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"Dunno how this makes him a hypocrite. It is a sin to him. " ..........he and his predecessors have presided over what can only described as organised child abuse on a global scale and he has the tomerity to accuse those who for whatever reason have opted to terminate a pregnancy as sinners yet allows abusers to administer absolution .....that is hypocritical is it not? | |||
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"Dunno how this makes him a hypocrite. It is a sin to him. ..........he and his predecessors have presided over what can only described as organised child abuse on a global scale and he has the tomerity to accuse those who for whatever reason have opted to terminate a pregnancy as sinners yet allows abusers to administer absolution .....that is hypocritical is it not?" I don't think so. Think it's weird you think all priests are abusers. | |||
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"There are documented accusations of child abuse within religion and the cash cow that is the church has ignored them to not upset the apple cart and effect the money brought in, Agree with OP before throwing stones at others for what they class as a sin sort the internal activity out. If a group of people are happy to follow the ideals of the magic man books and believe without questioning (because ingeniously it's wrong to look at alternative opinions, such things are sacrilegious and deemed wrong) that is upto them, A massive problem is when non religious people who need to make the tough decision to terminate have to hear this shite and worse factor it into their decision process, " Abortion IS a sin in Christianity, though. Women have killed themselves instead of having abortions. Or they've lived with guilt and heavy hearts for years after having one. It's part of the religion they've chosen to follow, he's saying they'll be forgiven if they wish to be. Priests used to excommunicate women for having abortions. This is a step forward. | |||
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"There are documented accusations of child abuse within religion and the cash cow that is the church has ignored them to not upset the apple cart and effect the money brought in, Agree with OP before throwing stones at others for what they class as a sin sort the internal activity out. If a group of people are happy to follow the ideals of the magic man books and believe without questioning (because ingeniously it's wrong to look at alternative opinions, such things are sacrilegious and deemed wrong) that is upto them, A massive problem is when non religious people who need to make the tough decision to terminate have to hear this shite and worse factor it into their decision process, Abortion IS a sin in Christianity, though. Women have killed themselves instead of having abortions. Or they've lived with guilt and heavy hearts for years after having one. It's part of the religion they've chosen to follow, he's saying they'll be forgiven if they wish to be. Priests used to excommunicate women for having abortions. This is a step forward. " the religion can excommunicate a follower for missing their Easter duties! The point is that an organisation for the most part populated by white middle class men can give absolution to someone who has made a decision that has nothing to do with anyone. As for the comment that all priests are abusers can you point out where I said that? | |||
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"There are documented accusations of child abuse within religion and the cash cow that is the church has ignored them to not upset the apple cart and effect the money brought in, Agree with OP before throwing stones at others for what they class as a sin sort the internal activity out. If a group of people are happy to follow the ideals of the magic man books and believe without questioning (because ingeniously it's wrong to look at alternative opinions, such things are sacrilegious and deemed wrong) that is upto them, A massive problem is when non religious people who need to make the tough decision to terminate have to hear this shite and worse factor it into their decision process, Abortion IS a sin in Christianity, though. Women have killed themselves instead of having abortions. Or they've lived with guilt and heavy hearts for years after having one. It's part of the religion they've chosen to follow, he's saying they'll be forgiven if they wish to be. Priests used to excommunicate women for having abortions. This is a step forward. the religion can excommunicate a follower for missing their Easter duties! The point is that an organisation for the most part populated by white middle class men can give absolution to someone who has made a decision that has nothing to do with anyone. As for the comment that all priests are abusers can you point out where I said that?" I don't believe you regarding Christianity being mainly white middle class men. You suggested all priests were abusers by saying it's hypocritical to allow the abusers to grant penance, instead of limiting your statement or clarifying that only some are abusers. It's a choice to be Christian. Those who are Christian and believe they have committed a sin will now be able to ask for forgiveness. It's obviously something that will never affect you, I don't know why you're so against women asking for forgiveness from their God. Tbh; he's just going back to original Christian teachings - those who show true repentance will be forgiven as it should have always been. The Pope has pretty much said it's not for a priest to decide what is to be forgiven. | |||
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"There are documented accusations of child abuse within religion and the cash cow that is the church has ignored them to not upset the apple cart and effect the money brought in, Agree with OP before throwing stones at others for what they class as a sin sort the internal activity out. If a group of people are happy to follow the ideals of the magic man books and believe without questioning (because ingeniously it's wrong to look at alternative opinions, such things are sacrilegious and deemed wrong) that is upto them, A massive problem is when non religious people who need to make the tough decision to terminate have to hear this shite and worse factor it into their decision process, Abortion IS a sin in Christianity, though. Women have killed themselves instead of having abortions. Or they've lived with guilt and heavy hearts for years after having one. It's part of the religion they've chosen to follow, he's saying they'll be forgiven if they wish to be. Priests used to excommunicate women for having abortions. This is a step forward. the religion can excommunicate a follower for missing their Easter duties! The point is that an organisation for the most part populated by white middle class men can give absolution to someone who has made a decision that has nothing to do with anyone. As for the comment that all priests are abusers can you point out where I said that? I don't believe you regarding Christianity being mainly white middle class men. You suggested all priests were abusers by saying it's hypocritical to allow the abusers to grant penance, instead of limiting your statement or clarifying that only some are abusers. It's a choice to be Christian. Those who are Christian and believe they have committed a sin will now be able to ask for forgiveness. It's obviously something that will never affect you, I don't know why you're so against women asking for forgiveness from their God. Tbh; he's just going back to original Christian teachings - those who show true repentance will be forgiven as it should have always been. The Pope has pretty much said it's not for a priest to decide what is to be forgiven. " Firstly you are confusing absolution with penance. The former is granted on the complying with the latter. The whole concept that a woman asks a male priest to act as a conduit to gain absolution is archaic at best and sinister in my view. Finally I didn't say that Christianity was or is a male dominated faction I actually said that catholisim is dominated by white middle class men which if you look at the make up of the papal conclave for instance would suggest I am right. | |||
