where you have read hes going to increase taxation on middle income families tbh . See page 7 of today's Sunday Mail. If you are saying that this is wrong , how else is he going to fund his policies ? " No thanks...i wouldnt believe the Sunday mail if they told me it was Sunday today...read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33772024 | |||
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"if I have educated myself better and worked harder in a more demanding role and achieved more, I want more.
I work extremely hard for everything i haveb(and its still not much btw) ... don't much fancy giving it away so I can be 'equal' with my neighbour". Same here . If my neighbours want to be equal with me , they can go out and earn it . I made many sacrifices when I was younger and intend keeping what I have for myself. I work full time and also run a business in addition to helping someone who is disabled . I have no intention of lowering my standards to help others who were not prepared to take the same risks. | |||
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" Nah i think we have all moved on from that form of socialism if im honest...i think hes about making things fair and equal for everyone...not just the few like we have now " I think things begin fair and equal ... we are all born into free healthcare and then are propvided a free education .... it becomes unequal when some people chose to make the most of those opportunites and others wonder what else they can get for free  | |||
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"35% of M.P's in the 2010 elections attended independent schools. 43% attended state comprehensives 22% attended state Grammar " Its risen since then...and guess who this quote comes from ‘You only have to look at the make-up of the high levels of parliament, the judiciary, the army, the media. It's not as diverse; there's not as much social mobility as there needs to be’ | |||
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" ........... Of course politics needs a bloody good shake up from all sides, but I don't think an British version of Tsipras is going to be the answer. When you say Tsipras, do you mean the guy who became Prime Minister of his country? The job you reckon JC won't get? At the time the Greeks elected Tsipras I think they would have voted for anyone who promised to stand up to the EU and end austerity. Typical of the hard left he promised everything and delivered closed banks, ATM withdrawals limited to 60€ per day, a spike in the suicide rate, and at the end of it all a humiliating climb down. Then he pissed off. Somehow I don't think the British people will be desperate enough or stupid enough to risk the same. Corbyn get elected? I know you are a die hard Labour man and although I will argue with you and hardly ever agree with you I do actually respect your point of _iew. But come on Onny, deep down you must know that this is really not good for the Labour party." . Deep down everyone must know that his election is a disaster for the Labour party . Tony Blair won because he moved the party to the right of centre . | |||
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" Nah i think we have all moved on from that form of socialism if im honest...i think hes about making things fair and equal for everyone...not just the few like we have now I think things begin fair and equal ... we are all born into free healthcare and then are propvided a free education .... it becomes unequal when some people chose to make the most of those opportunites and others wonder what else they can get for free "These free things as you speak of were introduced by a certain government ...and hijacked by others...you only have to look at the state its in now...waiting weeks for an appointment..but if you have private insurance then top of the list you go  | |||
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" Nah i think we have all moved on from that form of socialism if im honest...i think hes about making things fair and equal for everyone...not just the few like we have now I think things begin fair and equal ... we are all born into free healthcare and then are propvided a free education .... it becomes unequal when some people chose to make the most of those opportunites and others wonder what else they can get for free ". Excellent quote and a precise explanation as to why some achieve more in life than others | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?" He will finish the labour party and if he ever came to be prime minister he would bankrupt Britain!!! He couldn't run a corner shop let alone the country!! | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion " I don't know where you get the idea that grammar school pupils have no understanding of "what normal people are going through". I'll be sure to tell my grandparents (a steel worker, a bricklayer, worked in service and a school dinner lady respectively) that they were all rich and out of touch for encouraging their children to go to one. | |||
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" ........... Of course politics needs a bloody good shake up from all sides, but I don't think an British version of Tsipras is going to be the answer. When you say Tsipras, do you mean the guy who became Prime Minister of his country? The job you reckon JC won't get?" I think he meant Tsipras the guy who promised an anti austerity agenda for Greece, then got into power and buckled under his EU paymasters. | |||
