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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just wondering who would be happy to pay an extra 10p to help us farmers out ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why can't the supermarkets lose ten pence in profit and help you ?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I would. I think it's ridiculous that we can buy milk at less than it costs to produce it.

I only buy milk from Waitrose where they have a fair milk price policy. I don't buy much milk though so I'm not the buyer you have to convince.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Having been part of the farming community for most of my life I have seen various struggles I would pay the extra 10p but is it something a little to late for dairy farmers, I have known farmers to change what they produce completely because they were not making any money being a dairy farmer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I can't agree more but they have used milk as a lost leader to get people in.

We are not to bad as we are with waitrose but next door is only payed 19p per litre which dose not cover the cost of production

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Id be more than happy to pay more for milk x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My friends are all dairy farmers I know how hard they work. I help out on my pals farm. It long hours and 365 days a week .

Milk is a fantastic thing full of natural vitamins and minerals.

An extra ten pence a pint I nothing to save our dairy farmers. We pay a fortune for bottled water we don't need

Support the farmers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep, more than happy to pay more!

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

im afraid Farmboy that as with last weeks thread this will start of positive and in about half an hour it will be full of someones ideas on how you should get out if you cant manage on the peanuts you get for your milk ,,,,, and that because you dont ride a bike and get subsidies blah blah blah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm happy for this government to keep subsidising them with my taxes thanks. Sick of this government, bunch of scrooges when it comes to anyone but their own ilk and then they have plenty.

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By *ipsTeaserCouple
over a year ago

here and there, thereabouts

Yep id pay more.

People are so short sighted to not realise how damaging it is to force farmers out...once they are gone they are gone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. I would be happy to pay more, cos I rather wanna know our milk came from England than imported from eu.

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

I'd be more than happy to pay more, but the superstores need to as well

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

Okay okay ,,,, you have all proved me wrong ,

Welcome everyone to the hug a farmer thread

unless they have been spreading slurry

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

Asda charge 89 p for four pints of milk how can they make any from this?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only buy ty tanglwyst milk and butter from the ty tanglwyst dairy farm by my house, it supplies the milk for the spar and the other shops in my village and surrounding villages plus you can go there directly and buy stuff.

Also buy my fruit and veg from the farm behind my house and my hanging baskets, pumpkins, wreaths at Xmas it's open 3 days a week to the public and it's always busy. Plus in mega save shop they have a butchers at the back which sells meat from another farm in my village. Yes there's lots of farms here!

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Just wondering who would be happy to pay an extra 10p to help us farmers out ?"

Without a doubt... many things keep going up in price, why would I object to milk going up too. It's certainly not fair if the price paid doesn't cover the price of production.

Cal

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

I've probably been out of the whole farming malarkey for too long, so no longer understand the fiscal complexities of 'eat grass, milk, sell milk', but isn't farmer's two largest costs

1) repayment of capital costs of machinery to take the labour out of farming so they could do other things, and

2) farm rents, paid to the wealthy landowners.

So surely any extra profit would simply see an increase in farm rents, and the farmers would be back at square 1.

I know we all hear so much about 'cost of production', but isn't this why we need to scrap the subsidies, not increase them?

(Sorry, but someone had to be Devil's Advocate, we all know that if shop a sells milk 10p cheaper, the vast majority will buy it)

Mr ddc

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"Asda charge 89 p for four pints of milk how can they make any from this?. "

I don't think they do. That is the very definition of a 'loss leader'.

What I don't understand is how they can then be criticised for profiteering when making said loss...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The main reason the dairy industry has been hit is due to the stop of imports into Russia who were buying large quantitys of British dairy products that's why the price fell on so many contracts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've probably been out of the whole farming malarkey for too long, so no longer understand the fiscal complexities of 'eat grass, milk, sell milk', but isn't farmer's two largest costs

1) repayment of capital costs of machinery to take the labour out of farming so they could do other things, and

2) farm rents, paid to the wealthy landowners.

So surely any extra profit would simply see an increase in farm rents, and the farmers would be back at square 1.

I know we all hear so much about 'cost of production', but isn't this why we need to scrap the subsidies, not increase them?

(Sorry, but someone had to be Devil's Advocate, we all know that if shop a sells milk 10p cheaper, the vast majority will buy it)

Mr ddc"

Scab.... Stone him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one mentions the Milk Marketing Board, as was, and it's dissolution in 1994.

I was milking then and the farms were glad to see the back of it and the supermarkets welcomed us with open arms/claws.

They offered good money, for the first couple of years and then it was downhill from there.

Stupid mistake.

Family farms on low incomes are no match to market forces and the average age of farmers on small farms is rising as the younger generation think "fook that" and find a cleaner, less dangerous job with more sociable hours.

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By *arymore1Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Just wondering who would be happy to pay an extra 10p to help us farmers out ?"

will you be willing to pay above market price for my services?? I suspect not, market forces, too much milk means too low a price, that's what the rest of us have to deal with, get used to it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone know roughly how much milk you wanna get from a cow these days... I mean how many pints a day?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps. But we already buy 12+ pints a week as well as paying £45 a year for our daughters school milk so I already feel we're spending a lot on it already!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"The main reason the dairy industry has been hit is due to the stop of imports into Russia who were buying large quantitys of British dairy products that's why the price fell on so many contracts "

That can't be right, Dairy farmers have been on about this for years. Russia will still be buying milk from someone else, so globally demand should be the same.

If you google "milk subsidies uk" you'll find an interesting report by the Adam Smith Institute. (Not sure I'd be allowed to post the link)

Part of the problem is farmland has always been exempt from Inheritance Tax so wealthy people see it as a good way of passing on their wealth, pushing up land and rental prices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aww have a look at the videos on the site ty tanglwyst dairy, it's just down the road from my house!

It's a brilliant farm and they have open days all the time so you can go and watch the cows being milked and it is the nicest milk around!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Does anyone know roughly how much milk you wanna get from a cow these days... I mean how many pints a day?"