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"There are documented accusations of child abuse within religion and the cash cow that is the church has ignored them to not upset the apple cart and effect the money brought in, Agree with OP before throwing stones at others for what they class as a sin sort the internal activity out. If a group of people are happy to follow the ideals of the magic man books and believe without questioning (because ingeniously it's wrong to look at alternative opinions, such things are sacrilegious and deemed wrong) that is upto them, A massive problem is when non religious people who need to make the tough decision to terminate have to hear this shite and worse factor it into their decision process, Abortion IS a sin in Christianity, though. Women have killed themselves instead of having abortions. Or they've lived with guilt and heavy hearts for years after having one. It's part of the religion they've chosen to follow, he's saying they'll be forgiven if they wish to be. Priests used to excommunicate women for having abortions. This is a step forward. the religion can excommunicate a follower for missing their Easter duties! The point is that an organisation for the most part populated by white middle class men can give absolution to someone who has made a decision that has nothing to do with anyone. As for the comment that all priests are abusers can you point out where I said that? I don't believe you regarding Christianity being mainly white middle class men. You suggested all priests were abusers by saying it's hypocritical to allow the abusers to grant penance, instead of limiting your statement or clarifying that only some are abusers. It's a choice to be Christian. Those who are Christian and believe they have committed a sin will now be able to ask for forgiveness. It's obviously something that will never affect you, I don't know why you're so against women asking for forgiveness from their God. Tbh; he's just going back to original Christian teachings - those who show true repentance will be forgiven as it should have always been. The Pope has pretty much said it's not for a priest to decide what is to be forgiven. Firstly you are confusing absolution with penance. The former is granted on the complying with the latter. The whole concept that a woman asks a male priest to act as a conduit to gain absolution is archaic at best and sinister in my view. Finally I didn't say that Christianity was or is a male dominated faction I actually said that catholisim is dominated by white middle class men which if you look at the make up of the papal conclave for instance would suggest I am right." "There are documented accusations of child abuse within religion and the cash cow that is the church has ignored them to not upset the apple cart and effect the money brought in, Agree with OP before throwing stones at others for what they class as a sin sort the internal activity out. If a group of people are happy to follow the ideals of the magic man books and believe without questioning (because ingeniously it's wrong to look at alternative opinions, such things are sacrilegious and deemed wrong) that is upto them, A massive problem is when non religious people who need to make the tough decision to terminate have to hear this shite and worse factor it into their decision process, Abortion IS a sin in Christianity, though. Women have killed themselves instead of having abortions. Or they've lived with guilt and heavy hearts for years after having one. It's part of the religion they've chosen to follow, he's saying they'll be forgiven if they wish to be. Priests used to excommunicate women for having abortions. This is a step forward. the religion can excommunicate a follower for missing their Easter duties! The point is that an organisation for the most part populated by white middle class men can give absolution to someone who has made a decision that has nothing to do with anyone. As for the comment that all priests are abusers can you point out where I said that? I don't believe you regarding Christianity being mainly white middle class men. You suggested all priests were abusers by saying it's hypocritical to allow the abusers to grant penance, instead of limiting your statement or clarifying that only some are abusers. It's a choice to be Christian. Those who are Christian and believe they have committed a sin will now be able to ask for forgiveness. It's obviously something that will never affect you, I don't know why you're so against women asking for forgiveness from their God. Tbh; he's just going back to original Christian teachings - those who show true repentance will be forgiven as it should have always been. The Pope has pretty much said it's not for a priest to decide what is to be forgiven. Firstly you are confusing absolution with penance. The former is granted on the complying with the latter. The whole concept that a woman asks a male priest to act as a conduit to gain absolution is archaic at best and sinister in my view. Finally I didn't say that Christianity was or is a male dominated faction I actually said that catholisim is dominated by white middle class men which if you look at the make up of the papal conclave for instance would suggest I am right." 
You know these women choose to be in that religion? Why do you get to say it's not right for them?
And 57% of the Catholic Church is made up of non white countries. I suspect they don't come under middle class either. And some of those are even female.
It's alright if you have a problem with the Church, but to say it's hypocritical for the Pope to stick to what he believes and what the Bible teaches is wrong. It's the opposite of hypocrisy. Plus it's dumb to criticise progression. | |||
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"There are documented accusations of child abuse within religion and the cash cow that is the church has ignored them to not upset the apple cart and effect the money brought in, Agree with OP before throwing stones at others for what they class as a sin sort the internal activity out. If a group of people are happy to follow the ideals of the magic man books and believe without questioning (because ingeniously it's wrong to look at alternative opinions, such things are sacrilegious and deemed wrong) that is upto them, A massive problem is when non religious people who need to make the tough decision to terminate have to hear this shite and worse factor it into their decision process, Abortion IS a sin in Christianity, though. Women have killed themselves instead of having abortions. Or they've lived with guilt and heavy hearts for years after having one. It's part of the religion they've chosen to follow, he's saying they'll be forgiven if they wish to be. Priests used to excommunicate women for having abortions. This is a step forward. the religion can excommunicate a follower for missing their Easter duties! The point is that an organisation for the most part populated by white middle class men can give absolution to someone who has made a decision that has nothing to do with anyone. As for the comment that all priests are abusers can you point out where I said that? I don't believe you regarding Christianity being mainly white middle class men. You suggested all priests were abusers by saying it's hypocritical to allow the abusers to grant penance, instead of limiting your statement or clarifying that only some are abusers. It's a choice to be Christian. Those who are Christian and believe they have committed a sin will now be able to ask for forgiveness. It's obviously something that will never affect you, I don't know why you're so against women asking for forgiveness from their God. Tbh; he's just going back to original Christian teachings - those who show true repentance will be forgiven as it should have always been. The Pope has pretty much said it's not for a priest to decide what is to be forgiven. Firstly you are confusing absolution with penance. The former is granted on the complying with the latter. The whole concept that a woman asks a male priest to act as a conduit to gain absolution is archaic at best and sinister in my view. Finally I didn't say that Christianity was or is a male dominated faction I actually said that catholisim is dominated by white middle class men which if you look at the make up of the papal conclave for instance would suggest I am right. There are documented accusations of child abuse within religion and the cash cow that is the church has ignored them to not upset the apple cart and effect the money brought in, Agree with OP before throwing stones at others for what they class as a sin sort the internal activity out. If a group of people are happy to follow the ideals of the magic man books and believe without questioning (because ingeniously it's wrong to look at alternative opinions, such things are sacrilegious and deemed wrong) that is upto them, A massive problem is when non religious people who need to make the tough decision to terminate have to hear this shite and worse factor it into their decision process, Abortion IS a sin in Christianity, though. Women have killed themselves instead of having abortions. Or they've lived with guilt and heavy hearts for years after having one. It's part of the religion they've chosen to follow, he's saying they'll be forgiven if they wish to be. Priests used to excommunicate women for having abortions. This is a step forward. the religion can excommunicate a follower for missing their Easter duties! The point is that an organisation for the most part populated by white middle class men can give absolution to someone who has made a decision that has nothing to do with anyone. As for the comment that all priests are abusers can you point out where I said that? I don't believe you regarding Christianity being mainly white middle class men. You suggested all priests were abusers by saying it's hypocritical to allow the abusers to grant penance, instead of limiting your statement or clarifying that only some are abusers. It's a choice to be Christian. Those who are Christian and believe they have committed a sin will now be able to ask for forgiveness. It's obviously something that will never affect you, I don't know why you're so against women asking for forgiveness from their God. Tbh; he's just going back to original Christian teachings - those who show true repentance will be forgiven as it should have always been. The Pope has pretty much said it's not for a priest to decide what is to be forgiven. Firstly you are confusing absolution with penance. The former is granted on the complying with the latter. The whole concept that a woman asks a male priest to act as a conduit to gain absolution is archaic at best and sinister in my view. Finally I didn't say that Christianity was or is a male dominated faction I actually said that catholisim is dominated by white middle class men which if you look at the make up of the papal conclave for instance would suggest I am right.