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" Nah i think we have all moved on from that form of socialism if im honest...i think hes about making things fair and equal for everyone...not just the few like we have now I think things begin fair and equal ... we are all born into free healthcare and then are propvided a free education .... it becomes unequal when some people chose to make the most of those opportunites and others wonder what else they can get for free
These free things as you speak of were introduced by a certain government ...and hijacked by others...you only have to look at the state its in now...waiting weeks for an appointment..but if you have private insurance then top of the list you go ". What is wrong with private health insurance ?. It saves the government money and in addition if the employer pays the premium you are also taxed on as a benefit in kind. People have a choice as to how they spend their money. | |||
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"35% of M.P's in the 2010 elections attended independent schools. 43% attended state comprehensives 22% attended state Grammar Its risen since then...and guess who this quote comes from ‘You only have to look at the make-up of the high levels of parliament, the judiciary, the army, the media. It's not as diverse; there's not as much social mobility as there needs to be’" And grammar schools were a pretty effective way of encouraging social mobility. | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion I don't know where you get the idea that grammar school pupils have no understanding of "what normal people are going through". I'll be sure to tell my grandparents (a steel worker, a bricklayer, worked in service and a school dinner lady respectively) that they were all rich and out of touch for encouraging their children to go to one." I did say i used the wrong term ..if your covering this thread | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion " . People should be proud that they have attended a good school..Most parents want their children to attend good schools and achieve things in life . Those who attended good quality schools probably have a much more broad minded approach to life and understand what your so called normal people are going through . | |||
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"35% of M.P's in the 2010 elections attended independent schools. 43% attended state comprehensives 22% attended state Grammar Its risen since then...and guess who this quote comes from ‘You only have to look at the make-up of the high levels of parliament, the judiciary, the army, the media. It's not as diverse; there's not as much social mobility as there needs to be’ And grammar schools were a pretty effective way of encouraging social mobility. " Quote PARENTS IN most parts of the country must be bemused by the sudden upsurge of campaigning to get rid of grammar schools and their unloved but inevitable stablemates, the secondary moderns. Most local authorities - of all political persuasions - abolished selection for secondary education in the Seventies. More than 90 per cent of secondary-age children now attend comprehensive schools. And Margaret Thatcher holds the prize as the secretary of state who closed or merged the most grammar schools for a comprehensive alternative. | |||
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"free healthcare, no tax for the poor, state subsidised housing, farming, transport. The right to form a union and withdraw your labour, unemployment benefits, the rich taxed to give to the poor. this is socislism. its communism corbins thinking of. " The EU is the new Communism www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RjUJy7kDOM | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion I don't know where you get the idea that grammar school pupils have no understanding of "what normal people are going through". I'll be sure to tell my grandparents (a steel worker, a bricklayer, worked in service and a school dinner lady respectively) that they were all rich and out of touch for encouraging their children to go to one. I did say i used the wrong term ..if your covering this thread " I didn't see that, I saw you saying that it was an old Labour expression. The statement was just, to me, emblematic of a lot of the hypocrisy around this. If you can deride one set of politicians for their background why are another immune from it? What 'relevance' does the privately educated, older male central London MP Jeremy Corbyn have to my life as a youngish comprehensive school educated woman living in the north? (I don't believe background is an issue, by the way, but apparently you and everyone who criticises the background of the previous shadow cabinet does.) And yes I know it was Mrs T who closed a lot of the grammar schools. Like it was Harold Wilson who closed the most pits. I'm not sure what your point is. