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"Looks like media scaremongering to me." (Also that news story is from May.) | |||
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"I think is is concerning but I bet there are equal numbers already living in the UK who would do terrible things. " This is the bigger problem - 'home grown' jihaddis, rather than imported ones. | |||
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"Doesn't bother me either. If anyone flattened this town and it's residents the UK would be better off. WWII is what caused a lot of great changes in this country socially and aesthetically." what an awful thing to say! | |||
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"Looks like media scaremongering to me. (Also that news story is from May.)" So plenty of time to properly organise & perfect their infiltration methods then? | |||
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"Looks like media scaremongering to me. (Also that news story is from May.)" using old speculative news stories to stir up the masses....surley the media would not do such a thing?   | |||
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"Terrorism is a serious issue, but the amount of deaths are insignificant compared to other deaths in society that could also be prevented. " As many UK citizens died in the last decade from bee stings as at the hands of terrorists. Not saying it wasn't deeply shocking for those families/friends concerned but more people die on the roads or from smoking by a MASSIVE margin. It's a question of perspective. | |||
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"Terrorism is a serious issue, but the amount of deaths are insignificant compared to other deaths in society that could also be prevented. As many UK citizens died in the last decade from bee stings as at the hands of terrorists. Not saying it wasn't deeply shocking for those families/friends concerned but more people die on the roads or from smoking by a MASSIVE margin. It's a question of perspective. " However, I do think that self-styled Islamic State should be strangled. It's obscene, the things they do. | |||
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"Terrorism is a serious issue, but the amount of deaths are insignificant compared to other deaths in society that could also be prevented. As many UK citizens died in the last decade from bee stings as at the hands of terrorists. Not saying it wasn't deeply shocking for those families/friends concerned but more people die on the roads or from smoking by a MASSIVE margin. It's a question of perspective. " More bees mean more stings. | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! And before the vicious messages of hate and racism flow dont even bother because im not. My fellow countrymen women and children mean more to me than these people. There own country wont help them why should we step in and bring them here to hurt and kill our own " Ask any ordinary Iraqi, Syrian or Libyan who IS are and they will tell you that they are "foreign fighters." The IS threat is already here with home grown disaffected Muslim youths who are looking for something to believe in. Importing fighters through refugee's is unlikely as they would stand out like a sore thumb to the Police and anti terror units. | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! And before the vicious messages of hate and racism flow dont even bother because im not. My fellow countrymen women and children mean more to me than these people. There own country wont help them why should we step in and bring them here to hurt and kill our own " When were you last terrorised by an immigrant? | |||
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"Doesn't bother me either. If anyone flattened this town and it's residents the UK would be better off. WWII is what caused a lot of great changes in this country socially and aesthetically. what an awful thing to say!" Maybe look into history. We, as a society, advanced really well socially after WWII. Towns being flattened helped this to happen. Also nobody likes their home town do they coz they see all the flaws in it, i can take the piss out of it if i want to. | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! And before the vicious messages of hate and racism flow dont even bother because im not. My fellow countrymen women and children mean more to me than these people. There own country wont help them why should we step in and bring them here to hurt and kill our own " Utter bollocks. We spend billions bombing the shit out of these poor people, killing their children, rubbling their homes, destroying their infrastructure and erasing their economies - all for the sake of western fuel gluttony.... NOT to help them. Surely we can afford a little extra to help them when they come knocking on our door. I've spent many years over there and I can tell you for a fact that they are far more generous to strangers than we are. | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! And before the vicious messages of hate and racism flow dont even bother because im not. My fellow countrymen women and children mean more to me than these people. There own country wont help them why should we step in and bring them here to hurt and kill our own " Why do you care more about me than immigrants? I don't have a sense of nationalism so don't really care about the people of my country unless they're treated unfairly and i can help with that. And even then i can also give a shit about foreigners who are treated badly, probably ETs too. | |||
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"But how much is being spent,wasted,in combatting terrorist threat and radicalisation,get rid of them ,then we seem to be caught up in media hype to let these so called refugees in,woman on news was talking about families,picture was showing nothing but men in their 20/30s,no doubt plenty who will be all too ready to take from this country then turn around n decry its values and try to undermine it,dont know who i have greater contempt for,them or all the mugs who are too ready to welcome people regardless" One thing that Western people will never begin to understand is the family bond that exists outside of the UK. Many of these young men will have extended families sitting in the refugee camps and they will be responsible for finding a new home for the family. Actually this sort of thing has been going on since man first inhabited the earth. When the crops failed, or the hunting became difficult. The young and healthy would be tasked to go forth and find new land. | |||
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"Doesn't bother me either. If anyone flattened this town and it's residents the UK would be better off. WWII is what caused a lot of great changes in this country socially and aesthetically. what an awful thing to say! Maybe look into history. We, as a society, advanced really well socially after WWII. Towns being flattened helped this to happen. Also nobody likes their home town do they coz they see all the flaws in it, i can take the piss out of it if i want to." taking the piss is one thing but wanting the residents to be flattened is another. i must be the exception to your rule because i like my hometown  | |||
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"Doesn't bother me either. If anyone flattened this town and it's residents the UK would be better off. WWII is what caused a lot of great changes in this country socially and aesthetically. what an awful thing to say! Maybe look into history. We, as a society, advanced really well socially after WWII. Towns being flattened helped this to happen. Also nobody likes their home town do they coz they see all the flaws in it, i can take the piss out of it if i want to. taking the piss is one thing but wanting the residents to be flattened is another. i must be the exception to your rule because i like my hometown "I live here, i get flattened as well. 
I get you have a problem with me, don't really care and i'm not gonna change just coz you don't get me. I like me. | |||
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" And before the vicious messages of hate and racism flow dont even bother because im not." Well actually, you are being rather bigoted there. | |||
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"Doesn't bother me either. If anyone flattened this town and it's residents the UK would be better off. WWII is what caused a lot of great changes in this country socially and aesthetically. what an awful thing to say! Maybe look into history. We, as a society, advanced really well socially after WWII. Towns being flattened helped this to happen. Also nobody likes their home town do they coz they see all the flaws in it, i can take the piss out of it if i want to. taking the piss is one thing but wanting the residents to be flattened is another. i must be the exception to your rule because i like my hometown
I live here, i get flattened as well.
I get you have a problem with me, don't really care and i'm not gonna change just coz you don't get me. I like me."never said i didnt like you, just i didnt like your comment, so change or dont change, makes no difference to me  | |||
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"Looks like media scaremongering to me." This.....
It's simply media diatribe intent on stirring up unnecessary hostility towards victims of terror ......
If Isis really want to infiltrate the UK with their brand of terror they will succeed on a sporadic basis regardless of any additional security measures implemented as a consequence of accepting refugees....  | |||
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"This doesn't worry us because we live in the countryside where there's nothing worth bombing and nobody worth beheading, but are city dwellers concerned about this? Do you think Cameron will make sure appropriate checks are carried out? Obviously genuine refugees need as much help as can be given, but are you confident that our security forces are able to protect British residents if this is the case? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/isis-fighters-hiding-on-migrant-boats-coming-to-europe-report-says-10255887.html" I think it is a very real threat and we need to be very careful. Just hope the authorities are doing the proper checks on the refugees and asylum seekers we are going to take in. These terrorists are not stupid they will do their best to blend in, stay under the radar until the time comes to active a sleeper cell then they could cause chaos. | |||
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If Isis really want to infiltrate the UK with their brand of terror they will succeed on a sporadic basis regardless of any additional security measures implemented as a consequence of accepting refugees.... "The Independent isn't really known for it's far right _iews, but similar articles are available on other news pages. IS have shown themselves to be capable of some appalling atrocities - pretending to be refugees and being able to enter other countries with no passports or identification to commit acts of terror probably wouldn't bother them in the slightest. Do you not believe that the possibility exists? | |||
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"Looks like media scaremongering to me. This.....
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If Isis really want to infiltrate the UK with their brand of terror they will succeed on a sporadic basis regardless of any additional security measures implemented as a consequence of accepting refugees....
The Independent isn't really known for it's far right _iews, but similar articles are available on other news pages. IS have shown themselves to be capable of some appalling atrocities - pretending to be refugees and being able to enter other countries with no passports or identification to commit acts of terror probably wouldn't bother them in the slightest. Do you not believe that the possibility exists?"I don't underestimate the intent or capabilities of Isis,,,, however I choose to think for myself rather than allow media hype to influence my opinions | |||
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If Isis really want to infiltrate the UK with their brand of terror they will succeed on a sporadic basis regardless of any additional security measures implemented as a consequence of accepting refugees....
The Independent isn't really known for it's far right _iews, but similar articles are available on other news pages. IS have shown themselves to be capable of some appalling atrocities - pretending to be refugees and being able to enter other countries with no passports or identification to commit acts of terror probably wouldn't bother them in the slightest. Do you not believe that the possibility exists?
