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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Over the last couple of weeks it's seemed like we've been at each others throats over this issue of religion. I know some people might think that I've been part of that... but I just wanted to see if we can't call a truce... after all we are all on this site and that should say something about who we are

So here's my suggestion...

Faith-based theists : Well they can't exactly be card carrying members of the Taliban can they... if they're on this site then they must be pretty open minded cool cats... so even if we disagree with the Faiths they are members of... lets give em a gold star for being super cool Faith-based theists. And try not to berate or insult them... or else they might leave and take their sexy asses with them I think there's a place for questioning things about religion, the Bible, etc... but perhaps we could all be a little less flippant and derrogatory about it all. I guess it's not what you question... its how you question it.

Non-Faith-based theists and spiritual all sorts : Come on... these kinds of hippies form the bedrock of swinging. Ok you may not agree with their outlook... but darn it they're willing to be open minded and explore new avenues... so lets blow them all a kiss for being free minded enough to come up with their own truths that include some kind of sexual liberation

Atheists : We fully understand you genuinely are convinced there isn't a god and that you can't comprehend why someone else would feel any different... and we accept your life choice and have no need to change you... (except if we could just turn the volume knob down a little lol ) ... plus... you've found your way on here so you can't be some kind of egg-headed puritanical square... so lets all cuddle our free thinking questioners of convention and accept their difference.

Everyone else : You know who you are... get in here for a big fat group hug you gorgeous big teddy bears

After all... if we were all in an orgy we'd be fine with each other... right? Or is it a case of "don't mention religion when swinging" being a new cardinal rule of swinging lol

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

You're unbelievable. You even make digs against those whose beliefs you don't agree with when you claim to be trying to promote peace, understanding and acceptance.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You're unbelievable. You even make digs against those whose beliefs you don't agree with when you claim to be trying to promote peace, understanding and acceptance. "

I think we've reached an impasse. Everyone on here is willing to stand up for what they believe is right. No one feels they're wrong... and most of us aren't really trying to change others views... we're merely defending our own. This is an attempt at an olive branch... it might not be good enough... but it's the best I could come up with. Maybe someone else will be able to do better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're unbelievable. You even make digs against those whose beliefs you don't agree with when you claim to be trying to promote peace, understanding and acceptance. "

This!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're unbelievable. You even make digs against those whose beliefs you don't agree with when you claim to be trying to promote peace, understanding and acceptance.

I think we've reached an impasse. Everyone on here is willing to stand up for what they believe is right. No one feels they're wrong... and most of us aren't really trying to change others views... we're merely defending our own. This is an attempt at an olive branch... it might not be good enough... but it's the best I could come up with. Maybe someone else will be able to do better."

Let's all chill the fuck out stop talking about religion

How's that

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

*Yawns*

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

I learned long ago, that if I wanted to avoid an argument, I shouldn't mention religion, politics, or which way sandwiches should be cut (seriously, just don't!) in here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"*Yawns*"
God is great int she!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

But by continuing the debate (on uneven terms) you prolong the agony.

It's all right

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"You're unbelievable. You even make digs against those whose beliefs you don't agree with when you claim to be trying to promote peace, understanding and acceptance.

I think we've reached an impasse. Everyone on here is willing to stand up for what they believe is right. No one feels they're wrong... and most of us aren't really trying to change others views... we're merely defending our own. This is an attempt at an olive branch... it might not be good enough... but it's the best I could come up with. Maybe someone else will be able to do better."

Of course I'm not wrong. I believe what's right for me. You're not wrong for the same reason.

If it was an attempt at an olive branch perhaps you should have considered the volume control comment unnecessary.

I find the theists far more likely to preach, start the disagreements and be overly bombastic than the atheists.

If you're aiming for peace, why the need for digs about volume controls against one group, which just happens to be the group you disagree with?

I don't care what you believe. Let me believe what I want to believe without demands or digs, and we'll have no problems. No need for an olive branch.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"You're unbelievable. You even make digs against those whose beliefs you don't agree with when you claim to be trying to promote peace, understanding and acceptance.

I think we've reached an impasse. Everyone on here is willing to stand up for what they believe is right. No one feels they're wrong... and most of us aren't really trying to change others views... we're merely defending our own. This is an attempt at an olive branch... it might not be good enough... but it's the best I could come up with. Maybe someone else will be able to do better.

Let's all chill the fuck out stop talking about religion

How's that "

Amen!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

We respect your right to be wrong.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Now.

The only other point to make is a more general one that I'm sure everyone can learn from:

Don't spend too long arguing with an idiot - the casual observer won't be able to tell who's who.

Good night, I'm off for a fuck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im sorry op but what a crock of shit. People have the opinions they express them strongly sometimes and sometimes less strongly but they move on.

Why start another thread about it and such an unsubtle one at that??

If you want to leave it alone and move on i would advise stop talking about it...

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

PS I completely understand why some people believe in God, (or a god), I just don't feel the same way.

Because it doesn't work for me, doesn't mean I don't understand why some people believe.

I went to Salvation Army Sunday school for a while as a child. The existence of God didn't seem likely to me but I went to learn so I could make an informed decision. I understand it but it doesn't work for me personally.

Some people take great strength and solace from religion and I'm glad that support is available to them.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen


"

If you want to leave it alone and move on i would advise stop talking about it..."

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Im sorry op but what a crock of shit. People have the opinions they express them strongly sometimes and sometimes less strongly but they move on.

Why start another thread about it and such an unsubtle one at that??

If you want to leave it alone and move on i would advise stop talking about it..."

Yup!

It's a new take on the look at me thread though, you must admit.

Look at my God! Look at my God!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"*Yawns*"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How about politics or football ?

Anything would preferable to

Squirting

Bareback

Kiss fuck threads

Anon!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im sorry op but what a crock of shit. People have the opinions they express them strongly sometimes and sometimes less strongly but they move on.

Why start another thread about it and such an unsubtle one at that??

If you want to leave it alone and move on i would advise stop talking about it...

Yup!

It's a new take on the look at me thread though, you must admit.

Look at my God! Look at my God!

"

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Have I missed something?

Theists proselytise.

Atheists proselytise.

Agnostics tend to keep schtum.

I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex but the only religious talk has been "Oh God! Yes!" and it doesn't seem to matter whether the cry comes from someone with faith or someone of no faith.

I will join in a group hug but I'm not big enough to be on the outside edges.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We respect your right to be wrong.

"

See that's just insulting and I could say it back. Can't we move towards something more tolerant like I put i.e. we understand that, for you, you are right. It seems crazy that we can't all do that?!?

I'm sorry for the volume knob joke but it was a light hearted dig with a "lol", nothing too offensive, and I am getting tired of the religion-bashing on here. Do people really genuinely want religious people to leave this site?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We respect your right to be wrong.

See that's just insulting and I could say it back. Can't we move towards something more tolerant like I put i.e. we understand that, for you, you are right. It seems crazy that we can't all do that?!?

I'm sorry for the volume knob joke but it was a light hearted dig with a "lol", nothing too offensive, and I am getting tired of the religion-bashing on here. Do people really genuinely want religious people to leave this site?"
interestingly should "religious" people be on this site?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We respect your right to be wrong.

See that's just insulting and I could say it back. Can't we move towards something more tolerant like I put i.e. we understand that, for you, you are right. It seems crazy that we can't all do that?!?

I'm sorry for the volume knob joke but it was a light hearted dig with a "lol", nothing too offensive, and I am getting tired of the religion-bashing on here. Do people really genuinely want religious people to leave this site? interestingly should "religious" people be on this site?"

Everyone has the right to be here if it conflicts with their relgion its their problem x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We respect your right to be wrong.

See that's just insulting and I could say it back. Can't we move towards something more tolerant like I put i.e. we understand that, for you, you are right. It seems crazy that we can't all do that?!?

I'm sorry for the volume knob joke but it was a light hearted dig with a "lol", nothing too offensive, and I am getting tired of the religion-bashing on here. Do people really genuinely want religious people to leave this site? interestingly should "religious" people be on this site?

Everyone has the right to be here if it conflicts with their relgion its their problem x"
is conflict the same as hypocrisy ?

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Have I missed something?

Theists proselytise.

Atheists proselytise.

Agnostics tend to keep schtum.

I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex but the only religious talk has been "Oh God! Yes!" and it doesn't seem to matter whether the cry comes from someone with faith or someone of no faith.

I will join in a group hug but I'm not big enough to be on the outside edges.

"

"I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex..."

Really? Convo's during sex? Blimey!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've debated with you and had no problem with you.

I never take anything on the interwebs seriously if people start getting personal and they don't know me, they don't live my life either so i tend to ignore unwanted advice too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Unbelievable. Almost all the remarks are from atheists keen to jump down my throat. I haven't proselytized... I haven't said anyone's mistaken. I've recognized everyone's truth and asked that we try and be more tolerant of each other.

Faith-based thesist : I respect your truth

Non-faith-based theists and spiritual types : I respect your truth

Atheists : I respect your truth

Eveyone else : I respect your truth

Lets all have a group hug...

...but oh no... somehow that's just a vile and offensive comment Do you want me on my hands and knees before an atheist inquisition renouncing my beliefs? Or are you really saying that you can't rise above your intellectual differences and respect our common humanity and the fact that we are all cool cat open-minded swingers?

What does an atheist olive branch even look like if I haven't myself just expressed it?

And you wonder why I made the volume joke?

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By *uper_gMan
over a year ago

london

I say believe what you want! End of the day they are all books people wish to believe in where there was no evidence due to technology if they are true or not. I recon if harry potter was written back then, there would be people believing he was god!!

Love a good debate i do, i personally dont beleive in any of it but love to play devils advocate about it all!!

The bible is a modern day twitter! if enough people follow someone and are brain washed by them they will believe anything. Amen!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I've debated with you and had no problem with you.