Each one of our cows produces around 10,000 litres a year so 38 litres a day then down to 22 near their drying off period

Cost to produce one litre is around 17-21p

As milk prices drop feed prices don't go down they go up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone know roughly how much milk you wanna get from a cow these days... I mean how many pints a day?

Each one of our cows produces around 10,000 litres a year so 38 litres a day then down to 22 near their drying off period

Cost to produce one litre is around 17-21p

As milk prices drop feed prices don't go down they go up "
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80 odd pints a day!

Do you ever think... We just ask to much from nature

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

That's down to the breed of cows we have down the road a guy only get 6,500 litres a years so around 25 litres max

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't mind paying

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


" As milk prices drop feed prices don't go down they go up "

Presumably you don't grow your own silage then?

Who controls.the feed prices - is that the supermarkets, or, hang on, is it the cereal farmers?....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's down to the breed of cows we have down the road a guy only get 6,500 litres a years so around 25 litres max "
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What do you think the average cow would yield, without the modern practises....ie What did your dad's generation get from a cow

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" As milk prices drop feed prices don't go down they go up

Presumably you don't grow your own silage then?

Who controls.the feed prices - is that the supermarkets, or, hang on, is it the cereal farmers?....

"

We grow silage (grass and maize ) but have to buy in minerals ect and top up feeds

Cows the say the 50s were yielding 8-9 and half k a year but with different breeding and diet you can get some that will produce 13,000 liters a year

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"That's down to the breed of cows we have down the road a guy only get 6,500 litres a years so around 25 litres max .

What do you think the average cow would yield, without the modern practises....ie What did your dad's generation get from a cow"

Then couple that to health advice telling us to eat less butter and cream, thereby reducing demand.

Voilà

The true culprit is revealed.

Subsidies preventing market forces rebalancing supply and demand.

Sorry Farmboy, but if it wasn't good enough for the mining/steelworking/car manufacturing/shipbuilding/textile etc etc industries....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The grain price is controlled but grain buys who buy and self on the stock market

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"The grain price is controlled but grain buys who buy and self on the stock market "

The cereal farmers simply sell to the highest bidder. Do you blame them?

How big is your herd?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's down to the breed of cows we have down the road a guy only get 6,500 litres a years so around 25 litres max .

What do you think the average cow would yield, without the modern practises....ie What did your dad's generation get from a cow

Then couple that to health advice telling us to eat less butter and cream, thereby reducing demand.

Voilà

The true culprit is revealed.

Subsidies preventing market forces rebalancing supply and demand.

Sorry Farmboy, but if it wasn't good enough for the mining/steelworking/car manufacturing/shipbuilding/textile etc etc industries...."
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Over production!

Who'd have thought it

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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Sorry Farmboy, but if it wasn't good enough for the mining/steelworking/car manufacturing/shipbuilding/textile etc etc industries...."

The unions killed mining off always going on strike same with the cars

Britain has never supported manufacturing ( not a good idea)

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston

Don't mind paying a little more as long as it goes into farmers pockets, that being said if more milk is being produced than needed some are going too have to change what they do or go udder, its the same for any business.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Don't mind paying a little more as long as it goes into farmers pockets, that being said if more milk is being produced than needed some are going too have to change what they do or go udder, its the same for any business."

We buy milk from France at more than we pay British producers

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

It's not just the supermarkets as the food processors set prices as well. I support a fair price but in the real world if the choice available the lower price point for a commodity product wins. Different for manufacturers where quality and features are as important as price.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Weren't there eu milk lakes and butter mountains.

I can remember my grandparents talking about the free butter when u showed your pension book at the church hall. Early 80s?

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston


"Don't mind paying a little more as long as it goes into farmers pockets, that being said if more milk is being produced than needed some are going too have to change what they do or go udder, its the same for any business.

We buy milk from France at more than we pay British producers "
cant say I know anything about that, if its true someone should change it, personally i try to buy British where I can, just hope that's nit a ruse like it us with wine. Nit that I can remember which way it works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Weren't there eu milk lakes and butter mountains.

I can remember my grandparents talking about the free butter when u showed your pension book at the church hall. Early 80s?"

I vaguely remember them being mentioned in the news then yeah, not sure who got free stuff.

Think my mum used to say that's why opinion kept changing on what food was good for you, so that we'd use up whatever there was too much of.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"What do you think the average cow would yield, without the modern practises....ie What did your dad's generation get from a cow"

"Forty years ago, the average dairy cow was producing less than 4,000 litres a year. Today, in optimum indoor conditions, one cow can produce more than 11,000 litres."

The real worry is that in seeking increased profits, farmers are increasingly moving towards intensive systems where the cows never go outside, and spend their whole life in a pen.

We have pretty much got rid of battery hens, but cows are going the other way.

Plus intensive farming, and the close priximity it entails, always leads to increased health problems (though we can always blame the badgers?)

OP: you never answered the size of your herd, nor whether you are a tenant farmer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill "

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all? "

They have been subject to a competition inquiry...and was found guilty..many of the farmers problems are derived from being weak negotiators

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all?

They have been subject to a competition inquiry...and was found guilty..many of the farmers problems are derived from being weak negotiators "

This applies too any company when it comes too dealing with supermarkets, they have way too much influence and money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all?

They have been subject to a competition inquiry...and was found guilty..many of the farmers problems are derived from being weak negotiators "

Just Googled it, pathetic fine for a very serious crime. Collusion = corruption. BAE systems got a £288m fine for corruption and Tesco get £6.5m!!! Tesco 2013 profit = £3.3bn, BAE systems 2014 profit = £1.3bn.

The way to deal with this kind of bullshit is to fine the fuckers in a way that makes their shareholders want them to not do it. If shareholders don't get their dividend for the year then you can bet tesco will think twice. £6.5 is a pathetic figure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all?

They have been subject to a competition inquiry...and was found guilty..many of the farmers problems are derived from being weak negotiators

This applies too any company when it comes too dealing with supermarkets, they have way too much influence and money."

Only if the company has weak negotiators

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


" Only if the company has weak negotiators "

Not necessarily.

You could have top-notch negotiators, but if it's a buyer's market because of over-production...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all?

