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"When possible I tend to write in a similar style to the way I speak, " Exactly. A good presentation isn't judged by making your point in as few words as possible. A good presentation tells a story, and to achieve that I will ignore the rules of grammar and write sentences that would sound great if spoken with a change in voice but would otherwise leave you begging for a full stop. | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? " Use of grammar is one of my weak areas and I have purchased a book which by reading I will hope assist me to improve how I use it . I don't believe that anyone should ever need to apologise for being formal or sounding pompous . It is important to get spelling and grammar correct . We should all strive to improve our standards . | |||
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"I am not blessed with succinctness. I tend to write in a stream of consciousness fashion regardless. Sometimes I frame the thought as I am thinking it and grammar helps but I don't fret over the odd typo or grammatical inconsistency. Other than Oxford commas. I try and avoid them." What are Oxford commas? | |||
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"I am not blessed with succinctness. I tend to write in a stream of consciousness fashion regardless. Sometimes I frame the thought as I am thinking it and grammar helps but I don't fret over the odd typo or grammatical inconsistency. Other than Oxford commas. I try and avoid them. What are Oxford commas? " Where you have a list of things and use a comma before the final 'and' to make the meaning more clear. I was always taught that if I needed to use one it was because I hadn't constructed my sentence well enough to start with and have avoided them ever since (I had a really strict English teacher). My best mate uses them all the time and has an English MA so I'm probably wrong. | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? " Why does the second version sound pompous ? | |||
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"As long as everyone gets the jist of what you are saying what does it matter?! Though there are a few things that annoy me." Like what ? | |||
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"I am not blessed with succinctness. I tend to write in a stream of consciousness fashion regardless. Sometimes I frame the thought as I am thinking it and grammar helps but I don't fret over the odd typo or grammatical inconsistency. Other than Oxford commas. I try and avoid them. What are Oxford commas? Where you have a list of things and use a comma before the final 'and' to make the meaning more clear. I was always taught that if I needed to use one it was because I hadn't constructed my sentence well enough to start with and have avoided them ever since (I had a really strict English teacher). My best mate uses them all the time and has an English MA so I'm probably wrong." Ahhhh ok, I get you now my grammar is quite poor and sometimes I just get confused as what to use. My manager is comma obsessed she overuses them. To this day I'm still surprised I got B/B in my English GCSE lol. | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? " You might find a comma before and after the word 'technically' appropriate in the first sentence of your post. | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? " Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? Why does the second version sound pompous ?" It sounds overly formal (to me). I think, (again, to me), it sounds pompous when used on here because I know I'm writing it to be correct, even though it doesn't fit the conversational style of the board. In a report or formal letter or similar I would use the correct form without thinking twice. In here I sometimes write it correctly and then change it. | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure" Those are not Oxford commas | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure" That's not what I understand an Oxford comma to be. | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure" They're just regular commas. | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? Why does the second version sound pompous ? It sounds overly formal (to me). I think, (again, to me), it sounds pompous when used on here because I know I'm writing it to be correct, even though it doesn't fit the conversational style of the board. In a report or formal letter or similar I would use the correct form without thinking twice. In here I sometimes write it correctly and then change it." I understood what you meant in your first post. I asked why you consider it pompous. | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure Those are not Oxford commas " Wrong | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? You might find a comma before and after the word 'technically' appropriate in the first sentence of your post. " I'm happy with the structure of that sentence. "...technically not good English..." isn't incorrect. It's not technically not good. Had I meant, "...what is, technically, not good English...", I'd have written that. The two sentences don't mean the same thing. | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure Those are not Oxford commas Wrong " Who? You or everyone else on this post ? | |||