I never take anything on the interwebs seriously if people start getting personal and they don't know me, they don't live my life either so i tend to ignore unwanted advice too.

"

Yes Affectionate. I agree. I've enjoyed our debates and you've always been very respectful of our differences

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I find it hard that atheists should take a lesson in 'turning it down' - try living with atheism as a cultural and social domination for 1500 years and then maybe I'll take the lesson.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"We respect your right to be wrong.

See that's just insulting and I could say it back. Can't we move towards something more tolerant like I put i.e. we understand that, for you, you are right. It seems crazy that we can't all do that?!?

I'm sorry for the volume knob joke but it was a light hearted dig with a "lol", nothing too offensive, and I am getting tired of the religion-bashing on here. Do people really genuinely want religious people to leave this site?"

No. I want them to stop banging on about religion, demanding those who don't believe explain and justify their choice and thinking it's ok to make digs when claiming to be offering an olive branch.

Seriously, if there is an all-powerful God and if he cared that we all believe in Him/Her/It, he/she/it'd make sure we were left in no doubt.

I haven't been informed of the error of my ways by God, so why do you feel that you need to? If he exists, he's apparently happy for me to have the beliefs I have. Why do you disagree with him?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're unbelievable. You even make digs against those whose beliefs you don't agree with when you claim to be trying to promote peace, understanding and acceptance. "

Sorry but I disagree. I've read so many threads about those who do believe in a God being idiots & do they believe in Father Christmas or talking about a man that lives on a cloud in the sky. I don't give a shit if someone is an atheist but don't belittle what someone does believe. I'm not saying you personally do by the way.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Have I missed something?

Theists proselytise.

Atheists proselytise.

Agnostics tend to keep schtum.

I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex but the only religious talk has been "Oh God! Yes!" and it doesn't seem to matter whether the cry comes from someone with faith or someone of no faith.

I will join in a group hug but I'm not big enough to be on the outside edges.

"I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex..."

Really? Convo's during sex? Blimey! "

Yes Sometimes the man I'm with will shove something in my mouth if he's losing the argument.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"We respect your right to be wrong.

See that's just insulting and I could say it back. Can't we move towards something more tolerant like I put i.e. we understand that, for you, you are right. It seems crazy that we can't all do that?!?

I'm sorry for the volume knob joke but it was a light hearted dig with a "lol", nothing too offensive, and I am getting tired of the religion-bashing on here. Do people really genuinely want religious people to leave this site?"

If not for the volume knob "joke", I wouldn't have felt any need to comment on the post. None.

You brought any bashing here on yourself by offering an olive branch with thorns.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over the last couple of weeks it's seemed like we've been at each others throats over this issue of religion. I know some people might think that I've been part of that... but I just wanted to see if we can't call a truce... after all we are all on this site and that should say something about who we are

So here's my suggestion...

Faith-based theists : Well they can't exactly be card carrying members of the Taliban can they... if they're on this site then they must be pretty open minded cool cats... so even if we disagree with the Faiths they are members of... lets give em a gold star for being super cool Faith-based theists. And try not to berate or insult them... or else they might leave and take their sexy asses with them I think there's a place for questioning things about religion, the Bible, etc... but perhaps we could all be a little less flippant and derrogatory about it all. I guess it's not what you question... its how you question it.

Non-Faith-based theists and spiritual all sorts : Come on... these kinds of hippies form the bedrock of swinging. Ok you may not agree with their outlook... but darn it they're willing to be open minded and explore new avenues... so lets blow them all a kiss for being free minded enough to come up with their own truths that include some kind of sexual liberation

Atheists : We fully understand you genuinely are convinced there isn't a god and that you can't comprehend why someone else would feel any different... and we accept your life choice and have no need to change you... (except if we could just turn the volume knob down a little lol ) ... plus... you've found your way on here so you can't be some kind of egg-headed puritanical square... so lets all cuddle our free thinking questioners of convention and accept their difference.

Everyone else : You know who you are... get in here for a big fat group hug you gorgeous big teddy bears

After all... if we were all in an orgy we'd be fine with each other... right? Or is it a case of "don't mention religion when swinging" being a new cardinal rule of swinging lol "

I think you've done an excellent job personally. I'm sick of the name calling & belittling regarding religion on here.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"Have I missed something?

Theists proselytise.

Atheists proselytise.

Agnostics tend to keep schtum.

I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex but the only religious talk has been "Oh God! Yes!" and it doesn't seem to matter whether the cry comes from someone with faith or someone of no faith.

I will join in a group hug but I'm not big enough to be on the outside edges.

"I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex..."

Really? Convo's during sex? Blimey!

Yes Sometimes the man I'm with will shove something in my mouth if he's losing the argument. "

His ice-cream roll?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in facts and science.

Does that make me a Scientologist

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

The Forest

If this was a thread criticizing Islam, it would have probably been closed by now. At least the OP is willing to discuss his/her beliefs with equanimity, which is worthy of some respect. Not a lot, but some

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"*Yawns*"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We respect your right to be wrong.

See that's just insulting and I could say it back. Can't we move towards something more tolerant like I put i.e. we understand that, for you, you are right. It seems crazy that we can't all do that?!?

I'm sorry for the volume knob joke but it was a light hearted dig with a "lol", nothing too offensive, and I am getting tired of the religion-bashing on here. Do people really genuinely want religious people to leave this site?

No. I want them to stop banging on about religion, demanding those who don't believe explain and justify their choice and thinking it's ok to make digs when claiming to be offering an olive branch.

Seriously, if there is an all-powerful God and if he cared that we all believe in Him/Her/It, he/she/it'd make sure we were left in no doubt.

I haven't been informed of the error of my ways by God, so why do you feel that you need to? If he exists, he's apparently happy for me to have the beliefs I have. Why do you disagree with him?"

Dee Viante... I respect your truth and I don't want to change you. I might enquire as to why you believe the things you do... and I might disagree... and even think they are logically mistaken... but I'm quite happy for you to carry on believing what you believe and I understand that for you it is the truth.

I have a lot of sympathies for atheism. I like the way it is holding the Faiths to account and causing them to test their convictions. There is a place for everything and I don't need you to "discover god". So please stop projecting this stuff on me... and I would say on all the other theists in here... as we're all sexual deviants so it's not like we're members of the clergy or the pope or anything... we're all pretty chilled cool cats if you try and look past our beliefs or lack of beliefs

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

The Forest


"*Yawns*

"

Fell free to just not post at all if you don't like the subject. All is does is reduce the amount of posts that are able to be made by those who are interested. And yes, I do realise the irony of this particular post.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Have I missed something?

Theists proselytise.

Atheists proselytise.

Agnostics tend to keep schtum.

I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex but the only religious talk has been "Oh God! Yes!" and it doesn't seem to matter whether the cry comes from someone with faith or someone of no faith.

I will join in a group hug but I'm not big enough to be on the outside edges.

"I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex..."

Really? Convo's during sex? Blimey!

Yes Sometimes the man I'm with will shove something in my mouth if he's losing the argument.

His ice-cream roll? "

Usually hotter, more like a sausage roll (some with a soggy bottom).

I still don't know what my position is on the whole group hug question.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Unbelievable. Almost all the remarks are from atheists keen to jump down my throat. I haven't proselytized... I haven't said anyone's mistaken. I've recognized everyone's truth and asked that we try and be more tolerant of each other.

Faith-based thesist : I respect your truth

Non-faith-based theists and spiritual types : I respect your truth

Atheists : I respect your truth

Eveyone else : I respect your truth

Lets all have a group hug...

...but oh no... somehow that's just a vile and offensive comment Do you want me on my hands and knees before an atheist inquisition renouncing my beliefs? Or are you really saying that you can't rise above your intellectual differences and respect our common humanity and the fact that we are all cool cat open-minded swingers?

What does an atheist olive branch even look like if I haven't myself just expressed it?

And you wonder why I made the volume joke?"

You started it with the volume joke. Don't play the victim now.

You intentionally needled people whilst trying to pretend it's a "let's all get along" thing.

Bullshit.

When you actually accept that others are entitled not to believe in your God and that they don't have to explain themselves, and can express it without making "light hearted" digs, you may find fewer people take issue with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shall we move on? The Royal Family perhaps always good for a debate!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"*Yawns*

Fell free to just not post at all if you don't like the subject. All is does is reduce the amount of posts that are able to be made by those who are interested. And yes, I do realise the irony of this particular post."

feel free to tell me what to do, but i shall do as i please..if that's a religion..then im in ..and im very interested at being unconcerned ..and we can fight all day, but at the end of the day, when we are dead, there will be silence in the room, and no one will miss the noise or give a shit.xx enjoy living..i do, mine works for me..

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?"

Glutton-free cake?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?"

I think that's the Bake Off thread.

No one wants to hug me. I think it's because I'm a sinner.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"We respect your right to be wrong.

See that's just insulting and I could say it back. Can't we move towards something more tolerant like I put i.e. we understand that, for you, you are right. It seems crazy that we can't all do that?!?

I'm sorry for the volume knob joke but it was a light hearted dig with a "lol", nothing too offensive, and I am getting tired of the religion-bashing on here. Do people really genuinely want religious people to leave this site?

No. I want them to stop banging on about religion, demanding those who don't believe explain and justify their choice and thinking it's ok to make digs when claiming to be offering an olive branch.

Seriously, if there is an all-powerful God and if he cared that we all believe in Him/Her/It, he/she/it'd make sure we were left in no doubt.

I haven't been informed of the error of my ways by God, so why do you feel that you need to? If he exists, he's apparently happy for me to have the beliefs I have. Why do you disagree with him?

Dee Viante... I respect your truth and I don't want to change you. I might enquire as to why you believe the things you do... and I might disagree... and even think they are logically mistaken... but I'm quite happy for you to carry on believing what you believe and I understand that for you it is the truth.