You know these women choose to be in that religion? Why do you get to say it's not right for them?
And 57% of the Catholic Church is made up of non white countries. I suspect they don't come under middle class either. And some of those are even female.
It's alright if you have a problem with the Church, but to say it's hypocritical for the Pope to stick to what he believes and what the Bible teaches is wrong. It's the opposite of hypocrisy. Plus it's dumb to criticise progression. "So the concept of a white man who has never been in a relationship pontificating on who can and can't receive absolution is progress? Easily pleased !!! The Catholic Church does not have female priests. The papal conclave is made up of 90% Caucasian origin that is where governance is enacted and crimes covered up. I maintain that it's hypocritical to allege that a corrupt institution sits in judgement of those who have made a choice of what they do with their own body. | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? " This 100%  | |||
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"Agree with the OP in ways. and despite my apathy for religion, it has its place with some people.. However, various aspects of it have been entirely calvinistic and used merely as control mechanisms by those claiming to be that wee bit closer to god. I'm gonna bark out a figure of 97.3% of religions have sinners,hypocrites and liars, who will hide behind 2000yr old 'teachings' that cannot fit in with modern life. " Paddy! You've changed your name and it was only you talking out of the avatar arse that meant I knew it was you.
I would say that 100% of religions have a 100% sinners. No one is perfect.
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"So the concept of a white man who has never been in a relationship pontificating on who can and can't receive absolution is progress? Easily pleased !!! The Catholic Church does not have female priests. The papal conclave is made up of 90% Caucasian origin that is where governance is enacted and crimes covered up. I maintain that it's hypocritical to allege that a corrupt institution sits in judgement of those who have made a choice of what they do with their own body." I don't know why it bothers you. It's clearly not your religion. I also don't think you know what hypocritical actually means going by that - this Pope has been incredibly true to his beliefs. | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100% "Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue. | |||
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"So the concept of a white man who has never been in a relationship pontificating on who can and can't receive absolution is progress? Easily pleased !!! The Catholic Church does not have female priests. The papal conclave is made up of 90% Caucasian origin that is where governance is enacted and crimes covered up. I maintain that it's hypocritical to allege that a corrupt institution sits in judgement of those who have made a choice of what they do with their own body. I don't know why it bothers you. It's clearly not your religion. I also don't think you know what hypocritical actually means going by that - this Pope has been incredibly true to his beliefs. " it was my religion and have seen hypocritical behaviour first hand. The pope is incredibly true to his outdated and archaic beliefs. I also know the difference between absolution and penance! | |||
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"Those who are not Catholic need not be concerned one way or the other The absolution is for women who are Catholic" Excellent point | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue."This Pope has said that although condoms are not the best solution for AIDS, they are "... in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.”. I dunno how you don't think that's acceptable. | |||
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"So the concept of a white man who has never been in a relationship pontificating on who can and can't receive absolution is progress? Easily pleased !!! The Catholic Church does not have female priests. The papal conclave is made up of 90% Caucasian origin that is where governance is enacted and crimes covered up. I maintain that it's hypocritical to allege that a corrupt institution sits in judgement of those who have made a choice of what they do with their own body. I don't know why it bothers you. It's clearly not your religion. I also don't think you know what hypocritical actually means going by that - this Pope has been incredibly true to his beliefs. it was my religion and have seen hypocritical behaviour first hand. The pope is incredibly true to his outdated and archaic beliefs. I also know the difference between absolution and penance!" Oh come off it, you knew exactly what I meant. It hardly threw my point.  | |||
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"Those who are not Catholic need not be concerned one way or the other The absolution is for women who are Catholic" So I am not a Tory does that I should be concerned with benefit reform as I do not draw benefits? What a very insular statement ! | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
This Pope has said that although condoms are not the best solution for AIDS, they are "... in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.”.
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"Those who are not Catholic need not be concerned one way or the other The absolution is for women who are Catholic So I am not a Tory does that I should be concerned with benefit reform as I do not draw benefits? What a very insular statement !" Completely different matter - my (if I had one)or anybody else's beliefs do not affect you but political reform may! If a belief system affects you and others for example the actions of ISIS - then I would agree it is something that concerns everybody. | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue."I don't agree with everything Pope Francis has said or with everything he has done in the past. However, you seem to be stuck in the place of having been a Catholic and still resentful of your former religion, believing that NOTHING will change. Pope Francis is changing some things. You know, as well as I do, that he can only move as fast the slowest Cardinal. He might have a very short career as a Pope if he moves too fast and his teaching has been about forgiveness. Most practical Catholics will interpret his views on condoms in a practical way, do penance and seek absolution. | |||
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"Those who are not Catholic need not be concerned one way or the other The absolution is for women who are Catholic" the absolution is for those involved in terminations to include spouses and doctors. Abortion is a social issue and I have every right to form and express an opinion? | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
This Pope has said that although condoms are not the best solution for AIDS, they are "... in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.”.
I dunno how you don't think that's acceptable. I have not a clue what your point is?"That the Pope has gone on record to say that using condoms to prevent HIV should be the first step. | |||
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"Those who are not Catholic need not be concerned one way or the other The absolution is for women who are Catholic So I am not a Tory does that I should be concerned with benefit reform as I do not draw benefits? What a very insular statement !" This cannot possibly affect you. You are not a woman and neither a Catholic, I assume. Therefore, it is virtually impossible for you to know the depth of the feelings involved. And how could any of this affect you in any way, shape or form But comment away, if you must | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
I don't agree with everything Pope Francis has said or with everything he has done in the past. However, you seem to be stuck in the place of having been a Catholic and still resentful of your former religion, believing that NOTHING will change.
Pope Francis is changing some things. You know, as well as I do, that he can only move as fast the slowest Cardinal. He might have a very short career as a Pope if he moves too fast and his teaching has been about forgiveness. Most practical Catholics will interpret his views on condoms in a practical way, do penance and seek absolution.
"You just reinforce my point about the church and its teachings. We have a doctrine but you interpret the way you want we effectively turn a blind eye but it's still a sin! Now that is hypocritical !!!! | |||
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Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
This Pope has said that although condoms are not the best solution for AIDS, they are "... in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.”.