They have been subject to a competition inquiry...and was found guilty..many of the farmers problems are derived from being weak negotiators

Just Googled it, pathetic fine for a very serious crime. Collusion = corruption. BAE systems got a £288m fine for corruption and Tesco get £6.5m!!! Tesco 2013 profit = £3.3bn, BAE systems 2014 profit = £1.3bn.

The way to deal with this kind of bullshit is to fine the fuckers in a way that makes their shareholders want them to not do it. If shareholders don't get their dividend for the year then you can bet tesco will think twice. £6.5 is a pathetic figure. "

I agree it is...but i work for a food manufacturer...its still down to wear negotiators...and being bullied by the buyer...and to be greed from the farmers at the outset

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all?

They have been subject to a competition inquiry...and was found guilty..many of the farmers problems are derived from being weak negotiators

Just Googled it, pathetic fine for a very serious crime. Collusion = corruption. BAE systems got a £288m fine for corruption and Tesco get £6.5m!!! Tesco 2013 profit = £3.3bn, BAE systems 2014 profit = £1.3bn.

The way to deal with this kind of bullshit is to fine the fuckers in a way that makes their shareholders want them to not do it. If shareholders don't get their dividend for the year then you can bet tesco will think twice. £6.5 is a pathetic figure.

I agree it is...but i work for a food manufacturer...its still down to wear negotiators...and being bullied by the buyer...and to be greed from the farmers at the outset "

weak not wear lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Asda charge 89 p for four pints of milk how can they make any from this?. "

They don't have to. They make plenty of money from other products. Milk is a staple they sell like bread. Both cheap but we don't only go in Asda for bread and milk.

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all?

They have been subject to a competition inquiry...and was found guilty..many of the farmers problems are derived from being weak negotiators

This applies too any company when it comes too dealing with supermarkets, they have way too much influence and money.

Only if the company has weak negotiators "
it's not about weak negotiators, when you have a company in the ftse 100 who have the price they sell their products dictated too them by supermarkets there is clearly something wrong. They have too much power and can determine if a company thrives or withers, small businesses don't stand a chance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all?

They have been subject to a competition inquiry...and was found guilty..many of the farmers problems are derived from being weak negotiators

This applies too any company when it comes too dealing with supermarkets, they have way too much influence and money.

Only if the company has weak negotiators it's not about weak negotiators, when you have a company in the ftse 100 who have the price they sell their products dictated too them by supermarkets there is clearly something wrong. They have too much power and can determine if a company thrives or withers, small businesses don't stand a chance."

Rubbish to be honest..its weakness..i know this...i've dealt with Asda and Tesco to a lesser extent...an example one of the big four supermarkets demanded £500.000 just to list our products...they have sales of about £15 million....we took it back to our MD of the company...he told us to tell them basically to get F---ked..and delist us...guess what happened...they backed down...reason was we wasnt scared to be bullied by them

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all?

They have been subject to a competition inquiry...and was found guilty..many of the farmers problems are derived from being weak negotiators

This applies too any company when it comes too dealing with supermarkets, they have way too much influence and money.

Only if the company has weak negotiators it's not about weak negotiators, when you have a company in the ftse 100 who have the price they sell their products dictated too them by supermarkets there is clearly something wrong. They have too much power and can determine if a company thrives or withers, small businesses don't stand a chance.

Rubbish to be honest..its weakness..i know this...i've dealt with Asda and Tesco to a lesser extent...an example one of the big four supermarkets demanded £500.000 just to list our products...they have sales of about £15 million....we took it back to our MD of the company...he told us to tell them basically to get F---ked..and delist us...guess what happened...they backed down...reason was we wasnt scared to be bullied by them "
if you have a lot of competitors and they delist your product you stand to lose a lot and not just from them but from the ongoing publicity, I'm not talking about 10's of millions but rather hundreds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all?

They have been subject to a competition inquiry...and was found guilty..many of the farmers problems are derived from being weak negotiators

This applies too any company when it comes too dealing with supermarkets, they have way too much influence and money.

Only if the company has weak negotiators it's not about weak negotiators, when you have a company in the ftse 100 who have the price they sell their products dictated too them by supermarkets there is clearly something wrong. They have too much power and can determine if a company thrives or withers, small businesses don't stand a chance.

Rubbish to be honest..its weakness..i know this...i've dealt with Asda and Tesco to a lesser extent...an example one of the big four supermarkets demanded £500.000 just to list our products...they have sales of about £15 million....we took it back to our MD of the company...he told us to tell them basically to get F---ked..and delist us...guess what happened...they backed down...reason was we wasnt scared to be bullied by them "

Always love anecdotal examples rather than facts. How good the deal you can negotiate depends on both skill and negotiation position. But it's much more about position than skill. Don't argue that point, just go argue with Michael Porter and his five forces if you disagree.

Furthermore, courts have proved it's a rigged market so it doesn't matter how good you think you are at negotiation, if people are illegally colluding against you then you are screwed.

To call farmers greedy is quite a stretch, the average farmer works much longer hours than the average supermarket supply chain manager.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Scandalous the way farmers are treat in this country.fuck tesco/asda/sainsbury etc.....support your local produce....good luck it's an uphill battle,but didn't the yanks win hamberger hill

Isn't this the real point. The price at the end is the symptom of the disease which is the way an oligopoly of supermarkets abuse their power over smaller farms. Since all farms are smaller than supermarkets, I mean that the supermarkets just abuse everyone.

Is this not what we have the competiton and markets authority for? Don't tell me it's another regulator that does fuck all?

They have been subject to a competition inquiry...and was found guilty..many of the farmers problems are derived from being weak negotiators

This applies too any company when it comes too dealing with supermarkets, they have way too much influence and money.

Only if the company has weak negotiators it's not about weak negotiators, when you have a company in the ftse 100 who have the price they sell their products dictated too them by supermarkets there is clearly something wrong. They have too much power and can determine if a company thrives or withers, small businesses don't stand a chance.