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"Discussion of commas....... FIIIIIIIIIIIGHT " My commas are bigger than your commas | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure Those are not Oxford commas Wrong Who? You or everyone else on this post ?" They were Bromley commas... | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure Those are not Oxford commas Wrong " Sorry, Granny is correct. You are wrong. An Oxford comma comes at the conjunction at the and of a list. I went to dinner with Tom, my confidante and my uncle. Is Tom the confidante AND the uncle, (so I went to dinner with one person). Or did I go to dinner with Tom and my uncle (two people). An Oxford comma is used to make it clear. I went to dinner with Tom, my confidante, and my uncle. The comma before the and is an Oxford comma. | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure Those are not Oxford commas Wrong Who? You or everyone else on this post ?" you | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure Those are not Oxford commas Wrong Who? You or everyone else on this post ?" *chortle* | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure Those are not Oxford commas Wrong Who? You or everyone else on this post ? you" What about everyone else that is saying you are wrong ? | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? Why does the second version sound pompous ? It sounds overly formal (to me). I think, (again, to me), it sounds pompous when used on here because I know I'm writing it to be correct, even though it doesn't fit the conversational style of the board. In a report or formal letter or similar I would use the correct form without thinking twice. In here I sometimes write it correctly and then change it. I understood what you meant in your first post. I asked why you consider it pompous. " I can't explain it better than that. It sounds too formal for the place in which I am using it. | |||
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"Discussion of commas....... FIIIIIIIIIIIGHT My commas are bigger than your commas " You really should use a full stop at the end of your sentences. | |||
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"Discussion of commas....... FIIIIIIIIIIIGHT My commas are bigger than your commas You really should use a full stop at the end of your sentences. " I really. Should do. a. lot of things. but. I don't. | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure Those are not Oxford commas Wrong Who? You or everyone else on this post ? you What about everyone else that is saying you are wrong ?" It depends whether he fancies them, obviously DISCLAIMER: That is a total tongue in cheek reply, not in any way serious. | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure Those are not Oxford commas Wrong Who? You or everyone else on this post ? you What about everyone else that is saying you are wrong ? It depends whether he fancies them, obviously DISCLAIMER: That is a total tongue in cheek reply, not in any way serious." totally* FFS | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure Those are not Oxford commas Wrong Who? You or everyone else on this post ? you What about everyone else that is saying you are wrong ?" Believe what you want, Its an Oxford comma. | |||
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"A big part of my job is using correct grammar and punctuation. When I'm not in work I couldn't give a sparkly rats wotsit though I write how I speak. As long ad it makes sense it doesn't matter to me. " I agree I have to complete a lot of legal paperwork and letters so spelling, grammar and punctuation is important so when I'm not at work I tend not to think about grammar. | |||
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"Discussion of commas....... FIIIIIIIIIIIGHT My commas are bigger than your commas You really should use a full stop at the end of your sentences. I really. Should do. a. lot of things. but. I don't. " Now you are channelling Mysterious Brown Eyes or whatever his most recent name was. Handsome Smoocher maybe? | |||
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" What are Oxford commas? Let's go eat granny. Let's go eat, granny. Hopefully you see the difference. My pleasure Those are not Oxford commas Wrong Who? You or everyone else on this post ? you What about everyone else that is saying you are wrong ? Believe what you want, Its an Oxford comma." It's not. It's a perfectly ordinary comma. I gave an example of an Oxford comma above. | |||
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"noun noun: Oxford comma a comma used after the penultimate item in a list of three or more items, before ‘and’ or ‘or’ (e.g. an Italian painter, sculptor, and architect )." Definition according to google | |||
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"noun noun: Oxford comma a comma used after the penultimate item in a list of three or more items, before ‘and’ or ‘or’ (e.g. an Italian painter, sculptor, and architect )." What Cheeky said. | |||