I don't underestimate the intent or capabilities of Isis,,,, however I choose to think for myself rather than allow media hype to influence my opinions "How can have an informed opinion if you don't believe anything in the media? As pointed out above, this article is from before the main refugee crisis came into general public awareness - or do you not believe there is a genuine refugee crisis either? | |||
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"Wouldn't they do better to come here on a fake passport and disappear once they get here? If they come as refugees they will be in the system and fingerprinted. " What would fingerprinting do to prevent an attack? It's easier to wear gloves when carrying out an attack than getting a fake passport. | |||
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"Looks like media scaremongering to me. This.....
It's simply media diatribe intent on stirring up unnecessary hostility towards victims of terror ......
If Isis really want to infiltrate the UK with their brand of terror they will succeed on a sporadic basis regardless of any additional security measures implemented as a consequence of accepting refugees....
The Independent isn't really known for it's far right _iews, but similar articles are available on other news pages. IS have shown themselves to be capable of some appalling atrocities - pretending to be refugees and being able to enter other countries with no passports or identification to commit acts of terror probably wouldn't bother them in the slightest. Do you not believe that the possibility exists?
I don't underestimate the intent or capabilities of Isis,,,, however I choose to think for myself rather than allow media hype to influence my opinions
How can have an informed opinion if you don't believe anything in the media? As pointed out above, this article is from before the main refugee crisis came into general public awareness - or do you not believe there is a genuine refugee crisis either?"Who said I don't believe anything in the media.....? and speaking as someone who actively volunteers on overseas aid programmes I feel well qualified to understand the plight of these poor people forced to flee their homelands.... | |||
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"Wouldn't they do better to come here on a fake passport and disappear once they get here? If they come as refugees they will be in the system and fingerprinted. What would fingerprinting do to prevent an attack? It's easier to wear gloves when carrying out an attack than getting a fake passport." If a suicide bomber decides to blows themselves up I doubt they will be worried about the consequences of being fingerprinted either.  | |||
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"Wouldn't they do better to come here on a fake passport and disappear once they get here? If they come as refugees they will be in the system and fingerprinted. What would fingerprinting do to prevent an attack? It's easier to wear gloves when carrying out an attack than getting a fake passport. If a suicide bomber decides to blows themselves up I doubt they will be worried about the consequences of being fingerprinted either. "This,,,,, | |||
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"Wouldn't they do better to come here on a fake passport and disappear once they get here? If they come as refugees they will be in the system and fingerprinted. What would fingerprinting do to prevent an attack? It's easier to wear gloves when carrying out an attack than getting a fake passport. If a suicide bomber decides to blows themselves up I doubt they will be worried about the consequences of being fingerprinted either. "Smiley was not meant to appear in that comment pressed by accident. | |||
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"73% of the people caught /detained in dover are not imigrants they are economic imergrants....the government do not want these figures published.....this comes from the home office ....the government hide the facts" Can you provide proof,,,,,,,,? | |||
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"Wouldn't they do better to come here on a fake passport and disappear once they get here? If they come as refugees they will be in the system and fingerprinted. What would fingerprinting do to prevent an attack? It's easier to wear gloves when carrying out an attack than getting a fake passport." They can be tracked if fingerprinted as a refugee. If they move across the country and get picked up for anything they will be in the system. | |||
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"Wouldn't they do better to come here on a fake passport and disappear once they get here? If they come as refugees they will be in the system and fingerprinted. What would fingerprinting do to prevent an attack? It's easier to wear gloves when carrying out an attack than getting a fake passport. If a suicide bomber decides to blows themselves up I doubt they will be worried about the consequences of being fingerprinted either.
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"I do wonder if some of the people who posted on here realise it is public and people can see what inconsiderate selfish twats they are. The people are in such fear they are prepared to take massive risks to better their life. There is no such things as borders when people need help." so if there's no such thing as borders,because anyone feels they will be better off in Britain so be able to come here,boy all you bleeding hearts are going to have a shock,when this country,and your comfortable life are changed forever and for worse! Dont see why you think people should be ashamed to post their _iews on here,just because they don't tie in with yours or the media hype regarding illegal immigrants,or refugees,as if! | |||
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"73% of the people caught /detained in dover are not imigrants they are economic imergrants....the government do not want these figures published.....this comes from the home office ....the government hide the facts Can you provide proof,,,,,,,,?" I suspect not | |||
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"This doesn't worry us because we live in the countryside where there's nothing worth bombing and nobody worth beheading, but are city dwellers concerned about this? Do you think Cameron will make sure appropriate checks are carried out? Obviously genuine refugees need as much help as can be given, but are you confident that our security forces are able to protect British residents if this is the case? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/isis-fighters-hiding-on-migrant-boats-coming-to-europe-report-says-10255887.html" Unfortunatley i agree. Was only having this converation five minutes ago with hubby. Its a terrible world when its come to this. I truly feel sorry for those who need our help and there for the grace of hod go i, theres plenty of room in this world to help the once who need it, and so we should. The cruel twisted minds of these isis will take advantage of the sittuation and time will tell. As someone pionted out that there are many already here, it will just make there army stronger Xx | |||
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"73% of the people caught /detained in dover are not imigrants they are economic imergrants....the government do not want these figures published.....this comes from the home office ....the government hide the facts Can you provide proof,,,,,,,,? I suspect not" I'm sure there was a thread the other day explaining far better than I could regarding the people at Dover. Something to do with refugee status only being granted and applicable at the first safe country they entered, but I may be wrong - you'd have to look for yourself.  | |||
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"While theoretically it could happen, turning on all refugees because hypothetically they may be fake and an IS terrorist is totally disproprtionate reaction and deisregards that there are far easier ways for IS to infiltrate the UK" What are the easier ways? | |||
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"While theoretically it could happen, turning on all refugees because hypothetically they may be fake and an IS terrorist is totally disproprtionate reaction and deisregards that there are far easier ways for IS to infiltrate the UK What are the easier ways?" Extremists that are already in this country. Or extremists with a valid passport entering the country perfectly legally Both seem a lot more likely than an IS terrorist posing as a refugee, | |||
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"While theoretically it could happen, turning on all refugees because hypothetically they may be fake and an IS terrorist is totally disproprtionate reaction and deisregards that there are far easier ways for IS to infiltrate the UK What are the easier ways? Extremists that are already in this country. Or extremists with a valid passport entering the country perfectly legally Both seem a lot more likely than an IS terrorist posing as a refugee," On what do you base those assertions? | |||
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"While theoretically it could happen, turning on all refugees because hypothetically they may be fake and an IS terrorist is totally disproprtionate reaction and deisregards that there are far easier ways for IS to infiltrate the UK What are the easier ways? Extremists that are already in this country. Or extremists with a valid passport entering the country perfectly legally Both seem a lot more likely than an IS terrorist posing as a refugee, On what do you base those assertions? " IS are made up as a fighting force of foreigners who are committed to their cause. There is little to no point of of other foreign fighters coming to the UK when the UK already has plenty of UK born extremists who can exist completely under the radar. Anyone coming in will be processed and as such any suspicious behaviour much more likely to be clocked. Remember too, that the vast majority of these refugees will be Palestinian, Coptics, Shia or other minority religion and they would not take kindly to a Sunni in their midst. | |||
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"73% of the people caught /detained in dover are not imigrants they are economic imergrants....the government do not want these figures published.....this comes from the home office ....the government hide the facts" I bet that More than 73% of those at Dover can actually spell immigrant. I also bet that there is more than a 73% chance that statistics thrown about by those who have an irrational fear of foreigners have less than 10% of truthful content. 
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"While theoretically it could happen, turning on all refugees because hypothetically they may be fake and an IS terrorist is totally disproprtionate reaction and deisregards that there are far easier ways for IS to infiltrate the UK What are the easier ways? Extremists that are already in this country. Or extremists with a valid passport entering the country perfectly legally Both seem a lot more likely than an IS terrorist posing as a refugee, On what do you base those assertions? IS are made up as a fighting force of foreigners who are committed to their cause. There is little to no point of of other foreign fighters coming to the UK when the UK already has plenty of UK born extremists who can exist completely under the radar. Anyone coming in will be processed and as such any suspicious behaviour much more likely to be clocked. Remember too, that the vast majority of these refugees will be Palestinian, Coptics, Shia or other minority religion and they would not take kindly to a Sunni in their midst." I'm sure you're right - a sunni muslim in amongst shia muslims would be as easy to spot as a methodist on a boat full of 7th Day Adventists. | |||
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"73% of the people caught /detained in dover are not imigrants they are economic imergrants....the government do not want these figures published.....this comes from the home office ....the government hide the facts I bet that More than 73% of those at Dover can actually spell immigrant. I also bet that there is more than a 73% chance that statistics thrown about by those who have an irrational fear of foreigners have less than 10% of truthful content.
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"73% of the people caught /detained in dover are not imigrants they are economic imergrants....the government do not want these figures published.....this comes from the home office ....the government hide the facts I bet that More than 73% of those at Dover can actually spell immigrant. I also bet that there is more than a 73% chance that statistics thrown about by those who have an irrational fear of foreigners have less than 10% of truthful content.
