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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What even is that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What even is that? "

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

They may have met at a party or a club and still be straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe tried it and decided it wasn't for them. their business

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I get messages from 'straight' men all the time.

Makes my day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's none of my business,that's what it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah if you are going to lie on your profile about your sexuality, it's a bit daft to then have verifications showing that you're clearly not straight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't find women attractive at all but have done sexual stuff with them if they are around when a guys cock is. I know for a fact i wouldn't want to go with a woman on their own though, and in my head i'd prefer them not to be there and it be 2 guys.

It's called enjoying them moment and situation despite your beliefs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are confused lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't find women attractive at all but have done sexual stuff with them if they are around when a guys cock is. I know for a fact i wouldn't want to go with a woman on their own though, and in my head i'd prefer them not to be there and it be 2 guys.

It's called enjoying them moment and situation despite your beliefs."

yeah but thats different because bisexuality as a woman is sexy to 99.9999% of people on here. I don't see why everyone gets so obsessed with the label people put on themselves.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

There's a "straight" guy who has started a thread on here tonight that has 2 sexual veris, 1 from a man & 1 from a TV

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't find women attractive at all but have done sexual stuff with them if they are around when a guys cock is. I know for a fact i wouldn't want to go with a woman on their own though, and in my head i'd prefer them not to be there and it be 2 guys.

It's called enjoying them moment and situation despite your beliefs.

yeah but thats different because bisexuality as a woman is sexy to 99.9999% of people on here. I don't see why everyone gets so obsessed with the label people put on themselves."

I'm not bisexual though. If it was a woman by herself then i'd not be interested at all.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Because some men maybe don't want to admit that they are bi, while society sees 2 women together as some porno, some in society look down on a man liking another man so some feel ashamed to admit their sexuality or are confused....or they could of met a bloke in a club and had a pint together...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They didn't swallow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you saying they're bi & in denial then, surely it depends on the wording ~ I'm straight but if I met a woman at a party I'd give her one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't find women attractive at all but have done sexual stuff with them if they are around when a guys cock is. I know for a fact i wouldn't want to go with a woman on their own though, and in my head i'd prefer them not to be there and it be 2 guys.

It's called enjoying them moment and situation despite your beliefs.

yeah but thats different because bisexuality as a woman is sexy to 99.9999% of people on here. I don't see why everyone gets so obsessed with the label people put on themselves.

I'm not bisexual though. If it was a woman by herself then i'd not be interested at all."

yeah, i get that. sorry, not making my point very well. people won't jump down your throat for experimenting with other women because they find the idea a turn-on. if you were a man saying that you'd get a very hard time for it on here. then people wonder why guys don't declare they're into other guys!

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"What even is that? "

It is, none of your or my business, I guess

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I'm interested in bi men and I get messages from 'straight' guys who are scared to put bi on their profiles as it puts women off apparently?

I have at least 1 veri from a woman but I am totally straight. We met socially.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't find women attractive at all but have done sexual stuff with them if they are around when a guys cock is. I know for a fact i wouldn't want to go with a woman on their own though, and in my head i'd prefer them not to be there and it be 2 guys.

It's called enjoying them moment and situation despite your beliefs.

yeah but thats different because bisexuality as a woman is sexy to 99.9999% of people on here. I don't see why everyone gets so obsessed with the label people put on themselves.

I'm not bisexual though. If it was a woman by herself then i'd not be interested at all.

yeah, i get that. sorry, not making my point very well. people won't jump down your throat for experimenting with other women because they find the idea a turn-on. if you were a man saying that you'd get a very hard time for it on here. then people wonder why guys don't declare they're into other guys!"

I get what you mean now yeah.

It's not a one off for me tbh, but i only look forward to sex with men and perv over men. I have a really big thing for 3sums as well though, so if it has to be a guy and a woman then i do still enjoy that. But it'll be the 3sum that's the turn on and not who it's with...in fact i've actually met men i didn't find that attractive just for 3sum when it comes to men as well.

Funny how the head works sometimes but that's how mine does. It gets off on ideas more than the person doing i'm them with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a "straight" guy who has started a thread on here tonight that has 2 sexual veris, 1 from a man & 1 from a TV "

These are the confusing people. Although if I was at a party and I found a pussy particularly inviting I might have a lick. If I put bi on here it would give the wrong impression. I'm not bi curious.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

Dire straights

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What even is that? "

Going with who you want and not caring what others think about it. Im straight but ive seen some transgirls where I was tempted. If I wish to cross the line from tempted to meeting then thats my business. If I like it and want more I'll change my profile to bi. If not I'll stick with straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What even is that? "
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Sexism

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

All mine were social.

