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Haven't you ever noticed the blips ?
Like when you get messages from hot single Women, That's when you know you it's all in your mind 
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"We wont wake up, We are in the Matrix
Haven't you ever noticed the blips ?
Like when you get messages from hot single Women, That's when you know you it's all in your mind
"I remember coming out from seeing the Matrix from the cinema thinking... maybe... we're IN the Matrix and Bin Laden is trying to get us OUT??! But then I remembered it was just a film. | |||
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"They're all lizards...." big style lol, david icke was born in leicester too | |||
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"We wont wake up, We are in the Matrix
Haven't you ever noticed the blips ?
Like when you get messages from hot single Women, That's when you know you it's all in your mind
I remember coming out from seeing the Matrix from the cinema thinking... maybe... we're IN the Matrix and Bin Laden is trying to get us OUT??!
But then I remembered it was just a film. "
The first film I saw in the cinema was Rocky 4, I came out throwing punches thinking I could box
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"We wont wake up, We are in the Matrix
Haven't you ever noticed the blips ?
Like when you get messages from hot single Women, That's when you know you it's all in your mind
I remember coming out from seeing the Matrix from the cinema thinking... maybe... we're IN the Matrix and Bin Laden is trying to get us OUT??!
But then I remembered it was just a film. "But what was the source material for the writers? | |||
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"We wont wake up, We are in the Matrix
Haven't you ever noticed the blips ?
Like when you get messages from hot single Women, That's when you know you it's all in your mind
I remember coming out from seeing the Matrix from the cinema thinking... maybe... we're IN the Matrix and Bin Laden is trying to get us OUT??!
But then I remembered it was just a film.
But what was the source material for the writers?"Cannabis, And lots of it | |||
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"Whatever it, I'm sure it's all bollocks" Yeah keep telling urself that. And u probably think.. Isis are Muslim terrorist group. Taliban are not American armed. Israel does have nukes. And in 9/11 the planes n buildings were destroyed, thousands off bodies never found, r.i.p But the terrorist passports survived. Pmslol | |||
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"Whatever it, I'm sure it's all bollocks Yeah keep telling urself that. And u probably think.. Isis are Muslim terrorist group. Taliban are not American armed. Israel does have nukes. And in 9/11 the planes n buildings were destroyed, thousands off bodies never found, r.i.p But the terrorist passports survived. Pmslol"  | |||
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"We wont wake up, We are in the Matrix
Haven't you ever noticed the blips ?
Like when you get messages from hot single Women, That's when you know you it's all in your mind
I remember coming out from seeing the Matrix from the cinema thinking... maybe... we're IN the Matrix and Bin Laden is trying to get us OUT??!
But then I remembered it was just a film.
The first film I saw in the cinema was Rocky 4, I came out throwing punches thinking I could box
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"The CIA have kidnapped the OP, he's in Cuba now being waterboarded by black ops drones" That's a lie spread by the Anonymous group, He is hiding out in Russia  | |||
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"The CIA have kidnapped the OP, he's in Cuba now being waterboarded by black ops drones" Lol. | |||
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" What happened to the OP "The CIA raided his flat and he scarpered with a beautiful lady to a ranch in the back of beyond. | |||
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" What happened to the OP "He said illuminati on the Internet, they've taken him.... | |||
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" What happened to the OP
The CIA raided his flat and he scarpered with a beautiful lady to a ranch in the back of beyond. ". Is he on that ranch with ken lay? | |||
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" What happened to the OP
He said illuminati on the Internet, they've taken him...."All of us in this topic will be unlos soon.  | |||
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" What happened to the OP
He said illuminati on the Internet, they've taken him....". Actually he didn't | |||
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" What happened to the OP "Is Sydney University at the root of this  | |||
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"Conspiracy theory's serendipity for governments . People go.off on wacky ideas of space beings and assassinations and take their eyes of the ball. World hunger , poverty, oil prices " . If you watch the news closely, you'll notice that when some Palestinians die there "killed" However when some Jewish people die, there "murdered". You'll hear many people state "the war in Iraq caused all this refugee crises".... The war in Iraq ended 12 years ago! | |||
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He said illuminati on the Internet, they've taken him...."Definitely this, I just saw the roof of the Sistine Chapel opening and Thunderpope 1 just flew out heading northwest... Mr ddc | |||
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"Do the illuminati run Fab?
Is the Pope Catholic  "I think that's why they were called the illuminati? Do you think there's a percentage of Muslims who are running from the same backward mentality | |||
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" What happened to the OP
The CIA raided his flat and he scarpered with a beautiful lady to a ranch in the back of beyond. .
Is he on that ranch with ken lay?"Would that be the deceased Ken Lay? | |||
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" What happened to the OP
The CIA raided his flat and he scarpered with a beautiful lady to a ranch in the back of beyond. .
Is he on that ranch with ken lay?
Would that be the deceased Ken Lay? ". So they say, so they say | |||
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"Do the illuminati run Fab?
Is the Pope Catholic "Is that why its so hard to get on the top fabbed pics? | |||
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"Do the illuminati run Fab?
Is the Pope Catholic
Is that why its so hard to get on the top fabbed pics? "It's not hard any more since they changed it. You can get on there with less than 100 fabs now. | |||
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"Good link between all this and the film eyes wide shut of course." You mean about how the illuminati dont want the public to know how good swinging is, so they make really bad films about it to put them off? | |||
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"Good link between all this and the film eyes wide shut of course." I thought that was about sex. I don't watch dirty films. | |||
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"Good link between all this and the film eyes wide shut of course. I thought that was about sex. I don't watch dirty films. " Its not about sex. | |||
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"Good link between all this and the film eyes wide shut of course. I thought that was about sex. I don't watch dirty films. Its not about sex." Is Tom Cruise convincing it or just Tom Cruise pretending to be someone else? | |||
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"Good link between all this and the film eyes wide shut of course. I thought that was about sex. I don't watch dirty films. Its not about sex. Is Tom Cruise convincing it or just Tom Cruise pretending to be someone else? " He only ever plays tom, but he did get married to get the part. | |||
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"Good link between all this and the film eyes wide shut of course. I thought that was about sex. I don't watch dirty films. Its not about sex. Is Tom Cruise convincing it or just Tom Cruise pretending to be someone else? He only ever plays tom, but he did get married to get the part." That's the epitome of dedication. Think I'll give it a miss. | |||
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In a previous life I did a fuck load of research into them. There's always the odd fact here or there in them that ties the rest of the wild speculation together. Those facts are weird though.
I'm less into them now, although I do intend to write about one of them at some point, but from more of a historical point of view. Adam Curtis' stuff is awesome... especially the century of the self. That one explains a whole lot about why we are the way we are. I'd seriously advise everyone to watch it.
I can't really bring myself to believe the official 911 story. And between fuddle theory and conspiracy theory... I've gotta say history shows us every time... it's almost always a conspiracy. People just aren't that incompetent that often... whereas they're almost always out for their own slice of some pie somewhere | |||
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"Ok I'll put my hand up... I love a good conspiracy theory me In a previous life I did a fuck load of research into them. There's always the odd fact here or there in them that ties the rest of the wild speculation together. Those facts are weird though.
I'm less into them now, although I do intend to write about one of them at some point, but from more of a historical point of view. Adam Curtis' stuff is awesome... especially the century of the self. That one explains a whole lot about why we are the way we are. I'd seriously advise everyone to watch it.
I can't really bring myself to believe the official 911 story. And between fuddle theory and conspiracy theory... I've gotta say history shows us every time... it's almost always a conspiracy. People just aren't that incompetent that often... whereas they're almost always out for their own slice of some pie somewhere "...and you find time to believe in God. There's one born every minute, as a rich man once said! | |||
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"Ok I'll put my hand up... I love a good conspiracy theory me In a previous life I did a fuck load of research into them. There's always the odd fact here or there in them that ties the rest of the wild speculation together. Those facts are weird though.