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"What about British men who pretend they have a puppy, then sexually abuse a child, and the ones who pretend they have lost their dog and rape the woman who helps them look for it. Where is the front page news for that,? I could go on, but I think I've made my point." Huh? I'm not sure what your point is here. Paedos with puppies and rapists with lost dogs seems a bit random, even for Fab threads  | |||
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"What about British men who pretend they have a puppy, then sexually abuse a child, and the ones who pretend they have lost their dog and rape the woman who helps them look for it. Where is the front page news for that,? I could go on, but I think I've made my point." I'm not sure what your point is, are you suggesting that paedohiles and rapists don't get reported in the media? | |||
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"What about British men who pretend they have a puppy, then sexually abuse a child, and the ones who pretend they have lost their dog and rape the woman who helps them look for it. Where is the front page news for that,? I could go on, but I think I've made my point. I'm not sure what your point is, are you suggesting that paedohiles and rapists don't get reported in the media?" I'm point to the fact that not only ISIS pose as things they are not to get the result they desire, the media are doing a great job of reporting this, but we also have bad people in this country who do the same thing, but the focus is on immigrants. | |||
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"What about British men who pretend they have a puppy, then sexually abuse a child, and the ones who pretend they have lost their dog and rape the woman who helps them look for it. Where is the front page news for that,? I could go on, but I think I've made my point. I'm not sure what your point is, are you suggesting that paedohiles and rapists don't get reported in the media? I'm point to the fact that not only ISIS pose as things they are not to get the result they desire, the media are doing a great job of reporting this, but we also have bad people in this country who do the same thing, but the focus is on immigrants." Pardon | |||
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"What about British men who pretend they have a puppy, then sexually abuse a child, and the ones who pretend they have lost their dog and rape the woman who helps them look for it. Where is the front page news for that,? I could go on, but I think I've made my point. I'm not sure what your point is, are you suggesting that paedohiles and rapists don't get reported in the media? I'm point to the fact that not only ISIS pose as things they are not to get the result they desire, the media are doing a great job of reporting this, but we also have bad people in this country who do the same thing, but the focus is on immigrants. Pardon" There are people doing bad things everywhere, but a major focus on immigration at the moment and the fact that some of them may not have good intentions, just trying to broaden things out a bit. | |||
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"What about British men who pretend they have a puppy, then sexually abuse a child, and the ones who pretend they have lost their dog and rape the woman who helps them look for it. Where is the front page news for that,? I could go on, but I think I've made my point. I'm not sure what your point is, are you suggesting that paedohiles and rapists don't get reported in the media? I'm point to the fact that not only ISIS pose as things they are not to get the result they desire, the media are doing a great job of reporting this, but we also have bad people in this country who do the same thing, but the focus is on immigrants." Perhaps you should spread your news net a little wider than the Daily Mail. | |||
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"What about British men who pretend they have a puppy, then sexually abuse a child, and the ones who pretend they have lost their dog and rape the woman who helps them look for it. Where is the front page news for that,? I could go on, but I think I've made my point. I'm not sure what your point is, are you suggesting that paedohiles and rapists don't get reported in the media? I'm point to the fact that not only ISIS pose as things they are not to get the result they desire, the media are doing a great job of reporting this, but we also have bad people in this country who do the same thing, but the focus is on immigrants. Perhaps you should spread your news net a little wider than the Daily Mail." Believe me, I do, sad thing is, many don't, and it's not just the mail. | |||
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"What about British men who pretend they have a puppy, then sexually abuse a child, and the ones who pretend they have lost their dog and rape the woman who helps them look for it. Where is the front page news for that,? I could go on, but I think I've made my point. I'm not sure what your point is, are you suggesting that paedohiles and rapists don't get reported in the media? I'm point to the fact that not only ISIS pose as things they are not to get the result they desire, the media are doing a great job of reporting this, but we also have bad people in this country who do the same thing, but the focus is on immigrants. Perhaps you should spread your news net a little wider than the Daily Mail. Believe me, I do, sad thing is, many don't, and it's not just the mail." Your local library should have copies of all, if not most, of the latest broadsheets and tabloids for a better and more balanced _iew. Libraries should be used more, or they'll disappear. | |||
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"What about the hundreds who died on boats heading to Greece.. Lost souls. Now there are welcome parties with balloons. Like refugee x factor. " Whilst I am 100% in support of co-ordinated international action to support the war torn displaced, I am really not sure that pictures of German Nationals cheering newly arriving refugees is going to make things any better. Those images will simply encourage more people to break out of the Turkish refugee camps and head for Germany. What is needed is a stabilisation of the refugee camps in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt and then an organised placement of refugees from there. In my opinion, encouraging more people to make unsafe sea crossings and make their way on foot through Europe will be a disaster in the making, nothing of the like we have seen so far. | |||
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"Has anyone considered how the numbers will rise when these Pathfinders bring all their extended families over as well." Of course the numbers will rise exponentially. These men are taking on a huge extended family responsibility and that family could be four generations. | |||
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"But how much is being spent,wasted,in combatting terrorist threat and radicalisation,get rid of them ,then we seem to be caught up in media hype to let these so called refugees in,woman on news was talking about families,picture was showing nothing but men in their 20/30s,no doubt plenty who will be all too ready to take from this country then turn around n decry its values and try to undermine it,dont know who i have greater contempt for,them or all the mugs who are too ready to welcome people regardless One thing that Western people will never begin to understand is the family bond that exists outside of the UK. Many of these young men will have extended families sitting in the refugee camps and they will be responsible for finding a new home for the family. Actually this sort of thing has been going on since man first inhabited the earth. When the crops failed, or the hunting became difficult. The young and healthy would be tasked to go forth and find new land." Yes. I think they used to call it "Invasion" | |||
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"What about the hundreds who died on boats heading to Greece.. Lost souls. Now there are welcome parties with balloons. Like refugee x factor. Whilst I am 100% in support of co-ordinated international action to support the war torn displaced, I am really not sure that pictures of German Nationals cheering newly arriving refugees is going to make things any better. Those images will simply encourage more people to break out of the Turkish refugee camps and head for Germany. What is needed is a stabilisation of the refugee camps in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt and then an organised placement of refugees from there. In my opinion, encouraging more people to make unsafe sea crossings and make their way on foot through Europe will be a disaster in the making, nothing of the like we have seen so far." To be fair that is pretty much what the British government is (rightly) trying to do. By making it very clear that Britain won't take any of the boat people, fence wreckers, call them what you will, but only genuine refugees from the camps in the region. That should out most (if not all) of the economic migrants who are jumping on the backs of the genuine refugees. It also gives the UK authorities a chance to vet the applicants and stop any suspected ISIS sympathisers from slipping through. (if they do their job properly of course) The real problem is that it is almost certain that some (how many? who knows?) ISIS supporters are slipping through into Greece and/or Italy. Some will claim asylum in other EU country's and go to sleep until needed. Others will stay well below the radar and slip into Britain on the back of a truck and disappear into the black economy until they are needed (or ready) to attack. As others have said there are many home grown nutters who think blowing up trains, chopping heads off, and crucifying people is "cool" but thankfully most of the dangerous ones who have been training in the middle east are on the authorities radar and Britain hasn't had a serious incident since Lee Rigby. However, this tide of migration could be a real game changer where well trained nutters could slip into the UK unnoticed and cause havoc. We have already seen what so called "lone wolves" can do in France. Charlie Hebdo was only a few months ago and the gunman on the train the other week was a trained in Syria Moroccan who slipped into Europe via Spain and Melilla. It was only sheer luck and the right passengers being in the right place at the right time that avoided carnage. When and where the next attack will come is anybody's guess but come it will and it will be very interesting to see where the perpetrators have come from. | |||
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"why can white people not have black friends " It's more that it's often used as a statement like: "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" when actually the person is racist. | |||
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"why can white people not have black friends It's more that it's often used as a statement like: "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" when actually the person is racist." Spot-on.... | |||
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" I hope I haven't somehow offended anybody....seems increasingly difficult not to these days." Difficult? More like bloody impossible. | |||
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"why can white people not have black friends It's more that it's often used as a statement like: "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" when actually the person is racist." Or turn it around and say. "I can't be racist because I'm black" | |||
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"why can white people not have black friends It's more that it's often used as a statement like: "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" when actually the person is racist. Or turn it around and say. "I can't be racist because I'm black"" Yes but surely even the most balanced person on the planet would afford a wee smirk when they read an announcement basically proclaiming no-one even notices our black friend is black..... pffft,,,,,, | |||
