FabSwingers.com forum: Sexual orientation question on job applications

By *evon Delight OP Couple
over a year ago

A town in Devon

Evening all.

My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.

One of the questions they ask on the forms, I'm sure you all know, is the equality and diversity question around your sexual orientation. We totally understand why but the debate we had was, should she tick the Heterosexual or Bisexual box?

She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.

After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.

So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

As with religion and ethnic origin, I tick the box info refused.

Not interested, not relevant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't have to fill in those diversity forms, they're not compulsory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't it illegal to force an answer? Or even ask?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This form should be a separate form which is removed from the rest of the application before any kind of shortlisting or selection takes place. The question is asked so organisations have data about the characteristics of their workforce. There should also be a "prefer not to say" option.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I put heterosexual so screwed their statistics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one ever reads them...

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I did put 'none of your business' on one form

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

I would pass the question by and not answer it ..good luck with the job

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This has just come up on our admin tool. And who knows about it. Loads of lads have put in different things for a laugh.

Pointless!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same as with the ethnic origin box, i would simply refuse to answer. My skin colour nor sexuality are relevant to my capability to carry out my job?!

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Depends what the job is for.

I'm fairly sure that it goes in your favour in some places. Ticking the 'we've covered all bases in equal opportunities' boxes looks good for an employer.

Cynical? Moi?

My sexuality has no relevance to the job I do. Nor does my religion. I hate the world we live in that allows people even to ask.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very very very good point raised there op! I tend to tick the hetro for the safer bet but what does that say about me? Or is it more that what society says.. hmm. .

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"I did put 'none of your business' on one form"
. However if you were a serious applicant , I cannot see that answer help those doing the initial screening select you for an interview .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Evening all.

My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.

She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.

After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.

So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?

I refuse to answer those kinds of questions on a form - you don't legally have to.

Legally they should *only* be used for equality and diversity recording, however I don't trust most companies to not use them to influence the application process.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I did put 'none of your business' on one form. However if you were a serious applicant , I cannot see that answer help those doing the initial screening select you for an interview . "
those doing the interviewing shouldn't see the sexual orientation form if its a genuine equal opportunities employer.

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

"Isn't it illegal to force an answer? Or even ask?"

I would agree with this, the question should never be asked in the first place!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My sexuality has no relevance to the job I do. Nor does my religion. I hate the world we live in that allows people even to ask.

I think it's good that places like universities and so forth ensure that they're attracting people from all backgrounds. They can be a useful way to keep a check that, for example, people of colour, or disabled people aren't being systematically excluded by some step in the process.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Evening all.

My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.

She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.

After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.

So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?

If you really want the job , I would concentrate on my CV and answer the question about sexual orientation truthfully .

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

Your CV does not have to state sex, marital status nor date of birth, how the hell do they get round sexual orientation? They don't! It should never be asked, quite simple really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

None of their business. Should be a 'prefer not to say' box. But that in itself makes it clear the person is unlikely to be heterosexual.

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By *evon Delight OP Couple
over a year ago

A town in Devon

"Very very very good point raised there op! I tend to tick the hetro for the safer bet but what does that say about me? Or is it more that what society says.. hmm.

Thanks. That is our point really. It shouldn't matter, they may not be read, they maybe pointless but they are included in the pack and most people probably fill it in. Yes we get that you don't have any legal obligation to fill it in. Hopefully it wont make any difference whatever is ticked but organisations do ask and some people do take it into account. Despite that being illegal!

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

It is illegal! The equality and diversity act says so, it just that some small companies do not have the resource to keep up with it all, so any questions like that should just be ignored, because they are not allowed to ask it, same as they are not allowed to ask if you have kids!

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"My sexuality has no relevance to the job I do. Nor does my religion. I hate the world we live in that allows people even to ask.

Yeah I guess that's true but I'm not sure how you do one without the other and manage not be discriminatory in the process.

I don't work in a university so that's why I said it depends on the job. I know a gay single Mum who was encouraged to join the Police cause she's a gay single Mum. That's all wrong to me, she should apply for the job because she's dedicated and right for it, not to fill a quota.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not illegal to ask! It would be illegal to discriminate on the basis of the answer given or that none had been given.

I'm sure it's easy for me to feel unconcerned since I'm white, Christian, young(ish), straight, cisgender and don't class myself as disabled, but I'm not offended by the question and generally always answer.

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By *evon Delight OP Couple
over a year ago

A town in Devon

"It is illegal! The equality and diversity act says so, it just that some small companies do not have the resource to keep up with it all, so any questions like that should just be ignored, because they are not allowed to ask it, same as they are not allowed to ask if you have kids!"