I dunno how you don't think that's acceptable. I have not a clue what your point is?
That the Pope has gone on record to say that using condoms to prevent HIV should be the first step."when did he say this? | |||
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"Those who are not Catholic need not be concerned one way or the other The absolution is for women who are Catholic So I am not a Tory does that I should be concerned with benefit reform as I do not draw benefits? What a very insular statement ! This cannot possibly affect you. You are not a woman and neither a Catholic, I assume. Therefore, it is virtually impossible for you to know the depth of the feelings involved. And how could any of this affect you in any way, shape or form But comment away, if you must" It really only affects a few women positively. It's inconsequential to everyone else in the world. | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
This Pope has said that although condoms are not the best solution for AIDS, they are "... in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.”.
I dunno how you don't think that's acceptable. I have not a clue what your point is?
That the Pope has gone on record to say that using condoms to prevent HIV should be the first step. when did he say this?"2010 | |||
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"Those who are not Catholic need not be concerned one way or the other The absolution is for women who are Catholic So I am not a Tory does that I should be concerned with benefit reform as I do not draw benefits? What a very insular statement ! This cannot possibly affect you. You are not a woman and neither a Catholic, I assume. Therefore, it is virtually impossible for you to know the depth of the feelings involved. And how could any of this affect you in any way, shape or form But comment away, if you must" so if my partner needed to have a termination for health or safety reasons that does not impact on me? Do I not have some feelings in the matter? Your comment and positionis just ridiculous and naive | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
I don't agree with everything Pope Francis has said or with everything he has done in the past. However, you seem to be stuck in the place of having been a Catholic and still resentful of your former religion, believing that NOTHING will change.
Pope Francis is changing some things. You know, as well as I do, that he can only move as fast the slowest Cardinal. He might have a very short career as a Pope if he moves too fast and his teaching has been about forgiveness. Most practical Catholics will interpret his views on condoms in a practical way, do penance and seek absolution.
You just reinforce my point about the church and its teachings. We have a doctrine but you interpret the way you want we effectively turn a blind eye but it's still a sin! Now that is hypocritical !!!!"Following the same doctrine we are all sinners! The whole practice is based on just about every action having some sinful aspect to it that you need to confess, do penance for and then be granted absolution. I am accepting that as a given and being happy for those who can now seek absolution for a particular sin that they were previously denied absolution for committing. | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
This Pope has said that although condoms are not the best solution for AIDS, they are "... in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.”.
I dunno how you don't think that's acceptable. I have not a clue what your point is?
That the Pope has gone on record to say that using condoms to prevent HIV should be the first step. when did he say this?
2010 "when he wasn't the Pope? His latest enciphlical stated that birth control in all its forms was in contradiction to gods design for mankind When in 2010 did he say this | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
I don't agree with everything Pope Francis has said or with everything he has done in the past. However, you seem to be stuck in the place of having been a Catholic and still resentful of your former religion, believing that NOTHING will change.
Pope Francis is changing some things. You know, as well as I do, that he can only move as fast the slowest Cardinal. He might have a very short career as a Pope if he moves too fast and his teaching has been about forgiveness. Most practical Catholics will interpret his views on condoms in a practical way, do penance and seek absolution.
You just reinforce my point about the church and its teachings. We have a doctrine but you interpret the way you want we effectively turn a blind eye but it's still a sin! Now that is hypocritical !!!!
Following the same doctrine we are all sinners! The whole practice is based on just about every action having some sinful aspect to it that you need to confess, do penance for and then be granted absolution.
I am accepting that as a given and being happy for those who can now seek absolution for a particular sin that they were previously denied absolution for committing.
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
This Pope has said that although condoms are not the best solution for AIDS, they are "... in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.”.
I dunno how you don't think that's acceptable. I have not a clue what your point is?
That the Pope has gone on record to say that using condoms to prevent HIV should be the first step. when did he say this?
2010 when he wasn't the Pope? His latest enciphlical stated that birth control in all its forms was in contradiction to gods design for mankind
When in 2010 did he say this "Crikey, use Google. I have a feeling you're confusing the Church's stance on condoms for contraception and condoms for HIV prevention. They're different. | |||
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) if this is your first time here but you write like someone who was here before.
Either way, I will try and step away now before I commit a venial sin in your eyes. I'm not a Catholic so I'll probably be ok.
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
This Pope has said that although condoms are not the best solution for AIDS, they are "... in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.”.
I dunno how you don't think that's acceptable. I have not a clue what your point is?
That the Pope has gone on record to say that using condoms to prevent HIV should be the first step. when did he say this?
2010 when he wasn't the Pope? His latest enciphlical stated that birth control in all its forms was in contradiction to gods design for mankind
When in 2010 did he say this
Crikey, use Google.
I have a feeling you're confusing the Church's stance on condoms for contraception and condoms for HIV prevention. They're different. "in what way are they different? Do you have a condom for infection control and one one for birth control? I have googled it and cannot find the quote? | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
I don't agree with everything Pope Francis has said or with everything he has done in the past. However, you seem to be stuck in the place of having been a Catholic and still resentful of your former religion, believing that NOTHING will change.
Pope Francis is changing some things. You know, as well as I do, that he can only move as fast the slowest Cardinal. He might have a very short career as a Pope if he moves too fast and his teaching has been about forgiveness. Most practical Catholics will interpret his views on condoms in a practical way, do penance and seek absolution.
You just reinforce my point about the church and its teachings. We have a doctrine but you interpret the way you want we effectively turn a blind eye but it's still a sin! Now that is hypocritical !!!!
Following the same doctrine we are all sinners! The whole practice is based on just about every action having some sinful aspect to it that you need to confess, do penance for and then be granted absolution.
I am accepting that as a given and being happy for those who can now seek absolution for a particular sin that they were previously denied absolution for committing.
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"Those who are not Catholic need not be concerned one way or the other The absolution is for women who are Catholic So I am not a Tory does that I should be concerned with benefit reform as I do not draw benefits? What a very insular statement ! This cannot possibly affect you. You are not a woman and neither a Catholic, I assume. Therefore, it is virtually impossible for you to know the depth of the feelings involved. And how could any of this affect you in any way, shape or form But comment away, if you must so if my partner needed to have a termination for health or safety reasons that does not impact on me? Do I not have some feelings in the matter? Your comment and positionis just ridiculous and naive " I assume that your partner is not Catholic either And the absolution is a positive for those Catholic women who chose an abortion in the past; this is not a negative | |||
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"OP, I feel I have had a similar argument with you before. Forgive me ( ) if this is your first time here but you write like someone who was here before.
Either way, I will try and step away now before I commit a venial sin in your eyes. I'm not a Catholic so I'll probably be ok.