Rubbish to be honest..its weakness..i know this...i've dealt with Asda and Tesco to a lesser extent...an example one of the big four supermarkets demanded £500.000 just to list our products...they have sales of about £15 million....we took it back to our MD of the company...he told us to tell them basically to get F---ked..and delist us...guess what happened...they backed down...reason was we wasnt scared to be bullied by them

Always love anecdotal examples rather than facts. How good the deal you can negotiate depends on both skill and negotiation position. But it's much more about position than skill. Don't argue that point, just go argue with Michael Porter and his five forces if you disagree.

Furthermore, courts have proved it's a rigged market so it doesn't matter how good you think you are at negotiation, if people are illegally colluding against you then you are screwed.

To call farmers greedy is quite a stretch, the average farmer works much longer hours than the average supermarket supply chain manager."

Agreed..and the farmers are in a great position...but dont they sell the milk on to a third party..who then sells it on to the supermarkets...and some of the milk manufacturers were also implicated in the inquiry not just the supermarkets

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just wondering who would be happy to pay an extra 10p to help us farmers out ?"

Most certainly...be willing to pay much more than a lousy 2 bob...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What do you think the average cow would yield, without the modern practises....ie What did your dad's generation get from a cow

"Forty years ago, the average dairy cow was producing less than 4,000 litres a year. Today, in optimum indoor conditions, one cow can produce more than 11,000 litres."

The real worry is that in seeking increased profits, farmers are increasingly moving towards intensive systems where the cows never go outside, and spend their whole life in a pen.

We have pretty much got rid of battery hens, but cows are going the other way.

Plus intensive farming, and the close priximity it entails, always leads to increased health problems (though we can always blame the badgers?)

OP: you never answered the size of your herd, nor whether you are a tenant farmer?"

The New Zealand breed of cows ( black and white ones ) ( holstines) have the ability to produce 10,000 liters no problem. Ours cows are out in the summer but in , in the winter months due to weather. But even then if it's hot the cows will stay in the barn even though they have the option to go out side. We have built sheds that are an environment for them that is perfect they are on deep sand beds Which are cleaned every day and topped up with more sand on a Friday.

Our heard is 340 plus calves but this year we plan on increasing to 370 to try and get economies of scale. Regarding tb or as you put it they are proven to carry it and with it being spread even more. ( sussex wild life trust are being convicted of moving tb infected badger round the country)

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

So at 10p extra a pint, 350 cows, producing 11,000 litres a year, you're asking for a miserly extra £673,750?

(Is that right?)

Not even Scargill asked for that much!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Also, if every farmer tries to get around the problem of over-production by increasing the size of their herd....

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over a year ago

I think a major problem we have is that most people have lost the connection they used to have from the food they eat and milk they drink.

We have become accustomed to cheap food prices due to imports and supermarket price wars.

Our farmers work long hours in every possible weather conditions.

Yes we have EU subsidies, and they are essential.British Farmers work to the highest standards and strictest guidelines in the world.

Most farmers work their farm by day and in the evening they are administrators, heaps of paper work .

How many of us would work long hours 365 days a year.

We need our farmers, they feed us .

People need to realise what an amazing product milk is . Its a fantastic supplier of essential vitamins and minerals that support us all. We buy pointless energy drinks , we don't mind paying high prices for them, yet the best energy drink milk we quibble over prices.

So an extra 10p per litre is a bargain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP...is it not just this tho.... Also world market price for things like butter, cheese etc.

Russia banned EU imports, China over producing and under consuming.....simply too much milk sloshing around.

Hard to fight simple economics of supply and demand......though yes I would pay more if it helps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP, how much do you receive in subsidies each year?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So at 10p extra a pint, 350 cows, producing 11,000 litres a year, you're asking for a miserly extra £673,750?

(Is that right?)

Not even Scargill asked for that much!

"

Lets be open and honest about industry too. I worked for a major manufacturer. All big companies receive EU and uk government subsidies too. Only they call them investment.

Every major manufacturer goes to local development agencies for cash when building new sites or installing new plant machinery. Threating job losses if they dont get investment.

The company I worked for received three million from the Welsh Assembly for a new automated press. To shape steel. There was a three year tie in to keep the plant open.

The day the three years was up, the company announced the plant was unprofitable and closed us down . Moving the kit to Russia .

So all industries receive subsidies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh dear Poor farmers, you only focus on one thing which may be detrimental to them however Don't farmers get huge subsid0ies for set aside land, this should offset the loss of profit for milk production, basically money for doing nothing.

Also with the demand for increased housing, farmers are selling land for huge amounts of money to developers.

The farmers around here don't worry about upsetting my views, they are selling land opposite and around the village without a care for the locals and reaping huge profits, then purchasing brand new 4 x 4's and machinery to make their life even easier ... so no I object to farmers whinging, they still vote tory don't they even after having this done to them if they were that upset by low prices they would of used their vote elsewhere!!!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

You're right Taff. We buy all our meat from a local butcher/farmer, and you really can tell the difference, so I like the fact that Athena can source her own milk the same way.

I'm also very aware that I'm probably sounding a bit heartless, but it bugs me a bit when people get other's hopes up. It's a bit like everyone says "Of course I'll pay an extra 5p in tax to save the NHS", then vote for the other lot.

The truth is no, the majority of people just want cheap food, and won't actually pay more. And whilever some farmers choose to chase extra profit by increasing production, others will be forced to the wall. We don't need more milk.

Interestingly, because our butcher cuts out the middlemen, his meat is no more expensive than normal supermarket food.

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Poor farmer,s they got rid of the milk man selling there milf to the markets in the first place now the get dictated what they are going to get paid for the milk they have brought it upon there self

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We keep asking nature to give more and more and more, in this case we take cows and breed them and naturally select them from yields, and then we get round the genetic weaknesses of our tinkering with more antibiotics and more steroids and then we genetically engineer the cows because the antibiotics and the steroids are causing problems.... And for what, to produce more milk than we need and then to turn those farmers into other jobs of yet more stuff we don't need, to plough over fields for housing for more people we don't need.... But don't worry it's all progress, yeah we'll cause a shit load of problems from the progress and we'll advance ways to cure the problems we caused with the progress!.