But I love how judgemental this thread is

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"I don't find women attractive at all but have done sexual stuff with them if they are around when a guys cock is. I know for a fact i wouldn't want to go with a woman on their own though, and in my head i'd prefer them not to be there and it be 2 guys.

It's called enjoying them moment and situation despite your beliefs.

yeah but thats different because bisexuality as a woman is sexy to 99.9999% of people on here. I don't see why everyone gets so obsessed with the label people put on themselves.

I'm not bisexual though. If it was a woman by herself then i'd not be interested at all.

yeah, i get that. sorry, not making my point very well. people won't jump down your throat for experimenting with other women because they find the idea a turn-on. if you were a man saying that you'd get a very hard time for it on here. then people wonder why guys don't declare they're into other guys!"

*Some* people laugh and don't like those that label themselves Domme or sub. I'm here to find like minded playmates from the anonymous people on site.

How would I find like minded people if I didn't advertise what I am? I will NEVER appeal to everyone, why would I want to? I want to appeal to those seeking someone like me.

If I had to pretend to be something I'm not it would make me unhappy. Don't see the point, however, if people want to lie to themselves, that's their prerogative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would say its their business not mine or anyone else's...how others portray themselves and word the profile is up to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hahaha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What even is that? "

Denial lol

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

Why shouldn't I verify my Str8 M8s if I know they're genuine swingers?

I only verify folk who are friends & don't accept friends unless we've met so why shouldn't I verify if I've seen them attend Socials? Or we've become friends on here & met up either at a party or somewhere else? If I can verify the straight women I can verify the straight men too. Just verify the folk who are genuine you've met in person & not the ones who don't.

Jeez people, go out & MEET folk you're interested in (socially or sexually).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What even is that? "

Social meet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Because some men maybe don't want to admit that they are bi, while society sees 2 women together as some porno, some in society look down on a man liking another man so some feel ashamed to admit their sexuality or are confused....or they could of met a bloke in a club and had a pint together..."

Plus keeping their options open for the peeps who won't meet bi men!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People throwing in the social line even though op states "sexual".

I'm glad they keep them on as it allows for informed choices to be made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What even is that? "

None of your business.

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By *indy SometimesTV/TS
over a year ago

BoxHill

I'm a Bi guy and am up front about my sexuality on here. I find honesty is the best policy though it does seem to limit my meeting potential. Agree with previous posts who have stated that it seems acceptable for girls to be Bi but not guys. Would value your opinions about this ladies, turn on, or off? For me it's the best of both worlds, variety being the spice of life. After all it's a modern world with many people with varied tastes. If it's not for you, don't do it!

Saying that, and back to the OPs question, I do get plenty of messages from "straight" guys asking me to meet but when the cards are on the table many back off or disappear totally. Perhaps they are just fantasists who get off on the idea not the actuality?

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"People throwing in the social line even though op states "sexual".

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You're right, my mistake.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


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I'm glad they keep them on as it allows for informed choices to be made. "

I'm glad forum posts remain; I can then make informed choices about d**kheads and those up their own arses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Informed choices......when people say that i always imagine old bearded men, smoking pipes raising eye brows.."Ah yes, you see here, back in 2005, he experimented with another guy...tut tut tut..Add him to the list!".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone really care!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just plain old reverse sexism

, I've no doubt had it been a female profile, not only would nobody give a fuck but she wouldn't even be considered bi for the odd one or two or three... Merely adventurous or curious or she likes a bit of it after a drink... But heavens forbid a man should adopt that attitude because he's a lying devious gay bastard just covering up his trail of gayness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's just plain old reverse sexism

, I've no doubt had it been a female profile, not only would nobody give a fuck but she wouldn't even be considered bi for the odd one or two or three... Merely adventurous or curious or she likes a bit of it after a drink... But heavens forbid a man should adopt that attitude because he's a lying devious gay bastard just covering up his trail of gayness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a veri from a male but the profile & meet was with a cpl.