Sounds good in theory, this is for a job in the NHS! So if they are still asking these questions...!

Oh well, what will be will be

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

My religion is 'church of the fulcrum pendulum' because I swing both ways. Mayhap I'll put that on the next job diversity form.

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By *evon Delight OP Couple
over a year ago

A town in Devon

"My religion is 'church of the fulcrum pendulum' because I swing both ways. Mayhap I'll put that on the next job diversity form. "

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

"Evening all.

My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.

She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.

After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.

So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?

i really dont see why we allow companies this much info, it has no relevance on you as a person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has the law on this changed recently? I'm not thinking of small companies, my experience is with large public sector organisations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Evening all.

My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.

She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.

After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.

So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?

I have always ticked the prefer not to say. It's none of their business

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

Sounds good in theory, this is for a job in the NHS! So if they are still asking these questions...!

Oh well, what will be will be

I have no idea why it was asked, I can only assume their HR dept is behind the times.....(some big companies do not keep up with legislation) My company is over cautious...it keeps up with all the equality and diversity acts!

The company I work for is global but in some small pockets of the country they do not follow the head quarters policies which I think may be what has happened here but I only think.

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

Has the law on this changed recently? I'm not thinking of small companies, my experience is with large public sector organisations. "

I have no idea, I can only comment on what my annual legal team advise me on law equality, disability and equal opportunity acts lawers advise me on an annual basis dependant on recent law changes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has the law on this changed recently? I'm not thinking of small companies, my experience is with large public sector organisations.

I have no idea, I can only comment on what my annual legal team advise me on law equality, disability and equal opportunity acts lawers advise me on an annual basis dependant on recent law changes."

Ok, might do a bit of research tomorrow

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool

"This form should be a separate form which is removed from the rest of the application before any kind of shortlisting or selection takes place. The question is asked so organisations have data about the characteristics of their workforce. There should also be a "prefer not to say" option. "

Totally right^^^^^

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

Has the law on this changed recently? I'm not thinking of small companies, my experience is with large public sector organisations.

I have no idea, I can only comment on what my annual legal team advise me on law equality, disability and equal opportunity acts lawers advise me on an annual basis dependant on recent law changes.

Ok, might do a bit of research tomorrow

The biggest status quo in my company this year is the new paternity act! We do business in the US and they just can't get their head around it! It is a bloody minefield so I don't believe I am quoting wrong at all but I will stand and be slated in case I have picked it all up wrong but I don't believe I have because I was shocked at some or the 'defended' cases and acts!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has the law on this changed recently? I'm not thinking of small companies, my experience is with large public sector organisations.

I have no idea, I can only comment on what my annual legal team advise me on law equality, disability and equal opportunity acts lawers advise me on an annual basis dependant on recent law changes.

Ok, might do a bit of research tomorrow

I'm sure you haven't quoted wrong, I'm just interested now (having applied for quite a few things recently!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NHS online applications take about 3 days to fill in.

In my workplace we were asked to complete it online. I ticked prefer not to say on all questions.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Dare I say it, but if TTIP comes in, there could be a minefield for employment rights, with us all sinking to the lowest levels of protection possible.

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By *my-blackTV/TS
over a year ago

Poole

Yeah, the world is full of nosy people asking personal questions - I had a similar question when i registered on here - they wanted to know all about sexual orientation and all sorts.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My sexuality has no relevance to the job I do. Nor does my religion. I hate the world we live in that allows people even to ask.

Yeah I guess that's true but I'm not sure how you do one without the other and manage not be discriminatory in the process.

Or they give the job to someone unsuitable just because they tick a minority box for the company.

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool

E&D forms... as stated earlier.... should be detached from the application by HR.

Those shortlisting and interviewing should have no access to them and they should be completely anonymous.

Questions should only include information that is used centrally to ensure the recruitment attracts a diverse selection of applications.

Parental status or health questions are not E&D questions, and should not be included ( except if the post applied for demands a certain health level such as the ability to lift etc)

I work for a small organisation but have worked in national business and all recruitment rules are basically the same.

The question is....... how many employers folliw them?

If i were a small employer looking to recruit a tight workforce i may be tempted to peek

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman
over a year ago

B & M Bargains

"Depends what the job is for.

I'm fairly sure that it goes in your favour in some places. Ticking the 'we've covered all bases in equal opportunities' boxes looks good for an employer.

Cynical? Moi?

O-) "

this is why I now put bisexual!