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"why can white people not have black friends It's more that it's often used as a statement like: "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" when actually the person is racist. Or turn it around and say. "I can't be racist because I'm black" Yes but surely even the most balanced person on the planet would afford a wee smirk when they read an announcement basically proclaiming no-one even notices our black friend is black..... pffft,,,,,, "OK fair point but I had to put it the other way around. | |||
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"Why is there so many people in these forum rooms waiting to jump on people and be so PC talk like do Gooders get a life and let them that want to chat chat "Political correctness gone mad" is the phrase uttered when a person finds an idea uncomfortable that is being taken seriously by lots of other people." But political correctness has gone mad. There are a lot of people who quite enjoy taking offence at almost anything. Try watching "The Human Stain" | |||
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"Why is there so many people in these forum rooms waiting to jump on people and be so PC talk like do Gooders get a life and let them that want to chat chat "Political correctness gone mad" is the phrase uttered when a person finds an idea uncomfortable that is being taken seriously by lots of other people. But political correctness has gone mad. There are a lot of people who quite enjoy taking offence at almost anything. Try watching "The Human Stain"" So people are taking ideas seriously that you personally find ridiculous? Have you tried considering why people take those ideas seriously instead of dismissing them because they don't fit with your personal world _iew? | |||
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"Thinking from another angle. In these days of "blame culture" ambulance chasing lawyers, health and safety Etc. Where you only have to trip on a discarded fag end to qualify for a small lottery win in compensation, what would happen if a good brief could prove that the government was negligent by allowing an ISIS supporter into the country who then subsequently committed an attack? Anyone who runs a business or works at the sharp end in any public service knows only too well about risk assessments and the potential liabilities of putting someone in the slightest danger. We are always hearing the mantra "if it only saves one life then it's worth it" when the government/police/local authority or any other official body tries to impede our freedoms. Surely in this case the same rule should apply. Or does the "racism" card even trump that? " Nothing new there is there? What would happen is that they'd be referred to the criminal injuries compensation scheme. That's what's happening for British people injured in Tripoli and for people injured in other terrorist attacks. Of course there was the case of our soldiers sent to Iraq with inadequate equipment who were killed or maimed. They and their families were refused compensation by the government. After a long legal battle their relatives were given permission in 2013 by the uk's supreme Court to sue the ministry of defence. But they had to fight and win that case under article 2 of the human rights act - something this government promises to repeal so I guess wouldn't be available in the future if all this happens. So that would be easy for the government - get rid of your right to life and they don't have to worry about being sued. | |||
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"why can white people not have black friends It's more that it's often used as a statement like: "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" when actually the person is racist." this.. especially when the person with their 'black friend' has been consistently racist in many of their contributions.. | |||
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"Why is there so many people in these forum rooms waiting to jump on people and be so PC talk like do Gooders get a life and let them that want to chat chat "Political correctness gone mad" is the phrase uttered when a person finds an idea uncomfortable that is being taken seriously by lots of other people. But political correctness has gone mad. There are a lot of people who quite enjoy taking offence at almost anything. Try watching "The Human Stain" So people are taking ideas seriously that you personally find ridiculous? Have you tried considering why people take those ideas seriously instead of dismissing them because they don't fit with your personal world _iew?" I find it really offensive that you think that I find ridiculous things ridiculous. Surely this must be a case of ridiculousism. Basically in lots of cases that is how bloody ridiculous it really is. Try watching the movie. Hopkins is very good. | |||
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"Very True think the like the cold and the rain frost and snow" When there was heavy snowfall in Lebanon in December 2013 the UN had to appeal for extra help for 125000 refugees. I expect that tents used for 32C+ summer heat didn't give much protection. Yes very true they might like a more mild climate. | |||
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"Thinking from another angle. In these days of "blame culture" ambulance chasing lawyers, health and safety Etc. Where you only have to trip on a discarded fag end to qualify for a small lottery win in compensation, what would happen if a good brief could prove that the government was negligent by allowing an ISIS supporter into the country who then subsequently committed an attack? Anyone who runs a business or works at the sharp end in any public service knows only too well about risk assessments and the potential liabilities of putting someone in the slightest danger. We are always hearing the mantra "if it only saves one life then it's worth it" when the government/police/local authority or any other official body tries to impede our freedoms. Surely in this case the same rule should apply. Or does the "racism" card even trump that? Nothing new there is there? What would happen is that they'd be referred to the criminal injuries compensation scheme. That's what's happening for British people injured in Tripoli and for people injured in other terrorist attacks. Of course there was the case of our soldiers sent to Iraq with inadequate equipment who were killed or maimed. They and their families were refused compensation by the government. After a long legal battle their relatives were given permission in 2013 by the uk's supreme Court to sue the ministry of defence. But they had to fight and win that case under article 2 of the human rights act - something this government promises to repeal so I guess wouldn't be available in the future if all this happens. So that would be easy for the government - get rid of your right to life and they don't have to worry about being sued." Hmmn no mention at all there of the new bill of rights that will replace it, and neither you or I know what will be in the new bill of rights, but don't let that stop your pontificating and posturing that we're all doomed because of the nasty tory government. | |||
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"Thinking from another angle. In these days of "blame culture" ambulance chasing lawyers, health and safety Etc. Where you only have to trip on a discarded fag end to qualify for a small lottery win in compensation, what would happen if a good brief could prove that the government was negligent by allowing an ISIS supporter into the country who then subsequently committed an attack? Anyone who runs a business or works at the sharp end in any public service knows only too well about risk assessments and the potential liabilities of putting someone in the slightest danger. We are always hearing the mantra "if it only saves one life then it's worth it" when the government/police/local authority or any other official body tries to impede our freedoms. Surely in this case the same rule should apply. Or does the "racism" card even trump that? Nothing new there is there? What would happen is that they'd be referred to the criminal injuries compensation scheme. That's what's happening for British people injured in Tripoli and for people injured in other terrorist attacks. Of course there was the case of our soldiers sent to Iraq with inadequate equipment who were killed or maimed. They and their families were refused compensation by the government. After a long legal battle their relatives were given permission in 2013 by the uk's supreme Court to sue the ministry of defence. But they had to fight and win that case under article 2 of the human rights act - something this government promises to repeal so I guess wouldn't be available in the future if all this happens. So that would be easy for the government - get rid of your right to life and they don't have to worry about being sued. Hmmn no mention at all there of the new bill of rights that will replace it, and neither you or I know what will be in the new bill of rights, but don't let that stop your pontificating and posturing that we're all doomed because of the nasty tory government. " That would be the tory government in 2013 that didn't want human rights for the people the government sends to war wouldn't it? If that's how they treat our heroes there's no way to trust them with the rights of the rest of us. Certainly not blind belief in some unpublished bill. My pontificating and posturing has far more substance to it than those cheap and nasty little insults and blustering based on Ukip propaganda. | |||
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"Thinking from another angle. In these days of "blame culture" ambulance chasing lawyers, health and safety Etc. Where you only have to trip on a discarded fag end to qualify for a small lottery win in compensation, what would happen if a good brief could prove that the government was negligent by allowing an ISIS supporter into the country who then subsequently committed an attack? Anyone who runs a business or works at the sharp end in any public service knows only too well about risk assessments and the potential liabilities of putting someone in the slightest danger. We are always hearing the mantra "if it only saves one life then it's worth it" when the government/police/local authority or any other official body tries to impede our freedoms. Surely in this case the same rule should apply. Or does the "racism" card even trump that? Nothing new there is there? What would happen is that they'd be referred to the criminal injuries compensation scheme. That's what's happening for British people injured in Tripoli and for people injured in other terrorist attacks. Of course there was the case of our soldiers sent to Iraq with inadequate equipment who were killed or maimed. They and their families were refused compensation by the government. After a long legal battle their relatives were given permission in 2013 by the uk's supreme Court to sue the ministry of defence. But they had to fight and win that case under article 2 of the human rights act - something this government promises to repeal so I guess wouldn't be available in the future if all this happens. So that would be easy for the government - get rid of your right to life and they don't have to worry about being sued. Hmmn no mention at all there of the new bill of rights that will replace it, and neither you or I know what will be in the new bill of rights, but don't let that stop your pontificating and posturing that we're all doomed because of the nasty tory government. That would be the tory government in 2013 that didn't want human rights for the people the government sends to war wouldn't it? If that's how they treat our heroes there's no way to trust them with the rights of the rest of us. Certainly not blind belief in some unpublished bill. My pontificating and posturing has far more substance to it than those cheap and nasty little insults and blustering based on Ukip propaganda. "