Just because we can do something, doesn't mean we have to do something, it is possible to select where we progress, it doesn't have to be unfettered like some Frankenstein capitalistic monster.

You know all those bees that are mysteriously dying, I think they've just thought fuck it, it's not worth it, every fucking time we pollinate more they just want more next year and take more of our honey of us in return.... And its not fucking possible because I'm just a little bee, working my ass off for less and less.

So fuck you do your own pollinating!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh dear Poor farmers, you only focus on one thing which may be detrimental to them however Don't farmers get huge subsid0ies for set aside land, this should offset the loss of profit for milk production, basically money for doing nothing.

Also with the demand for increased housing, farmers are selling land for huge amounts of money to developers.

The farmers around here don't worry about upsetting my views, they are selling land opposite and around the village without a care for the locals and reaping huge profits, then purchasing brand new 4 x 4's and machinery to make their life even easier ... so no I object to farmers whinging, they still vote tory don't they even after having this done to them if they were that upset by low prices they would of used their vote elsewhere!!!"

So anyone who votes Tory is evil and deserves all misfortune that comes their way? That's your point basically.

All these farmers going around buying machinery, increasing their productivity - it's outrageous! Why don't they just milk 350 cows a day by hand the lazy bastard's? Shouldn't they be cutting crops with scissors to save money on harvesters too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're right Taff. We buy all our meat from a local butcher/farmer, and you really can tell the difference, so I like the fact that Athena can source her own milk the same way.

I'm also very aware that I'm probably sounding a bit heartless, but it bugs me a bit when people get other's hopes up. It's a bit like everyone says "Of course I'll pay an extra 5p in tax to save the NHS", then vote for the other lot.

The truth is no, the majority of people just want cheap food, and won't actually pay more. And whilever some farmers choose to chase extra profit by increasing production, others will be forced to the wall. We don't need more milk.

Interestingly, because our butcher cuts out the middlemen, his meat is no more expensive than normal supermarket food."

I shop local and try to eat seasonal too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh dear Poor farmers, you only focus on one thing which may be detrimental to them however Don't farmers get huge subsid0ies for set aside land, this should offset the loss of profit for milk production, basically money for doing nothing.

Also with the demand for increased housing, farmers are selling land for huge amounts of money to developers.

The farmers around here don't worry about upsetting my views, they are selling land opposite and around the village without a care for the locals and reaping huge profits, then purchasing brand new 4 x 4's and machinery to make their life even easier ... so no I object to farmers whinging, they still vote tory don't they even after having this done to them if they were that upset by low prices they would of used their vote elsewhere!!!

So anyone who votes Tory is evil and deserves all misfortune that comes their way? That's your point basically.

All these farmers going around buying machinery, increasing their productivity - it's outrageous! Why don't they just milk 350 cows a day by hand the lazy bastard's? Shouldn't they be cutting crops with scissors to save money on harvesters too? "

In a nutshell l

Youve picked on one single point in my post, obviously your a tory voter and objected to any criticism of your preferred party.

My point was actually regarding the thread title, farmers bleating about low milk prices, ignoring the fact they get European subsidies for set aside land this was my remark regarding getting money for nothing . They also get subsidies for other things also, and my point about their vehicles is you dont see them driving about in clapped out cortinas do you usually top of the range BMW's now call me scepticle but that doesnt appear to be people who are struggling to make ends meet due to low milk prices and now with demand for housing these poor landowners are reaping millions of pounds instead of reaping fields , but go on defend your beloved tory party, youll be stating how bad the gentry are next due to fox hunting being banned and will start a petition to have it legalised i expect... Well tally ho chase that fox tory !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh dear Poor farmers, you only focus on one thing which may be detrimental to them however Don't farmers get huge subsid0ies for set aside land, this should offset the loss of profit for milk production, basically money for doing nothing.

Also with the demand for increased housing, farmers are selling land for huge amounts of money to developers.

The farmers around here don't worry about upsetting my views, they are selling land opposite and around the village without a care for the locals and reaping huge profits, then purchasing brand new 4 x 4's and machinery to make their life even easier ... so no I object to farmers whinging, they still vote tory don't they even after having this done to them if they were that upset by low prices they would of used their vote elsewhere!!!

So anyone who votes Tory is evil and deserves all misfortune that comes their way? That's your point basically.

All these farmers going around buying machinery, increasing their productivity - it's outrageous! Why don't they just milk 350 cows a day by hand the lazy bastard's? Shouldn't they be cutting crops with scissors to save money on harvesters too?

In a nutshell l

Youve picked on one single point in my post, obviously your a tory voter and objected to any criticism of your preferred party.

My point was actually regarding the thread title, farmers bleating about low milk prices, ignoring the fact they get European subsidies for set aside land this was my remark regarding getting money for nothing . They also get subsidies for other things also, and my point about their vehicles is you dont see them driving about in clapped out cortinas do you usually top of the range BMW's now call me scepticle but that doesnt appear to be people who are struggling to make ends meet due to low milk prices and now with demand for housing these poor landowners are reaping millions of pounds instead of reaping fields , but go on defend your beloved tory party, youll be stating how bad the gentry are next due to fox hunting being banned and will start a petition to have it legalised i expect... Well tally ho chase that fox tory !!"

So because I resent people being ostracised for voting for one of the major political parties it obviously means I vote for them?

Great logic and wrong. Do not pass go and do not collect £200. I'll make some proper criticisms of the Tory party to show you the difference between being objective and trolling:

- there was absolutely no need to extend the period new workers don't get to claim unfair dismissal from 1 years to 2.

- we were promised the defecit would be eliminated and they've only halved it. #fail

- the reason the EU referendum is when it is, is to help kill UKIP because Cameron is playing politics with it rather than putting the interests of the nation first

- why the fudge are well selling bank shares below the price to earnings ratio they could reasonably be expected to fetch before the end of parliament?

See how that works?