And I have been asked by big company's, I also had to send one via an agency on the same email as my application form so I'm sure he read it, but I'm not bothered with people knowing

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

We have this on every online HR function....sexual orientation, religion, shoe size etc

I always put 'Jedi' in the 'other' box for religion and for sexual orientation, I also fill in the 'other' box with the word 'yes'

It is all crap and as far as I am concerned and it is there to provide some unemployable person with an HR job.

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

on one form in the box marked sex i just wrote "yes please"

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool

"My sexuality has no relevance to the job I do. Nor does my religion. I hate the world we live in that allows people even to ask.

Yeah I guess that's true but I'm not sure how you do one without the other and manage not be discriminatory in the process.

Or they give the job to someone unsuitable just because they tick a minority box for the company. "

positive discrimination....

its a way to ensure all sectors are equally able to apply, that doesnt mean they will get the job, it means they can apply.

so... the police have been told they are lacking single mums in their force. They then target single mums, their HR can now show that in the last recruitment drive they had 20% single mum applicants. But.., the person who got the job was a male. Done fairly? Who knows but thats the way organisations can prove they are being fair in advertising and the recruitment process.

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool

"We have this on every online HR function....sexual orientation, religion, shoe size etc

I always put 'Jedi' in the 'other' box for religion and for sexual orientation, I also fill in the 'other' box with the word 'yes'

It is all crap and as far as I am concerned and it is there to provide some unemployable person with an HR job."

i feel your pain, and it is boring to complete. But its there so that ( amongst other things) employers can prove that they are not just employing young fit males when actually middle aged unfit females can do the job just as well

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By *heOwlMan
over a year ago

Altrincham

Whilst I understand why question like this exist, or more accuratly why employers collect this data, there must be a better way to do so without it it being collected along with the application form. Afterall whilst it is part of the form it has the potential to influence the decision to interview applicant.

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By *eetmyfootTV/TS
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire

You can either put "no answer" or "other" but you can't lie. If you are not purely heterosexual and discovered, you'll have the legal consequences of signing the document which says "I confirm that any information that I provided is true".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don’t read into it too much. It’s literally just for monitoring who is applying.

By ticking bisexual you have done them a favor as their advert is then confirmed to be non discriminatory.

In all the applications I read not once have I been given that information. Honestly, I couldn’t care less if you was purple, believed jelly babies invented the world and shagged yucca plants. If you can do the job and you are the best applicant then I’ll employ you.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Whilst I understand why question like this exist, or more accuratly why employers collect this data, there must be a better way to do so without it it being collected along with the application form. Afterall whilst it is part of the form it has the potential to influence the decision to interview applicant."

No, it shouldn't.

A reputable employer will not allow the interviewer access to it.

What these stats enable HR people to do is look for systematic discrimination in the appointments process.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the past I’ve normally ticked the “none of your fuxking business” option

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they want to know OUR orientation ,why don't they just ask Sydney University

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You can either put "no answer" or "other" but you can't lie. If you are not purely heterosexual and discovered, you'll have the legal consequences of signing the document which says "I confirm that any information that I provided is true"."

How can they prove it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dare I say it, but if TTIP comes in, there could be a minefield for employment rights, with us all sinking to the lowest levels of protection possible."

What is TTIP?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dare I say it, but if TTIP comes in, there could be a minefield for employment rights, with us all sinking to the lowest levels of protection possible.

What is TTIP?"
trade agreement between America and European Union. Donald Trumpety trump trump put a stop to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the past I’ve normally ticked the “none of your fuxking business” option "

Did you get the job?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hi, thought I would post, she was right to tick bisexual as that is what her sexuality is. Due to the equalitys act, employers have to accept everyone, no matter what their race, gender, etc is. In a way its a form of positive discrimination, I have experienced this as a male in children's nursing, I never got refused an interview and a job, as being bisexual. I do hope she gets the job, if not, there will be lots of opportunities

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"My religion is 'church of the fulcrum pendulum' because I swing both ways. Mayhap I'll put that on the next job diversity form. "
I’d forgotten I said this. I quite like it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My boss is really homophobic. When I started working for her I had a long term gf and she knew I was bi as she knows my family. Her husband works for my dad. She's openly admitted to me if she didn't know my family and if her husband didn't work for my dad then she wouldn't of employed me due to my sexuality x

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By *eetmyfootTV/TS
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire

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By *BWandhusbandCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

"My boss is really homophobic. When I started working for her I had a long term gf and she knew I was bi as she knows my family. Her husband works for my dad. She's openly admitted to me if she didn't know my family and if her husband didn't work for my dad then she wouldn't of employed me due to my sexuality x "

It's so sad that this kind of attitude is still around. Sadly they'll often be passing this on to their kids too.