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Glad you admit there that you don't know what will be in the new bill of rights. I guess we'll all have to wait and see won't we. Oh and what's UKIP got to do with it, aren't you off topic there? "You're delirious centaur ukip man. Go and take a nap. Take my word for it it'll do you the world of good. It won't improve your ability to read and comprehend the written word but it'll help keep your blood pressure down. You seem to hate so many things and so many people i worry about you stressing yourself right out and becoming a burden on the NHS. | |||
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"This doesn't worry us because we live in the countryside where there's nothing worth bombing and nobody worth beheading, but are city dwellers concerned about this? Do you think Cameron will make sure appropriate checks are carried out? Obviously genuine refugees need as much help as can be given, but are you confident that our security forces are able to protect British residents if this is the case? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/isis-fighters-hiding-on-migrant-boats-coming-to-europe-report-says-10255887.html" I'm not say that what these people are doing is right, its clearly wrong and has to be stopped.......but when will our politicians stop dragging us into conflicts when they clearly have no plan for what happens once the war has finished. We've seen it in both Iraq and Afghanistan and now its spreading. We destabilize governments which are evil but then have nothing to replace them. We create a power vacuum which is then filled with something we cant control, and is much worse than what we removed. Saddam Hussein was one evil son of a bitch but the Iraqis had free hospitals, free university education and a functioning government. What do the Iraqis have now. Freedom? Freedom isn't worth a toss if you have no food on the table and ISIS are banging on your front door. The only group that can bring lasting peace to the Middle East is the people who live there. The politics are so complicated you need a Phd to understand them. Our politicians need to sort out their balls-ups at home (the NHS etc) before they try to meddle elsewhere The CIA use a phrase called "Blowback". Its where what you do has unforeseen, unintended consequences. Western Governments fast becoming blowback experts Rant over | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! And before the vicious messages of hate and racism flow dont even bother because im not. My fellow countrymen women and children mean more to me than these people. There own country wont help them why should we step in and bring them here to hurt and kill our own " Syria became home to the refugees who fled the armies of Ibrahim Basha in 1839 Syria became home to the Circassian refugees in 1860 Syria became home to the Armenian refugees in 1914 Syria became home to the Palestinian refugees in 1948 Syria became home once again to Palestinian refugees in 1967 Syria became home to the refugees from Kuwait in 1990 Syria became home to refugees from Lebanon in 1996 Syria became home to the refugees from Iraq in 2003 Syria became home to the refugees from Lebanon in 2006 It will be written in the history books and generations will remember, that Syria never closed it's borders for those who fled their homes seeking safety and refuge. Syria has never asked any Arab for a visa to enter it's lands whether it was a visit or permanent stay. In Syria not a single tent was put up on the borders to accommodate for refugees across the years, houses were opened, streets were vacated and cities were renamed to allow for refugees to feel at home. Let it be written in the history books and let the generations remember, that when a Syrian needed help and refuge; borders were closed and the world looked away. | |||
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"Why is there so many people in these forum rooms waiting to jump on people and be so PC talk like do Gooders get a life and let them that want to chat chat "Political correctness gone mad" is the phrase uttered when a person finds an idea uncomfortable that is being taken seriously by lots of other people. But political correctness has gone mad. There are a lot of people who quite enjoy taking offence at almost anything. Try watching "The Human Stain" So people are taking ideas seriously that you personally find ridiculous? Have you tried considering why people take those ideas seriously instead of dismissing them because they don't fit with your personal world _iew? I find it really offensive that you think that I find ridiculous things ridiculous. Surely this must be a case of ridiculousism. Basically in lots of cases that is how bloody ridiculous it really is. Try watching the movie. Hopkins is very good.
Could you give me an example of something that you find ridiculous?"I suppose I could go on about blackboards becoming chalkboards, or Zulu in the phonetic alphabet being changed to Zebra, but I could really sum it all up by using the name of an English town. ROTHERHAM!! | |||
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"Why is there so many people in these forum rooms waiting to jump on people and be so PC talk like do Gooders get a life and let them that want to chat chat "Political correctness gone mad" is the phrase uttered when a person finds an idea uncomfortable that is being taken seriously by lots of other people. But political correctness has gone mad. There are a lot of people who quite enjoy taking offence at almost anything. Try watching "The Human Stain" So people are taking ideas seriously that you personally find ridiculous? Have you tried considering why people take those ideas seriously instead of dismissing them because they don't fit with your personal world _iew? I find it really offensive that you think that I find ridiculous things ridiculous. Surely this must be a case of ridiculousism. Basically in lots of cases that is how bloody ridiculous it really is. Try watching the movie. Hopkins is very good.
Could you give me an example of something that you find ridiculous?
I suppose I could go on about blackboards becoming chalkboards, or Zulu in the phonetic alphabet being changed to Zebra, but I could really sum it all up by using the name of an English town.
ROTHERHAM!!" You could also have used the example of the PC gang wanting the name Christmas being changed to "winter break", in a predominantly Christian country we don't want to upset and offend any other religions do we. | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! " Have to agree, those Saxons, Danes, and Romans have ruined his country... send me all back I say... | |||
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"I suppose I could go on about blackboards becoming chalkboards, or Zulu in the phonetic alphabet being changed to Zebra, but I could really sum it all up by using the name of an English town. ROTHERHAM!! What happened in Rotherham that you found so ridiculous? Absolutely astonished you have to ask that.
Could it be the police and social services afraid to act for fear of being called racist in the Muslim paedophile grooming gang case. "I've looked it up, I don't remember it being in the papers around here. However at the time the story broke I was living in a house with no heating, no internet, and trying to keep a university degree on track... so... news wasn't exactly first priority for me. Having just read a few of the stories it doesn't sound like 'political correctness gone mad; at all to be honest. It sounds like a few people who were afraid of being called racists who didn't go and ask people what they should do about the problem that they perceived. In other words - stupid people. Not 'do-gooders' or 'politically correct' types, but incompetent report writers who didn't want to get fingers pointed at them. There's nothing 'politically correct' about avoiding naming someones ethinicity, even if the media would like you to believe that there is. | |||
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Could it be the police and social services afraid to act for fear of being called racist in the Muslim paedophile grooming gang case. "Is that the same police force who also ignored celebrity and political paedophile cases? Not sure it's fear of racism, seems more an intolerance of children that is to blame. | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! Have to agree, those Saxons, Danes, and Romans have ruined his country... send me all back I say... " The Vikings too! Send me back to those hot, tall, blonde men with perfect bodies, great socialist welfare policies and free education... | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! Have to agree, those Saxons, Danes, and Romans have ruined his country... send me all back I say... The Vikings too! Send me back to those hot, tall, blonde men with perfect bodies, great socialist welfare policies and free education..." Bit of rape n' pillage on the side... who knows? | |||
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"I suppose I could go on about blackboards becoming chalkboards, or Zulu in the phonetic alphabet being changed to Zebra, but I could really sum it all up by using the name of an English town. ROTHERHAM!! What happened in Rotherham that you found so ridiculous? Absolutely astonished you have to ask that.
Could it be the police and social services afraid to act for fear of being called racist in the Muslim paedophile grooming gang case.
I've looked it up, I don't remember it being in the papers around here. However at the time the story broke I was living in a house with no heating, no internet, and trying to keep a university degree on track... so... news wasn't exactly first priority for me.
Having just read a few of the stories it doesn't sound like 'political correctness gone mad; at all to be honest. It sounds like a few people who were afraid of being called racists who didn't go and ask people what they should do about the problem that they perceived. In other words - stupid people. Not 'do-gooders' or 'politically correct' types, but incompetent report writers who didn't want to get fingers pointed at them.
There's nothing 'politically correct' about avoiding naming someones ethinicity, even if the media would like you to believe that there is."Maybe it wasn't in your local papers but it was in the National newspapers and covered on the national news channels like the BBC, sky news, itv news, channel 4 news, channel 5 news and so on. Find it hard to believe you didn't hear about it at the time. | |||
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"I suppose I could go on about blackboards becoming chalkboards, or Zulu in the phonetic alphabet being changed to Zebra, but I could really sum it all up by using the name of an English town. ROTHERHAM!! What happened in Rotherham that you found so ridiculous? Absolutely astonished you have to ask that.
Could it be the police and social services afraid to act for fear of being called racist in the Muslim paedophile grooming gang case.
I've looked it up, I don't remember it being in the papers around here. However at the time the story broke I was living in a house with no heating, no internet, and trying to keep a university degree on track... so... news wasn't exactly first priority for me.
Having just read a few of the stories it doesn't sound like 'political correctness gone mad; at all to be honest. It sounds like a few people who were afraid of being called racists who didn't go and ask people what they should do about the problem that they perceived. In other words - stupid people. Not 'do-gooders' or 'politically correct' types, but incompetent report writers who didn't want to get fingers pointed at them.