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?. I thought that it was Jeremie's intention to make society alot more unequal. He intends to ditch spending cuts and tax middle income families more in addition to re nationalising railways . If people work hard and earn a good salary , why should they pay additional taxes to subsidise the bone idle. Socialism would destoy our economy . Those who take risks and create lots of new jobs should not be penalised by having to pay additional taxation. Every single thing that you have in life has to be earned ..Why should the successfull be expected to subsidise the bone idle . We need a vibrant economy in order to support the welfare system.. I dont know where you have read hes going to increase taxation on middle income families tbh " No Corbyn thinks money grows on trees and he thinks he can just print free money to pay for all his plans. Someone should inform him (as Yvette Cooper did to her credit in the labour leadership debate on sky news last week), that money is not free, and someone will have to pay for it somewhere down the line. Corbyn would have this country bankrupt within 5 years if he had his way. | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion I don't know where you get the idea that grammar school pupils have no understanding of "what normal people are going through". I'll be sure to tell my grandparents (a steel worker, a bricklayer, worked in service and a school dinner lady respectively) that they were all rich and out of touch for encouraging their children to go to one. I did say i used the wrong term ..if your covering this thread I didn't see that, I saw you saying that it was an old Labour expression. The statement was just, to me, emblematic of a lot of the hypocrisy around this. If you can deride one set of politicians for their background why are another immune from it? What 'relevance' does the privately educated, older male central London MP Jeremy Corbyn have to my life as a youngish comprehensive school educated woman living in the north? (I don't believe background is an issue, by the way, but apparently you and everyone who criticises the background of the previous shadow cabinet does.) And yes I know it was Mrs T who closed a lot of the grammar schools. Like it was Harold Wilson who closed the most pits. I'm not sure what your point is. " My point is we need a change thats all...we cant carry on being as we are...as for all this he will bankrupt the country rubbish...these and the last lot didnt and arnt doing a bad job of it either ...and if you also look...i did say that things in the 80s needed to change as well...i just think we have become such an uncaring society...and would be better adopting the scandinavian model of politics | |||
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"Deep down everyone must know that his election is a disaster for the Labour party . Tony Blair won because he moved the party to the right of centre . " I don't understand why I should think that labour returning to their original political tenets is a disaster for them? At least it gives us non-right leaning people something to vote for. Maybe he'll be successful, maybe he won't, but between a labour back on the left, the SNP, and any Liberals left who actually care about what they stand for, the Tories might actually have a battle on their hands to pass some of their more unfair legislation against the more unfortunate members of society. Allowing businesses to avoid their tax responsibilities while reducing/removing DBA may no longer be as acceptable to MPs if they have a reason to vote against the party in power. | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion I don't know where you get the idea that grammar school pupils have no understanding of "what normal people are going through". I'll be sure to tell my grandparents (a steel worker, a bricklayer, worked in service and a school dinner lady respectively) that they were all rich and out of touch for encouraging their children to go to one. I did say i used the wrong term ..if your covering this thread I didn't see that, I saw you saying that it was an old Labour expression. The statement was just, to me, emblematic of a lot of the hypocrisy around this. If you can deride one set of politicians for their background why are another immune from it? What 'relevance' does the privately educated, older male central London MP Jeremy Corbyn have to my life as a youngish comprehensive school educated woman living in the north? (I don't believe background is an issue, by the way, but apparently you and everyone who criticises the background of the previous shadow cabinet does.) And yes I know it was Mrs T who closed a lot of the grammar schools. Like it was Harold Wilson who closed the most pits. I'm not sure what your point is. My point is we need a change thats all...we cant carry on being as we are...as for all this he will bankrupt the country rubbish...these and the last lot didnt and arnt doing a bad job of it either ...and if you also look...i did say that things in the 80s needed to change as well...i just think we have become such an uncaring society...and would be better adopting the scandinavian model of politics " And that point is totally valid and a lot of people would agree. The problem for me with socialism is that point always seems to be made while criticising someone else, often for their background, opportunities in life or education. | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion I don't know where you get the idea that grammar school pupils have no understanding of "what normal people are going through". I'll be sure to tell my grandparents (a steel worker, a bricklayer, worked in service and a school dinner lady respectively) that they were all rich and out of touch for encouraging their children to go to one. I did say i used the wrong term ..if your covering this thread I didn't see that, I saw you saying that it was an old Labour expression. The statement was just, to me, emblematic of a lot of the hypocrisy around this. If you can deride one set of politicians for their background why are another immune from it? What 'relevance' does the privately educated, older male central London MP Jeremy Corbyn have to my life as a youngish comprehensive school educated woman living in the north? (I don't believe background is an issue, by the way, but apparently you and everyone who criticises the background of the previous shadow cabinet does.) And yes I know it was Mrs T who closed a lot of the grammar schools. Like it was Harold Wilson who closed the most pits. I'm not sure what your point is. " Corbyn is also another one of those London based politicians who has never had another job in the real world outside of politics. | |||