I have a lot of sympathies for atheism. I like the way it is holding the Faiths to account and causing them to test their convictions. There is a place for everything and I don't need you to "discover god". So please stop projecting this stuff on me... and I would say on all the other theists in here... as we're all sexual deviants so it's not like we're members of the clergy or the pope or anything... we're all pretty chilled cool cats if you try and look past our beliefs or lack of beliefs"

Marvellous.

I'm fine with you believing in God. You allege you are fine with me not believing.

If you stop making digs at those that don't share your beliefs and turn your own volume down, peace may be restored.

If you accept others, as you are trying to claim, don't make digs. If you do, don't be surprised if you don't get a good reaction.

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"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?"

how about non-denominational apples instead?

Or did I just start another fight...

-Courtney

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?

Glutton-free cake? "

yes that too..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?

I think that's the Bake Off thread.

No one wants to hug me. I think it's because I'm a sinner.

"

it does beg the very pressing question; is arctic roll really a cake..?

as a lapsed catlic i am also a sinner so i will hug you if you hug me..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is Jeremy Corbyn the new Jesus...........he has the initials?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?

Glutton-free cake?

yes that too.. "

As long as it's not seminal cake.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?

how about non-denominational apples instead?

Or did I just start another fight...

-Courtney"

we should have apples from every continent..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?

I think that's the Bake Off thread.

No one wants to hug me. I think it's because I'm a sinner.

it does beg the very pressing question; is arctic roll really a cake..?

as a lapsed catlic i am also a sinner so i will hug you if you hug me.."

Can we move around as we hug?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?

how about non-denominational apples instead?

Or did I just start another fight...

-Courtney

we should have apples from every continent.."

I like it. We can have apples from every continent and non-denominational cake. They can exist together, simultaneously.

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?"

I'm accepting anyone who's willing to step back, put down their pitch forks and just hug and make up. And there is Alllllllllways cake at the end of it all

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?

I think that's the Bake Off thread.

No one wants to hug me. I think it's because I'm a sinner.

it does beg the very pressing question; is arctic roll really a cake..?

as a lapsed catlic i am also a sinner so i will hug you if you hug me..

Can we move around as we hug?

"

not sure as technically it would then be a dance and don't wish to step on anyone's toes just in case there is a dance thread running too..

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?

Glutton-free cake?

yes that too..

As long as it's not seminal cake. "

No crossembouche either!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?

how about non-denominational apples instead?

Or did I just start another fight...

-Courtney

we should have apples from every continent..

I like it. We can have apples from every continent and non-denominational cake. They can exist together, simultaneously.

-Courtney"

we will all be too busy hugging and scoffing cake and fruit to worry about other stuff..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Will there be none denominational cake at the hug in?

Glutton-free cake?

yes that too..

As long as it's not seminal cake.

No crossembouche either! "

I don't know what that is. You've put me in a different division and I don't know if I'm getting cake with my hug now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I once was sat getting pissed with a priest in the pub.

Apparently who had been told he needed to get to know the community

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So really alcohol is

the unifier of people

The breaker of walls

The path of acceptance

The friend of my friend

Sadly I can't drink anymore so fuck everyone

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I once was sat getting pissed with a priest in the pub.

Apparently who had been told he needed to get to know the community

"

Hasn't everyone sat in a pub getting pissed with a priest?

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Have I missed something?

Theists proselytise.

Atheists proselytise.

Agnostics tend to keep schtum.

I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex but the only religious talk has been "Oh God! Yes!" and it doesn't seem to matter whether the cry comes from someone with faith or someone of no faith.

I will join in a group hug but I'm not big enough to be on the outside edges.

"I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex..."

Really? Convo's during sex? Blimey!

Yes Sometimes the man I'm with will shove something in my mouth if he's losing the argument. "

Oh, so he tries to force his beliefs down your throat then? Not very civilised, tut!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I once was sat getting pissed with a priest in the pub.

Apparently who had been told he needed to get to know the community

Hasn't everyone sat in a pub getting pissed with a priest?

"

No. I wasn't drinking because I had to drive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So really alcohol is

the unifier of people

The breaker of walls

The path of acceptance

The friend of my friend

Sadly I can't drink anymore so fuck everyone "

Want an apple instead? They are unifying. You can pick from any continent. Expect Antarctica, I think

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*except even

Forgive me, I've had too much to drink

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

lol I guess the answer is no. I had hoped this would be the thread where we each lined up and said we respect each other's truth... kiss and made up. I guess there is more intolerance on this forum than I had thought

Everyone is free to question each other's beliefs. And I have had some great exchanges with people from all walks of life on here... so I don't feel anyone needs to censor themselves. But some of the recent exchanges just seem so insulting and angry. That was why I wrote this thread. If you are an atheist and you feel you've been insulted by religious people on these forums then obviously that's wrong too... but I just haven't seen any of that stuff myself so I apologise for my ignorance on that issue.

Some of Joe's comments on this thread are just unwarrantedly vicious... and from a burner?!? It's really difficult to imagine how he's got himself so worked up and angry about this that he feels he needs to be so aggressive. We've had some arguments over the past few weeks... and I am willing to accept some of the blame... but I've managed to let it go and move on. Please people... try and do the same... this isn't a computer game you know... these are real people with real feelings... and we've got more in common than you might think

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Have I missed something?

Theists proselytise.

Atheists proselytise.

Agnostics tend to keep schtum.

I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex but the only religious talk has been "Oh God! Yes!" and it doesn't seem to matter whether the cry comes from someone with faith or someone of no faith.

I will join in a group hug but I'm not big enough to be on the outside edges.

"I've had conversations about politics, race and sexism when having sex..."

Really? Convo's during sex? Blimey!

Yes Sometimes the man I'm with will shove something in my mouth if he's losing the argument.

His ice-cream roll?

Usually hotter, more like a sausage roll (some with a soggy bottom).

I still don't know what my position is on the whole group hug question.

"

Well, the small ones will be in the middle, cos they got shorter arms, and those with a longer reach will be around the outside, unless the group gets too big, in which case they might have to join hands... erm, unless that's too much like communism, you know, the greater good and all that... uhm.... maybe I shouldn't have said the "C" word... has this gone all pseudo-political now?

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over a year ago


"lol I guess the answer is no. I had hoped this would be the thread where we each lined up and said we respect each other's truth... kiss and made up. I guess there is more intolerance on this forum than I had thought

Everyone is free to question each other's beliefs. And I have had some great exchanges with people from all walks of life on here... so I don't feel anyone needs to censor themselves. But some of the recent exchanges just seem so insulting and angry. That was why I wrote this thread. If you are an atheist and you feel you've been insulted by religious people on these forums then obviously that's wrong too... but I just haven't seen any of that stuff myself so I apologise for my ignorance on that issue.

Some of Joe's comments on this thread are just unwarrantedly vicious... and from a burner?!? It's really difficult to imagine how he's got himself so worked up and angry about this that he feels he needs to be so aggressive. We've had some arguments over the past few weeks... and I am willing to accept some of the blame... but I've managed to let it go and move on. Please people... try and do the same... this isn't a computer game you know... these are real people with real feelings... and we've got more in common than you might think "

Ummmm...I think cake and alcohol is the forums way of making up and getting along. So, I think your thread was working. What's the issue?

There was a bit of a bump there at the beginning because of the way you worded your OP (which was, in my opinion, unnecessarily catty), but everyone moved on, no?

Now, would you like a cake or an apple?

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So really alcohol is

the unifier of people

The breaker of walls

The path of acceptance

The friend of my friend

Sadly I can't drink anymore so fuck everyone

Want an apple instead? They are unifying. You can pick from any continent. Expect Antarctica, I think

-Courtney"

Unifying when you squash them and let them ferment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religion is the root of all evil !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a Catholic, and you're all going to hell.

(I'll see you there.)

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Religion is the root of all evil !!"

its not, its people's manipulation of bits of some of each of them..

etc etc..

now would you like a hug, some cake or an apple..?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I'm a Catholic, and you're all going to hell.

(I'll see you there.)"

as a fellow catlic, albeit lapsed since 1970 may i say you have magnificent breasts..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I learned long ago, that if I wanted to avoid an argument, I shouldn't mention religion, politics, or which way sandwiches should be cut (seriously, just don't!) in here! "

Remember the good old days when people got worked up over spelling and bareback?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Ummmm...I think cake and alcohol is the forums way of making up and getting along. So, I think your thread was working. What's the issue?

There was a bit of a bump there at the beginning because of the way you worded your OP (which was, in my opinion, unnecessarily catty), but everyone moved on, no?

Now, would you like a cake or an apple?

-Courtney"

I apologise... I really genuinely was trying to come from a good place. But I was hoping for more than merely ignoring the issue. I was hoping for some expressinos of tolerance. But seeing as people didn't think I was expressing tolerance myself... I guess that's why it all went Pete Tong.

Besides that... I'm a cake man every day

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


" I guess there is more intolerance on this forum than I had thought"

Oh do give it a rest. You're the one that decided to continue with stupid digs.

Acting all wounded and spouting about intolerance now is pathetic.

Don't want religious disagreements? Don't make digs at those who believe differently to you.

Grow some balls and take some responsibility. You made the dig to needle people to get a response. Congratulations, it worked.

Crying now because everyone is so mean and intolerant of you is pathetic. You started the thread. You made the dig.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"I learned long ago, that if I wanted to avoid an argument, I shouldn't mention religion, politics, or which way sandwiches should be cut (seriously, just don't!) in here!

Remember the good old days when people got worked up over spelling and bareback? "

Ah yes, the good old days!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a Catholic, and you're all going to hell.

(I'll see you there.)

as a fellow catlic, albeit lapsed since 1970 may i say you have magnificent breasts..?"