Now I don't know what rose tinted glasses you view farms through but it takes incredible hours and work ethic to keep a farm going. So even if farmers were living large off subsidies, which they ain't, it would still be fuck all as an hourly rate. They sell perishable goods to an oligopoly which is the real reason they struggle to get proper market prices. Subsidies only partially compensate for that.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"Yep, more than happy to pay more! "

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

No. I shouldn't pay more for anything.

Who ever made the mess needs to sort it out.

I don't know any farmer with less than me.

I don't buy milk ......

S'fucking disgusting.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Yep id pay more.

People are so short sighted to not realise how damaging it is to force farmers out...once they are gone they are gone. "

It's all going Tollpuddle again Mavis !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would gladly pay 10 or 20 pence more! At the moment it's cheaper than bottled water!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Do you know where milk comes from ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh dear Poor farmers, you only focus on one thing which may be detrimental to them however Don't farmers get huge subsid0ies for set aside land, this should offset the loss of profit for milk production, basically money for doing nothing.

Also with the demand for increased housing, farmers are selling land for huge amounts of money to developers.

The farmers around here don't worry about upsetting my views, they are selling land opposite and around the village without a care for the locals and reaping huge profits, then purchasing brand new 4 x 4's and machinery to make their life even easier ... so no I object to farmers whinging, they still vote tory don't they even after having this done to them if they were that upset by low prices they would of used their vote elsewhere!!!

So anyone who votes Tory is evil and deserves all misfortune that comes their way? That's your point basically.

All these farmers going around buying machinery, increasing their productivity - it's outrageous! Why don't they just milk 350 cows a day by hand the lazy bastard's? Shouldn't they be cutting crops with scissors to save money on harvesters too?

In a nutshell l

Youve picked on one single point in my post, obviously your a tory voter and objected to any criticism of your preferred party.

My point was actually regarding the thread title, farmers bleating about low milk prices, ignoring the fact they get European subsidies for set aside land this was my remark regarding getting money for nothing . They also get subsidies for other things also, and my point about their vehicles is you dont see them driving about in clapped out cortinas do you usually top of the range BMW's now call me scepticle but that doesnt appear to be people who are struggling to make ends meet due to low milk prices and now with demand for housing these poor landowners are reaping millions of pounds instead of reaping fields , but go on defend your beloved tory party, youll be stating how bad the gentry are next due to fox hunting being banned and will start a petition to have it legalised i expect... Well tally ho chase that fox tory !!

So because I resent people being ostracised for voting for one of the major political parties it obviously means I vote for them?

Great logic and wrong. Do not pass go and do not collect £200. I'll make some proper criticisms of the Tory party to show you the difference between being objective and trolling:

- there was absolutely no need to extend the period new workers don't get to claim unfair dismissal from 1 years to 2.

- we were promised the defecit would be eliminated and they've only halved it. #fail

- the reason the EU referendum is when it is, is to help kill UKIP because Cameron is playing politics with it rather than putting the interests of the nation first

- why the fudge are well selling bank shares below the price to earnings ratio they could reasonably be expected to fetch before the end of parliament?

See how that works?

Now I don't know what rose tinted glasses you view farms through but it takes incredible hours and work ethic to keep a farm going. So even if farmers were living large off subsidies, which they ain't, it would still be fuck all as an hourly rate. They sell perishable goods to an oligopoly which is the real reason they struggle to get proper market prices. Subsidies only partially compensate for that."

If farming was that bad for little reward they wouldnt do it would they and to state they are on a poor hourly rate you don't see many people on the minimum wage driving BMW x5's with their wives driving x3's and their unworking kids driving brand new cars paid for by daddies farming subsidies do we.

Explain to a hardworking single parent that she has to pay more for her milk to ensure the farmers maintain their standard of living.

I hate all political parties they are all corrupt, i just hate the tories more than the others including UKIP.

If they could get away with it they would scrap the minimum wage, they believe in eliteism where the masses work to imrove the profits of the few.

Labour are little better, we were all happy to get away from the union strong days where they would strike for any reason.

But back to milk, it,s simple if farmers make little profit from producing and selling it, diversify and move to producing something which does make a profit.

And to be honest the farmers protest was laughable you couldnt script it, who dreamed up that baby?

I know im going to protest, im going to raid supermarkets, clear the shelves go to the checkouts and pay 20p a litre more than the supermarket paid me and then go out and give it away. If i was the supermarket manager id be rubbing my hands, id be on to the dairy asking for another 100,000 litres its flying off the shelves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

But back to milk, it,s simple if farmers make little profit from producing and selling it, diversify and move to producing something which does make a profit.

"

Firstly your sample of farmers and their BMW's up the ying yang simply isn't representative. My ex was an accountant and most of her clients were farmers. They were not milking it. You can buy most of their accounts on companies house for £1 and verify that fact.

Second, capital intensive industries can't just up and change overnight the way a hairdresser can retrain as a nail technician. Why do you think car manufacturers persist with an industry that barely recovers the cost of its capital?

There are huge sunk costs, a lot of accumulated knowledge that isn't very transferable and frankly most farmers are well suited to farming. It takes balls to get up at dark o clock come rain or shine. I wouldn't do it, I like my air conditioned office too much. I know farmers who are literally speaking, illiterate. They are in their 50's and way past the point they are going to learn to read and write. I think it's great they can be proper participants in our economic system with a decent job rather indefinately being placed on the unemployment list. They wouldn't even get jobs stacking shelves.

Their problems are the industry structure, not a lack of demand for the product or productivity with the supplier. If a market doesn't work properly then that's what regulators are for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As some mentioned previously the dairy farmers are a victim of their own greed and bad decision making.

Many used to be in a dairy consortium with their own bottling plants and lovely local milkmen to deliver the product. They then got an offer they couldnt refuse.

Make all the milkmen redudant, get rid of the bottling plants which employed many locals, sell the product to the highest bidder which meant great profits for minimal outlay.

But then the corporate strength of the supermarket chain flexed its mighty arm and dictated the price it was willing to pay for the product and now they are whinging about it, didnt hear them whinging when they were getting a good price, and didnt hear many apologies from them to the people they made redundant, only the expression its market forces, well unfortunately for them market forces have returned to bite them well and truely in the ass, divine retribution some would say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never met a poor farmer yet ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think a major problem we have is that most people have lost the connection they used to have from the food they eat and milk they drink.