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"Deep down everyone must know that his election is a disaster for the Labour party . Tony Blair won because he moved the party to the right of centre . I don't understand why I should think that labour returning to their original political tenets is a disaster for them? At least it gives us non-right leaning people something to vote for. Maybe he'll be successful, maybe he won't, but between a labour back on the left, the SNP, and any Liberals left who actually care about what they stand for, the Tories might actually have a battle on their hands to pass some of their more unfair legislation against the more unfortunate members of society. Allowing businesses to avoid their tax responsibilities while reducing/removing DBA may no longer be as acceptable to MPs if they have a reason to vote against the party in power." | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion I don't know where you get the idea that grammar school pupils have no understanding of "what normal people are going through". I'll be sure to tell my grandparents (a steel worker, a bricklayer, worked in service and a school dinner lady respectively) that they were all rich and out of touch for encouraging their children to go to one. I did say i used the wrong term ..if your covering this thread I didn't see that, I saw you saying that it was an old Labour expression. The statement was just, to me, emblematic of a lot of the hypocrisy around this. If you can deride one set of politicians for their background why are another immune from it? What 'relevance' does the privately educated, older male central London MP Jeremy Corbyn have to my life as a youngish comprehensive school educated woman living in the north? (I don't believe background is an issue, by the way, but apparently you and everyone who criticises the background of the previous shadow cabinet does.) And yes I know it was Mrs T who closed a lot of the grammar schools. Like it was Harold Wilson who closed the most pits. I'm not sure what your point is. My point is we need a change thats all...we cant carry on being as we are...as for all this he will bankrupt the country rubbish...these and the last lot didnt and arnt doing a bad job of it either ...and if you also look...i did say that things in the 80s needed to change as well...i just think we have become such an uncaring society...and would be better adopting the scandinavian model of politics " The previous coalition were attacked when they raised VAT from 15% to 20%. The allegation was that an increase in VAT disproportionately affects the poor. Norway, Sweden and Denmark all have VAT rates of 25%. You say "something has to change." Why? Britain has the most successful economy in Europe and testament to that is the simple fact that so many people want to come and live here. This country provides opportunity for people, only those who would rather be spoon fed think that change is needed. For those who are willing to take advantage of the opportunities available - Brirtain is Great. | |||
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" No Corbyn thinks money grows on trees and he thinks he can just print free money to pay for all his plans. Someone should inform him (as Yvette Cooper did to her credit in the labour leadership debate on sky news last week), that money is not free, and someone will have to pay for it somewhere down the line. Corbyn would have this country bankrupt within 5 years if he had his way. " sounds alot like nicola sturgeon!  if she gets her way no one in scotland will ever pay for anything ever again
unsurprisingly im probably the only one in my constituency that never voted for her party! seems like dangling a free carrot gets you votes so maybe Corbyn will do not too bad afterall ... just pity the state of the country afterwards if he does! | |||
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"Out of anyone in the Labour Party at the moment Corbyn is possibly the most democratic. Look at all the front benchers who resigned yesterday and you can guarantee they will attempt to remove the elected leader to install someone that they want, someone who didn't win the popular vote Yeah all the old grammar school boys resigning...which is not a bad thing in my mind either Christ on a bike, when did being an ex grammar school pupil become a valid political insult? I'm used to jibes levelled at former private school pupils, but grammar schools now too? Have we reached the point where your opinion isn't valid unless you've left school at 8 and served 15 years down a mine? (Unless you're Corbyn himself, of course.) i didnt say they were..but it might help everyone if we had people with some sense of reason to what normal people are going through...and going by your reasoning..thats what the old grammar school boys have done...they didnt like the majority of there members opinion I don't know where you get the idea that grammar school pupils have no