Personally wouldn't waste my time on over analysing people's pros, I take things at face value and make informed choices from that!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I've nothing against bi- men so I don't care. They may be from a party or they may have shagged each other completely senseless. It matters not one iota of a jot to me.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"I'm a Bi guy and am up front about my sexuality on here. I find honesty is the best policy though it does seem to limit my meeting potential. Agree with previous posts who have stated that it seems acceptable for girls to be Bi but not guys. Would value your opinions about this ladies, turn on, or off? For me it's the best of both worlds, variety being the spice of life. After all it's a modern world with many people with varied tastes. If it's not for you, don't do it!

Saying that, and back to the OPs question, I do get plenty of messages from "straight" guys asking me to meet but when the cards are on the table many back off or disappear totally. Perhaps they are just fantasists who get off on the idea not the actuality? "

I'll repeat: we will NEVER appeal to everyone. Start with that premise and tailor your profile to attract like minded people.

I'm a fat, old, black Domme: my profile is hidden whilst I take a breather. I've never received hundreds of messages a day, enough to keep me busy and more importantly, playmates to suit me.

Even met my other half here.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"I've nothing against bi- men so I don't care. They may be from a party or they may have shagged each other completely senseless. It matters not one iota of a jot to me."
Hey you,ve got your chore,s to do haha, I,ve got mine to..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had quite a few straight guys message saying were bi. When you pull them on it all the excuses come out.

'No one knows I'm bi and don't want to be recognised'....what by your cock as only pics you have on profile?

'I don't want to be hounded by single men'....change filters then

The most common by far 'It's hard enough to get a meet as I keep seeing profiles with won't meet bisexuals'....So instead you'll lie to them? How do we know not lying to us about being bi to increase your chances of a meet?

Some guys think that they stay straight with a tv as 'they were dressed as a woman and I didn't touch their bits' but otherwise having veri's when saying your straight is a bit dumb and if they were to stop thinking about what others might think and be honest with everyone a lot more fun might be had.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People throwing in the social line even though op states "sexual".

I'm glad they keep them on as it allows for informed choices to be made. "

Yeah I admit I didn't read the sexual line till after posting but I think the post is probably aimed at someone specific anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are people who will look at veries without reading them and assume there was sexual contact.

I have several verifications from men and TV's from socials and have had a number of messages assuming I'm bisexual because of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Straight guys don't willingly engage in same sex activity on a repeated basis....

However dishonest people seem to think otherwise,,,,

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By *aaLaaWoman
over a year ago

Pontesbury

I had this last night, so out if curiosity I actually read the veris, both were clearly stated to be from mmf's. Lucky girl somewhere

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

As a guy you could have a sexual verification from another guy if you'd played with the same girl in a threesome or moresome. It doesn't mean that any crossing of the streams occurred. And fab doesn't have an option for bi-playful, orally bi, hetero-flexible or situationally bi so straight might be the most accurate term out of the limited choice available but not in terms of where someone thinks they fit on a wider sexual spectrum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its called being hetro-flexible - someone who is straight but is up for but willing to experiment with someone of the same gender without being homosexual/bisexual.

I believe homosexual/bisexual isn't just about the physical sexual connection but the emotional too...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a Bi guy and am up front about my sexuality on here. I find honesty is the best policy though it does seem to limit my meeting potential."

That is just the kind of comment bi guys whether curious or fully bi don't need to see. It validates one of the excuses why they've put straight. When saying your bi it will only affect a small portion of potential meets. Admittly your honest so not likely to try get a meet through deception but think of all the couples, tv's and men that won't meet someone who says their bi but claim to be straight on profile and I bet they lose out on more meets then if were honest.

People try to find an excuse as to why they can't get a meet when really it boils down to bad profile, bad pics, bad message or because preferences dont match/other person doesn't find you attractive. Guys outnumber women by about 1000-1 and thats a generous estimate. Excuses like it's because I put I'm bi isnt helpful to the individual or to the site in general.

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By *eneral HysteriaMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


"What even is that? "

It's where you have a mate who you shared a mmf with and he verified you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its called being hetro-flexible - someone who is straight but is up for but willing to experiment with someone of the same gender without being homosexual/bisexual.

I believe homosexual/bisexual isn't just about the physical sexual connection but the emotional too... "

I actually feel the word 'sexual' fits the description perfectly well.

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By *r Man.Man
over a year ago

London

I've played with a couple and had a verification from them.

Now there profile has changed to been a single man.