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"Well I thought the "Oxford" comma was a comma placed before the or/and preceding the last item in a list (eg dogs, cats, fish, and budgies rather than just dogs, cats, fish and budgies). When I was a kid we were taught that the comma before the conjunction was not required because the rhythmic pause is implied by the conjunction. Aesthetically, I think it looks better without the comma and technically either are acceptable. Cal" Usually, yes - people think of it in terms of lists. But It's semantic purpose is to clarify meaning. Which is why I gave the textbook example above | |||
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"Well I thought the "Oxford" comma was a comma placed before the or/and preceding the last item in a list (eg dogs, cats, fish, and budgies rather than just dogs, cats, fish and budgies). When I was a kid we were taught that the comma before the conjunction was not required because the rhythmic pause is implied by the conjunction. Aesthetically, I think it looks better without the comma and technically either are acceptable. Cal Usually, yes - people think of it in terms of lists. But It's semantic purpose is to clarify meaning. Which is why I gave the textbook example above " You're wrong. It only applies to a conjunction at the end of a list. | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? " Yes I do because for a couple of reasons. Some people assume that speaking and writing correctly is a slight on them rather than just the way a person speaks, I use "you" instead of "one" for that very reason. Someone on here the other day said people use "silly long words". Also because conversational language is easier to follow and has a friendlier tone to it. | |||
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"Well I thought the "Oxford" comma was a comma placed before the or/and preceding the last item in a list (eg dogs, cats, fish, and budgies rather than just dogs, cats, fish and budgies). When I was a kid we were taught that the comma before the conjunction was not required because the rhythmic pause is implied by the conjunction. Aesthetically, I think it looks better without the comma and technically either are acceptable. Cal Usually, yes - people think of it in terms of lists. But It's semantic purpose is to clarify meaning. Which is why I gave the textbook example above You're wrong. It only applies to a conjunction at the end of a list." Which bit about 'textbook example' dont you understand? | |||
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"Well I thought the "Oxford" comma was a comma placed before the or/and preceding the last item in a list (eg dogs, cats, fish, and budgies rather than just dogs, cats, fish and budgies). When I was a kid we were taught that the comma before the conjunction was not required because the rhythmic pause is implied by the conjunction. Aesthetically, I think it looks better without the comma and technically either are acceptable. Cal Usually, yes - people think of it in terms of lists. But It's semantic purpose is to clarify meaning. Which is why I gave the textbook example above " You are giving the usage for a comma. Everyone else is talking about Oxford commas. | |||
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"Well I thought the "Oxford" comma was a comma placed before the or/and preceding the last item in a list (eg dogs, cats, fish, and budgies rather than just dogs, cats, fish and budgies). When I was a kid we were taught that the comma before the conjunction was not required because the rhythmic pause is implied by the conjunction. Aesthetically, I think it looks better without the comma and technically either are acceptable. Cal Usually, yes - people think of it in terms of lists. But It's semantic purpose is to clarify meaning. Which is why I gave the textbook example above You're wrong. It only applies to a conjunction at the end of a list. Which bit about 'textbook example' dont you understand?" Go off and read a few grammar sites and find one that cites that structure as an example of an Oxford comma. I guarantee you won't. It's not an Oxford comma. It may be a textbook example of something grammatical, but it isn't an Oxford comma. | |||
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"Well I thought the "Oxford" comma was a comma placed before the or/and preceding the last item in a list (eg dogs, cats, fish, and budgies rather than just dogs, cats, fish and budgies). When I was a kid we were taught that the comma before the conjunction was not required because the rhythmic pause is implied by the conjunction. Aesthetically, I think it looks better without the comma and technically either are acceptable. Cal Usually, yes - people think of it in terms of lists. But It's semantic purpose is to clarify meaning. Which is why I gave the textbook example above You are giving the usage for a comma. Everyone else is talking about Oxford commas. " *nods* | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? Yes I do because for a couple of reasons. Some people assume that speaking and writing correctly is a slight on them rather than just the way a person speaks, I use "you" instead of "one" for that very reason. Someone on here the other day said people use "silly long words". Also because conversational language is easier to follow and has a friendlier tone to it." Ah, yes, "you" vs. "one". I try to use "you" on here though sometimes I default to "one" accidentally. And sometimes I use "one" deliberately if I think the person I'm replying to might take the "you" personally and I don't intend that they do. | |||