You may, but I think it's a cardinal sin.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I'm a Catholic, and you're all going to hell.

(I'll see you there.)

as a fellow catlic, albeit lapsed since 1970 may i say you have magnificent breasts..?

You may, but I think it's a cardinal sin."

from this distance its a visual thing so unless someone snitches it will be fine..

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By *nFairnessMan
over a year ago

The Four Corners


"I learned long ago, that if I wanted to avoid an argument, I shouldn't mention religion, politics, or which way sandwiches should be cut (seriously, just don't!) in here!

Remember the good old days when people got worked up over spelling and bareback?

Ah yes, the good old days! "

i find triangles taste the best... 4 triangles even better but they don't seem to last as long :/

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Ummmm...I think cake and alcohol is the forums way of making up and getting along. So, I think your thread was working. What's the issue?

There was a bit of a bump there at the beginning because of the way you worded your OP (which was, in my opinion, unnecessarily catty), but everyone moved on, no?

Now, would you like a cake or an apple?

-Courtney

I apologise... I really genuinely was trying to come from a good place. But I was hoping for more than merely ignoring the issue. I was hoping for some expressinos of tolerance. But seeing as people didn't think I was expressing tolerance myself... I guess that's why it all went Pete Tong.

Besides that... I'm a cake man every day"

Hurrah! That's exactly it.

Your post didn't come across as at all tolerant and was, I agree, unnecessarily catty.

I'm not interested in arguing about it further unless you choose to do so. The ball is in your court.

(Incidentally, please note I didn't get involved in the debate about what proof atheists are looking for. However, I too am tired of the arguments over religion and the tone of the first post was the last straw).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I guess there is more intolerance on this forum than I had thought

Oh do give it a rest. You're the one that decided to continue with stupid digs.

Acting all wounded and spouting about intolerance now is pathetic.

Don't want religious disagreements? Don't make digs at those who believe differently to you.

Grow some balls and take some responsibility. You made the dig to needle people to get a response. Congratulations, it worked.

Crying now because everyone is so mean and intolerant of you is pathetic. You started the thread. You made the dig."

I really do think you are being a bit harsh here. The opening post was lacking a bit of tact, but the OP has been open minded since then. No need for such harsh words in response, really.

I can see what the OP was going for. Can't you, even a little? I'm an atheist too, and it isn't that hard for me to get over the bit of snark in the beginning.

Surely we can understand why religion is important to some people. Just as they can understand why atheism is important to us?

Can we let one little slip at the beginning rest? Please?

Now, cake, apple, or alcohol?

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I learned long ago, that if I wanted to avoid an argument, I shouldn't mention religion, politics, or which way sandwiches should be cut (seriously, just don't!) in here!

Remember the good old days when people got worked up over spelling and bareback?

Ah yes, the good old days!

i find triangles taste the best... 4 triangles even better but they don't seem to last as long :/ "

Heathen! You cut it in half and leave it at that.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


" I guess there is more intolerance on this forum than I had thought

Oh do give it a rest. You're the one that decided to continue with stupid digs.

Acting all wounded and spouting about intolerance now is pathetic.

Don't want religious disagreements? Don't make digs at those who believe differently to you.

Grow some balls and take some responsibility. You made the dig to needle people to get a response. Congratulations, it worked.

Crying now because everyone is so mean and intolerant of you is pathetic. You started the thread. You made the dig.

I really do think you are being a bit harsh here. The opening post was lacking a bit of tact, but the OP has been open minded since then. No need for such harsh words in response, really.

I can see what the OP was going for. Can't you, even a little? I'm an atheist too, and it isn't that hard for me to get over the bit of snark in the beginning.

Surely we can understand why religion is important to some people. Just as they can understand why atheism is important to us?

Can we let one little slip at the beginning rest? Please?

Now, cake, apple, or alcohol?

-Courtney"

I found some of the OPs subsequent responses unreasonable too, (such as labelling those who objected to the dig in the OP "intolerant") However, I'd be absolutely delighted if we could all shut the heck up about religion.

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over a year ago

It's almost the end of the school holidays, most of haven't had (kinky) sex for 6 weeks, this is a bad time to be debating maybe?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Oh and I can't have cakes, apples or alcohol

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over a year ago


"Oh and I can't have cakes, apples or alcohol "

My god! That sounds like hell. What can you have? We'll get some of that.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI


"I learned long ago, that if I wanted to avoid an argument, I shouldn't mention religion, politics, or which way sandwiches should be cut (seriously, just don't!) in here!

Remember the good old days when people got worked up over spelling and bareback?

Ah yes, the good old days!

i find triangles taste the best... 4 triangles even better but they don't seem to last as long :/

Heathen! You cut it in half and leave it at that. "

I just eat them without cutting. Does that make me a piggy?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Oh and I can't have cakes, apples or alcohol

My god! That sounds like hell. What can you have? We'll get some of that. "

Nothing with sugar in, even natural fructose. No bread, no pastry, no refined carbs.

I hate diets.

I can, however, have bacon (in moderation) and I can still have coffee, so all is not quite lost.

My current diet is pretty uninspiring though.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I'm a Catholic, and you're all going to hell.

(I'll see you there.)

as a fellow catlic, albeit lapsed since 1970 may i say you have magnificent breasts..?

You may, but I think it's a cardinal sin.

from this distance its a visual thing so unless someone snitches it will be fine.."

Sins of thought are just as bad... I know you are having wicked thoughts.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Thanks Courtney for being such a wonderful peace maker

I do hope people realise that I don't belong to any Faith and am quite set against some of them... so the section on Faith-based theists was actually me trying to be kind to people that I disagree with quite deeply. I can see how, if you assumed I belonged to a Faith, it could've been read as overly glowing. That was me overcompensating for my internal bias... apologies if I didn't do that so well when it came to my comments on atheists. Hopefully some of my remarks since, conveying my appreciation of their truth seeking efforts and their holding the Faiths to account, have helped rectify that. I think that is a noble effort...but, just like proselytizing a Faith on here, I suspect that Fab isn't the most productive place to try and change society in your favour... we're all pretty wonky and unusual as it is

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over a year ago


"Oh and I can't have cakes, apples or alcohol

My god! That sounds like hell. What can you have? We'll get some of that.

Nothing with sugar in, even natural fructose. No bread, no pastry, no refined carbs.

I hate diets.

I can, however, have bacon (in moderation) and I can still have coffee, so all is not quite lost.

My current diet is pretty uninspiring though.

"

Well I'm a veggie, so scratch the bacon, but I'll make you some coffee and have a cup myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is an OMG an appropriate response.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's almost the end of the school holidays, most of haven't had (kinky) sex for 6 weeks, this is a bad time to be debating maybe?"

lol I think you've just hit the nail on the head.

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over a year ago


"It's almost the end of the school holidays, most of haven't had (kinky) sex for 6 weeks, this is a bad time to be debating maybe?

lol I think you've just hit the nail on the head."

Surprised i've kept my cool for so long now lol. I just stop talking to people when they piss me off though.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Is an OMG an appropriate response.....

"

That's one of the responses to sexual pleasure that I've heard.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Oh and I can't have cakes, apples or alcohol

My god! That sounds like hell. What can you have? We'll get some of that.

Nothing with sugar in, even natural fructose. No bread, no pastry, no refined carbs.

I hate diets.

I can, however, have bacon (in moderation) and I can still have coffee, so all is not quite lost.

My current diet is pretty uninspiring though.

Well I'm a veggie, so scratch the bacon, but I'll make you some coffee and have a cup myself. "

Looks like it's stir-fried veggies for me then.

Good job I'm not meeting since I put garlic butter on them!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"lol I guess the answer is no. I had hoped this would be the thread where we each lined up and said we respect each other's truth... kiss and made up. I guess there is more intolerance on this forum than I had thought

Everyone is free to question each other's beliefs. And I have had some great exchanges with people from all walks of life on here... so I don't feel anyone needs to censor themselves. But some of the recent exchanges just seem so insulting and angry. That was why I wrote this thread. If you are an atheist and you feel you've been insulted by religious people on these forums then obviously that's wrong too... but I just haven't seen any of that stuff myself so I apologise for my ignorance on that issue.

Some of Joe's comments on this thread are just unwarrantedly vicious... and from a burner?!? It's really difficult to imagine how he's got himself so worked up and angry about this that he feels he needs to be so aggressive. We've had some arguments over the past few weeks... and I am willing to accept some of the blame... but I've managed to let it go and move on. Please people... try and do the same... this isn't a computer game you know... these are real people with real feelings... and we've got more in common than you might think "

We could be living in a computer game though, open your mind and consider it. Are we living in the Matrix?

There are some very interesting videos on youtube about this theory.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We could be living in a computer game though, open your mind and consider it. Are we living in the Matrix?

There are some very interesting videos on youtube about this theory. "

Not too sure about the computer game bit... but I'm genuinely agnostic as to whether the material universe exists or not... does that count?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"We could be living in a computer game though, open your mind and consider it. Are we living in the Matrix?

There are some very interesting videos on youtube about this theory.

Not too sure about the computer game bit... but I'm genuinely agnostic as to whether the material universe exists or not... does that count? "

On the right track, the material universe could be the "hardware" like a computer and our consciousness or mind is the "software" that is plugged in? Not saying I believe it but it's just one of many different alternative possibilities. Now how about a Matrix style emoticon wearing shades.