We have become accustomed to cheap food prices due to imports and supermarket price wars.

Our farmers work long hours in every possible weather conditions.

Yes we have EU subsidies, and they are essential.British Farmers work to the highest standards and strictest guidelines in the world.

Most farmers work their farm by day and in the evening they are administrators, heaps of paper work .

How many of us would work long hours 365 days a year.

We need our farmers, they feed us .

People need to realise what an amazing product milk is . Its a fantastic supplier of essential vitamins and minerals that support us all. We buy pointless energy drinks , we don't mind paying high prices for them, yet the best energy drink milk we quibble over prices.

So an extra 10p per litre is a bargain. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just wondering who would be happy to pay an extra 10p to help us farmers out ?"

Let's be honest they could put it up an extra 50p and people would still buy it, milk is just one of those products people will buy

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

yet again i read a lot of crap about what misinformed folk think about us folk who work on the land .

set aside has gone ,,,, in someways it did us the farmers some good , at a time when prices were in the doldrums it took 15% of crops out of the grain stores and pushed prices up a bit ,,,, but the money recieved for set asiding the land didnt cover the costs so let me assure you it was not money for nothing

then someone mentioned about farmers driving around in bmw 5 series and there wifes driving around in 3 series ,,,, yeah right , not around here they dont , usually a beat up old estate car or old discovery which is heading towards 200 k miles ,,,, my old disco has 180 k on the clock , is as rough as nails but does the job i bought it for [2nd hand i might add , cant afford a new car]

I for one would love to be able to farm with out subsidies ,,,, but they will unfortunately be always there ,,,, because Brussels needs a carrot to dangle in front of us to make us toe the line

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


"Just wondering who would be happy to pay an extra 10p to help us farmers out ?

Let's be honest they could put it up an extra 50p and people would still buy it, milk is just one of those products fat people will buy"

true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think of the first man to ever try milk??? How did that come about???

Did he just see a cow and start sucking on some udders??? If so what else was this man willing to do!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Think of the first man to ever try milk??? How did that come about???

Did he just see a cow and start sucking on some udders??? If so what else was this man willing to do! "

I'd like to think he saw a calf doing it and figured there was something good at the end. But nice to see you have an active imagination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Think of the first man to ever try milk??? How did that come about???

Did he just see a cow and start sucking on some udders??? If so what else was this man willing to do!

I'd like to think he saw a calf doing it and figured there was something good at the end. But nice to see you have an active imagination "

Hahaha that makes a lot of sense!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Think of the first man to ever try milk??? How did that come about???

Did he just see a cow and start sucking on some udders??? If so what else was this man willing to do!

I'd like to think he saw a calf doing it and figured there was something good at the end. But nice to see you have an active imagination

Hahaha that makes a lot of sense! "

Now how the heck did the first man realise you could ride horses???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was probably a shortage of food, people become more resourceful when there's shortages. They saw that cows had something they could eat.

That's why people eat flies and that, it's their best source of food but we wouldn't touch them coz we have other stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There was probably a shortage of food, people become more resourceful when there's shortages. They saw that cows had something they could eat.

That's why people eat flies and that, it's their best source of food but we wouldn't touch them coz we have other stuff."

Flies??? Who eats flies? Lol They eat insects like crickets ect sod eating a big fat blue bottle for lunch!

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By *epper123Woman
over a year ago

London


"Just wondering who would be happy to pay an extra 10p to help us farmers out ?"

Prefer to help the cows out and buy soya milk ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Think of the first man to ever try milk??? How did that come about???

Did he just see a cow and start sucking on some udders??? If so what else was this man willing to do!

I'd like to think he saw a calf doing it and figured there was something good at the end. But nice to see you have an active imagination

Hahaha that makes a lot of sense!

Now how the heck did the first man realise you could ride horses??? "

Surely a guy see a horse run fast and thought hang on a moment why don't I sit on that horse and get from A to B?

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By *uppy ConquerorMan
over a year ago

dundee


"Just wondering who would be happy to pay an extra 10p to help us farmers out ?

Prefer to help the cows out and buy soya milk ..."
Hemp milks better, soya full of gmos

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Co Op shouts about Fair Trade in its coffee and fruit and lots more. Can't we bring that into our producers too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yet again i read a lot of crap about what misinformed folk think about us folk who work on the land .

set aside has gone ,,,, in someways it did us the farmers some good , at a time when prices were in the doldrums it took 15% of crops out of the grain stores and pushed prices up a bit ,,,, but the money recieved for set asiding the land didnt cover the costs so let me assure you it was not money for nothing

then someone mentioned about farmers driving around in bmw 5 series and there wifes driving around in 3 series ,,,, yeah right , not around here they dont , usually a beat up old estate car or old discovery which is heading towards 200 k miles ,,,, my old disco has 180 k on the clock , is as rough as nails but does the job i bought it for [2nd hand i might add , cant afford a new car]

I for one would love to be able to farm with out subsidies ,,,, but they will unfortunately be always there ,,,, because Brussels needs a carrot to dangle in front of us to make us toe the line "

So all farmers situations are based on where you live are they?

You need to move here then as there are 4 farms within close proximity to where we live and all have lovely big 4 x4's, maybe due to the land they are selling for building as opposed to farming, or maybe they are working the system of obtaining subsidies far more effectively than you. I can only base my judgement on what I see happening locally and I can tell you the farmers around here are doing well thank you.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!


"Perhaps. But we already buy 12+ pints a week as well as paying £45 a year for our daughters school milk so I already feel we're spending a lot on it already! "

Two in my family and we have 12 pints a week, delivered to the door by Dairy Crest. Hopefully, Dairy Crest pay farmers the going rate and there`s a job for our milkman as well!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


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That's why people eat flies and that, it's their best source of food but we wouldn't touch them coz we have other stuff.

Flies??? Who eats flies? "

Mrs ddc is always after my flies.

(Well, in my dreams...)