I'm less into them now, although I do intend to write about one of them at some point, but from more of a historical point of view. Adam Curtis' stuff is awesome... especially the century of the self. That one explains a whole lot about why we are the way we are. I'd seriously advise everyone to watch it.
I can't really bring myself to believe the official 911 story. And between fuddle theory and conspiracy theory... I've gotta say history shows us every time... it's almost always a conspiracy. People just aren't that incompetent that often... whereas they're almost always out for their own slice of some pie somewhere
...and you find time to believe in God.
There's one born every minute, as a rich man once said! "I'm a truth seeker | |||
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"Ok I'll put my hand up... I love a good conspiracy theory me In a previous life I did a fuck load of research into them. There's always the odd fact here or there in them that ties the rest of the wild speculation together. Those facts are weird though.
I'm less into them now, although I do intend to write about one of them at some point, but from more of a historical point of view. Adam Curtis' stuff is awesome... especially the century of the self. That one explains a whole lot about why we are the way we are. I'd seriously advise everyone to watch it.
I can't really bring myself to believe the official 911 story. And between fuddle theory and conspiracy theory... I've gotta say history shows us every time... it's almost always a conspiracy. People just aren't that incompetent that often... whereas they're almost always out for their own slice of some pie somewhere
...and you find time to believe in God.
There's one born every minute, as a rich man once said!
I'm a truth seeker "Then open your eyes and mind | |||
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"...and you find time to believe in God. There's one born every minute, as a rich man once said! I'm a truth seeker
Then open your eyes and mind"I already did that bit when I saw through my previous atheist beliefs, realised each of the arguments against a god existing were fallacious, and set off further down the path... from whence I now becon you my friend | |||
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"...and you find time to believe in God. There's one born every minute, as a rich man once said! I'm a truth seeker
Then open your eyes and mind
I already did that bit when I saw through my previous atheist beliefs, realised each of the arguments against a god existing were fallacious, and set off further down the path... from whence I now becon you my friend "I think you proved nothing. Friend. | |||
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"...and you find time to believe in God. There's one born every minute, as a rich man once said! I'm a truth seeker
Then open your eyes and mind
I already did that bit when I saw through my previous atheist beliefs, realised each of the arguments against a god existing were fallacious, and set off further down the path... from whence I now becon you my friend
I think you proved nothing.
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"Ok I'll put my hand up... I love a good conspiracy theory me In a previous life I did a fuck load of research into them. There's always the odd fact here or there in them that ties the rest of the wild speculation together. Those facts are weird though.
I'm less into them now, although I do intend to write about one of them at some point, but from more of a historical point of view. Adam Curtis' stuff is awesome... especially the century of the self. That one explains a whole lot about why we are the way we are. I'd seriously advise everyone to watch it.
I can't really bring myself to believe the official 911 story. And between fuddle theory and conspiracy theory... I've gotta say history shows us every time... it's almost always a conspiracy. People just aren't that incompetent that often... whereas they're almost always out for their own slice of some pie somewhere
...and you find time to believe in God.
There's one born every minute, as a rich man once said!
I'm a truth seeker
Then open your eyes and mind"Think you've inhaled too much of that glastonbury air and it's making you paranoid... There's a difference between an open mind and gullible. Of course we all get to self appointment which side of that line we are on. | |||
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"Ok I'll put my hand up... I love a good conspiracy theory me In a previous life I did a fuck load of research into them. There's always the odd fact here or there in them that ties the rest of the wild speculation together. Those facts are weird though.
I'm less into them now, although I do intend to write about one of them at some point, but from more of a historical point of view. Adam Curtis' stuff is awesome... especially the century of the self. That one explains a whole lot about why we are the way we are. I'd seriously advise everyone to watch it.
I can't really bring myself to believe the official 911 story. And between fuddle theory and conspiracy theory... I've gotta say history shows us every time... it's almost always a conspiracy. People just aren't that incompetent that often... whereas they're almost always out for their own slice of some pie somewhere
...and you find time to believe in God.
There's one born every minute, as a rich man once said!
I'm a truth seeker
Then open your eyes and mind
Think you've inhaled too much of that glastonbury air and it's making you paranoid...
There's a difference between an open mind and gullible. Of course we all get to self appointment which side of that line we are on. "Trust me - I'm no believer in conspiracy theories - the principle of Occam's Razor rules, as does rationality an appreciation for fuck ups and human frailty. That's reality. Not some massive conspiracy nonsense about the Twin Towers being an insider job between the US government/the Jews/the CIA/the Mafia/Lord Lucan/aliens. Be sensible. | |||
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"...and you find time to believe in God. There's one born every minute, as a rich man once said! I'm a truth seeker
Then open your eyes and mind
I already did that bit when I saw through my previous atheist beliefs, realised each of the arguments against a god existing were fallacious, and set off further down the path... from whence I now becon you my friend
I think you proved nothing.
Friend."I proved nothing... to you. Because I said nothing to you. You listed all of the fallacies you subscribe to. That's all that I wanted to know, it's all I had asked for. Had I bothered to engage with any of them none of them would have been left standing. But why should I waste my time doing that? It's your journey. You'll discover the logical flaws in them eventually... if you're also a truth seeker who tests and scrutinises his own ideas like me
p.s. I guess it's your intention to fill another thread with completely unrelated proselytizing drivel | |||
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"Trust me - I'm no believer in conspiracy theories - the principle of Occam's Razor rules, as does rationality an appreciation for fuck ups and human frailty. That's reality. Not some massive conspiracy nonsense about the Twin Towers being an insider job between the US government/the Jews/the CIA/the Mafia/Lord Lucan/aliens. Be sensible." Oh jeez dude... you're so dogmatic when you think you're right. There have been tonnes of conspiracies... they fill our history books... all the revolutions for a start... then the conspiracies of the monachies to keep power... the conspiracies of the church... the conspiracies of boardrooms to make sure their products beat their competitors... wake up and smell the coffee.... the world is full of conspiracies. That's reality. Be sensible. | |||
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"Trust me - I'm no believer in conspiracy theories - the principle of Occam's Razor rules, as does rationality an appreciation for fuck ups and human frailty. That's reality. Not some massive conspiracy nonsense about the Twin Towers being an insider job between the US government/the Jews/the CIA/the Mafia/Lord Lucan/aliens. Be sensible. Oh jeez dude... you're so dogmatic when you think you're right. There have been tonnes of conspiracies... they fill our history books... all the revolutions for a start... then the conspiracies of the monachies to keep power... the conspiracies of the church... the conspiracies of boardrooms to make sure their products beat their competitors... wake up and smell the coffee.... the world is full of conspiracies. That's reality. Be sensible." *licks his finger and strokes the air* Lol ;) | |||
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"Ok I'll put my hand up... I love a good conspiracy theory me In a previous life I did a fuck load of research into them. There's always the odd fact here or there in them that ties the rest of the wild speculation together. Those facts are weird though.
I'm less into them now, although I do intend to write about one of them at some point, but from more of a historical point of view. Adam Curtis' stuff is awesome... especially the century of the self. That one explains a whole lot about why we are the way we are. I'd seriously advise everyone to watch it.
I can't really bring myself to believe the official 911 story. And between fuddle theory and conspiracy theory... I've gotta say history shows us every time... it's almost always a conspiracy. People just aren't that incompetent that often... whereas they're almost always out for their own slice of some pie somewhere
...and you find time to believe in God.
There's one born every minute, as a rich man once said!
I'm a truth seeker
Then open your eyes and mind
Think you've inhaled too much of that glastonbury air and it's making you paranoid...
There's a difference between an open mind and gullible. Of course we all get to self appointment which side of that line we are on.
Trust me - I'm no believer in conspiracy theories - the principle of Occam's Razor rules, as does rationality an appreciation for fuck ups and human frailty.
That's reality.