My kids attended Nottingham Pride today and loved it.

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By *eetmyfootTV/TS
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire

How can they prove it?

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In some academic research they can spot brain differences and other biological markers between people who feel any kind of same-sex attraction and those who are exclusively heterosexual. There are different technological tools developed in the last decade which is fairly easy to find out one's actual sexual orientation.

However this technology has never been used in any western country in order to find one's sexual orientation (except in some cases in Austria and Hungary).

This doesn't mean that it is not going to happen in the near future as some Gulf countries intend to monitor the sexual orientation of their visitors through this technology (in order not to allow non-exclusively-heterosexual people to enter their countries).

Another way they can find out is through chatting and speculation, especially if someone who knows, speaks.

I believe that if someone lies in these applications about their sexual orientation, the threat is not from homophobic people but from LGBT activists and their advocates who want everyone to declare their sexual orientation publicly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Evening all.

My wife filled out an application form for a new job yesterday and this created a little debate.

She really wants the job and initially felt that ticking Heterosexual would be safer, albeit she, by definition is Bisexual.

After talking it through she finally ticked Bisexual and submitted the form.

So (deep breath), the question is, have you found yourself in that position and if so what did you do?

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well in a job climate such as it is is bisexual really a major admission so why lose an opportunity for a job interview admitting to a sexual orientation that has no bearing on this job opportunity?

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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

I always tick the bisexual box as I'm bisexual. I thought that questionnaire was annonmymous anyway

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By *ightkitty4uWoman
over a year ago

Epsom

Depends on my mood what I tick... heterosexual, bi etc...

I like to Contaminate there data!

Also put Jedi Knight or pagen as religion

Maybe this is why I get interviews yet no job offers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Asking stuff like that and holding the information unecessarily feels bad in the land of GDPR.

To use to assess applications very, very naughty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can they prove it?

However this technology has never been used in any western country in order to find one's sexual orientation (except in some cases in Austria and Hungary).

Another way they can find out is through chatting and speculation, especially if someone who knows, speaks.

Well they don't scare me. I won't be telling the truth on their job applications.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I say jedi

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By *eetmyfootTV/TS
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire

"Asking stuff like that and holding the information unecessarily feels bad in the land of GDPR.

To use to assess applications very, very naughty. "

GDPR is not valid for the purposes of "public interest" as it is clearly written on their legislation. Sexual orientation declaration for purposes of social justice is legitimate.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Time to find a different boss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Disagree. The point of GDPR is to ensure information private to you is kept private.

Legislation on employment means your place of education, age and sexuality must not be taken into account in recruitment.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Disagree. The point of GDPR is to ensure information private to you is kept private.

Legislation on employment means your place of education, age and sexuality must not be taken into account in recruitment. "

There should be a GDPR/Data Protection statement somewhere.

My recruitment is through an on-line portal. The statement is on the advert page and the application pages. A click takes you through to the retention policy and the system is set up to delete everyone but the successful applicant after six months. All applicants get a message 10 days before they are deleted so that they can choose to remain on the system for consideration for other jobs. Nothing gets printed out.

Even with e-mail or paper forms you should be clear what the retention policy is.

Equality monitoring should never been seen by the recruitment panel but with smaller organisations that is harder to achieve and police It is not legal to make completion of that information compulsory and, despite what was stated above, no one should have a truth declaration on their equality form as it does not form part of the job application. The application must be truthful. The monitoring data is for information. The more information collected the organisation, your sector and society is able to see whether there is discrimination and progress.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Answer: Mad for it.

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By *ky19Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

At my work, people go through the folders with original staff application forms from when they applied and gossip about who's gay, bisexual etc.

I'm sure this has to be illegal? Or should be? I don't care so much these days but in the past I would have been mortified.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At my work, people go through the folders with original staff application forms from when they applied and gossip about who's gay, bisexual etc.

I'm sure this has to be illegal? Or should be? I don't care so much these days but in the past I would have been mortified."

Oh it is totally illegal. Its a breach of data protection for a start.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"At my work, people go through the folders with original staff application forms from when they applied and gossip about who's gay, bisexual etc.

I'm sure this has to be illegal? Or should be? I don't care so much these days but in the past I would have been mortified.

Oh it is totally illegal. Its a breach of data protection for a start. "

Perfect for a report to the ICO. The company might take data protection and confidentiality a little more seriously if faced with a fine.

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