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Shite! I've just realised that makes me gay

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By *unning linguist!Man
over a year ago

Essex Suffolk border

Bi / bi-curious vs straight. There are many definitions of what bisexuality is and it means different things to different people. For me it is the potential to be attracted, romantically to people of more than one sex, not necessarily at the same time, not necessarily in the same way and not necessarily to the same degree but the emphasis is on the emotional aspect. As such, some guys may consider themselves straight as they just want a limited purely physical and functional encounter with a male with no personal attraction present, ie mutual'o'/masturbation/or within a 3some. I consider myself belonging to this 'straight' group but for clarity and to avoid confusion I have put bi-curious on my profile. Whatever the case, labels are often unhelpful as they often encourage stigma towards those to whom the labels are attached - often arbitrarily..... it's also worth remembering that there will be a large section of the population who will quite happily condemn and stigmatise the users of this, and similar sites.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


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..... it's also worth remembering that there will be a large section of the population who will quite happily condemn and stigmatise the users of this, and similar sites. "

So true; I guess they too are making 'informed choices'

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By *ack LondonMan
over a year ago

London

Bi seems to be oh so cool with women. Ladies and gents seem so happy with it. But even in these 'enlightened' times bi and bi-curious males have a bit of a hard time. No pun intended!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Knickers well and truly twisted without looking into the meaning.

Play on.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I've verified a fair few straight chaps I've met at socials and parties. I always point this out in the actual verification that it was at a social, just to try to avoid this situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone really care!"

I imagine females who genuinely object to meeting men who engage is same sex activity might care,,,,,

Don't you agree?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"I've verified a fair few straight chaps I've met at socials and parties. I always point this out in the actual verification that it was at a social, just to try to avoid this situation. "

We know what happens at these, 'socials'

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I know of someone who was verified by a TV after they met socially at a club. The veri says they met socially at a club and he has it visible so people can see that. The guy has still been turned down several times for meets, (with different people, not the same one), because he's been verified by a TV!

That's utterly ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I know of someone who was verified by a TV after they met socially at a club. The veri says they met socially at a club and he has it visible so people can see that. The guy has still been turned down several times for meets, (with different people, not the same one), because he's been verified by a TV!

That's utterly ridiculous as far as I'm concerned."

I wish a few more would verify him then he might get desperate enough to shag me.

...wait...did I just type that out loud?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What even is that? "

Do you really not understand? If not then i think you have a problem!

I was on here once and my first verivecation was from a straight male, i am straight male also .

We metwhilst on a meet with a woman who wanted a mfm and she wasnt on fabs its as simple as that no hidden bi sexual tendancies as your trying make here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sad day when guys can verify one another without being branded gay

If it was at a party or social meet/Event it's fine otherwise It's still fine

Let's not start looking at woman verified by woman that are all STRAIGHT

Personally though I really see it being any of my business

Btw I need verified LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What even is that?

Do you really not understand? If not then i think you have a problem!

I was on here once and my first verivecation was from a straight male, i am straight male also .

We metwhilst on a meet with a woman who wanted a mfm and she wasnt on fabs its as simple as that no hidden bi sexual tendancies as your trying make here!"

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know of someone who was verified by a TV after they met socially at a club. The veri says they met socially at a club and he has it visible so people can see that. The guy has still been turned down several times for meets, (with different people, not the same one), because he's been verified by a TV!

That's utterly ridiculous as far as I'm concerned."

Totally agree

But their loss Hun eh. Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've verified a fair few straight chaps I've met at socials and parties. I always point this out in the actual verification that it was at a social, just to try to avoid this situation.

We know what happens at these, 'socials' "

Usually lots of fun with open minds and many different sexually habitual people

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

On a previous profile, I had a verification from a man - but had not asked for it. The problem was, I had not blocked men from messaging me (as some people are just decent enough to talk to, eh?) - but in doing so, that allows any guy to leave a verification.

Of course, I am able to just not display it on my profile, but it can't be removed from the verification summary. As I'm only actually interested in women & couples, I've unfortunately had to hide the summary.

But overall, I do find 'straight' guys who display 'descriptive' verifications from other men on their own profile's a bit odd. So, yeah.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I'd like to see the option of being able to remove veris completely, from the summary and all.

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By *ick51Man
over a year ago

castleford

Agree how they say there straight get me

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London


"I'd like to see the option of being able to remove veris completely, from the summary and all."