Not some massive conspiracy nonsense about the Twin Towers being an insider job between the US government/the Jews/the CIA/the Mafia/Lord Lucan/aliens.
Be sensible.
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"*licks his finger and strokes the air* Lol ;)" You seem to forget - I grew up in Glastonbury. Telling silly stories for the amusement (and money) of tourists goes back centuries. I'm well- attuned to bullshit in all it's multi-faithed form. Religion is after-life insurance for the hard of thinking and conspiracy theories... you don't need a big elaborate conspiracy theory to explain why some things are shitty about the world. But this is how pretty much all of them sound. | |||
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"*licks his finger and strokes the air* Lol ;) You seem to forget - I grew up in Glastonbury. Telling silly stories for the amusement (and money) of tourists goes back centuries. I'm well- attuned to bullshit in all it's multi-faithed form. Religion is after-life insurance for the hard of thinking and conspiracy theories... you don't need a big elaborate conspiracy theory to explain why some things are shitty about the world. But this is how pretty much all of them sound." Given the proportion of people in the world that have some sort of faith, it doesn't bode well for the human race if you think they are all "hard of thinking". | |||
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"*licks his finger and strokes the air* Lol ;) You seem to forget - I grew up in Glastonbury. Telling silly stories for the amusement (and money) of tourists goes back centuries. I'm well- attuned to bullshit in all it's multi-faithed form. Religion is after-life insurance for the hard of thinking and conspiracy theories... you don't need a big elaborate conspiracy theory to explain why some things are shitty about the world. But this is how pretty much all of them sound. Given the proportion of people in the world that have some sort of faith, it doesn't bode well for the human race if you think they are all "hard of thinking"." People don't half believe some shit. True. | |||
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"*licks his finger and strokes the air* Lol ;) You seem to forget - I grew up in Glastonbury. Telling silly stories for the amusement (and money) of tourists goes back centuries. I'm well- attuned to bullshit in all it's multi-faithed form. Religion is after-life insurance for the hard of thinking and conspiracy theories... you don't need a big elaborate conspiracy theory to explain why some things are shitty about the world. But this is how pretty much all of them sound." Most people are in the Matrix... you're in Zion thinking you know the truth because you've accepted the truth that refutes the matrix and haven't thought it through for yourself... I'm in the Architects office | |||
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"People don't half believe some shit. True. " Did anyone click on the links put up by the OP? I rest my case! | |||
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"*licks his finger and strokes the air* Lol ;) You seem to forget - I grew up in Glastonbury. Telling silly stories for the amusement (and money) of tourists goes back centuries. I'm well- attuned to bullshit in all it's multi-faithed form. Religion is after-life insurance for the hard of thinking and conspiracy theories... you don't need a big elaborate conspiracy theory to explain why some things are shitty about the world. But this is how pretty much all of them sound. Most people are in the Matrix... you're in Zion thinking you know the truth because you've accepted the truth that refutes the matrix and haven't thought it through for yourself... I'm in the Architects office "Reality is far more complex than you suggest. Your logic is flawed. | |||
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"People don't half believe some shit. True. Did anyone click on the links put up by the OP? I rest my case!" But your ignoring proportion there. There's an order of magnitude between the people in the world that think 9/11 was an inside job and the number of people with some faith. Of course real truth isn't democratically elected, but the market for ideas isn't as irrational as it might seem. There's a great book called "the wisdom of crowds" - it doesn't propose that crowds are always right, but it does describe the circumstances when they are more or less likely to be right. | |||
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"People don't half believe some shit. True. Did anyone click on the links put up by the OP? I rest my case! But your ignoring proportion there. There's an order of magnitude between the people in the world that think 9/11 was an inside job and the number of people with some faith. Of course real truth isn't democratically elected, but the market for ideas isn't as irrational as it might seem. There's a great book called "the wisdom of crowds" - it doesn't propose that crowds are always right, but it does describe the circumstances when they are more or less likely to be right. " We're at 6's & t's - I was referencing mpassion's ineffective prosecution that atheists cannot disprove the existence of God on a previous thread. I was conflating this willingness to believe in conspiracy tosh with religious tosh. | |||
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"*licks his finger and strokes the air* Lol ;) You seem to forget - I grew up in Glastonbury. Telling silly stories for the amusement (and money) of tourists goes back centuries. I'm well- attuned to bullshit in all it's multi-faithed form. Religion is after-life insurance for the hard of thinking and conspiracy theories... you don't need a big elaborate conspiracy theory to explain why some things are shitty about the world. But this is how pretty much all of them sound. Most people are in the Matrix... you're in Zion thinking you know the truth because you've accepted the truth that refutes the matrix and haven't thought it through for yourself... I'm in the Architects office
Reality is far more complex than you suggest.
Your logic is flawed. "You're the one who believes everyone's running round like in a Benny Hill movie making mistakes left right and centre. It takes a phenomenal amount of ignorance about the struggle the people of Europe have gone through to grab the freedoms they have from those who didn't want them to have it. History has been a struggle all the way... and let me give you a clue... the Monarchs didn't manage to rule over us for centuries by accident... it wasn't an "Oh Whoops I believe I've accidentally ruled over you... sorry I didn't mean it" lol Yes reality is complex... yes mistakes happen... but power always works to keep power and there's always someone who wants more of it... so the historical trend favours conspiracies
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"*licks his finger and strokes the air* Lol ;) You seem to forget - I grew up in Glastonbury. Telling silly stories for the amusement (and money) of tourists goes back centuries. I'm well- attuned to bullshit in all it's multi-faithed form. Religion is after-life insurance for the hard of thinking and conspiracy theories... you don't need a big elaborate conspiracy theory to explain why some things are shitty about the world. But this is how pretty much all of them sound. Most people are in the Matrix... you're in Zion thinking you know the truth because you've accepted the truth that refutes the matrix and haven't thought it through for yourself... I'm in the Architects office
Reality is far more complex than you suggest.
Your logic is flawed.
You're the one who believes everyone's running round like in a Benny Hill movie making mistakes left right and centre. It takes a phenomenal amount of ignorance about the struggle the people of Europe have gone through to grab the freedoms they have from those who didn't want them to have it. History has been a struggle all the way... and let me give you a clue... the Monarchs didn't manage to rule over us for centuries by accident... it wasn't an "Oh Whoops I believe I've accidentally ruled over you... sorry I didn't mean it" lol Yes reality is complex... yes mistakes happen... but power always works to keep power and there's always someone who wants more of it... so the historical trend favours conspiracies
I guess next thing you'll be telling me the Chilcott enquiry has been delayed because the dog ate it "*COp.s. I guess it's your intention to fill another thread with completely unrelated proselytizing drivelFFS* Sorry. Frog in my throat. What was that? | |||
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"We're at 6's & t's - I was referencing mpassion's ineffective prosecution that atheists cannot disprove the existence of God on a previous thread. I was conflating this willingness to believe in conspiracy tosh with religious tosh. " Just for the record. Joe got his knickers in a twist trying to describe why he didn't believe in a god... I didn't lift a single finger to try arguing with him... he just unravelled by himself. If you find the thread you'll be able to see from the OP that I stated categorically that I wasn't going to argue with anyone on the thread... only enquire as to what their beliefs were. It was amusing that Joe got so tied up in his own crap that he really thought I was arguing against him lol  | |||
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"We're at 6's & t's - I was referencing mpassion's ineffective prosecution that atheists cannot disprove the existence of God on a previous thread. I was conflating this willingness to believe in conspiracy tosh with religious tosh. Just for the record. Joe got his knickers in a twist trying to describe why he didn't believe in a god... I didn't lift a single finger to try arguing with him... he just unravelled by himself. If you find the thread you'll be able to see from the OP that I stated categorically that I wasn't going to argue with anyone on the thread... only enquire as to what their beliefs were. It was amusing that Joe got so tied up in his own crap that he really thought I was arguing against him lol "I don't see why we should listen to you just because you have an imaginary friend! *rolls eyes* | |||
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"*COp.s. I guess it's your intention to fill another thread with completely unrelated proselytizing drivelFFS* Sorry. Frog in my throat. What was that?" Your comments on religion are unrelated to this thread... as were your idiotic attempts to argue with my request to merely list, not defend, why you didn't believe in a god, which also completely filled another thread with unrelated proselytizing crap. My comments which you added the above quote to were about conspiracy theories... hence related... just helping you spot the difference | |||
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"We're at 6's & t's - I was referencing mpassion's ineffective prosecution that atheists cannot disprove the existence of God on a previous thread. I was conflating this willingness to believe in conspiracy tosh with religious tosh. Just for the record. Joe got his knickers in a twist trying to describe why he didn't believe in a god... I didn't lift a single finger to try arguing with him... he just unravelled by himself. If you find the thread you'll be able to see from the OP that I stated categorically that I wasn't going to argue with anyone on the thread... only enquire as to what their beliefs were. It was amusing that Joe got so tied up in his own crap that he really thought I was arguing against him lol
I don't see why we should listen to you just because you have an imaginary friend!