There's nothing 'politically correct' about avoiding naming someones ethinicity, even if the media would like you to believe that there is."LOL double LOL and LOL a bit more. Someone who has an opinion about pretty much everything but missed one of the biggest scandals in recent history. Then has the gall to blame the media that she doesn't read. You really couldn't make this up. Oh LOL again. | |||
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"IF IS sent fighters as refugees why would they risk them on boats that are leaking and every possibility that they will sink ?" Because Isis fighters have been trained to swim? | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! Have to agree, those Saxons, Danes, and Romans have ruined his country... send me all back I say... The Vikings too! Send me back to those hot, tall, blonde men with perfect bodies, great socialist welfare policies and free education..." I find your indifference to the rape victims of the Rotherham gangs and your apparent love of Vikings, who's main attributes were violence, rape and theft quite disgusting. How about trying to achieve a little humanity? | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! Have to agree, those Saxons, Danes, and Romans have ruined his country... send me all back I say... The Vikings too! Send me back to those hot, tall, blonde men with perfect bodies, great socialist welfare policies and free education... I find your indifference to the rape victims of the Rotherham gangs and your apparent love of Vikings, who's main attributes were violence, rape and theft quite disgusting. How about trying to achieve a little humanity?" Tell me where I have shown 'indifference' to the Rotherham gangs. Indifference is a lack of concern, interest, or sympathy. Concern and sympathy have little place in a debate, and I'm certainly interested otherwise I wouldn't have looked it up and read up on it. As for the Vikings, well, I think it was quite clear that I was implying I'd like to be sent back to modern Scanorwegians, considering I mentioned socialist policies and free education... | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! Have to agree, those Saxons, Danes, and Romans have ruined his country... send me all back I say... The Vikings too! Send me back to those hot, tall, blonde men with perfect bodies, great socialist welfare policies and free education... I find your indifference to the rape victims of the Rotherham gangs and your apparent love of Vikings, who's main attributes were violence, rape and theft quite disgusting. How about trying to achieve a little humanity? Tell me where I have shown 'indifference' to the Rotherham gangs. Indifference is a lack of concern, interest, or sympathy. Concern and sympathy have little place in a debate, and I'm certainly interested otherwise I wouldn't have looked it up and read up on it. As for the Vikings, well, I think it was quite clear that I was implying I'd like to be sent back to modern Scanorwegians, considering I mentioned socialist policies and free education..." "I've looked it up, I don't remember it being in the papers around here. However at the time the story broke I was living in a house with no heating, no internet, and trying to keep a university degree on track... so... news wasn't exactly first priority for me." Complete cobblers. And Vikings were a recognised race of violent seafarers active between the 8th and 11th centuries, they do not exist any more. | |||
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"And Vikings were a recognised race of violent seafarers active between the 8th and 11th centuries, they do not exist any more. " Well actually... they were not, that is the Holywood version. They settled most of Northern England, in the early days, built York city amongst other achievements, settled Iceland and Russia, travelled to America before it was discovered by the Spanish, as well as settling in Northern France where over time they became known as Normans (from Norse Men) where they finally invaded Southern England and are the current last invaders of this island. But this is all way off topic. In answer to hiding ISIS troops amongst refugees, yes they could do that... but why? they are already recruiting from Manchester, Birmingham and many other cities across Europe so it seems foolish to smuggle unarmed fighters in scattered groups with little control of where they would end up. | |||
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"And Vikings were a recognised race of violent seafarers active between the 8th and 11th centuries, they do not exist any more. Well actually... they were not, that is the Holywood version. They settled most of Northern England, in the early days, built York city amongst other achievements, settled Iceland and Russia, travelled to America before it was discovered by the Spanish, as well as settling in Northern France where over time they became known as Normans (from Norse Men) where they finally invaded Southern England and are the current last invaders of this island. But this is all way off topic. In answer to hiding ISIS troops amongst refugees, yes they could do that... but why? they are already recruiting from Manchester, Birmingham and many other cities across Europe so it seems foolish to smuggle unarmed fighters in scattered groups with little control of where they would end up. " bloody auto carrot it changed raped and murdered to settled there | |||
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"IF IS sent fighters as refugees why would they risk them on boats that are leaking and every possibility that they will sink ? Because Isis fighters have been trained to swim? You've attended the training camp now have you? So it's all dead easy literally. Let all the boats sink then shoot the ones who can swim. That'll stop the buggers getting in. "What a ridiculous statement?
Or did you read that in the guardian? Lol
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"And Vikings were a recognised race of violent seafarers active between the 8th and 11th centuries, they do not exist any more. Well actually... they were not, that is the Holywood version. They settled most of Northern England, in the early days, built York city amongst other achievements, settled Iceland and Russia, travelled to America before it was discovered by the Spanish, as well as settling in Northern France where over time they became known as Normans (from Norse Men) where they finally invaded Southern England and are the current last invaders of this island. But this is all way off topic. In answer to hiding ISIS troops amongst refugees, yes they could do that... but why? they are already recruiting from Manchester, Birmingham and many other cities across Europe so it seems foolish to smuggle unarmed fighters in scattered groups with little control of where they would end up. " You need to read your history books again - the Viking Age is the period A.D. 793–1066 in European history, especially Northern European and Scandinavian history, following the Germanic Iron Age. They were known as Vikings when they raided, otherwise they were Norsemen. | |||
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"And Vikings were a recognised race of violent seafarers active between the 8th and 11th centuries, they do not exist any more. Well actually... they were not, that is the Holywood version. They settled most of Northern England, in the early days, built York city amongst other achievements, settled Iceland and Russia, travelled to America before it was discovered by the Spanish, as well as settling in Northern France where over time they became known as Normans (from Norse Men) where they finally invaded Southern England and are the current last invaders of this island. But this is all way off topic. In answer to hiding ISIS troops amongst refugees, yes they could do that... but why? they are already recruiting from Manchester, Birmingham and many other cities across Europe so it seems foolish to smuggle unarmed fighters in scattered groups with little control of where they would end up. " For my part I'm fairly sure they will try to send fighters in amongst refugees and I hope the security forces are up to detecting them. But I'd also gamble that Isis will make sure that a few get detected and caught so that security services tie up large amounts of resources looking in the wrong direction whilst they send people through normal commercial channels. Who'd risk getting any number of their forces killed or detected crossing in a boat when they can hide safely amongst thousands of normal travellers with far less risk of detection? Then again I bet mi5 and special branch are way ahead of this debate too. | |||
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"It's interesting reading some of the above responses to a genuine threat. I can honestly state that to grow up with the spectre of terrorism on a daily basis for the first 30 years of my life was no picnic and God for bid any one on this thread has it for even one day in their village or town... Be careful about what you may think you are safe from...." 'we' in the UK as you allude to have lived with the threat of terrorism for most of our adult lives, certainly since the early 70's.. one can still be vigilant and get on with ones life.. | |||
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"You need to read your history books again - the Viking Age is the period A.D. 793–1066 in European history, especially Northern European and Scandinavian history, following the Germanic Iron Age. They were known as Vikings when they raided, otherwise they were Norsemen." Funny how a name change has such an effect isn't it... actually to go Viking was an activity some from what is now known as Scandinavia took part in, not really a race of people, but as I said well off topic, and I apologise for accidentally throwing it into the thread
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"IF IS sent fighters as refugees why would they risk them on boats that are leaking and every possibility that they will sink ? Because Isis fighters have been trained to swim? You've attended the training camp now have you? So it's all dead easy literally. Let all the boats sink then shoot the ones who can swim. That'll stop the buggers getting in.
What a ridiculous statement?
Or did you read that in the guardian? Lol
If Isis fighters are trained in combat, explosives, firearms training, and mostly what could be considered basic military training, then surely being able to swim must be a basic requirement.
"Suddenly you're a military expert. How much training do you give a suicide bomber? Thirteen week boot camp plus specialist school ? Or just "press this button". You know nothing about their training so the only thing that's certain is that you're guessing based on a comic book _iew of the world. | |||
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"I'm Ex-army and go to alot of reunion meal's and help funding with an army magazine..i'm also in contact with alot of serving soldier's.....over the last two year's,over a 100 army wives have received threatening letter's from ISIS supporter's in this country..and many more are still getting them...this is not being reported in the media....believe me..the British army are not happy with this." That is a cause for concern, is there an organised investigation into the sources? if not can your magazine make sure that something gets started? | |||
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"I'm Ex-army and go to alot of reunion meal's and help funding with an army magazine..i'm also in contact with alot of serving soldier's.....over the last two year's,over a 100 army wives have received threatening letter's from ISIS supporter's in this country..and many more are still getting them...this is not being reported in the media....believe me..the British army are not happy with this. That is a cause for concern, is there an organised investigation into the sources? if not can your magazine make sure that something gets started?" would like to think that the police have been involved..? 100+ letters may have some forensic value to help with any investigation.. | |||
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"And Vikings were a recognised race of violent seafarers active between the 8th and 11th centuries, they do not exist any more. Well actually... they were not, that is the Holywood version. They settled most of Northern England, in the early days, built York city amongst other achievements, settled Iceland and Russia, travelled to America before it was discovered by the Spanish, as well as settling in Northern France where over time they became known as Normans (from Norse Men) where they finally invaded Southern England and are the current last invaders of this island. But this is all way off topic. In answer to hiding ISIS troops amongst refugees, yes they could do that... but why? they are already recruiting from Manchester, Birmingham and many other cities across Europe so it seems foolish to smuggle unarmed fighters in scattered groups with little control of where they would end up. " You are correct about at home Isis wanna b's but the difference between the fighters coming from Abroad is that they are fighters who have been trained in how to use weapons and have had in all probability combat experience or at the very least been blooded to the cause.... | |||
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"IF IS sent fighters as refugees why would they risk them on boats that are leaking and every possibility that they will sink ? Because Isis fighters have been trained to swim? You've attended the training camp now have you? So it's all dead easy literally. Let all the boats sink then shoot the ones who can swim. That'll stop the buggers getting in.