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"Well I thought the "Oxford" comma was a comma placed before the or/and preceding the last item in a list (eg dogs, cats, fish, and budgies rather than just dogs, cats, fish and budgies). When I was a kid we were taught that the comma before the conjunction was not required because the rhythmic pause is implied by the conjunction. Aesthetically, I think it looks better without the comma and technically either are acceptable. Cal Usually, yes - people think of it in terms of lists. But It's semantic purpose is to clarify meaning. Which is why I gave the textbook example above You're wrong. It only applies to a conjunction at the end of a list. Which bit about 'textbook example' dont you understand?" I do love people trying to be condescending when they're wrong. | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? Yes I do because for a couple of reasons. Some people assume that speaking and writing correctly is a slight on them rather than just the way a person speaks, I use "you" instead of "one" for that very reason. Someone on here the other day said people use "silly long words". Also because conversational language is easier to follow and has a friendlier tone to it. Ah, yes, "you" vs. "one". I try to use "you" on here though sometimes I default to "one" accidentally. And sometimes I use "one" deliberately if I think the person I'm replying to might take the "you" personally and I don't intend that they do." I'm not great at grammar myself and admit to putting apostrophes in the wrong place, not properly knowing about colons and semi-colons and getting my imperfects and subjunctives in a dither so I try and be a bit tolerant. | |||
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"What do you expect an Oxford comma to look like - maybe different colour or something? it's a semantic construct, guess you either get it or not." Quite. Some people don't get it. You've still not been off to read any grammar sites then. You're still wrong. | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? Yes I do because for a couple of reasons. Some people assume that speaking and writing correctly is a slight on them rather than just the way a person speaks, I use "you" instead of "one" for that very reason. Someone on here the other day said people use "silly long words". Also because conversational language is easier to follow and has a friendlier tone to it. Ah, yes, "you" vs. "one". I try to use "you" on here though sometimes I default to "one" accidentally. And sometimes I use "one" deliberately if I think the person I'm replying to might take the "you" personally and I don't intend that they do. I'm not great at grammar myself and admit to putting apostrophes in the wrong place, not properly knowing about colons and semi-colons and getting my imperfects and subjunctives in a dither so I try and be a bit tolerant. " I'm not perfect either but I do try. Sometimes I'm simply careless though. | |||
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"Christ! if I had to have perfect grammar, punctuation and spelling....I wouldn't get anything written. The spelling is enough for me. And now you buggers have thrown in commas and Oxford commas, I'm totally fucked! *goes in a corner to be quiet* " Your posts are clear and entirely legible. Unless you particularly care about trying to get it correct all the time, forget about it and have fun. | |||
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" It does get me a wee bit angry when people correct people for minor errors , but I'm getting used to it now ." I've mostly learnt to bite my tongue, unless those making the mistake are castigating others for their errors. It's open season at that point. Occasionally I forget and correct someone but I try to remember not to. | |||
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"Has everybody been fucking lobotomised this morning ?" No. Why, do you think I should have been? (Rocky Horror reference for those that don't get it) | |||
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"All I asked, was what was a Oxford comma chill out people. " Fancy a fuck? | |||
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"All I asked, was what was a Oxford comma chill out people. Fancy a fuck?" Go on then.... | |||
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"All I asked, was what was a Oxford comma chill out people. Fancy a fuck? Go on then.... " Grease your arse and bend over x | |||
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"Does anyone ever write what is technically not good English because the better version sounds pompous or long winded? On another thread I just wrote: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking that I wasn't previously aware of. It should be: [I] have realised a few things about my thinking, of which I was not previously aware. I wrote the more conversational, less grammatically correct form because the more correct form sounds so formal and, well, pompous. Does anyone else purposely use more conversational language rather than more grammatically correct language? Why? " You are saving the English language, keep it up! I also think, from a man's perspective, it's very sexy when spoken by a woman. X | |||
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