The real question is what sort of lazy-arsed person thinks "I can't be bothered to grow my own food, nor raise my own animals, what can I hunt that doesn't run too fast? Ooh, snails!"?

Ah, yes: Bonjour les Françaises!

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"yet again i read a lot of crap about what misinformed folk think about us folk who work on the land .

set aside has gone ,,,, in someways it did us the farmers some good , at a time when prices were in the doldrums it took 15% of crops out of the grain stores and pushed prices up a bit ,,,, but the money recieved for set asiding the land didnt cover the costs so let me assure you it was not money for nothing

then someone mentioned about farmers driving around in bmw 5 series and there wifes driving around in 3 series ,,,, yeah right , not around here they dont , usually a beat up old estate car or old discovery which is heading towards 200 k miles ,,,, my old disco has 180 k on the clock , is as rough as nails but does the job i bought it for [2nd hand i might add , cant afford a new car]

I for one would love to be able to farm with out subsidies ,,,, but they will unfortunately be always there ,,,, because Brussels needs a carrot to dangle in front of us to make us toe the line

So all farmers situations are based on where you live are they?

You need to move here then as there are 4 farms within close proximity to where we live and all have lovely big 4 x4's, maybe due to the land they are selling for building as opposed to farming, or maybe they are working the system of obtaining subsidies far more effectively than you. I can only base my judgement on what I see happening locally and I can tell you the farmers around here are doing well thank you."

Yer we could make a lot of money selling the land for houses but surely the countryside means more to people than a quick buck , once their is a house their will never be a field again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh dear Poor farmers, you only focus on one thing which may be detrimental to them however Don't farmers get huge subsid0ies for set aside land, this should offset the loss of profit for milk production, basically money for doing nothing.

Also with the demand for increased housing, farmers are selling land for huge amounts of money to developers.

The farmers around here don't worry about upsetting my views, they are selling land opposite and around the village without a care for the locals and reaping huge profits, then purchasing brand new 4 x 4's and machinery to make their life even easier ... so no I object to farmers whinging, they still vote tory don't they even after having this done to them if they were that upset by low prices they would of used their vote elsewhere!!!"

Agreed.

I've never seen a poor farmer, all those sparkly new tractors and Land Rovers and nice big farmhouses and subsidies. I (and probably the rest of the population) wouldn't pay any more than I already do. Greedy fat cats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't mind paying a little more as long as it goes into farmers pockets, that being said if more milk is being produced than needed some are going too have to change what they do or go udder, its the same for any business."

Go 'udder' ?? OMFG I just nearly choked on my cereal !! Please say this was intentional

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the milk quota still in place ? If a minimum purchase price was introduced along with right quota controls then would that help farmers to plan production / budgets and not over produce ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is the milk quota still in place ? If a minimum purchase price was introduced along with right quota controls then would that help farmers to plan production / budgets and not over produce ? "

Their was a quoter which was taken away about 3 years ago ( eu idea ) and people then said that will fuck the system up and they were right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Disgraceful mate, I'm with you on this one .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now as far as i am aware farmers are not forced to sell to supermarkets, they chose to because they got rid of huge quantities with little effort (selling not producing) originally at good prices. Once the milkmen were forced out of business hard line business methods took over and prices were driven down clever on the supermarkets part.

Maybe a radical idea but why not stop selling to supermarkets and form farmer co operatives to sell milk door to door with milkmen, i know id pay extra for my milk then, i miss the sound of the milk float pulling up outside with milk delivered to my door

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why can't the supermarkets lose ten pence in profit and help you ? "

or meet in the middle - be good for the supermarket in question to make the first move though -

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston


"Don't mind paying a little more as long as it goes into farmers pockets, that being said if more milk is being produced than needed some are going too have to change what they do or go udder, its the same for any business.

Go 'udder' ?? OMFG I just nearly choked on my cereal !! Please say this was intentional "
the topic was crying out for it, would have been a crime not to slip it in somewhere and it amused me slightly.

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

theres always going to be heated debate about are farmers wealthy or just a load of wingeing lazy _umpkins and fair enough they are possibly seen as the privileged few and fair enough a few are but that is it its a few !!!!! out of the 115 farmers i know [sat down with a piece of paper , sad arnt i ] 55 i know are tenant farmers , 32 are family farms of under 300 acres , 4 are what i call wealthy farmers ,,, those who have sold land for building and dont need to worry about working again and the rest are family farm who also rent land as well , and that covers a pretty big part of the county i live and work in .

One of the reasons that subsidies for farming was introduced was that Brussels felt it was important to have 'strategic reserves',,, this country was the only country to call them mountains and lakes ,,,,, perhaps if we ever went hungry then maybe we might call them strategic reserves . At the moment the world is awash with grain and milk and so all commodity prices are on the floor ,,, below the cost of production but that is this year ,,,,, next year may be very different ,,,,, I for one love my job , i know the returns are bad at the moment ,but we pull the belt in , we have good years and bad ones , that new 4x4 BMW will just have to wait another year or 10

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Aww have a look at the videos on the site ty tanglwyst dairy, it's just down the road from my house!

It's a brilliant farm and they have open days all the time so you can go and watch the cows being milked and it is the nicest milk around!"

Let's go visit Seawitch XxX

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By *panker53Man
over a year ago

leeds

last time I milked cows about 20 years ago milk price to farmer was 17p per litre

guess its not gone up much since then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The way to give farmers a better deal would be if the middle man was cut out. What I mean by that is if supermarkets stocked localised produce that came from farmers in the area. Obviously don't expect bananas for instance but milk, meat, eggs and flour instead for transporting them from 100's or 1000's of miles away. That would bring the price of these products down for us the consumer whilst giving farmers a better deal as not having to pay extra for shipping etc. When certain supermarkets offered to sell milk at a higher price actually thought what a rip off. Sorry to say that but with the profit these companies make why should we be expected to foot the bill. Capitalism has become not about how we can ensure everyone has a fair deal but how someone at the top can stuff as much money as possible into their pockets. Tesco, sainsburys etc would do well to remember their own humble beginnings instead of strangling the very same small shops that they used to be.

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