What a ridiculous statement?
Or did you read that in the guardian? Lol
If Isis fighters are trained in combat, explosives, firearms training, and mostly what could be considered basic military training, then surely being able to swim must be a basic requirement.
Suddenly you're a military expert. How much training do you give a suicide bomber? Thirteen week boot camp plus specialist school ? Or just "press this button". You know nothing about their training so the only thing that's certain is that you're guessing based on a comic book _iew of the world."Pretty sure an "expert" wouldn't start their sentence with "if" | |||
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"IF IS sent fighters as refugees why would they risk them on boats that are leaking and every possibility that they will sink ? Because Isis fighters have been trained to swim? You've attended the training camp now have you? So it's all dead easy literally. Let all the boats sink then shoot the ones who can swim. That'll stop the buggers getting in.
What a ridiculous statement?
Or did you read that in the guardian? Lol
If Isis fighters are trained in combat, explosives, firearms training, and mostly what could be considered basic military training, then surely being able to swim must be a basic requirement.
Suddenly you're a military expert. How much training do you give a suicide bomber? Thirteen week boot camp plus specialist school ? Or just "press this button". You know nothing about their training so the only thing that's certain is that you're guessing based on a comic book _iew of the world."I was a medic in the TA a few years back, and I received training in combat, explosives and firearms as well as trauma care. It was also compulsory to be a competent swimmer. I would agree that ISIS fighters have probably been trained in these basic military skills. Once here, they would probably share their knowledge with the homegrown potential terrorists. | |||
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"IF IS sent fighters as refugees why would they risk them on boats that are leaking and every possibility that they will sink ? Because Isis fighters have been trained to swim? You've attended the training camp now have you? So it's all dead easy literally. Let all the boats sink then shoot the ones who can swim. That'll stop the buggers getting in.
What a ridiculous statement?
Or did you read that in the guardian? Lol
If Isis fighters are trained in combat, explosives, firearms training, and mostly what could be considered basic military training, then surely being able to swim must be a basic requirement.
Suddenly you're a military expert. How much training do you give a suicide bomber? Thirteen week boot camp plus specialist school ? Or just "press this button". You know nothing about their training so the only thing that's certain is that you're guessing based on a comic book _iew of the world."The only thing that's certain is how ridiculous your comments are on this thread. There is quite a lot to learn about Isis training from what is released in news footage alone, and there is other information available besides what is shown on the news. You seem quite fond of quoting figures on here from what you drag up on Google so I thought you would know that. | |||
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"IF IS sent fighters as refugees why would they risk them on boats that are leaking and every possibility that they will sink ? Because Isis fighters have been trained to swim? You've attended the training camp now have you? So it's all dead easy literally. Let all the boats sink then shoot the ones who can swim. That'll stop the buggers getting in.
What a ridiculous statement?
Or did you read that in the guardian? Lol
If Isis fighters are trained in combat, explosives, firearms training, and mostly what could be considered basic military training, then surely being able to swim must be a basic requirement.
Suddenly you're a military expert. How much training do you give a suicide bomber? Thirteen week boot camp plus specialist school ? Or just "press this button". You know nothing about their training so the only thing that's certain is that you're guessing based on a comic book _iew of the world.
I was a medic in the TA a few years back, and I received training in combat, explosives and firearms as well as trauma care. It was also compulsory to be a competent swimmer. I would agree that ISIS fighters have probably been trained in these basic military skills. Once here, they would probably share their knowledge with the homegrown potential terrorists. " | |||
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What a ridiculous statement?
Or did you read that in the guardian? Lol
If Isis fighters are trained in combat, explosives, firearms training, and mostly what could be considered basic military training, then surely being able to swim must be a basic requirement.
Suddenly you're a military expert. How much training do you give a suicide bomber? Thirteen week boot camp plus specialist school ? Or just "press this button". You know nothing about their training so the only thing that's certain is that you're guessing based on a comic book _iew of the world.
I was a medic in the TA a few years back, and I received training in combat, explosives and firearms as well as trauma care. It was also compulsory to be a competent swimmer. I would agree that ISIS fighters have probably been trained in these basic military skills. Once here, they would probably share their knowledge with the homegrown potential terrorists. "You can agree but you still don't know. It's pure speculation based on more speculation based on a rumour and after all that it's perfectly useless as military intelligence - what does 'they can swim boys' give our intelligence people to work with? Then the cunning bastards will send people who can't swim to deceive the intelligence community once they're looking for fit Syrians offering swimming classes. | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! And before the vicious messages of hate and racism flow dont even bother because im not. My fellow countrymen women and children mean more to me than these people. There own country wont help them why should we step in and bring them here to hurt and kill our own Syria became home to the refugees who fled the armies of Ibrahim Basha in 1839 Syria became home to the Circassian refugees in 1860 Syria became home to the Armenian refugees in 1914 Syria became home to the Palestinian refugees in 1948 Syria became home once again to Palestinian refugees in 1967 Syria became home to the refugees from Kuwait in 1990 Syria became home to refugees from Lebanon in 1996 Syria became home to the refugees from Iraq in 2003 Syria became home to the refugees from Lebanon in 2006 It will be written in the history books and generations will remember, that Syria never closed it's borders for those who fled their homes seeking safety and refuge. Syria has never asked any Arab for a visa to enter it's lands whether it was a visit or permanent stay. In Syria not a single tent was put up on the borders to accommodate for refugees across the years, houses were opened, streets were vacated and cities were renamed to allow for refugees to feel at home. Let it be written in the history books and let the generations remember, that when a Syrian needed help and refuge; borders were closed and the world looked away."
I find these reports about people hiding within the refugees etc.... We actually grow our (7/7) wgat happened to the British spirit that didn't let Hitler change their attitude, not did they bow down to the IRA bombings!
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"You are correct about at home Isis wanna b's but the difference between the fighters coming from Abroad is that they are fighters who have been trained in how to use weapons and have had in all probability combat experience or at the very least been blooded to the cause...." They also have oil money and wealthy extremist and probably some state sponsorship too, I would be more concerned about those who don't look quite comfortable in their Armani suits flying in business class from Dubai etc. for small scale terrorist insertions, Stories of infiltration through refugee camps are possibly more an excuse to leave victims to suffer than an actual threat to our safety. | |||
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"IF IS sent fighters as refugees why would they risk them on boats that are leaking and every possibility that they will sink ? Because Isis fighters have been trained to swim? You've attended the training camp now have you? So it's all dead easy literally. Let all the boats sink then shoot the ones who can swim. That'll stop the buggers getting in.
What a ridiculous statement?
Or did you read that in the guardian? Lol
If Isis fighters are trained in combat, explosives, firearms training, and mostly what could be considered basic military training, then surely being able to swim must be a basic requirement.
Suddenly you're a military expert. How much training do you give a suicide bomber? Thirteen week boot camp plus specialist school ? Or just "press this button". You know nothing about their training so the only thing that's certain is that you're guessing based on a comic book _iew of the world.
The only thing that's certain is how ridiculous your comments are on this thread. There is quite a lot to learn about Isis training from what is released in news footage alone, and there is other information available besides what is shown on the news. You seem quite fond of quoting figures on here from what you drag up on Google so I thought you would know that. "Blimey you've got a huge chip on your shoulder about Google. Is it because it was invented by foreigners? Kindly forward a link to the video of the ISIS swimming class for people who are to be smuggled into Greece on a boat - after you've finished your war comic, there's absolutely no hurry at all. | |||
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"Stop all asylum seekers would they help us ? NO would they follow our way of like ? NO we are helping there people and they are trying to kill us!!!! Enoch powell was right !! We are now being terrorised by our own home grown people send them back send them all back charity begins at home !!! And before the vicious messages of hate and racism flow dont even bother because im not. My fellow countrymen women and children mean more to me than these people. There own country wont help them why should we step in and bring them here to hurt and kill our own Syria became home to the refugees who fled the armies of Ibrahim Basha in 1839 Syria became home to the Circassian refugees in 1860 Syria became home to the Armenian refugees in 1914 Syria became home to the Palestinian refugees in 1948 Syria became home once again to Palestinian refugees in 1967 Syria became home to the refugees from Kuwait in 1990 Syria became home to refugees from Lebanon in 1996 Syria became home to the refugees from Iraq in 2003 Syria became home to the refugees from Lebanon in 2006 It will be written in the history books and generations will remember, that Syria never closed it's borders for those who fled their homes seeking safety and refuge. Syria has never asked any Arab for a visa to enter it's lands whether it was a visit or permanent stay. In Syria not a single tent was put up on the borders to accommodate for refugees across the years, houses were opened, streets were vacated and cities were renamed to allow for refugees to feel at home. Let it be written in the history books and let the generations remember, that when a Syrian needed help and refuge; borders were closed and the world looked away.
I find these reports about people hiding within the refugees etc.... We actually grow our (7/7) wgat happened to the British spirit that didn't let Hitler change their attitude, not did they bow down to the IRA bombings!