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over a year ago

I like what this guys says. Listened to this loads of times for no reason really, well the background music is good as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KcPNiworbo

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over a year ago


"I like what this guys says. Listened to this loads of times for no reason really, well the background music is good as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KcPNiworbo"

lol I think you just trashed my head with the scientific equivalent of a whacky conspiracy theory... it's like a collage of theories, conjecture, probabilities, and connecting the dots. Some people shouldn't be allowed near science books lol

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over a year ago


"I like what this guys says. Listened to this loads of times for no reason really, well the background music is good as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KcPNiworbo

lol I think you just trashed my head with the scientific equivalent of a whacky conspiracy theory... it's like a collage of theories, conjecture, probabilities, and connecting the dots. Some people shouldn't be allowed near science books lol "

He's talking about some good ideas though. I don't actually think it makes much difference what reality is because we're living it right now anyway, but it's interesting to think of the possibilities out there.

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over a year ago


"I like what this guys says. Listened to this loads of times for no reason really, well the background music is good as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KcPNiworbo

lol I think you just trashed my head with the scientific equivalent of a whacky conspiracy theory... it's like a collage of theories, conjecture, probabilities, and connecting the dots. Some people shouldn't be allowed near science books lol

He's talking about some good ideas though. I don't actually think it makes much difference what reality is because we're living it right now anyway, but it's interesting to think of the possibilities out there."

The worry I have is that we're entering an era where people are copying and pasting scientific theories and wild conjecture over the top of one another in order to claim crazy stuff. It ends up confusing people as to what is actually credible science and what is just some scientist coming up with some silly conjecture. I mean theories need some sort of evidence for them right? Yet I can't imagine that anything in this video has evidence for it... it's just conjecture. I think some people lose sight of the difference between the two... just because a scientist says it they put it all in the same box. Just because it's science doesn't mean it isn't complete bullcrap. And then... what if we all start thinking that everything scientists are on about is rubbish. I think the discipline risks losing a lot of credibility if it lets this kind of thinking take over... and it seems these days more and more of it is being churned out.

Apart from that lol yes I agree. I used to think the difference between the material universe existing or it being an illusion was like chalk and cheese... but now I'm beginning to sense that mechanistic concrete materialism is really just a modern day fallacy anyway... real science leans more towards the universe being something like a projection in 3d space... and when you try to get your head around that, the question of whether it is an illusion or not seems to be more like two ways of looking at the same thing

I hope some of that lot made sense lol... its getting late

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

Why on earth do you think people on here are open minded?

Have you not read the forums?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We respect your right to be wrong.

See that's just insulting and I could say it back. Can't we move towards something more tolerant like I put i.e. we understand that, for you, you are right. It seems crazy that we can't all do that?!?

I'm sorry for the volume knob joke but it was a light hearted dig with a "lol", nothing too offensive, and I am getting tired of the religion-bashing on here. Do people really genuinely want religious people to leave this site? interestingly should "religious" people be on this site?

Everyone has the right to be here if it conflicts with their relgion its their problem x is conflict the same as hypocrisy ?"

Maybe if its against their religion but like i say their problem their choice..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I'm a Catholic, and you're all going to hell.

(I'll see you there.)

as a fellow catlic, albeit lapsed since 1970 may i say you have magnificent breasts..?

You may, but I think it's a cardinal sin.

from this distance its a visual thing so unless someone snitches it will be fine..

Sins of thought are just as bad... I know you are having wicked thoughts.

"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The following is, I guess, my own way of finding closure. I know that some people may not be ready to hear it so I am really writing it to those who are.

When someone admits to believing in a god or, when criticised, they react to those criticisms... they are not trying to push their religious views upon you. They are simply confessing to and defending their own. I can only recall one member coming on here and trying to condemn us all as sinners, and I was one of the voices of dissent against them. I, like non-believers, am irked by the superiority that some in the Faiths assume other overs and the way they try to push their views on you... but I genuinely haven't seen much of that going on here and if I did I would be outspoken against it. If you have noticed this going on then perhaps you could PM me links to the threads so that I can understand your discontent over this issue.

If someone asked you who you voted for, you replied green, then they attacked all greens, and you tried to defend the green movement... you can perhaps comprehend how being accused of trying to promote and proselytize the green party might be both infuriating and isulting.

Criticism of the Faiths is acceptable and much needed, if only to hold them to account. But, as with all other areas of life, try and keep your criticisms focussed upon the subject rather than the person you are arguing with.

"You believe in X, therefore you're a fool" is obviously a personal insult

"People who believe in X are fools" is not really any better as it still targets the other person

"I believe X is wrong and this is why..." is, of course, the best way forward

I would also advise that the assertion "you believe in X,Y,Z" should always be preceded by the question "do you believe in X,Y,Z?"

People are prone to making extreme statements like "religion is evil" where they might not elsewhere "jeremy corbyn is evil". Whilst this is ok to do... don't expect to be taken seriously.

The difficulty comes in that mainstream contemporary Atheism (Dawkins, etc) defines itself by a set of rational arguments as to why there isn't a god. Thus, to atheists, it is simply a matter of educating theists. The trouble with this is that it evokes exactly the same air of superiority that is displayed by people in the Faiths who think they're superior to others.

What's more, there appears to be incredulity to the idea that someone may have immersed themselves in those arguments and still found them unconvincing. As most of these arguments really only apply to the Judeo-Christian Faiths, and as a theist might belong to any number of other Faiths or, like me, not, there could be any number of reasons why these arguments simply don't work for people.

As with all areas of life... if someone claims to have read all the arguments... or asked you for all yours... and still not been moved to change their views... it is polite to agree to disagree... not to assert that you have won and they have lost... or to agree that they are wrong and you are right. Again, this attempt to assert your own correctness on the debate, and to insist no less, comes across as superior and insulting.

Finally, I would ask for some empathy. For theists, belief in a god is not an option, just as believing in the existence of my local tescos isn't. Whilst this is not how atheists see things, they should be aware that, to the person they are arguing with, they are berating them for something out of their control. I can't help it if god exists... and I can't change the situation either. I didn't have a religious upbringing and I didn't believe in a god before I had my first god experience. My family persecuted me for being religious, just as some atheists on here have described their families persecuting them for not being. So I ask for some tolerance to my situation.

I have chaired debates between theists, spiritual types, and atheists, and I have made friends with each. I think because we're all anonymous here there is a tendency to attack each other as if we were playing a computer game. It may be funny to those who agree with you. But it isn't kind. So please do... argue over religon and politics... its always fun and there are always interesting things said... but please try and make sure you criticise the subject and not the people talking about it. You can disagree with someone and still win their respect and friendship... and heck knows... it could even go a whole lot further than that on here lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I didn't believe in a god before I had my first god experience. My family persecuted me for being religious,"


"I do hope people realise that I don't belong to any Faith"

Keep it together pal, your contradicting yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and please don't respond to me, I'am sick of this God activity

Follow what you preach and allow people to get along regardless of religion by letting it go

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over a year ago


"I like what this guys says. Listened to this loads of times for no reason really, well the background music is good as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KcPNiworbo

lol I think you just trashed my head with the scientific equivalent of a whacky conspiracy theory... it's like a collage of theories, conjecture, probabilities, and connecting the dots. Some people shouldn't be allowed near science books lol

He's talking about some good ideas though. I don't actually think it makes much difference what reality is because we're living it right now anyway, but it's interesting to think of the possibilities out there.

The worry I have is that we're entering an era where people are copying and pasting scientific theories and wild conjecture over the top of one another in order to claim crazy stuff. It ends up confusing people as to what is actually credible science and what is just some scientist coming up with some silly conjecture. I mean theories need some sort of evidence for them right? Yet I can't imagine that anything in this video has evidence for it... it's just conjecture. I think some people lose sight of the difference between the two... just because a scientist says it they put it all in the same box. Just because it's science doesn't mean it isn't complete bullcrap. And then... what if we all start thinking that everything scientists are on about is rubbish. I think the discipline risks losing a lot of credibility if it lets this kind of thinking take over... and it seems these days more and more of it is being churned out.

Apart from that lol yes I agree. I used to think the difference between the material universe existing or it being an illusion was like chalk and cheese... but now I'm beginning to sense that mechanistic concrete materialism is really just a modern day fallacy anyway... real science leans more towards the universe being something like a projection in 3d space... and when you try to get your head around that, the question of whether it is an illusion or not seems to be more like two ways of looking at the same thing

I hope some of that lot made sense lol... its getting late "

Depends on your way of thinking i guess?

We only have a certain amount of observational skills so far, so many things are possible but we cannot confirm them because we don't know they exist. The higgs boson totally makes sense because of HOW things work but we have no solid evidence of it yet.

We don't even know WHAT gravity is excactly, we just know it's there, things like is how you have to think sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I didn't believe in a god before I had my first god experience. My family persecuted me for being religious,

I do hope people realise that I don't belong to any Faith

Keep it together pal, your contradicting yourself "

You can be religious without belonging to a Faith. Not responding to you... just letting others know why I said those two things

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Depends on your way of thinking i guess?

We only have a certain amount of observational skills so far, so many things are possible but we cannot confirm them because we don't know they exist. The higgs boson totally makes sense because of HOW things work but we have no solid evidence of it yet.

We don't even know WHAT gravity is excactly, we just know it's there, things like is how you have to think sometimes."

Yes I agree. For me it's a bit like horror fiction. Once upon a time you could make up all sorts of weird and whacky monsters... but then along came "vampires" and "werewolves" and all of a sudden genres formed and now we can't seem to break out of them. Weird things happen and people talk of "ghosts"... strange things are seen in the sky and suddenly its "ufos". It's almost like the human mind gravitates towards a certain granularity of thought... discrete concepts that we can feel happy knowing what they are... and the same is happening to science too.

It used to be that we observed reality and extrapolated hypotheses and then tested our hypotheses. This is still going on... but more and more... we see people accepting the existence of "gravity" and "dark matter"... when actually they are just theories that pertain to observational phenomena. Just the sheer level of complexity and the addition of computational power beyond our ability to process... is leading us towards a science that we don't really understand but is really only founded upon other science. That doesn't mean its wrong... but I worry that it's blurring the boundary with pseudo-science

I guess all I'm saying is that it's often good to step back from it all and get back to the very basics... what do we see? why does that happen? and let our minds happen upon new ways of thinking about it all

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"Depends on your way of thinking i guess?