*rolls eyes*"He doesn't have to... he can go and read the thread and see what a nunce you made of yourself... all by yourself. I'm hands free
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"Ok I'll put my hand up... I love a good conspiracy theory me In a previous life I did a fuck load of research into them. There's always the odd fact here or there in them that ties the rest of the wild speculation together. Those facts are weird though.
I'm less into them now, although I do intend to write about one of them at some point, but from more of a historical point of view. Adam Curtis' stuff is awesome... especially the century of the self. That one explains a whole lot about why we are the way we are. I'd seriously advise everyone to watch it.
I can't really bring myself to believe the official 911 story. And between fuddle theory and conspiracy theory... I've gotta say history shows us every time... it's almost always a conspiracy. People just aren't that incompetent that often... whereas they're almost always out for their own slice of some pie somewhere "The two smoking guns that, in my opinion, proves that 9/11 was an insider job was the collapse of the third tower WTC 7 which shows the signs od being a controlled demolition and the "plane" into the Pentagon which was a missile and not a plane. | |||
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"Ok I'll put my hand up... I love a good conspiracy theory me In a previous life I did a fuck load of research into them. There's always the odd fact here or there in them that ties the rest of the wild speculation together. Those facts are weird though.
I'm less into them now, although I do intend to write about one of them at some point, but from more of a historical point of view. Adam Curtis' stuff is awesome... especially the century of the self. That one explains a whole lot about why we are the way we are. I'd seriously advise everyone to watch it.
I can't really bring myself to believe the official 911 story. And between fuddle theory and conspiracy theory... I've gotta say history shows us every time... it's almost always a conspiracy. People just aren't that incompetent that often... whereas they're almost always out for their own slice of some pie somewhere
The two smoking guns that, in my opinion, proves that 9/11 was an insider job was the collapse of the third tower WTC 7 which shows the signs od being a controlled demolition and the "plane" into the Pentagon which was a missile and not a plane."Balls. I'm sorry | |||
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"I don't see why we should listen to you just because you have an imaginary friend! *rolls eyes* He doesn't have to... he can go and read the thread and see what a nunce you made of yourself... all by yourself. I'm hands free
http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/419785"I'm glad that you saved it. And for the record I thought I held my ground well, put forward a number of reasoned, logical and scientific reasons, none of which you were able to refute. But while we have the class's attention... Perhaps you'd like to comment on my last 4 posts on that thread? | |||
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"Right a few things: 1) Comparing religion to a conspiracy theory is a very weak argument. Whether you think religion is stupid of not, size matters. Trying to prove anything absolutely, definately, cannot possibly exist is very hard anyway. You probably wouldn't believe people with two heads exist if you didn't see conjoined twins. It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist unless (at the very least) you know with 100% certainty about the entire physical make up of the universe and we currently do not. 2) Al-yamamah was not just the UK's largest export deal, it's the largest defence export in the world, ever. And a fine piece of bribery it was. The actual deal was more like £40bn but if you include support and follow on contracts subsequently got added to the deal then you get closer to £100bn. Finally the kit wasn't really top notch, it was OK. They won the deal because of a real conspiracy that - wasn't secret - the Jewish lobby in America stopped the US offering the planes the Saudis actually wanted. That and Dick Evans taking one for team GB and downing a bunch of sheep's eyeballs. 3) Standards of living for average joe have improved incredibly over the past 400 years. Back in the good old days, the King and nobility had far more power and we were all grateful to live past 40 and eat meat once a week. Since the civil war it's been all downhill for the nobility who have had the inconvenience of sharing power to the point where the house of commons get paid for turning up but the Lords don't. One King had to abdicate because of who he wanted humpty pumpty with - well what ever happened to the good times when a King just created a new church when he felt like a new wife? " 1/ I don't think so - if you believe in one lot of toot it's not such a large step to another pile of toot. 2/ am well aware of the Al-yamamah deal - I have a Private Eye sub, ta. 3/ what's this to do with either religion or conspiracy theories? | |||
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"Ok I'll put my hand up... I love a good conspiracy theory me In a previous life I did a fuck load of research into them. There's always the odd fact here or there in them that ties the rest of the wild speculation together. Those facts are weird though.
I'm less into them now, although I do intend to write about one of them at some point, but from more of a historical point of view. Adam Curtis' stuff is awesome... especially the century of the self. That one explains a whole lot about why we are the way we are. I'd seriously advise everyone to watch it.
I can't really bring myself to believe the official 911 story. And between fuddle theory and conspiracy theory... I've gotta say history shows us every time... it's almost always a conspiracy. People just aren't that incompetent that often... whereas they're almost always out for their own slice of some pie somewhere
The two smoking guns that, in my opinion, proves that 9/11 was an insider job was the collapse of the third tower WTC 7 which shows the signs od being a controlled demolition and the "plane" into the Pentagon which was a missile and not a plane.
Balls. I'm sorry"He did say opinion to be fair. I'll just say that the more you work with governments, the less you fear them. | |||
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"Ok I'll put my hand up... I love a good conspiracy theory me In a previous life I did a fuck load of research into them. There's always the odd fact here or there in them that ties the rest of the wild speculation together. Those facts are weird though.
I'm less into them now, although I do intend to write about one of them at some point, but from more of a historical point of view. Adam Curtis' stuff is awesome... especially the century of the self. That one explains a whole lot about why we are the way we are. I'd seriously advise everyone to watch it.
I can't really bring myself to believe the official 911 story. And between fuddle theory and conspiracy theory... I've gotta say history shows us every time... it's almost always a conspiracy. People just aren't that incompetent that often... whereas they're almost always out for their own slice of some pie somewhere
The two smoking guns that, in my opinion, proves that 9/11 was an insider job was the collapse of the third tower WTC 7 which shows the signs od being a controlled demolition and the "plane" into the Pentagon which was a missile and not a plane.