Have fun railing against the Catholic church."I made a comment on hypocritical stances nothing more. Seemingly venial sin abounds on fab? | |||
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"Those who are not Catholic need not be concerned one way or the other The absolution is for women who are Catholic So I am not a Tory does that I should be concerned with benefit reform as I do not draw benefits? What a very insular statement ! This cannot possibly affect you. You are not a woman and neither a Catholic, I assume. Therefore, it is virtually impossible for you to know the depth of the feelings involved. And how could any of this affect you in any way, shape or form But comment away, if you must so if my partner needed to have a termination for health or safety reasons that does not impact on me? Do I not have some feelings in the matter? Your comment and positionis just ridiculous and naive I assume that your partner is not Catholic either And the absolution is a positive for those Catholic women who chose an abortion in the past; this is not a negative" but it is hypocritical ! | |||
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"OP, this the same Pope who has approved the tribunal to hear and deal with cases of historic and current child abuse. The announcement today will be welcome news to many women who have made a difficult choice in their lives. The fact that he is acknowledging both issues doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me. Any thread about religion on here brings out the posts that it's archaic and pointless. It misses the point that for many people religion plays some part in their lives. If it doesn't affect you and not something you believe in why is it a cause of consternation that this Pope has made a decision to grant peace to some people? This 100%
Yes this the same pope who as a cardinal voted to have internal clerical commissions to investigate allegations of abuse rather than involve the police and judiciary. This is the pope who continues to preach that birth control is a mortal sin and acknowledges that the use of condoms reduces the risk of HIV infection but will not allow Catholics to use this method of control. This is the pope who whilst acknowledging homosexuality still denies basic human rights to those who are gay by quoting the bible and its teaching on the issue.
This Pope has said that although condoms are not the best solution for AIDS, they are "... in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.”.
I dunno how you don't think that's acceptable. I have not a clue what your point is?
That the Pope has gone on record to say that using condoms to prevent HIV should be the first step. when did he say this?
2010 when he wasn't the Pope? His latest enciphlical stated that birth control in all its forms was in contradiction to gods design for mankind
When in 2010 did he say this
Crikey, use Google.
I have a feeling you're confusing the Church's stance on condoms for contraception and condoms for HIV prevention. They're different. in what way are they different? Do you have a condom for infection control and one one for birth control?
I have googled it and cannot find the quote?"No, the condoms themselves are not different - obviously. It's down to the intention of the users. The Church's stances on contraception and HIV prevention are different. There are even wiki pages dedicated to it. Or Google the quote exactly and it'll link you to it. | |||
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"Those who are not Catholic need not be concerned one way or the other The absolution is for women who are Catholic So I am not a Tory does that I should be concerned with benefit reform as I do not draw benefits? What a very insular statement ! This cannot possibly affect you. You are not a woman and neither a Catholic, I assume. Therefore, it is virtually impossible for you to know the depth of the feelings involved. And how could any of this affect you in any way, shape or form But comment away, if you must so if my partner needed to have a termination for health or safety reasons that does not impact on me? Do I not have some feelings in the matter? Your comment and positionis just ridiculous and naive I assume that your partner is not Catholic either And the absolution is a positive for those Catholic women who chose an abortion in the past; this is not a negative but it is hypocritical !" Hypocritical is for me to have sex when single or if married, outside of wedlock, and then ask for forgiveness when I have every intention of committing the sin again You must have great powers to know that these few women will ask for forgiveness and then get pregnant again and have an abortion again | |||
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"(F) My Father was a Catholic and divorced his first wife. He then married my Mum and eventually I came along. At 4 years of age I was at my grandmothers (Irish Catholic) and the local priest came to the door. He Looked at me and on finding out I was the issue of a thrown out Catholic declared " I will not enter the house containing a Bastard. Fast forward, my Father divorced my Mum and remarried. A couple of years later his first wife died and he was welcomed back into the Catholic Church with open arms. But first they checked that he was no longer with my Mum. He had a blessing at the church, which I refused to attend as to me it confirmed that I was (in the eyes of the Catholic Church) a Bastard. Hypocrits the lot of them" Not really that much about hypocrisy..its fuckiing greed. They know these welcoming backs will just defuel the waning interest... its marketing...and will increase revenue Despite abortion being classed a sin,why is the need to ex-communicated there anyway? why does it have to be temporary?- do they expect women to be abor-sinning every few months? | |||
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"There I was a perfectly good leper with a trade and up pops Jesus with a.... Your cured my son ..
Without a buy or a leave.. Bloody do-gooder."Its easy to be sarcastic Behind a man when he,s dead, a prophet who would die for our sins, with Iron Nails driven through the palms of his Hands and feet into a wooden cross, a Crown of thorns pushed Down on to his head for his beliefs and flogged all the way by his roman Captors who would have mocked him all the way to the site he would eventually die a slow painful death, people still mock him 2000 years later Like you sexy bum. | |||
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"There I was a perfectly good leper with a trade and up pops Jesus with a.... Your cured my son ..