Completely agree. There's always the argument of "if it's a bad veri, it shouldn't be deleted" - but the user will just not display it, anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never bothered with this whole veri thing but ive had many a straight male here chatting on private and they really dont want to lose out on a chance with women...whatever..im bi and honest about it all..but each to their own ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd like to see the option of being able to remove veris completely, from the summary and all.

Completely agree. There's always the argument of "if it's a bad veri, it shouldn't be deleted" - but the user will just not display it, anyway. "

If you block the person the verification goes also

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sad day when guys can verify one another without being branded gay

If it was at a party or social meet/Event it's fine otherwise It's still fine

Let's not start looking at woman verified by woman that are all STRAIGHT

Personally though I really see it being any of my business

Btw I need verified LOL "

Yes I agree if social but I think the OP was referring to guys with full descriptive sex acts with TV`S and men.

I have met straight men socially and not thought to verify them, then again met them for more and not verified them when a disappointment and when good I have said so, in a verification. Its up to them to display there preferences and "label" I don't choose to show my verifications again for discretion. Whilst some have show all verifications from men TV`S woman and couples, each to there own I suppose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Show them the colour purple. If they're confused you've got a gay. Then give them something pink.

I sport a very good salmon shirt.

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By *nFairnessMan
over a year ago

The Four Corners

i'm antigenderist...my views are around that of ''who gives a fuck... sex is sex love is love.. attraction is attraction... '' who needs the drama that comes with boxes and labels.

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By *rivate auditionsMan
over a year ago

West Midlands


"I know of someone who was verified by a TV after they met socially at a club. The veri says they met socially at a club and he has it visible so people can see that. The guy has still been turned down several times for meets, (with different people, not the same one), because he's been verified by a TV!

That's utterly ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

Totally agree

But their loss Hun eh. Lol"

Have been asked a few times by couples i have met "Have you a few mates you can invite round the next time we come round to gangbang the wife?" and so i have invited some mates round or if not available looked on fabs to see who is local and fits the criteria,so if the guys verify me and say i am reliable & my parties are good!,it looks like i have seen more guys than women?,and i am asstraight as a die!.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"What even is that? "

Because for what's supposed to be a sexually liberated scene there are so many Judgey McJudgersons, people feel that they can't be honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't find women attractive at all but have done sexual stuff with them if they are around when a guys cock is. I know for a fact i wouldn't want to go with a woman on their own though, and in my head i'd prefer them not to be there and it be 2 guys.

It's called enjoying them moment and situation despite your beliefs."

If a woman touched me "in the heat of the moment" then I would stop the play and tell her to bugger off...although never got into this situation as I make it QUITE clear I don't play with women at the very start...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't find women attractive at all but have done sexual stuff with them if they are around when a guys cock is. I know for a fact i wouldn't want to go with a woman on their own though, and in my head i'd prefer them not to be there and it be 2 guys.

It's called enjoying them moment and situation despite your beliefs.

If a woman touched me "in the heat of the moment" then I would stop the play and tell her to bugger off...although never got into this situation as I make it QUITE clear I don't play with women at the very start..."

I wasn't bothered, i like 3sums, just would've prefered it to be 2 guys. And i didn't do anything i don't like doing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a verification from a bloke I met during a bi-curious phase in my sexual development, just some mutual wanking and sucking. Nothing to do with him, but soon after I decided I wasn't interested in meeting men as I didn't feel attracted to them. Also this wasn't my only bi encounter as I'd had a couple of threesomes and a couple of encounters in my teens and early 20s. So having had a change of feelings and no longer being interested, I changed my sexuality to straight again. A while later I joined the forum and slowly realised that actually I was really bisexual but very much driven by the situation and the particular people. Let's just say the journey can be confusing, bisexuality in guys is still in the early stages of being more readily accepted, and it is little wonder that some of these things appear on a site like this.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

It could be if he put bi curious or bisexual he might not get a meet with a lady or couple, as some people like to judge others.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Unfortunately profiles don't carry someone's sexuality history, merely their current statement.

People can be curious, have an experiment and decide they're straight. Or have friends of various sexualities, who can verify them. The Berlin wall between straight, bi and gay guys disappeared many years ago.

If anyone is concerned about a straight guy knowing a gay guy, then it would be unusual. That's different from couples etc who won't play with bi and gay men.

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