Balls. I'm sorry
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"Right a few things: 1) Comparing religion to a conspiracy theory is a very weak argument. Whether you think religion is stupid of not, size matters. Trying to prove anything absolutely, definately, cannot possibly exist is very hard anyway. You probably wouldn't believe people with two heads exist if you didn't see conjoined twins. It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist unless (at the very least) you know with 100% certainty about the entire physical make up of the universe and we currently do not. 2) Al-yamamah was not just the UK's largest export deal, it's the largest defence export in the world, ever. And a fine piece of bribery it was. The actual deal was more like £40bn but if you include support and follow on contracts subsequently got added to the deal then you get closer to £100bn. Finally the kit wasn't really top notch, it was OK. They won the deal because of a real conspiracy that - wasn't secret - the Jewish lobby in America stopped the US offering the planes the Saudis actually wanted. That and Dick Evans taking one for team GB and downing a bunch of sheep's eyeballs. 3) Standards of living for average joe have improved incredibly over the past 400 years. Back in the good old days, the King and nobility had far more power and we were all grateful to live past 40 and eat meat once a week. Since the civil war it's been all downhill for the nobility who have had the inconvenience of sharing power to the point where the house of commons get paid for turning up but the Lords don't. One King had to abdicate because of who he wanted humpty pumpty with - well what ever happened to the good times when a King just created a new church when he felt like a new wife? 1/ I don't think so - if you believe in one lot of toot it's not such a large step to another pile of toot. 2/ am well aware of the Al-yamamah deal - I have a Private Eye sub, ta. 3/ what's this to do with either religion or conspiracy theories? " 3 different points to 3 different people, in the order they aappeared. #3 is about how history is full of conspiracies and how the nobility would do anything to hold on to power - well if that's true they've done a piss poor job of it | |||
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"1/ I don't think so - if you believe in one lot of toot it's not such a large step to another pile of toot. 2/ am well aware of the Al-yamamah deal - I have a Private Eye sub, ta. 3/ what's this to do with either religion or conspiracy theories? 3 different points to 3 different people, in the order they aappeared. #3 is about how history is full of conspiracies and how the nobility would do anything to hold on to power - well if that's true they've done a piss poor job of it " Ok, fair enough. The new nobility - the supra-national class - have means far outstripping the barons of old. Nobility is dead - cash is king. | |||
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"You know when Tony Blair said they have wmds and they could be here in 45 minutes!... You must be pretty confident as to what he had and where abouts it was!. Funny thing is, when they invaded they went straight to the oil fields to secure them, I mean wouldn't you have gone to the wmds?. It's funny how in gw1 , they knew what missiles, what tanks, what nerve gas he had, mainly because there'd sold him most of it and despite being under constant sanction and un inspectors (all of which I'd add, had reported officially that he had no WMD,s) during the years afterwards they were totally oblivious to his current military capabilities
Of course on that point, it's just very fortunate for Tony Blair that that chap topped himself... And he even managed to do it so successful as to fool all those trained doctors that keep writing to the newspapers as to how he did it"Re: David Kelly, see http://www.theguardian.com/books/2007/dec/01/highereducation.news | |||
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"1/ I don't think so - if you believe in one lot of toot it's not such a large step to another pile of toot. 2/ am well aware of the Al-yamamah deal - I have a Private Eye sub, ta. 3/ what's this to do with either religion or conspiracy theories? 3 different points to 3 different people, in the order they aappeared. #3 is about how history is full of conspiracies and how the nobility would do anything to hold on to power - well if that's true they've done a piss poor job of it Ok, fair enough. The new nobility - the supra-national class - have means far outstripping the barons of old. Nobility is dead - cash is king. " I disagree, the wealth a feudal lord had relative to the surfs is incredible. You only have to watch Game of Thrones to see the differences. The wealth it took to build medieval cathedrals and castles is just on another scale given the GDP of the time. | |||
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" What happened to the OP
He said illuminati on the Internet, they've taken him...."Why?? Do they secretly run Fabswingers too?? | |||
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" What happened to the OP
He said illuminati on the Internet, they've taken him....
Why?? Do they secretly run Fabswingers too??"Yes they do. That's why we can't have pee pics on here or fisting. | |||
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"People don't half believe some shit. True. Did anyone click on the links put up by the OP? I rest my case!" I didn't, purely because I don't like links they normally cost me money or give me viruses ?? | |||
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"People don't half believe some shit. True. Did anyone click on the links put up by the OP? I rest my case! I didn't, purely because I don't like links they normally cost me money or give me viruses ??" To give you a flavour:- * The Rothschild Family - Puppet Masters - World's Only Trillionaires - Full Documentary * David Icke - Mind Control & The New World Order * Muslim Alliance With Eastern Orthodox Christianity In The End Times By Sheikh Imran Hosein &c &c The George Carlin one was worth watching tho | |||
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"1/ I don't think so - if you believe in one lot of toot it's not such a large step to another pile of toot. 2/ am well aware of the Al-yamamah deal - I have a Private Eye sub, ta. 3/ what's this to do with either religion or conspiracy theories? 3 different points to 3 different people, in the order they aappeared. #3 is about how history is full of conspiracies and how the nobility would do anything to hold on to power - well if that's true they've done a piss poor job of it Ok, fair enough. The new nobility - the supra-national class - have means far outstripping the barons of old. Nobility is dead - cash is king. I disagree, the wealth a feudal lord had relative to the surfs is incredible. You only have to watch Game of Thrones to see the differences. The wealth it took to build medieval cathedrals and castles is just on another scale given the GDP of the time. " It's at another level now. Read Adrian Peacock, 200 Pharaohs Five Billion Slaves (slightly dated but the point holds) | |||
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"Love a good conspiracy theory, I'm sure most have them have element of truth to them!" “The best predictor of belief in a conspiracy theory is belief in other conspiracy theories,” says Viren Swami, a psychology professor who studies conspiracy belief at the University of Westminster in England. Psychologists say that’s because a conspiracy theory isn’t so much a response to a single event as it is an expression of an overarching worldview. Our access to high-quality information has not, unfortunately, ushered in an age in which disagreements of this sort can easily be solved with a quick Google search. In fact, the Internet has made things worse. Confirmation bias — the tendency to pay more attention to evidence that supports what you already believe — is a well-documented and common human failing. People have been writing about it for centuries. In recent years, though, researchers have found that confirmation bias is not easy to overcome. You can’t just drown it in facts. Psychologists aren’t sure whether powerlessness causes conspiracy theories or vice versa. Either way, the current scientific thinking suggests these beliefs are nothing more than an extreme form of cynicism, a turning away from politics and traditional media — which only perpetuates the problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias | |||
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"The illuminati don't exist any more. But there is a group of individuals now who have all the power and use it to control the population, the population let's itself be controlled also." ...and they are cslled The Moderators! Illuminarti? Really? Nietsche killed God but we need to think someone, anyone is running the world; but really it's all Choas. Get over it, nobody else is ruining your lives or holding you back except you. Read the novels for a good laugh xxxx | |||
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"Ok seen as it's late at night, I'm half wasted and south parks been thrown into the mix, I'll roll with it. Anyway 1971, America ran out of oil, well they didn't run out but they got to the point where they were consuming more than they could produce, there'd been the Saudi Arabia of world oil production for 80 years, got rich and powerful of it. Anyhow king faisal of Saudi (one of the most progressive kings there'd ever had, you'll find his name all over middle Eastern buildings) he decided that this would be a great opportunity to bring peace to sunni Palestine by stopping selling oil to countries that supported Israel, a Nobel gesture that caused the calamity of the 70s... Anyhow they quickly had him assassinated by his cousin and his brother took over, he was less progressive for obvious reasons! Of course what this monumental moment did, is make the west realise that they never ever again could be reliant on the world's largest oil fields being in the hands of... Unfriendlys. There never was an intention to bring democracy to the middle East, policy studies done in the 90s showed that the middle East would not take democracy without substantial cultural change, dick cheney and rumsfeld gave open interviews declaring it was impossible to remove Hussein without the void of rule causing civil war between Muslim factions, that was in 1992 when they worked for George snr. In 1983ish prince bandar bin sultan a high up royal with the Saudi family secured an arms deal with Thacher, it was and remains the uks biggest ever export deal worth around 100 billion pounds, we supply them top notch military equipment and they paid for it with 600,000 barrels of crude oil a day, it arrived every day for 20 years as they promised and the deal was shrouded in kick backs, everyone got rich, it was estimated that bandar himself siphoned off around 2.5 billon pounds, this slush fund was used to buy guns for the mujahedeen in Afghanistan, Hezbollah and every terrorists in between, he never hid his aims and was quite open about.. Uniting the Muslim faith.(or more accurately murdering all the Shia's) Saddam as we all know was the Americans man in Iraq, he was installed to fight the shia of Iran (the enemy of both bandar and the us), unfortunately despite their best efforts, they just couldn't get rid of those dammed Iranians and the decision was made that a different approach would be needed....a civil war, all they needed to do was remove the key dictators, Hussein, Assad and Gaddafi and let the Saudis stir the pot. The question was how to remove those dictators, the CIA had already tried several times unsuccessfully, and for the plan to work it needed to be done in quick succession, military options are never popular with home crowds, so what would be needed to turn the home fans on their side, well when in doubt do what you know works as you've done it in the past? Before pearl harbour most Americans wanted nothing to do with another European war, after it , well 2 million men volunteered in 6 months, turns out all we needs an enemy and we'll pretty much agree to anything! You know the catholic church persecuted the enlightened ones who dared claim there book infallible, just like the Qur'an from Saudi is persecuting any none believers in the middle East! Peace didn't end with ww2 , it just got a shit load more devious. If you honestly think that a guy in a cave in Afghanistan (turns out it was a nice house in Pakistan, no wonder they couldn't find him) armed with a laptop ,a few hundred thousand dollars and 20 guys could slip through the most god damn mighty fucking military machine the world's ever fucking seen, learn to fly commercial planes confidently enough to fly them into buildings at 500 mph by training in Cessnas(at which there instructor said at best they were mediocre) And coordinate all this seamlessly with the precession of a military exercise.... Well if you believe that I think You need a tin foil hat "You lost me at "everyone got rich". I must have asleep that day...... Or maybe the illuminati got my share of the money, the bastards. Crap, that's twice I've said illuminati now.  | |||