Without a buy or a leave.. Bloody do-gooder.Its easy to be sarcastic Behind a man when he,s dead, a prophet who would die for our sins, with Iron Nails driven through the palms of his Hands and feet into a wooden cross, a Crown of thorns pushed Down on to his head for his beliefs and flogged all the way by his roman Captors who would have mocked him all the way to the site he would eventually die a slow painful death, people still mock him 2000 years later Like you sexy bum.". I like mocking ridiculous myths... I do a great Zeus as well as a Thor and if that doesn't make you laugh I'll throw a virgin into the volcanoe for good measure! | |||
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"(F) My Father was a Catholic and divorced his first wife. He then married my Mum and eventually I came along. At 4 years of age I was at my grandmothers (Irish Catholic) and the local priest came to the door. He Looked at me and on finding out I was the issue of a thrown out Catholic declared " I will not enter the house containing a Bastard. Fast forward, my Father divorced my Mum and remarried. A couple of years later his first wife died and he was welcomed back into the Catholic Church with open arms. But first they checked that he was no longer with my Mum. He had a blessing at the church, which I refused to attend as to me it confirmed that I was (in the eyes of the Catholic Church) a Bastard. Hypocrits the lot of them Not really that much about hypocrisy..its fuckiing greed. They know these welcoming backs will just defuel the waning interest... its marketing...and will increase revenue Despite abortion being classed a sin,why is the need to ex-communicated there anyway? why does it have to be temporary?- do they expect women to be abor-sinning every few months? " I'm not sure if it is totally temporary. Some priests will not absolve certain sins and I guess this order forces them to, but the ones who already would will continue to do so after. It was always taught that women could seek forgiveness, it just wasn't as public as this cos abortion being a sin outweighed the Church's teachings on forgiveness. | |||
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"(F) My Father was a Catholic and divorced his first wife. He then married my Mum and eventually I came along. At 4 years of age I was at my grandmothers (Irish Catholic) and the local priest came to the door. He Looked at me and on finding out I was the issue of a thrown out Catholic declared " I will not enter the house containing a Bastard. Fast forward, my Father divorced my Mum and remarried. A couple of years later his first wife died and he was welcomed back into the Catholic Church with open arms. But first they checked that he was no longer with my Mum. He had a blessing at the church, which I refused to attend as to me it confirmed that I was (in the eyes of the Catholic Church) a Bastard. Hypocrits the lot of them Not really that much about hypocrisy..its fuckiing greed. They know these welcoming backs will just defuel the waning interest... its marketing...and will increase revenue Despite abortion being classed a sin,why is the need to ex-communicated there anyway? why does it have to be temporary?- do they expect women to be abor-sinning every few months? I'm not sure if it is totally temporary. Some priests will not absolve certain sins and I guess this order forces them to, but the ones who already would will continue to do so after. It was always taught that women could seek forgiveness, it just wasn't as public as this cos abortion being a sin outweighed the Church's teachings on forgiveness. " how dare a corrupt and secretive organisation decide on what is and is not a so called sin and then award themselves the right to absolve. Let me ask you a question and answer it without googling the answer. Why does the Catholic Church preach that a termination for whatever reason is a mortal sin? | |||
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"(F) My Father was a Catholic and divorced his first wife. He then married my Mum and eventually I came along. At 4 years of age I was at my grandmothers (Irish Catholic) and the local priest came to the door. He Looked at me and on finding out I was the issue of a thrown out Catholic declared " I will not enter the house containing a Bastard. Fast forward, my Father divorced my Mum and remarried. A couple of years later his first wife died and he was welcomed back into the Catholic Church with open arms. But first they checked that he was no longer with my Mum. He had a blessing at the church, which I refused to attend as to me it confirmed that I was (in the eyes of the Catholic Church) a Bastard. Hypocrits the lot of them Not really that much about hypocrisy..its fuckiing greed. They know these welcoming backs will just defuel the waning interest... its marketing...and will increase revenue Despite abortion being classed a sin,why is the need to ex-communicated there anyway? why does it have to be temporary?- do they expect women to be abor-sinning every few months? I'm not sure if it is totally temporary. Some priests will not absolve certain sins and I guess this order forces them to, but the ones who already would will continue to do so after. It was always taught that women could seek forgiveness, it just wasn't as public as this cos abortion being a sin outweighed the Church's teachings on forgiveness. " total and utter hypocrisy | |||
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"(F) My Father was a Catholic and divorced his first wife. He then married my Mum and eventually I came along. At 4 years of age I was at my grandmothers (Irish Catholic) and the local priest came to the door. He Looked at me and on finding out I was the issue of a thrown out Catholic declared " I will not enter the house containing a Bastard. Fast forward, my Father divorced my Mum and remarried. A couple of years later his first wife died and he was welcomed back into the Catholic Church with open arms. But first they checked that he was no longer with my Mum. He had a blessing at the church, which I refused to attend as to me it confirmed that I was (in the eyes of the Catholic Church) a Bastard. Hypocrits the lot of them Not really that much about hypocrisy..its fuckiing greed. They know these welcoming backs will just defuel the waning interest... its marketing...and will increase revenue Despite abortion being classed a sin,why is the need to ex-communicated there anyway? why does it have to be temporary?- do they expect women to be abor-sinning every few months? I'm not sure if it is totally temporary. Some priests will not absolve certain sins and I guess this order forces them to, but the ones who already would will continue to do so after. It was always taught that women could seek forgiveness, it just wasn't as public as this cos abortion being a sin outweighed the Church's teachings on forgiveness. how dare a corrupt and secretive organisation decide on what is and is not a so called sin and then award themselves the right to absolve. Let me ask you a question and answer it without googling the answer. Why does the Catholic Church preach that a termination for whatever reason is a mortal sin?" I get this feeling that you won't be getting baptised as a Catholic any time soon then In which case, I guess none of what the Catholic Church decides for Catholics will affect you in the least bit | |||
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"(F) My Father was a Catholic and divorced his first wife. He then married my Mum and eventually I came along. At 4 years of age I was at my grandmothers (Irish Catholic) and the local priest came to the door. He Looked at me and on finding out I was the issue of a thrown out Catholic declared " I will not enter the house containing a Bastard. Fast forward, my Father divorced my Mum and remarried. A couple of years later his first wife died and he was welcomed back into the Catholic Church with open arms. But first they checked that he was no longer with my Mum. He had a blessing at the church, which I refused to attend as to me it confirmed that I was (in the eyes of the Catholic Church) a Bastard. Hypocrits the lot of them Not really that much about hypocrisy..its fuckiing greed. They know these welcoming backs will just defuel the waning interest... its marketing...and will increase revenue Despite abortion being classed a sin,why is the need to ex-communicated there anyway? why does it have to be temporary?- do they expect women to be abor-sinning every few months? I'm not sure if it is totally temporary. Some priests will not absolve certain sins and I guess this order forces them to, but the ones who already would will continue to do so after. It was always taught that women could seek forgiveness, it just wasn't as public as this cos abortion being a sin outweighed the Church's teachings on forgiveness. how dare a corrupt and secretive organisation decide on what is and is not a so called sin and then award themselves the right to absolve. Let me ask you a question and answer it without googling the answer. Why does the Catholic Church preach that a termination for whatever reason is a mortal sin? I get this feeling that you won't be getting baptised as a Catholic any time soon then In which case, I guess none of what the Catholic Church decides for Catholics will affect you in the least bit" there are lots of organisations that will have little or no impact on my life for example UKIP that does not stop me having an opinion on their outdated and decisive policies? You seem to think that I cannot pass an opinion? Just as an aside I have opinions on most religious organisations because for the most part they are mysoginstic and homophobic! | |||