Where is everyone's humanity?! If these people need help we should give it! "I certainly haven't suggested that we, as a nation, shouldn't help those who genuinely need help. However, I'm not so naive as to believe that fanatics wouldn't try any method of gaining entry to Europe, even if it's a possible risk to themselves. I also have very little faith in the ability of our "security" organisations to keep up with anybody who doesn't want to be found. They can't even track the finger-printed and DNA profiled guy who walked out of an open prison recently - that was 2 months ago, and still no joy for the "experts". | |||
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"IF IS sent fighters as refugees why would they risk them on boats that are leaking and every possibility that they will sink ? Because Isis fighters have been trained to swim? You've attended the training camp now have you? So it's all dead easy literally. Let all the boats sink then shoot the ones who can swim. That'll stop the buggers getting in.
What a ridiculous statement?
Or did you read that in the guardian? Lol
If Isis fighters are trained in combat, explosives, firearms training, and mostly what could be considered basic military training, then surely being able to swim must be a basic requirement.
Suddenly you're a military expert. How much training do you give a suicide bomber? Thirteen week boot camp plus specialist school ? Or just "press this button". You know nothing about their training so the only thing that's certain is that you're guessing based on a comic book _iew of the world.
The only thing that's certain is how ridiculous your comments are on this thread. There is quite a lot to learn about Isis training from what is released in news footage alone, and there is other information available besides what is shown on the news. You seem quite fond of quoting figures on here from what you drag up on Google so I thought you would know that.
Blimey you've got a huge chip on your shoulder about Google. Is it because it was invented by foreigners?
Kindly forward a link to the video of the ISIS swimming class for people who are to be smuggled into Greece on a boat - after you've finished your war comic, there's absolutely no hurry at all."Try adding 2 and 2 together, I think you'll find it comes to 4 in most people's world's, but I suspect in your world you will come up with a different result? It's already been explained to you clearly on this thread in plain English why isis fighters would have the ability to swim as a basic requirement. Oh and a Brit invented the Internet, without which Google wouldn't exist in the first place. | |||
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"See them on the news 99% are young fit men crying about there wife and children they have left cowards spring to mind what sort of a human been leaves there wife and children come on do GOODERS tell the room" Are you suggesting that the government follows up on them and rescues their families as soon as possible to stop the tears of their menfolk and the suffering of their wives and children? That could turn you into a bleeding heart Guardian reading do gooder Marxist. Add your own shouty capitals where you like. Just a thought - what is wrong with doing good? What sort of mind thinks that is ever an insult? Should our world give in to the people who want to do evil to everyone else? Something must have gone very wrong with our schools in recent times. | |||
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"See them on the news 99% are young fit men crying about there wife and children they have left cowards spring to mind what sort of a human been leaves there wife and children come on do GOODERS tell the room" I think you comment on what you see through your own twisted perspective in order to for it to suit your hate fuelled agenda and not on what is actually happening. I saw this quote today 'The people who are saying we should look after our own always seem to be the people also moaning loudest about the unemployed, the homeless and the disabled'. It seems oddly appropriate to mention it here | |||
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"Were are all the women and Children left behind there just cowardly YOUNG FIT MEN THAT'S RUN AWAY HOW CAN THEY LEAVE THERE WIFE AND CHILDREN AND RUN OFF LOWEST OF THE LOW DO GOODERS WHAT CAN YOU SAY ABOUT THAT" The fact that you feel the need to shout says it all. It's a typical bullying tactic, don't believe me just say it again louder. As pathetic as the sentiment is vile | |||
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"See them on the news 99% are young fit men crying about there wife and children they have left cowards spring to mind what sort of a human been leaves there wife and children come on do GOODERS tell the room Are you suggesting that the government follows up on them and rescues their families as soon as possible to stop the tears of their menfolk and the suffering of their wives and children? That could turn you into a bleeding heart Guardian reading do gooder Marxist. Add your own shouty capitals where you like. Just a thought - what is wrong with doing good? What sort of mind thinks that is ever an insult? Should our world give in to the people who want to do evil to everyone else? Something must have gone very wrong with our schools in recent times." Agreed Anyonme that thinks doing hood is an insult is very much what ius wrong with our society | |||
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"Were are all the women and Children left behind there just cowardly YOUNG FIT MEN THAT'S RUN AWAY HOW CAN THEY LEAVE THERE WIFE AND CHILDREN AND RUN OFF LOWEST OF THE LOW DO GOODERS WHAT CAN YOU SAY ABOUT THAT The fact that you feel the need to shout says it all. It's a typical bullying tactic, don't believe me just say it again louder. As pathetic as the sentiment is vile"
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" Blimey you've got a huge chip on your shoulder about Google. Is it because it was invented by foreigners? Kindly forward a link to the video of the ISIS swimming class for people who are to be smuggled into Greece on a boat - after you've finished your war comic, there's absolutely no hurry at all." Bit of a silly request for such a link, but here's one that at least proves that ISIS have access to swimming pools. http://nypost.com/2015/06/24/new-video-shows-isis-slowly-drowning-prisoners-in-a-cage/ It would take a very dull imagination not to think that there are more than just this one pool, and that people may actually swim in them and that some of those people might be ISIS fighters. They've done a fairly successful job of getting rid of enough people who may own a pool. | |||
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"See them on the news 99% are young fit men crying about there wife and children they have left cowards spring to mind what sort of a human been leaves there wife and children come on do GOODERS tell the room" With the grand total of four thousand avaricious, amoral, venal ,edacious and gormandising rabble of assorted mouth breathers, I m sure your collected voice will go down very well. Bigots change tack to demonise the generosity of said people. The only words I could think of to illustrate the ghastly reality of what we are witnessing, the double standards and the contortion of language and morals to assuage Western guilt. An ode to the suffering, the dying and the dead. | |||
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"IF IS sent fighters as refugees why would they risk them on boats that are leaking and every possibility that they will sink ? Because Isis fighters have been trained to swim? You've attended the training camp now have you? So it's all dead easy literally. Let all the boats sink then shoot the ones who can swim. That'll stop the buggers getting in.
What a ridiculous statement?
Or did you read that in the guardian? Lol
If Isis fighters are trained in combat, explosives, firearms training, and mostly what could be considered basic military training, then surely being able to swim must be a basic requirement.
Suddenly you're a military expert. How much training do you give a suicide bomber? Thirteen week boot camp plus specialist school ? Or just "press this button". You know nothing about their training so the only thing that's certain is that you're guessing based on a comic book _iew of the world.
The only thing that's certain is how ridiculous your comments are on this thread. There is quite a lot to learn about Isis training from what is released in news footage alone, and there is other information available besides what is shown on the news. You seem quite fond of quoting figures on here from what you drag up on Google so I thought you would know that.
Blimey you've got a huge chip on your shoulder about Google. Is it because it was invented by foreigners?
Kindly forward a link to the video of the ISIS swimming class for people who are to be smuggled into Greece on a boat - after you've finished your war comic, there's absolutely no hurry at all.
Try adding 2 and 2 together, I think you'll find it comes to 4 in most people's world's, but I suspect in your world you will come up with a different result?
It's already been explained to you clearly on this thread in plain English why isis fighters would have the ability to swim as a basic requirement.
Oh and a Brit invented the Internet, without which Google wouldn't exist in the first place. "So it is a racial thing with you about Google. How sad for you. I'd actually thought it was also because you have difficulty sorting out facts and speculation. Just because you think something might happen for some people who you think might be trained somewhere and someone else thinks that what you think might happen if the same people were trained by the British it doesn't mean you are right. Just living in a sad fantasy world. I'm sad to say that your track record on facts is extremely poor, either googled or otherwise, especially the out of date crap you peddle from party headquarters. So what you wrote is "If Isis fighters are trained in blah blah blah, then surely being able to swim must be a basic requirement". In basic English the first if means you don't know then following it with then surely blah blah means you know even less. Then you repeatedly refer to the same nonsense thinking that makes it become fact. You don't know, you made something up to support yourself and admitted even more you don't know, then someone else who also didn't know came into support you so you were still bravely going on like mummy's little soldier as if you know. It's time you had another nap. | |||
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"See them on the news 99% are young fit men crying about there wife and children they have left cowards spring to mind what sort of a human been leaves there wife and children come on do GOODERS tell the room I think you comment on what you see through your own twisted perspective in order to for it to suit your hate fuelled agenda and not on what is actually happening. I saw this quote today 'The people who are saying we should look after our own always seem to be the people also moaning loudest about the unemployed, the homeless and the disabled'. It seems oddly appropriate to mention it here" Was that quote in the guardian per chance? Another recent quote from a guardian contributor called Richard Seymour who attacked disfigured Falklands war veteran Simon Weston when he criticised Jeremy Corbyn's recent comments on the Falklands, Mr Seymour said of Simon "if he knew anything, he'd still have his face". Absolutely appalling comment to make so maybe guardian readers are not the do Gooders they like to think they are. | |||
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