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"1/ I don't think so - if you believe in one lot of toot it's not such a large step to another pile of toot. 2/ am well aware of the Al-yamamah deal - I have a Private Eye sub, ta. 3/ what's this to do with either religion or conspiracy theories? 3 different points to 3 different people, in the order they aappeared. #3 is about how history is full of conspiracies and how the nobility would do anything to hold on to power - well if that's true they've done a piss poor job of it Ok, fair enough. The new nobility - the supra-national class - have means far outstripping the barons of old. Nobility is dead - cash is king. I disagree, the wealth a feudal lord had relative to the surfs is incredible. You only have to watch Game of Thrones to see the differences. The wealth it took to build medieval cathedrals and castles is just on another scale given the GDP of the time. It's at another level now. Read Adrian Peacock, 200 Pharaohs Five Billion Slaves (slightly dated but the point holds)" Breakdown the last 6,000 years of human history into 100 year blocks. Point me to the block you'd rather live in, than the one we do, because in relative terms, you believe that 'we the people" had a better standard of living then? I can't think of one personally so I'm genuinely interested in what people think. | |||
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"I guess the Men in Black got to the OP? Quite early on, yrs. They came and took him away haha" I wondered what Will Smith has been up to recently | |||
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"I don't see why we should listen to you just because you have an imaginary friend! *rolls eyes* He doesn't have to... he can go and read the thread and see what a nunce you made of yourself... all by yourself. I'm hands free
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I'm glad that you saved it. And for the record I thought I held my ground well, put forward a number of reasoned, logical and scientific reasons, none of which you were able to refute.
But while we have the class's attention...
Perhaps you'd like to comment on my last 4 posts on that thread?
"You held your own because I wasn't arguing with you... you were arguing with yourself. Last 4 posts... 1) My argument is circular... I wasn't arguing with you... so how can my argument be circular 2) Don't have a clue what you're on about there... sounds irrelevent 3) Another ridiculous attempt to try and argue that in asking why you're an atheist I'm actually placing the burden of proof on your shoulders to disprove the existence of a god. I'm not... I'm asking you why you're an atheist. If there is no answer for that then surely theres no reason to be an atheist. 4) This is so hilarious that I'm gonna quote it... "a full understanding of what counts as effective evidence and what is personally convincing evidence is all part of the debate. While this sort of activity is valid, your question skips it out entirely." Lol My question was EXACTLY that... it didn't skip it it didn't circumvent it... it WAS it. Joe... I'd say our mini-feud is doing no-one any good... least of all us... you're just coming across as insulting and dogmatic and I'm sure I'm coming across as a conceited know-it-all. The fact is that I started that other thread to give me a good overview of the arguments against a God. I already have a good idea of them all and have read up on them in detail. I just wanted to see if anyone brought up anything new... and to see which ones were most important to people. Over the course of the thread I didn't see a single reason which I have already deconstructed and found to be based on bad logic... hence why I didn't feel the need to argue against any of it. If it satisfies you... I suggest you write me a private message with absolutely all of the arguments you can think of for why there isn't a god and I promise that if there's anything remotely novel in it which I don't already know is based on faulty logic then I will personally start a thread devoted to it and we can duke it out. Hopefully in that way we can draw a line under this instead of carrying on with this ridiculous charade where you think you've won some argument with me that we never had. Sound cool? | |||
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"Confirmation bias — the tendency to pay more attention to evidence that supports what you already believe — is a well-documented and common human failing. People have been writing about it for centuries. In recent years, though, researchers have found that confirmation bias is not easy to overcome. You can’t just drown it in facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias" So I take it by this that you believe you don't suffer from confirmation bias... that it's effectively somebody else's problem? Nice rationalising dude... must be that confirmation bias of yours kicking in lol | |||
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"3) Standards of living for average joe have improved incredibly over the past 400 years. Back in the good old days, the King and nobility had far more power and we were all grateful to live past 40 and eat meat once a week. Since the civil war it's been all downhill for the nobility who have had the inconvenience of sharing power to the point where the house of commons get paid for turning up but the Lords don't. One King had to abdicate because of who he wanted humpty pumpty with - well what ever happened to the good times when a King just created a new church when he felt like a new wife? 3/ what's this to do with either religion or conspiracy theories? 3 different points to 3 different people, in the order they aappeared. #3 is about how history is full of conspiracies and how the nobility would do anything to hold on to power - well if that's true they've done a piss poor job of it " Yeah you're right they did give it up really easily and would never take it back would they. Why oh why didn't we simply write that letter to them asking them to give us their power earlier... would've saved a lot of fuss and bother
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"3) Standards of living for average joe have improved incredibly over the past 400 years. Back in the good old days, the King and nobility had far more power and we were all grateful to live past 40 and eat meat once a week. Since the civil war it's been all downhill for the nobility who have had the inconvenience of sharing power to the point where the house of commons get paid for turning up but the Lords don't. One King had to abdicate because of who he wanted humpty pumpty with - well what ever happened to the good times when a King just created a new church when he felt like a new wife? 3/ what's this to do with either religion or conspiracy theories? 3 different points to 3 different people, in the order they aappeared. #3 is about how history is full of conspiracies and how the nobility would do anything to hold on to power - well if that's true they've done a piss poor job of it Yeah you're right they did give it up really easily and would never take it back would they. Why oh why didn't we simply write that letter to them asking them to give us their power earlier... would've saved a lot of fuss and bother
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Hmmm who is the UK's biggest land owner again? It done right slip my mind "You may buy history books but you clear don't understand them. "They" aren't remotely close to "taking it back". I'm still waiting for an answer to my question, what period of time do you want to go back to? When life was better for joe average? | |||
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"I'm still waiting for an answer to my question, what period of time do you want to go back to? When life was better for joe average? " I assumed you were asking someone else that as it doesn't appear to relate to any of my stuff. Why would I want to go back in time just to have to struggle through all those conspiracies all over again and have to wrestle our freedoms from the powerful once again. There's a reason why today is the best era of any... our ancestors fought for it to be that way... lest we forget But of course... you may be right... we may have just accidentally gained our freedoms when the rich and powerful left them on the train. And all those stories about revolutions, church meddlings in nations affairs, secret deals between corporations or elites to carve up the spoils of war, and chopping off monarchs heads are just big fairy tales we've been spun to keep us entertained. Now that really IS a whacko theory
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"I'm still waiting for an answer to my question, what period of time do you want to go back to? When life was better for joe average? I assumed you were asking someone else that as it doesn't appear to relate to any of my stuff. Why would I want to go back in time just to have to struggle through all those conspiracies all over again and have to wrestle our freedoms from the powerful once again. There's a reason why today is the best era of any... our ancestors fought for it to be that way... lest we forget But of course... you may be right... we may have just accidentally gained our freedoms when the rich and powerful left them on the train. And all those stories about revolutions, church meddlings in nations affairs, secret deals between corporations or elites to carve up the spoils of war, and chopping off monarchs heads are just big fairy tales we've been spun to keep us entertained. Now that really IS a whacko theory
People have interests. People conspire to forward those interests. It's not only History 101 its Psychology 101"Right well you've defeated your own argument then. So we are indeed in the best era ever. So not very likely the be the era that "they" finally got us in a death grip and turned us into billions of slaves serving the 1%, the godfather, puff the magic drafon or whoever else Russel Brand dreams up this week. Since average joe was indeed in a death grip prior to things like the black death, all your historical conspiracies have led to a grand total of fuck all for the elites who have conceded power every step of the way. There was no pesky educated middle class in the good old days you know. What your calling conspiracy is just what most people see as basic human frailty. Now that's psychology 101. | |||
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"I don't see why we should listen to you just because you have an imaginary friend! *rolls eyes* He doesn't have to... he can go and read the thread and see what a nunce you made of yourself... all by yourself. I'm hands free
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I'm glad that you saved it. And for the record I thought I held my ground well, put forward a number of reasoned, logical and scientific reasons, none of which you were able to refute.