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"(F) My Father was a Catholic and divorced his first wife. He then married my Mum and eventually I came along. At 4 years of age I was at my grandmothers (Irish Catholic) and the local priest came to the door. He Looked at me and on finding out I was the issue of a thrown out Catholic declared " I will not enter the house containing a Bastard. Fast forward, my Father divorced my Mum and remarried. A couple of years later his first wife died and he was welcomed back into the Catholic Church with open arms. But first they checked that he was no longer with my Mum. He had a blessing at the church, which I refused to attend as to me it confirmed that I was (in the eyes of the Catholic Church) a Bastard. Hypocrits the lot of them Not really that much about hypocrisy..its fuckiing greed. They know these welcoming backs will just defuel the waning interest... its marketing...and will increase revenue Despite abortion being classed a sin,why is the need to ex-communicated there anyway? why does it have to be temporary?- do they expect women to be abor-sinning every few months? I'm not sure if it is totally temporary. Some priests will not absolve certain sins and I guess this order forces them to, but the ones who already would will continue to do so after. It was always taught that women could seek forgiveness, it just wasn't as public as this cos abortion being a sin outweighed the Church's teachings on forgiveness. how dare a corrupt and secretive organisation decide on what is and is not a so called sin and then award themselves the right to absolve. Let me ask you a question and answer it without googling the answer. Why does the Catholic Church preach that a termination for whatever reason is a mortal sin? I get this feeling that you won't be getting baptised as a Catholic any time soon then In which case, I guess none of what the Catholic Church decides for Catholics will affect you in the least bit there are lots of organisations that will have little or no impact on my life for example UKIP that does not stop me having an opinion on their outdated and decisive policies? You seem to think that I cannot pass an opinion? Just as an aside I have opinions on most religious organisations because for the most part they are mysoginstic and homophobic!" Oh, no; I wouldn't dare think that you cannot pass an opinion about a way of life which you have never, ever experienced | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion?" Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say this | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say this" is it a race? If you read my posts you would almost certainly deduce my knowledge of the religion suggests I was once a Catholic. Your argument is somewhat confused and makes little sense | |||
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"Dunno how this makes him a hypocrite. It is a sin to him. ..........he and his predecessors have presided over what can only described as organised child abuse on a global scale and he has the tomerity to accuse those who for whatever reason have opted to terminate a pregnancy as sinners yet allows abusers to administer absolution .....that is hypocritical is it not? I don't think so. Think it's weird you think all priests are abusers. " By covering it up, the church was complicit and therefore they are guilty by association. | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say thisis it a race? If you read my posts you would almost certainly deduce my knowledge of the religion suggests I was once a Catholic. Your argument is somewhat confused and makes little sense" No it doesn't but you win I have to admit that you as a Catholic woman who has had an abortion and now seeks forgiveness is the only woman who could have all those experiences to say that being absolved is not a good thing I'll go and listen to a Muslim guy on this subject  | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say this" he said it way early in the thread Josie...I was gonna point it out on your few occasions you mentioned his opinion not mattering regarding his faith or sex... which brings me to the point. a group of people who dont have sex, telling others they are sinners for either having children out of wedlock or having abortions......... in this day and age.. | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say thisis it a race? If you read my posts you would almost certainly deduce my knowledge of the religion suggests I was once a Catholic. Your argument is somewhat confused and makes little sense No it doesn't but you win I have to admit that you as a Catholic woman who has had an abortion and now seeks forgiveness is the only woman who could have all those experiences to say that being absolved is not a good thing I'll go and listen to a Muslim guy on this subject "Still non the wiser? | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say this he said it way early in the thread Josie...I was gonna point it out on your few occasions you mentioned his opinion not mattering regarding his faith or sex... which brings me to the point. a group of people who dont have sex, telling others they are sinners for either having children out of wedlock or having abortions......... in this day and age.." I obviously missed that comment and I did ask earlier too I am still not certain why people think that the absolution, for however brief a period, could be negative | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say this he said it way early in the thread Josie...I was gonna point it out on your few occasions you mentioned his opinion not mattering regarding his faith or sex... which brings me to the point. a group of people who dont have sex, telling others they are sinners for either having children out of wedlock or having abortions......... in this day and age.. I obviously missed that comment and I did ask earlier too I am still not certain why people think that the absolution, for however brief a period, could be negative" I explained my views on it, being cynical here, I believe its more of a marketing ploy.Bring back the ex-communicated 'tortured' souls. limited period only.......... HURRY OFFER MUST END SOON! why dont they just accept people into their faith and offer support..for a NON LIMITED TIME PERIOD? after all..they are not the voice of god,so people shouldnt have been excommunicated in the first place... | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say this he said it way early in the thread Josie...I was gonna point it out on your few occasions you mentioned his opinion not mattering regarding his faith or sex... which brings me to the point. a group of people who dont have sex, telling others they are sinners for either having children out of wedlock or having abortions......... in this day and age.. I obviously missed that comment and I did ask earlier too I am still not certain why people think that the absolution, for however brief a period, could be negative I explained my views on it, being cynical here, I believe its more of a marketing ploy.Bring back the ex-communicated 'tortured' souls. limited period only.......... HURRY OFFER MUST END SOON! why dont they just accept people into their faith and offer support..for a NON LIMITED TIME PERIOD? after all..they are not the voice of god,so people shouldnt have been excommunicated in the first place..." I am always amazed when people want to join a badminton club but complain that they are being marginalised by the lack of a swimming pool on the court Nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic. Not even forcing the Catholics to remain Catholic. If as a Catholic, one breaks the rules, then various levels of sanctions are imposed; the most severe being excommunication It still doesn't mean that one is 'thrown out' of the Church. It simply means that one cannot accept certain sacraments; the most important being unable to join in Holy Communion | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say this he said it way early in the thread Josie...I was gonna point it out on your few occasions you mentioned his opinion not mattering regarding his faith or sex... which brings me to the point. a group of people who dont have sex, telling others they are sinners for either having children out of wedlock or having abortions......... in this day and age.. I obviously missed that comment and I did ask earlier too I am still not certain why people think that the absolution, for however brief a period, could be negative I explained my views on it, being cynical here, I believe its more of a marketing ploy.Bring back the ex-communicated 'tortured' souls. limited period only.......... HURRY OFFER MUST END SOON! why dont they just accept people into their faith and offer support..for a NON LIMITED TIME PERIOD? after all..they are not the voice of god,so people shouldnt have been excommunicated in the first place... I am always amazed when people want to join a badminton club but complain that they are being marginalised by the lack of a swimming pool on the court Nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic. Not even forcing the Catholics to remain Catholic. If as a Catholic, one breaks the rules, then various levels of sanctions are imposed; the most severe being excommunication It still doesn't mean that one is 'thrown out' of the Church. It simply means that one cannot accept certain sacraments; the most important being unable to join in Holy Communion" Your (and others) hypothesis that because you are detached from a position or stance you cannot have an opinion on the subject matter is naive and ridiculous and your argument is somewhat circular in so far as what has a woman's right to to with her body what she wants has nothing to do with middle class celibate men? I am of the opinion that to suggest anyone can grant mortal absolution