understanding of "what normal people are going through". I'll be sure to tell my grandparents (a steel worker, a bricklayer, worked in service and a school dinner lady respectively) that they were all rich and out of touch for encouraging their children to go to one. I did say i used the wrong term ..if your covering this thread I didn't see that, I saw you saying that it was an old Labour expression. The statement was just, to me, emblematic of a lot of the hypocrisy around this. If you can deride one set of politicians for their background why are another immune from it? What 'relevance' does the privately educated, older male central London MP Jeremy Corbyn have to my life as a youngish comprehensive school educated woman living in the north? (I don't believe background is an issue, by the way, but apparently you and everyone who criticises the background of the previous shadow cabinet does.) And yes I know it was Mrs T who closed a lot of the grammar schools. Like it was Harold Wilson who closed the most pits. I'm not sure what your point is. My point is we need a change thats all...we cant carry on being as we are...as for all this he will bankrupt the country rubbish...these and the last lot didnt and arnt doing a bad job of it either ...and if you also look...i did say that things in the 80s needed to change as well...i just think we have become such an uncaring society...and would be better adopting the scandinavian model of politics The previous coalition were attacked when they raised VAT from 15% to 20%. The allegation was that an increase in VAT disproportionately affects the poor. Norway, Sweden and Denmark all have VAT rates of 25%. You say "something has to change." Why? Britain has the most successful economy in Europe and testament to that is the simple fact that so many people want to come and live here. This country provides opportunity for people, only those who would rather be spoon fed think that change is needed. For those who are willing to take advantage of the opportunities available - Brirtain is Great. " Its the 5th largest in Europe so im reading | |||
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" No Corbyn thinks money grows on trees and he thinks he can just print free money to pay for all his plans. Someone should inform him (as Yvette Cooper did to her credit in the labour leadership debate on sky news last week), that money is not free, and someone will have to pay for it somewhere down the line. Corbyn would have this country bankrupt within 5 years if he had his way. sounds alot like nicola sturgeon! if she gets her way no one in scotland will ever pay for anything ever again
unsurprisingly im probably the only one in my constituency that never voted for her party! seems like dangling a free carrot gets you votes so maybe Corbyn will do not too bad afterall ... just pity the state of the country afterwards if he does! "He can dangle all the free carrots he likes, he won't ever get my vote. I also disagree with his position on trident and national defence, which he also seems to be along the same lines as Nicola Sturgeon on. | |||
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"What's more than a little funny about all the Fab Tories who think that Corbyn is going to be 'printing money', is that they clearly don't realise that is exactly what the people they voted into government have been doing for several years, and are going to continue to do. The Conservative Party - winning the votes of the economically illiterate since...well, forever, really. "Not just Fab tories, as i pointed out in my post Yvette Cooper Labour MP also thinks Corbyn will be printing free money. At least thats what she said in the Labour Leadership debate on sky news anyway. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?. I thought that it was Jeremie's intention to make society alot more unequal. He intends to ditch spending cuts and tax middle income families more in addition to re nationalising railways . If people work hard and earn a good salary , why should they pay additional taxes to subsidise the bone idle. Socialism would destoy our economy . Those who take risks and create lots of new jobs should not be penalised by having to pay additional taxation. Every single thing that you have in life has to be earned ..Why should the successfull be expected to subsidise the bone idle . We need a vibrant economy in order to support the welfare system.. I dont know where you have read hes going to increase taxation on middle income families tbh . See page 7 of today's Sunday Mail. If you are saying that this is wrong , how else is he going to fund his policies ? No thanks...i wouldnt believe the Sunday mail if they told me it was Sunday today...read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33772024" That isn't much more than a wish list with hardly a hint of how it would be funded other than by printing money and the usual piffle (that comes from all sides) about cracking down on tax evasion/avoidance. Chuck in the usual soak the rich and cut defence spending that we always hear from the left and that is about it. | |||
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"What's more than a little funny about all the Fab Tories who think that Corbyn is going to be 'printing money', is that they clearly don't realise that is exactly what the people they voted into government have been doing for several years, and are going to continue to do. The Conservative Party - winning the votes of the economically illiterate since...well, forever, really.