We only have a certain amount of observational skills so far, so many things are possible but we cannot confirm them because we don't know they exist. The higgs boson totally makes sense because of HOW things work but we have no solid evidence of it yet.

We don't even know WHAT gravity is excactly, we just know it's there, things like is how you have to think sometimes.

Yes I agree. For me it's a bit like horror fiction. Once upon a time you could make up all sorts of weird and whacky monsters... but then along came "vampires" and "werewolves" and all of a sudden genres formed and now we can't seem to break out of them. Weird things happen and people talk of "ghosts"... strange things are seen in the sky and suddenly its "ufos". It's almost like the human mind gravitates towards a certain granularity of thought... discrete concepts that we can feel happy knowing what they are... and the same is happening to science too.

It used to be that we observed reality and extrapolated hypotheses and then tested our hypotheses. This is still going on... but more and more... we see people accepting the existence of "gravity" and "dark matter"... when actually they are just theories that pertain to observational phenomena. Just the sheer level of complexity and the addition of computational power beyond our ability to process... is leading us towards a science that we don't really understand but is really only founded upon other science. That doesn't mean its wrong... but I worry that it's blurring the boundary with pseudo-science

I guess all I'm saying is that it's often good to step back from it all and get back to the very basics... what do we see? why does that happen? and let our minds happen upon new ways of thinking about it all "

I personally do see the point in discovering some of it, finding the higgs boson would be useful definitely. But knowing exactly what we're living in, i'm not sure if that's as important.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Depends on your way of thinking i guess?

We only have a certain amount of observational skills so far, so many things are possible but we cannot confirm them because we don't know they exist. The higgs boson totally makes sense because of HOW things work but we have no solid evidence of it yet.

We don't even know WHAT gravity is excactly, we just know it's there, things like is how you have to think sometimes.

Yes I agree. For me it's a bit like horror fiction. Once upon a time you could make up all sorts of weird and whacky monsters... but then along came "vampires" and "werewolves" and all of a sudden genres formed and now we can't seem to break out of them. Weird things happen and people talk of "ghosts"... strange things are seen in the sky and suddenly its "ufos". It's almost like the human mind gravitates towards a certain granularity of thought... discrete concepts that we can feel happy knowing what they are... and the same is happening to science too.

It used to be that we observed reality and extrapolated hypotheses and then tested our hypotheses. This is still going on... but more and more... we see people accepting the existence of "gravity" and "dark matter"... when actually they are just theories that pertain to observational phenomena. Just the sheer level of complexity and the addition of computational power beyond our ability to process... is leading us towards a science that we don't really understand but is really only founded upon other science. That doesn't mean its wrong... but I worry that it's blurring the boundary with pseudo-science

I guess all I'm saying is that it's often good to step back from it all and get back to the very basics... what do we see? why does that happen? and let our minds happen upon new ways of thinking about it all "

Irrationality!

All is lost.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I personally do see the point in discovering some of it, finding the higgs boson would be useful definitely. But knowing exactly what we're living in, i'm not sure if that's as important."

I tend to lean the other way. How can you describe something if you don't know what it is? As for discovering "it" that all depends on whether "it" exists. For example dark matter might not exist... it might only be errors in the cosmological model we're using. The higgs boson might be the same. We sift through data for millions of reactions to a collision... looking for the higgs boson... discarding the rest as irrelevent. Once we find it we say we have discovered the higgs boson... when in fact we may have just happened across one random result among millions that looks like a higgs boson. The higgs boson might be as fictional as a unicorn.

I don't think people really grasp the icy escarpment that scientists are trying to blindly fumble their way up. People tend to think if science says its so then its so. But a greater understanding of the disciplne makes you realise the gambles that are going on in many of the more advanced areas of it. I mean someone only needs to come up with a better model of what red shift is... or some new observation comes through with different red shift patterns on it, and the whole of Big Bang theory gets chucked in the bin.... no matter how credible it looked.

This doesn't mean we should abandon science... of course not. It simply warns us that we risk romanticising it into something it isn't... especially when we become dogmatic about what it knows... as it might turn out that it never really "knew" it in the first place

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over a year ago


"I personally do see the point in discovering some of it, finding the higgs boson would be useful definitely. But knowing exactly what we're living in, i'm not sure if that's as important.

I tend to lean the other way. How can you describe something if you don't know what it is? As for discovering "it" that all depends on whether "it" exists. For example dark matter might not exist... it might only be errors in the cosmological model we're using. The higgs boson might be the same. We sift through data for millions of reactions to a collision... looking for the higgs boson... discarding the rest as irrelevent. Once we find it we say we have discovered the higgs boson... when in fact we may have just happened across one random result among millions that looks like a higgs boson. The higgs boson might be as fictional as a unicorn.

I don't think people really grasp the icy escarpment that scientists are trying to blindly fumble their way up. People tend to think if science says its so then its so. But a greater understanding of the disciplne makes you realise the gambles that are going on in many of the more advanced areas of it. I mean someone only needs to come up with a better model of what red shift is... or some new observation comes through with different red shift patterns on it, and the whole of Big Bang theory gets chucked in the bin.... no matter how credible it looked.

This doesn't mean we should abandon science... of course not. It simply warns us that we risk romanticising it into something it isn't... especially when we become dogmatic about what it knows... as it might turn out that it never really "knew" it in the first place "

Yup our best guesses wrapped up in a fancy binder with evocative language....sure enough evidence will appear to disconfirm our latest best guesses

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over a year ago


"I personally do see the point in discovering some of it, finding the higgs boson would be useful definitely. But knowing exactly what we're living in, i'm not sure if that's as important.

I tend to lean the other way. How can you describe something if you don't know what it is? As for discovering "it" that all depends on whether "it" exists. For example dark matter might not exist... it might only be errors in the cosmological model we're using. The higgs boson might be the same. We sift through data for millions of reactions to a collision... looking for the higgs boson... discarding the rest as irrelevent. Once we find it we say we have discovered the higgs boson... when in fact we may have just happened across one random result among millions that looks like a higgs boson. The higgs boson might be as fictional as a unicorn.

I don't think people really grasp the icy escarpment that scientists are trying to blindly fumble their way up. People tend to think if science says its so then its so. But a greater understanding of the disciplne makes you realise the gambles that are going on in many of the more advanced areas of it. I mean someone only needs to come up with a better model of what red shift is... or some new observation comes through with different red shift patterns on it, and the whole of Big Bang theory gets chucked in the bin.... no matter how credible it looked.

This doesn't mean we should abandon science... of course not. It simply warns us that we risk romanticising it into something it isn't... especially when we become dogmatic about what it knows... as it might turn out that it never really "knew" it in the first place "

It makes sense that it's there.

In the same way that we do not know what gravity is exactly, we know that it's there and it does something. The higgs boson field does something too and we know that but we just haven't discovered it yet (probably because we can't observe it).

Just like some people feel God exists but cannot observe him?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"I personally do see the point in discovering some of it, finding the higgs boson would be useful definitely. But knowing exactly what we're living in, i'm not sure if that's as important.

I tend to lean the other way. How can you describe something if you don't know what it is? As for discovering "it" that all depends on whether "it" exists. For example dark matter might not exist... it might only be errors in the cosmological model we're using. The higgs boson might be the same. We sift through data for millions of reactions to a collision... looking for the higgs boson... discarding the rest as irrelevent. Once we find it we say we have discovered the higgs boson... when in fact we may have just happened across one random result among millions that looks like a higgs boson. The higgs boson might be as fictional as a unicorn.

I don't think people really grasp the icy escarpment that scientists are trying to blindly fumble their way up. People tend to think if science says its so then its so. But a greater understanding of the disciplne makes you realise the gambles that are going on in many of the more advanced areas of it. I mean someone only needs to come up with a better model of what red shift is... or some new observation comes through with different red shift patterns on it, and the whole of Big Bang theory gets chucked in the bin.... no matter how credible it looked.

This doesn't mean we should abandon science... of course not. It simply warns us that we risk romanticising it into something it isn't... especially when we become dogmatic about what it knows... as it might turn out that it never really "knew" it in the first place "

Yet another fine example of perpetuating the divisions

It seems I am not an atheist according to your twisted definitions and accusations

I try very hard and usually succeed in NOT attacking a person with ideas I disagree with I prefer to articulate why I feel their belief is unsubstantiated

Here is logic I understand

It is said a creator exists

It is said this creator is sentient

It is said the creator is more intelligent than humans

God is better than humans

God created everything

Parasites like maleria and tb cause huge suffering

I could not create anything knowing it would suffer

If a creator existed then it specifically designed humanity to suffer

The smiles of a million are not worth the suffering of a 3 year old girl and her family

To date no believer, including a Deist like mr passion has been able to rationalise the above

In essence I cannot comprehend that a lifeform with the powers needed to orchestrate everything would needlessly orchestrate that which we see leading to the suffering that we see

There is no physical or philosophical reason that said creator could not orchestrate life without the extreme suffering and that includes carnivorous animals no need

I don't need to believe any of the evolving scientific cosmological theories to hold no belief in any creator concept for me they all blow them selves to bits as oxymoronic concepts

I very much agree , generalising, stereotyping, and name calling gets us nowhere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Taoist has summed it up perfectly

Search Stephen fry on God on YouTube he gives an awesome answer to the question "what would you say at the pearly gates"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Taoist has summed it up perfectly

Search Stephen fry on God on YouTube he gives an awesome answer to the question "what would you say at the pearly gates" "

Seen that, it's truly epic,

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It makes sense that it's there.

In the same way that we do not know what gravity is exactly, we know that it's there and it does something. The higgs boson field does something too and we know that but we just haven't discovered it yet (probably because we can't observe it).