But while we have the class's attention...
Perhaps you'd like to comment on my last 4 posts on that thread?
You held your own because I wasn't arguing with you... you were arguing with yourself. Last 4 posts...
1) My argument is circular... I wasn't arguing with you... so how can my argument be circular
2) Don't have a clue what you're on about there... sounds irrelevent
3) Another ridiculous attempt to try and argue that in asking why you're an atheist I'm actually placing the burden of proof on your shoulders to disprove the existence of a god. I'm not... I'm asking you why you're an atheist. If there is no answer for that then surely theres no reason to be an atheist.
4) This is so hilarious that I'm gonna quote it...
a full understanding of what counts as effective evidence and what is personally convincing evidence is all part of the debate.
While this sort of activity is valid, your question skips it out entirely.
Lol My question was EXACTLY that... it didn't skip it it didn't circumvent it... it WAS it.
Joe... I'd say our mini-feud is doing no-one any good... least of all us... you're just coming across as insulting and dogmatic and I'm sure I'm coming across as a conceited know-it-all. The fact is that I started that other thread to give me a good overview of the arguments against a God. I already have a good idea of them all and have read up on them in detail. I just wanted to see if anyone brought up anything new... and to see which ones were most important to people. Over the course of the thread I didn't see a single reason which I have already deconstructed and found to be based on bad logic... hence why I didn't feel the need to argue against any of it.
If it satisfies you... I suggest you write me a private message with absolutely all of the arguments you can think of for why there isn't a god and I promise that if there's anything remotely novel in it which I don't already know is based on faulty logic then I will personally start a thread devoted to it and we can duke it out. Hopefully in that way we can draw a line under this instead of carrying on with this ridiculous charade where you think you've won some argument with me that we never had. Sound cool?"*Yawns* Mini-feud? Insulting & dogmatic? Which one of us said: "p.s. I guess it's your intention to fill another thread with completely unrelated proselytizing drivel" Lol | |||
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"If it satisfies you... I suggest you write me a private message with absolutely all of the arguments you can think of for why there isn't a god and I promise that if there's anything remotely novel in it which I don't already know is based on faulty logic then I will personally start a thread devoted to it and we can duke it out. Hopefully in that way we can draw a line under this instead of carrying on with this ridiculous charade where you think you've won some argument with me that we never had. Sound cool?" You've already had a tranche of my views. Start there... http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/419785 Lol | |||
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"Right well you've defeated your own argument then. So we are indeed in the best era ever. So not very likely the be the era that "they" finally got us in a death grip and turned us into billions of slaves serving the 1%, the godfather, puff the magic drafon or whoever else Russel Brand dreams up this week. Since average joe was indeed in a death grip prior to things like the black death, all your historical conspiracies have led to a grand total of fuck all for the elites who have conceded power every step of the way. There was no pesky educated middle class in the good old days you know. What your calling conspiracy is just what most people see as basic human frailty. Now that's psychology 101." I think you're confusing me suggesting that conspiracies happen everywhere with me saying conspiracies are successful. Most conspiracies are only followed by a small group of self serving people... some take place in bigger organisations... some along family lines... and some throughout the generations. Most conspiracies fail... or succeed only to a limited extent. My definition of conspiracy is a private agreement between people to try and further their own ends. Whether that works or not is a totally different issue.. and whether any of them reach global proportions or not is also another issue. I certainly don't believe in any of that David Ike bullshit about lizards and crap... but then I never said I did. I just don't believe that our history was built upon a series of incompetent fuddles. I mean... what do you think strategists are for? | |||
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" My definition of conspiracy is a private agreement between people to try and further their own ends. Whether that works or not is a totally different issue.. and whether any of them reach global proportions or not is also another issue. I certainly don't believe in any of that David Ike bullshit about lizards and crap... but then I never said I did. I just don't believe that our history was built upon a series of incompetent fuddles. I mean... what do you think strategists are for?" In my experience strategists exist to tell decision makers what they want to hear. Your definition, which I don't think anyone would agree with, is ridiculous. It would include all businesses, trade unions, political parties, brothels, football clubs - need I go on? Any sensible definition of conspiracy includes a deliberate attempt to cause harm or do something illegal. | |||
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"If it satisfies you... I suggest you write me a private message with absolutely all of the arguments you can think of for why there isn't a god and I promise that if there's anything remotely novel in it which I don't already know is based on faulty logic then I will personally start a thread devoted to it and we can duke it out. Hopefully in that way we can draw a line under this instead of carrying on with this ridiculous charade where you think you've won some argument with me that we never had. Sound cool? You've already had a tranche of my views. Start there... http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/419785 Lol "Ok. In that case you have failed to offer me a single reason which isn't fallacious in some way. Why should I bother to "argue" with you when I'd only really be educating you? I mean... what's in it for me? At least give me a reason that you might be able to win. Then at least there might be some kind of surprise in it for me. Sorry if that sounds a bit condescending but it's where I'm at with this subject. I'm quite comfortable with all of the arguments you've presented. They offer me no trouble whatsoever. The problem between us has nothing to do with your arguments against a god... its to do with your abrasive personality, your stupid attempt to argue with someone who merely wanted you to list, not defend, why you didn't believe in a god, and your resulting delusions that you somehow won an argument we never had. Just a word of advice... if an OP specifies that the original poster promises not to argue back about anything posted, as the OP did in the link above... to feign that you have somehow won an argument with this person is like beating up someone who's got their hands tied behind their back. Well done for beating me in an argument where I was duty bound not to argue back. What a big man you are | |||
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"If it satisfies you... I suggest you write me a private message with absolutely all of the arguments you can think of for why there isn't a god and I promise that if there's anything remotely novel in it which I don't already know is based on faulty logic then I will personally start a thread devoted to it and we can duke it out. Hopefully in that way we can draw a line under this instead of carrying on with this ridiculous charade where you think you've won some argument with me that we never had. Sound cool? You've already had a tranche of my views. Start there... http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/419785 Lol
Ok. In that case you have failed to offer me a single reason which isn't fallacious in some way. Why should I bother to "argue" with you when I'd only really be educating you? I mean... what's in it for me? At least give me a reason that you might be able to win. Then at least there might be some kind of surprise in it for me. Sorry if that sounds a bit condescending but it's where I'm at with this subject.