Not just Fab tories, as i pointed out in my post Yvette Cooper Labour MP also thinks Corbyn will be printing free money. At least thats what she said in the Labour Leadership debate on sky news anyway. "Exactly. That's one of the reasons she received such a resounding rejection. We want people who oppose Tory lies, not emulate them. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?. I thought that it was Jeremie's intention to make society alot more unequal. He intends to ditch spending cuts and tax middle income families more in addition to re nationalising railways . If people work hard and earn a good salary , why should they pay additional taxes to subsidise the bone idle. Socialism would destoy our economy . Those who take risks and create lots of new jobs should not be penalised by having to pay additional taxation. Every single thing that you have in life has to be earned ..Why should the successfull be expected to subsidise the bone idle . We need a vibrant economy in order to support the welfare system.. I dont know where you have read hes going to increase taxation on middle income families tbh . See page 7 of today's Sunday Mail. If you are saying that this is wrong , how else is he going to fund his policies ? No thanks...i wouldnt believe the Sunday mail if they told me it was Sunday today...read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33772024 That isn't much more than a wish list with hardly a hint of how it would be funded other than by printing money and the usual piffle (that comes from all sides) about cracking down on tax evasion/avoidance. Chuck in the usual soak the rich and cut defence spending that we always hear from the left and that is about it." Hes has said he will if you read the artical...and were printing money now lol | |||
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"What's more than a little funny about all the Fab Tories who think that Corbyn is going to be 'printing money', is that they clearly don't realise that is exactly what the people they voted into government have been doing for several years, and are going to continue to do. The Conservative Party - winning the votes of the economically illiterate since...well, forever, really.
Not just Fab tories, as i pointed out in my post Yvette Cooper Labour MP also thinks Corbyn will be printing free money. At least thats what she said in the Labour Leadership debate on sky news anyway. "Yvette Cooper is a sore loser, and as for printing free money? that's a load of hooey and anyone with a modicum of sense would know that. No politician is their right mind would risk devaluing the pound in this economic climate and anyone with sense understands that although Corbyn might have a wishlist, he will also have people around him advising him what to do. Is it not the case of all MPs to have a manifesto to get voted in? And isn't it tradition that they nearly all renege? The usual names get trotted out by rightwingers about left voters - Guardian readers (never picked up a copy in my life), bleeding heart liberals, etc etc without them wondering why left voters shouldn't be able to express their choice as to who leads their chosen party. God help us if we dare show the same doubt about who they choose to lead theirs though. PS Centaur, I don't include you in that last remark. he fact you've managed to refrain from insulting us left voters for what we believe in is appreciated. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?. I thought that it was Jeremie's intention to make society alot more unequal. He intends to ditch spending cuts and tax middle income families more in addition to re nationalising railways . If people work hard and earn a good salary , why should they pay additional taxes to subsidise the bone idle. Socialism would destoy our economy . Those who take risks and create lots of new jobs should not be penalised by having to pay additional taxation. Every single thing that you have in life has to be earned ..Why should the successfull be expected to subsidise the bone idle . We need a vibrant economy in order to support the welfare system.. I dont know where you have read hes going to increase taxation on middle income families tbh . See page 7 of today's Sunday Mail. If you are saying that this is wrong , how else is he going to fund his policies ? No thanks...i wouldnt believe the Sunday mail if they told me it was Sunday today...read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33772024 That isn't much more than a wish list with hardly a hint of how it would be funded other than by printing money and the usual piffle (that comes from all sides) about cracking down on tax evasion/avoidance. Chuck in the usual soak the rich and cut defence spending that we always hear from the left and that is about it. Hes has said he will if you read the artical...and were printing money now lol " No where near on the scale Corbyn intends to do it, and at least the tories have set out how they intend to pay for it in the long run. Corbyn on the other hand is in cloud cookoo land. | |||
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"What's more than a little funny about all the Fab Tories who think that Corbyn is going to be 'printing money', is that they clearly don't realise that is exactly what the people they voted into government have been doing for several years, and are going to continue to do. The Conservative Party - winning the votes of the economically illiterate since...well, forever, really.
Not just Fab tories, as i pointed out in my post Yvette Cooper Labour MP also thinks Corbyn will be printing free money. At least thats what she said in the Labour Leadership debate on sky news anyway.