particularly an organisation that is accused and convicted of crimes against its flock is hypocritical and sinister. | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say this he said it way early in the thread Josie...I was gonna point it out on your few occasions you mentioned his opinion not mattering regarding his faith or sex... which brings me to the point. a group of people who dont have sex, telling others they are sinners for either having children out of wedlock or having abortions......... in this day and age.. I obviously missed that comment and I did ask earlier too I am still not certain why people think that the absolution, for however brief a period, could be negative I explained my views on it, being cynical here, I believe its more of a marketing ploy.Bring back the ex-communicated 'tortured' souls. limited period only.......... HURRY OFFER MUST END SOON! why dont they just accept people into their faith and offer support..for a NON LIMITED TIME PERIOD? after all..they are not the voice of god,so people shouldnt have been excommunicated in the first place... I am always amazed when people want to join a badminton club but complain that they are being marginalised by the lack of a swimming pool on the court Nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic. Not even forcing the Catholics to remain Catholic. If as a Catholic, one breaks the rules, then various levels of sanctions are imposed; the most severe being excommunication It still doesn't mean that one is 'thrown out' of the Church. It simply means that one cannot accept certain sacraments; the most important being unable to join in Holy Communion Your (and others) hypothesis that because you are detached from a position or stance you cannot have an opinion on the subject matter is naive and ridiculous and your argument is somewhat circular in so far as what has a woman's right to to with her body what she wants has nothing to do with middle class celibate men? I am of the opinion that to suggest anyone can grant mortal absolution particularly an organisation that is accused and convicted of crimes against its flock is hypocritical and sinister." Your opinion is noted for all Catholic women, including myself. Thank you for letting us know that our faith and how it affects our gender, is a matter you are opposed to | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say this he said it way early in the thread Josie...I was gonna point it out on your few occasions you mentioned his opinion not mattering regarding his faith or sex... which brings me to the point. a group of people who dont have sex, telling others they are sinners for either having children out of wedlock or having abortions......... in this day and age.. I obviously missed that comment and I did ask earlier too I am still not certain why people think that the absolution, for however brief a period, could be negative I explained my views on it, being cynical here, I believe its more of a marketing ploy.Bring back the ex-communicated 'tortured' souls. limited period only.......... HURRY OFFER MUST END SOON! why dont they just accept people into their faith and offer support..for a NON LIMITED TIME PERIOD? after all..they are not the voice of god,so people shouldnt have been excommunicated in the first place... I am always amazed when people want to join a badminton club but complain that they are being marginalised by the lack of a swimming pool on the court Nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic. Not even forcing the Catholics to remain Catholic. If as a Catholic, one breaks the rules, then various levels of sanctions are imposed; the most severe being excommunication It still doesn't mean that one is 'thrown out' of the Church. It simply means that one cannot accept certain sacraments; the most important being unable to join in Holy Communion Your (and others) hypothesis that because you are detached from a position or stance you cannot have an opinion on the subject matter is naive and ridiculous and your argument is somewhat circular in so far as what has a woman's right to to with her body what she wants has nothing to do with middle class celibate men? I am of the opinion that to suggest anyone can grant mortal absolution particularly an organisation that is accused and convicted of crimes against its flock is hypocritical and sinister. Your opinion is noted for all Catholic women, including myself. Thank you for letting us know that our faith and how it affects our gender, is a matter you are opposed to "Therefore you will interested to know that I have never taken part in a fox hunt nor do I live in the countryside but I am opposed to fox hunting. That said I still do not understand your stand point! | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say this he said it way early in the thread Josie...I was gonna point it out on your few occasions you mentioned his opinion not mattering regarding his faith or sex... which brings me to the point. a group of people who dont have sex, telling others they are sinners for either having children out of wedlock or having abortions......... in this day and age.. I obviously missed that comment and I did ask earlier too I am still not certain why people think that the absolution, for however brief a period, could be negative I explained my views on it, being cynical here, I believe its more of a marketing ploy.Bring back the ex-communicated 'tortured' souls. limited period only.......... HURRY OFFER MUST END SOON! why dont they just accept people into their faith and offer support..for a NON LIMITED TIME PERIOD? after all..they are not the voice of god,so people shouldnt have been excommunicated in the first place... I am always amazed when people want to join a badminton club but complain that they are being marginalised by the lack of a swimming pool on the court Nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic. Not even forcing the Catholics to remain Catholic. If as a Catholic, one breaks the rules, then various levels of sanctions are imposed; the most severe being excommunication It still doesn't mean that one is 'thrown out' of the Church. It simply means that one cannot accept certain sacraments; the most important being unable to join in Holy Communion Your (and others) hypothesis that because you are detached from a position or stance you cannot have an opinion on the subject matter is naive and ridiculous and your argument is somewhat circular in so far as what has a woman's right to to with her body what she wants has nothing to do with middle class celibate men? I am of the opinion that to suggest anyone can grant mortal absolution particularly an organisation that is accused and convicted of crimes against its flock is hypocritical and sinister. Your opinion is noted for all Catholic women, including myself. Thank you for letting us know that our faith and how it affects our gender, is a matter you are opposed to Therefore you will interested to know that I have never taken part in a fox hunt nor do I live in the countryside but I am opposed to fox hunting. That said I still do not understand your stand point!"Catholic women are not foxes who need YOUR protection | |||
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"I was raised in the catholic faith so therefore I can pass an opinion? Yes, then you would have the life experiences to do just that. Took you quite some time to say this he said it way early in the thread Josie...I was gonna point it out on your few occasions you mentioned his opinion not mattering regarding his faith or sex... which brings me to the point. a group of people who dont have sex, telling others they are sinners for either having children out of wedlock or having abortions......... in this day and age.. I obviously missed that comment and I did ask earlier too I am still not certain why people think that the absolution, for however brief a period, could be negative I explained my views on it, being cynical here, I believe its more of a marketing ploy.Bring back the ex-communicated 'tortured' souls. limited period only.......... HURRY OFFER MUST END SOON! why dont they just accept people into their faith and offer support..for a NON LIMITED TIME PERIOD? after all..they are not the voice of god,so people shouldnt have been excommunicated in the first place... I am always amazed when people want to join a badminton club but complain that they are being marginalised by the lack of a swimming pool on the court Nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic. Not even forcing the Catholics to remain Catholic. If as a Catholic, one breaks the rules, then various levels of sanctions are imposed; the most severe being excommunication It still doesn't mean that one is 'thrown out' of the Church. It simply means that one cannot accept certain sacraments; the most important being unable to join in Holy Communion Your (and others) hypothesis that because you are detached from a position or stance you cannot have an opinion on the subject matter is naive and ridiculous and your argument is somewhat circular in so far as what has a woman's right to to with her body what she wants has nothing to do with middle class celibate men? I am of the opinion that to suggest anyone can grant mortal absolution particularly an organisation that is accused and convicted of crimes against its flock is hypocritical and sinister. Your opinion is noted for all Catholic women, including myself. Thank you for letting us know that our faith and how it affects our gender, is a matter you are opposed to Therefore you will interested to know that I have never taken part in a fox hunt nor do I live in the countryside but I am opposed to fox hunting. That said I still do not understand your stand point!
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