Just like some people feel God exists but cannot observe it?"

I know what you're saying... and that's why we're looking for it And it might "exist", I'm not saying it doesn't... but I tend to see ourselves as within a continual flow of best guesses and that we shouldn't fix too strongly on any one of them. Science is anchored only to philosophy imo So perhaps it is up to philosophy to present a new grasp of what it is we're looking at, rather than for it to chase round after science like it currently is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to throw a curveball into the arena.

The creator/God created everything according to religion. This was before we knew the amount we do about the solar system/universe today.

We manage to fight in the same country over religion.

Imagine if it came to inter planetary religion

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Taoist has summed it up perfectly

Search Stephen fry on God on YouTube he gives an awesome answer to the question "what would you say at the pearly gates" "

Yes a very good overview of the problem of evil. Unfortunately this only argues that god is evil... not that god doesn't exist. We can describe in minute detail how horrible Hitler was... but that isn't an argument that Hitler never existed. We can say "because god exists and god is evil I chose not to pay god any respects". But this is an argument against worship... not against Theism. It is bad logic and can be safely binned if you don't have an emotional attachment to it

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Taoist has summed it up perfectly

Search Stephen fry on God on YouTube he gives an awesome answer to the question "what would you say at the pearly gates"

Yes a very good overview of the problem of evil. Unfortunately this only argues that god is evil... not that god doesn't exist. We can describe in minute detail how horrible Hitler was... but that isn't an argument that Hitler never existed. We can say "because god exists and god is evil I chose not to pay god any respects". But this is an argument against worship... not against Theism. It is bad logic and can be safely binned if you don't have an emotional attachment to it "

Nope that was what Mr fry said ?

And you avoid the point and projected a wrong conclusion

I say I can't understand at all a being with the ability to orchestrate all we experience could be evil

That's why I have no belief

You keep trying to attack science thinking this challenges atheistic thinking mainly by making stuff up

Good science has lots of theories and trys it's hardest to disprove them

Experimentation and logic are used to test ideas

The tests should be repeatable

Mpassion you seemed to accept that the logic to conclude that a god would have to be evil

If you disagree with that point please do so

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

To be honest he lost me when he called Atheists "Puritanical Squares"

I find it easier having theological discussions with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

(They see me as a challenge )

Mr ddc

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Now's the time for you to get right and repent!"

Alabama 3 - Exile On Coldharbour Lane - Converted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E800WC-DCE

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"I didn't believe in a god before I had my first god experience. My family persecuted me for being religious,

I do hope people realise that I don't belong to any Faith

Keep it together pal, your contradicting yourself

You can be religious without belonging to a Faith. Not responding to you... just letting others know why I said those two things "

Faith or no faith you're defined as a Deist and I'd suggest as you can offer no more evidence than , you have had dreams and science can't prove me wrong because the daily fail mail prints crap science writing

I say you only have faith, faith that your dreams were real and not psychological illusions , which we all have and are non perceivable , and could not prove even to yourself let alone us?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It makes sense that it's there.

In the same way that we do not know what gravity is exactly, we know that it's there and it does something. The higgs boson field does something too and we know that but we just haven't discovered it yet (probably because we can't observe it).

Just like some people feel God exists but cannot observe it?

I know what you're saying... and that's why we're looking for it And it might "exist", I'm not saying it doesn't... but I tend to see ourselves as within a continual flow of best guesses and that we shouldn't fix too strongly on any one of them. Science is anchored only to philosophy imo So perhaps it is up to philosophy to present a new grasp of what it is we're looking at, rather than for it to chase round after science like it currently is"

Gravity 100% exists, otherwise we'd float away into space. We just don't know why it works or exactly what it is. That's how science works, it sees there's a missing link and then looks for that.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I have no idea what gravity is .if that is a belief then so be it lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"To be honest he lost me when he called Atheists "Puritanical Squares"

I find it easier having theological discussions with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

(They see me as a challenge )

Mr ddc"

I said they weren't puritanical squares... a subtle difference but an important one none the less

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I didn't believe in a god before I had my first god experience. My family persecuted me for being religious,

I do hope people realise that I don't belong to any Faith

Keep it together pal, your contradicting yourself

You can be religious without belonging to a Faith. Not responding to you... just letting others know why I said those two things

Faith or no faith you're defined as a Deist and I'd suggest as you can offer no more evidence than , you have had dreams and science can't prove me wrong because the daily fail mail prints crap science writing

I say you only have faith, faith that your dreams were real and not psychological illusions , which we all have and are non perceivable , and could not prove even to yourself let alone us?"

Wow... well quite a lot of that was aimed at me so I'd like you to try rephrasing that if you could so it isn't so agressive and attacking.

And before you accuse me of being a Deist perhaps you could do me the honour of asking if I'm a Deist.

It's just simple manners here guys

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It makes sense that it's there.

In the same way that we do not know what gravity is exactly, we know that it's there and it does something. The higgs boson field does something too and we know that but we just haven't discovered it yet (probably because we can't observe it).

Just like some people feel God exists but cannot observe it?

I know what you're saying... and that's why we're looking for it And it might "exist", I'm not saying it doesn't... but I tend to see ourselves as within a continual flow of best guesses and that we shouldn't fix too strongly on any one of them. Science is anchored only to philosophy imo So perhaps it is up to philosophy to present a new grasp of what it is we're looking at, rather than for it to chase round after science like it currently is

Gravity 100% exists, otherwise we'd float away into space. We just don't know why it works or exactly what it is. That's how science works, it sees there's a missing link and then looks for that."

There's a phenomena that exists which we call "gravity". We imagine it to be a separate force we call "gravity". We may find in the future, however, that it is merely the effect of some other force or chain of events and not something in and of itself. This is not to deny that the phenomenon of "gravity" exists, nor even any kind of half-baked attack on "daily mail" science. It is simply a better more accurate explanation of science. If we get stuck into mistaking a concept for being a "thing" we lose sight of the fact that it is a concept. Scientists themselves never lose fact of this... or at least they shouldn't but wih materialism there is cause for concern... it's the public that get confused

I am not arguing against science. I am quite comfortable with science. I am arguing with people's misconceptions of what science is... that's where the problem is imo

If you want to read up on this stuff feel free... there are arguments for and against scientific realism... I found a good book by the chemist Michael Polanyi which gives a more human face to the struggle for scientific knowledge. Scientists have also argued against scientism, which atheists are often accused of falling into, and criticisms of the scientific method by various philosophers of science just go together to build a better picture of science as in more of a state of jeopardy than simplified cultural perceptions of it portray.

This has nothing to do with whether a god exists or not... it is certainly not a counter to the no evidence argument. It is simply what I have grasped from reading around from various scientists and philosophers. I am content that it is a more accurate presentation of science

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Still stirring, OP?

Remember, Confucius says:

"He who stir shit end up licking spoon"

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"I didn't believe in a god before I had my first god experience. My family persecuted me for being religious,

I do hope people realise that I don't belong to any Faith

Keep it together pal, your contradicting yourself

You can be religious without belonging to a Faith. Not responding to you... just letting others know why I said those two things

Faith or no faith you're defined as a Deist and I'd suggest as you can offer no more evidence than , you have had dreams and science can't prove me wrong because the daily fail mail prints crap science writing

I say you only have faith, faith that your dreams were real and not psychological illusions , which we all have and are non perceivable , and could not prove even to yourself let alone us?

Wow... well quite a lot of that was aimed at me so I'd like you to try rephrasing that if you could so it isn't so agressive and attacking.

And before you accuse me of being a Deist perhaps you could do me the honour of asking if I'm a Deist.

It's just simple manners here guys "

Aw don't feign injury lol

I was addressing you

I was not attacking, was I guys? I was blunt

You are a Deist just as you are a human it does not need your acceptence it's a way of using language

People can look in the dictionary and know the essence of your script

Deist , one who thinks a creator created but does not govern

Deists from that simplicity can craft wild description of their idea of that creator

Or in simple terms a Deist is one who is not a theist but thinks a creator exists

You did say you were not a theist did you not ?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


" Aw don't feign injury lol

I was addressing you

I was not attacking, was I guys? I was blunt

You are a Deist just as you are a human it does not need your acceptence it's a way of using language

People can look in the dictionary and know the essence of your script

Deist , one who thinks a creator created but does not govern

Deists from that simplicity can craft wild description of their idea of that creator

Or in simple terms a Deist is one who is not a theist but thinks a creator exists

You did say you were not a theist did you not ?"

*Hammers up a new sign and gestures Toaist towards it...*

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


" *Hammers up a new sign and gestures Toaist towards it...*"

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're unbelievable. You even make digs against those whose beliefs you don't agree with when you claim to be trying to promote peace, understanding and acceptance.

I think we've reached an impasse. Everyone on here is willing to stand up for what they believe is right. No one feels they're wrong... and most of us aren't really trying to change others views... we're merely defending our own. This is an attempt at an olive branch... it might not be good enough... but it's the best I could come up with. Maybe someone else will be able to do better.

Let's all chill the fuck out stop talking about religion

How's that "

Well said that man!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Still stirring, OP?