Yvette Cooper is a sore loser, and as for printing free money? that's a load of hooey and anyone with a modicum of sense would know that. No politician is their right mind would risk devaluing the pound in this economic climate and anyone with sense understands that although Corbyn might have a wishlist, he will also have people around him advising him what to do.
Is it not the case of all MPs to have a manifesto to get voted in? And isn't it tradition that they nearly all renege? The usual names get trotted out by rightwingers about left voters - Guardian readers (never picked up a copy in my life), bleeding heart liberals, etc etc without them wondering why left voters shouldn't be able to express their choice as to who leads their chosen party. God help us if we dare show the same doubt about who they choose to lead theirs though.
PS Centaur, I don't include you in that last remark. he fact you've managed to refrain from insulting us left voters for what we believe in is appreciated."And this is what I dislike about the reverse argument too...how many times on these forums do you see anyone expressing anything other than a left wing _iew derided as a Daily Mail reader. It's a standard retort and equally patronising. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?. I thought that it was Jeremie's intention to make society alot more unequal. He intends to ditch spending cuts and tax middle income families more in addition to re nationalising railways . If people work hard and earn a good salary , why should they pay additional taxes to subsidise the bone idle. Socialism would destoy our economy . Those who take risks and create lots of new jobs should not be penalised by having to pay additional taxation. Every single thing that you have in life has to be earned ..Why should the successfull be expected to subsidise the bone idle . We need a vibrant economy in order to support the welfare system.. I dont know where you have read hes going to increase taxation on middle income families tbh . See page 7 of today's Sunday Mail. If you are saying that this is wrong , how else is he going to fund his policies ? No thanks...i wouldnt believe the Sunday mail if they told me it was Sunday today...read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33772024 That isn't much more than a wish list with hardly a hint of how it would be funded other than by printing money and the usual piffle (that comes from all sides) about cracking down on tax evasion/avoidance. Chuck in the usual soak the rich and cut defence spending that we always hear from the left and that is about it. Hes has said he will if you read the artical...and were printing money now lol No where near on the scale Corbyn intends to do it, and at least the tories have set out how they intend to pay for it in the long run. Corbyn on the other hand is in cloud cookoo land. " But how do you know its cuckoo land..that would be my question | |||
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"And this is what I dislike about the reverse argument too...how many times on these forums do you see anyone expressing anything other than a left wing _iew derided as a Daily Mail reader. It's a standard retort and equally patronising." I have never accused a right wing voter of being a Daily Mail reader. now the Sun, maybe...
I picked up my Mum's Times once and was shocked at the amount of left-hate in it. I felt like washing my hands afterwards. I have no illusions that the opposite isn't true. But that's why I don't read newspapers. I believe they contribute to the isolationism each party has, and perpetuate the myths that each believes about the other. | |||
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"As Jeremey is a labour leader and might win the next election, is it just me or does what he say sounds good? That made me think, "is socialism what Britain actually needs to make it more of a equal society?" Whats your thoughts?. I thought that it was Jeremie's intention to make society alot more unequal. He intends to ditch spending cuts and tax middle income families more in addition to re nationalising railways . If people work hard and earn a good salary , why should they pay additional taxes to subsidise the bone idle. Socialism would destoy our economy . Those who take risks and create lots of new jobs should not be penalised by having to pay additional taxation. Every single thing that you have in life has to be earned ..Why should the successfull be expected to subsidise the bone idle . We need a vibrant economy in order to support the welfare system.. I dont know where you have read hes going to increase taxation on middle income families tbh . See page 7 of today's Sunday Mail. If you are saying that this is wrong , how else is he going to fund his policies ? No thanks...i wouldnt believe the Sunday mail if they told me it was Sunday today...read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33772024 That isn't much more than a wish list with hardly a hint of how it would be funded other than by printing money and the usual piffle (that comes from all sides) about cracking down on tax evasion/avoidance. Chuck in the usual soak the rich and cut defence spending that we always hear from the left and that is about it. Hes has said he will if you read the artical...and were printing money now lol No where near on the scale Corbyn intends to do it, and at least the tories have set out how they intend to pay for it in the long run. Corbyn on the other hand is in cloud cookoo land. " You just firmly planted yourself on the economically illiterate list. Well done! | |||
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