Remember, Confucius says:

"He who stir shit end up licking spoon"

"

Hahaha

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"To be honest he lost me when he called Atheists "Puritanical Squares"

I find it easier having theological discussions with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

(They see me as a challenge )

Mr ddc

I said they weren't puritanical squares... a subtle difference but an important one none the less "

I assumed the statement
" plus... you've found your way on here so you can't be some kind of egg-headed puritanical square"
implied that you felt all atheists were, but the fact they had made it onto here made you change your mind/confused you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Mpassion you seemed to accept that the logic to conclude that a god would have to be evil

If you disagree with that point please do so"

You're argument is that all this evil exists and a god exists... therefore to you god is evil. I personally disagree with the premise... but that's my view on life, not yours. I'm a glass half full kind of guy and I'm happy staying that way

But either way the problem of evil argument exhibits a complete lack of logic. The character of something is a secondary attribute to their existence. Something can't be nasty if it doesn't exist. Whereas something that exists doesn't have to be nasty. Thus, no matter how you phrase it, the problem of evil cannot prove god's non-existence. It is merely an argument against worship which has been so utterly misunderstood that it's been applied to a concept that's completely beyond its realm. A bit like when Joe applied his burden of proof argument to my asking people why they were atheists. (Sorry Joe... I'm just trying to show the pattern here, that's all)

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"To be honest he lost me when he called Atheists "Puritanical Squares"

I find it easier having theological discussions with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

(They see me as a challenge )

Mr ddc

I said they weren't puritanical squares... a subtle difference but an important one none the less

I assumed the statement plus... you've found your way on here so you can't be some kind of egg-headed puritanical square implied that you felt all atheists were, but the fact they had made it onto here made you change your mind/confused you."

It was intended to balance the Taliban comment for the Faith-based theists... it was addressed to them, not to atheists, to tell them that you lot weren't egg-headed puritanical people... it was a weird way of expressing the fact that atheists often come across as scientific party poopers... and I was suggesting you lot weren't. Does that help? Or did I just dig a deeper hole? lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"And before you accuse me of being a Deist perhaps you could do me the honour of asking if I'm a Deist.

You are a Deist just as you are a human it does not need your acceptence it's a way of using language

People can look in the dictionary and know the essence of your script

Deist , one who thinks a creator created but does not govern

Deists from that simplicity can craft wild description of their idea of that creator

Or in simple terms a Deist is one who is not a theist but thinks a creator exists

You did say you were not a theist did you not ?"

Well lets clear this one up for good. I'm sat here with my dictionary in front of me and its telling me that a Deist is someone who "believes that God created the universe and then abandoned it"... which is pretty much the opposite of what I believe... I'm much closer to a pantheist, although I'm not that either because... a Theist is someone who "believes in a personal God". That's me... as I've said all along I'm a Theist. The issue of governance is more complex and secondary for me... but then I think the whole issue of freewill is more complex anyway.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Mpassion you seemed to accept that the logic to conclude that a god would have to be evil

If you disagree with that point please do so

You're argument is that all this evil exists and a god exists... therefore to you god is evil. I personally disagree with the premise... but that's my view on life, not yours. I'm a glass half full kind of guy and I'm happy staying that way

But either way the problem of evil argument exhibits a complete lack of logic. The character of something is a secondary attribute to their existence. Something can't be nasty if it doesn't exist. Whereas something that exists doesn't have to be nasty. Thus, no matter how you phrase it, the problem of evil cannot prove god's non-existence. It is merely an argument against worship which has been so utterly misunderstood that it's been applied to a concept that's completely beyond its realm. A bit like when Joe applied his burden of proof argument to my asking people why they were atheists. (Sorry Joe... I'm just trying to show the pattern here, that's all)"

Let's forget the word evil

I state

IF a creator existed it specifically designed all that we term as parasites

That is the point I would like you to address

You say you disagree with my logic toward this statement yet are unable to illustrate where the above logic fails

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Mpassion you seemed to accept that the logic to conclude that a god would have to be evil

If you disagree with that point please do so

You're argument is that all this evil exists and a god exists... therefore to you god is evil. I personally disagree with the premise... but that's my view on life, not yours. I'm a glass half full kind of guy and I'm happy staying that way

But either way the problem of evil argument exhibits a complete lack of logic. The character of something is a secondary attribute to their existence. Something can't be nasty if it doesn't exist. Whereas something that exists doesn't have to be nasty. Thus, no matter how you phrase it, the problem of evil cannot prove god's non-existence. It is merely an argument against worship which has been so utterly misunderstood that it's been applied to a concept that's completely beyond its realm. A bit like when Joe applied his burden of proof argument to my asking people why they were atheists. (Sorry Joe... I'm just trying to show the pattern here, that's all)"

The only 'pattern' being demonstrated here is you, I'm afraid.

The debate is useless if you don't engage with others.

(I'm still right, btw)

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"

I state

IF a creator existed it specifically designed all that we term as parasites

That is the point I would like you to address

You say you disagree with my logic toward this statement yet are unable to illustrate where the above logic fails "

Off the top of my head:

1) God created the good things, the devil the bad.

2) Everything has free will, so a mosquito could choose not to bite you, but doesn't.

3) The world is the world, our blessing was to be set inside it, what we make of that opportunity is up to us.

4) Our world started off as a Paradise, but we rejected it (or women got us thrown out, depending on how misogynistic your religion is)

5) Choice. Our lives are the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of them. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite his sincerest efforts he has been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control.

Oh hang on, that last one may have been the Matrix

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I have followed this thread with interest and find that to an ordinary person like me a lot of it has been difficult to understand simply because I don't know enough about the philosophies discussed or I'm unsure of what many of the terms mean. What I need is one person in charge to tell me what I should be thinking about it all, they could maybe appoint a few others to help them. There hasn't ever been a set up like that before.......has there?

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

New Cross

Jeez, is this topic the new foreplay?!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"Jeez, is this topic the new foreplay?! "

It can be....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What I need is one person in charge to tell me what I should be thinking about it all, they could maybe appoint a few others to help them. There hasn't ever been a set up like that before.......has there? "

Totally disagree with this, we should never take information from one source at face value, question everything

To fully understand something we must evaluate all information for and against that thing,

Religion doesn't allow this. It frowns on any counter information as sacrilegious,

Dinosaurs, astronomy, evolution, 2 of every animal on one boat, all things that cannot be ignored and there are many more.

I have no issue with peoples religious choices but always dumbfounded intelligent people beleive when there is now stacks of information that disproves it,

If people have evaluated all available information and chosen religion,

If people denied themselves access to non religious information then it is not a full or clear understanding of religion they are promoting

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"What I need is one person in charge to tell me what I should be thinking about it all, they could maybe appoint a few others to help them. There hasn't ever been a set up like that before.......has there?

Totally disagree with this, we should never take information from one source at face value, question everything

To fully understand something we must evaluate all information for and against that thing,

Religion doesn't allow this. It frowns on any counter information as sacrilegious,

Dinosaurs, astronomy, evolution, 2 of every animal on one boat, all things that cannot be ignored and there are many more.

I have no issue with peoples religious choices but always dumbfounded intelligent people beleive when there is now stacks of information that disproves it,

If people have evaluated all available information and chosen religion,

If people denied themselves access to non religious information then it is not a full or clear understanding of religion they are promoting "

I think you misunderstood my post. It's intention which I tried to convey in the last sentence was to say almost exactly what you just said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What I need is one person in charge to tell me what I should be thinking about it all, they could maybe appoint a few others to help them. There hasn't ever been a set up like that before.......has there?

Totally disagree with this, we should never take information from one source at face value, question everything

To fully understand something we must evaluate all information for and against that thing,

Religion doesn't allow this. It frowns on any counter information as sacrilegious,

Dinosaurs, astronomy, evolution, 2 of every animal on one boat, all things that cannot be ignored and there are many more.

I have no issue with peoples religious choices but always dumbfounded intelligent people beleive when there is now stacks of information that disproves it,

If people have evaluated all available information and chosen religion,

If people denied themselves access to non religious information then it is not a full or clear understanding of religion they are promoting

I think you misunderstood my post. It's intention which I tried to convey in the last sentence was to say almost exactly what you just said "

set my phone to not before coffee mode now, haha

All good

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"What I need is one person in charge to tell me what I should be thinking about it all, they could maybe appoint a few others to help them. There hasn't ever been a set up like that before.......has there?

Totally disagree with this, we should never take information from one source at face value, question everything

To fully understand something we must evaluate all information for and against that thing,

Religion doesn't allow this. It frowns on any counter information as sacrilegious,

Dinosaurs, astronomy, evolution, 2 of every animal on one boat, all things that cannot be ignored and there are many more.

I have no issue with peoples religious choices but always dumbfounded intelligent people beleive when there is now stacks of information that disproves it,

If people have evaluated all available information and chosen religion,

If people denied themselves access to non religious information then it is not a full or clear understanding of religion they are promoting

I think you misunderstood my post. It's intention which I tried to convey in the last sentence was to say almost exactly what you just said

set my phone to not before coffee mode now, haha

All good "

that you can function without coffee at all is a miracle in itself thereby proving the existence of.......well, something

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"....Dinosaurs, astronomy, evolution, 2 of every animal on one boat,... "

What struck me, perusing all the art decorating cathedrals in Spain and Italy, was the number of paintings of Noah's Ark showing a pair of unicorns walking up the gang-plank.

It kinda made me question some of the other dogma I was taught.

(That and being shown my fourth true nail of the crucifixion....)

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I thought this was a maths thread. 562 ÷ 17. Silly Divisions!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Refers posters to the sign:

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"IF a creator existed it specifically designed all that we term as parasites

That is the point I would like you to address

You say you disagree with my logic toward this statement yet are unable to illustrate where the above logic fails"

Your logic is this...

God exists

God created bad things

therefore

God doesn't exist

Could I make a fallacy any clearer than that?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"IF a creator existed it specifically designed all that we term as parasites

That is the point I would like you to address

You say you disagree with my logic toward this statement yet are unable to illustrate where the above logic fails

Your logic is this...

God exists

God created bad things

therefore

God doesn't exist

Could I make a fallacy any clearer than that?"

Your logic is flawed.

*whistles innocently*

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Anyway, this nonsense will be maxed out soon

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

If

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

I

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

Just

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

Keep

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

Posting

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

Nearly

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

There

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Give it to me!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Harder!

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

One more with feeling

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Thank God for that

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