I'm quite comfortable with all of the arguments you've presented. They offer me no trouble whatsoever. The problem between us has nothing to do with your arguments against a god... its to do with your abrasive personality, your stupid attempt to argue with someone who merely wanted you to list, not defend, why you didn't believe in a god, and your resulting delusions that you somehow won an argument we never had.
Just a word of advice... if an OP specifies that the original poster promises not to argue back about anything posted, as the OP did in the link above... to feign that you have somehow won an argument with this person is like beating up someone who's got their hands tied behind their back. Well done for beating me in an argument where I was duty bound not to argue back. What a big man you are "Your 'question' was flawed in the first place. As I demonstrated. Lol | |||
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"My definition of conspiracy is a private agreement between people to try and further their own ends. Whether that works or not is a totally different issue.. and whether any of them reach global proportions or not is also another issue. I certainly don't believe in any of that David Ike bullshit about lizards and crap... but then I never said I did. I just don't believe that our history was built upon a series of incompetent fuddles. I mean... what do you think strategists are for? In my experience strategists exist to tell decision makers what they want to hear. Your definition, which I don't think anyone would agree with, is ridiculous. It would include all businesses, trade unions, political parties, brothels, football clubs - need I go on? Any sensible definition of conspiracy includes a deliberate attempt to cause harm or do something illegal. " You're quite right businesses, trade unions, political parties, etc... they're all conspiracies. They are the coming together of people in private to forward either their own interests or a specific agenda. Note the absence of fuck ups and muddles
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"Your 'question' was flawed in the first place. As I demonstrated. Lol "What you mean (and I quote)... "I appreciate that atheists don't believe in a god for a number of reasons... but what one reason, above all others, do you class as the most important to you?" I'm baffled as to quite how the question "why are you an atheist?" is flawed. Your mind must be like friggin taglietelle | |||
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"Your 'question' was flawed in the first place. As I demonstrated. Lol
What you mean (and I quote)...
"I appreciate that atheists don't believe in a god for a number of reasons... but what one reason, above all others, do you class as the most important to you?"
I'm baffled as to quite how the question "why are you an atheist?" is flawed. Your mind must be like friggin taglietelle "Read my last four posts, dude. Lol
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"My definition of conspiracy is a private agreement between people to try and further their own ends. Whether that works or not is a totally different issue.. and whether any of them reach global proportions or not is also another issue. I certainly don't believe in any of that David Ike bullshit about lizards and crap... but then I never said I did. I just don't believe that our history was built upon a series of incompetent fuddles. I mean... what do you think strategists are for? In my experience strategists exist to tell decision makers what they want to hear. Your definition, which I don't think anyone would agree with, is ridiculous. It would include all businesses, trade unions, political parties, brothels, football clubs - need I go on? Any sensible definition of conspiracy includes a deliberate attempt to cause harm or do something illegal. You're quite right businesses, trade unions, political parties, etc... they're all conspiracies. They are the coming together of people in private to forward either their own interests or a specific agenda. Note the absence of fuck ups and muddles
Conspiracies are only to do harm or do something illegal?!?! Now who's being simplistic."Please reference a credible source that supports your definition. I can't find one. Conspiracies are by definition, unusual. You just listed our entire economic system, which is by definition, not rare. Unless your point is that history has progressed because people formed organisations - no shit sherlock. Your argument just goes all over the place, it's pretty difficult to find any large organisation that hasn't had a muddle or a fuck up. I try to keep my debates rational based, I like debating people like sexy because I learn something from their alternative, but well presented position. I just can't say the same about you so I'm bored now and won't be continuing. | |||
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"I try to keep my debates rational based, I like debating people like sexy because I learn something from their alternative, but well presented position. I just can't say the same about you so I'm bored now and won't be continuing. " He is a bit. | |||
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"I try to keep my debates rational based, I like debating people like sexy because I learn something from their alternative, but well presented position. I just can't say the same about you so I'm bored now and won't be continuing. He is a bit." I think some people get confused and think that forums are just about arguing, trolling and put downs. There are actually some very clever people on here, amongst others. Personally I come on for an intelligent conversation and to have my views challenged (rationally please) rather than the "how was your weekend" I get at work. Moving on... | |||
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"Your 'question' was flawed in the first place. As I demonstrated. Lol
What you mean (and I quote)...
"I appreciate that atheists don't believe in a god for a number of reasons... but what one reason, above all others, do you class as the most important to you?"
I'm baffled as to quite how the question "why are you an atheist?" is flawed. Your mind must be like friggin taglietelle
Read my last four posts, dude.
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http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/419785"Can you spot the difference between the question... Why are you an atheist? and What proof have you got that a god doesn't exist? is that within your capabilities to discern the difference between those questions? Because I'm starting to get the feeling that I'm talking to a child here | |||
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"My definition of conspiracy is a private agreement between people to try and further their own ends. Whether that works or not is a totally different issue.. and whether any of them reach global proportions or not is also another issue. I certainly don't believe in any of that David Ike bullshit about lizards and crap... but then I never said I did. I just don't believe that our history was built upon a series of incompetent fuddles. I mean... what do you think strategists are for? In my experience strategists exist to tell decision makers what they want to hear. Your definition, which I don't think anyone would agree with, is ridiculous. It would include all businesses, trade unions, political parties, brothels, football clubs - need I go on? Any sensible definition of conspiracy includes a deliberate attempt to cause harm or do something illegal. You're quite right businesses, trade unions, political parties, etc... they're all conspiracies. They are the coming together of people in private to forward either their own interests or a specific agenda. Note the absence of fuck ups and muddles
Conspiracies are only to do harm or do something illegal?!?! Now who's being simplistic.
Please reference a credible source that supports your definition. I can't find one.
Conspiracies are by definition, unusual. You just listed our entire economic system, which is by definition, not rare. Unless your point is that history has progressed because people formed organisations - no shit sherlock.
Your argument just goes all over the place, it's pretty difficult to find any large organisation that hasn't had a muddle or a fuck up.
I try to keep my debates rational based, I like debating people like sexy because I learn something from their alternative, but well presented position. I just can't say the same about you so I'm bored now and won't be continuing. "Your worldview essentially says that everything is a fuddle and no conspiracies happen because you've managed to define conspiracy as "conspiracy: something that doesn't happen". This is a non-explanative point of view that fails to describe the world we see around us. My worldview says that there are millions of different conspiracies going on all the time, people meeting in private to help serve their own interests or some other agenda. Yes this means that they are ten a penny... but it's a lot better than saying muddles and fuck ups are ten a penny as at least my worldview describes the world we see around us. But more importantly... because I state that conspiracies are ten a penny... it gives us a bubbling soup of small conspiracies from which bigger conspiracies might possibily boil up. This means that it is possible that America did invade Iraq for the oil, whereas your worldview wouldn't allow for such a "conspiracy" because conspiracies never happen in your worldview. So far from being unexplanative and boring... my outlook is explanative... but you just don't like it. Oh well fair play... there goes that confirmation bias again | |||
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" Why are you an atheist? and What proof have you got that a god doesn't exist? " The burden of proof is on he who makes the assertion, in your case the existence of a god. What proof do you have that one exists? | |||
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" Why are you an atheist? and What proof have you got that a god doesn't exist? The burden of proof is on he who makes the assertion, in your case the existence of a god. What proof do you have that one exists?" Do both questions require proof? | |||
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" Do both questions require proof?" Nope. Atheism is merely refusing to believe an assertion that isn't backed up by evidence. There is no evidence of a deity - hence a 'leap of' faith, is just that. | |||
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" Do both questions require proof? Nope. Atheism is merely refusing to believe an assertion that isn't backed up by evidence. There is no evidence of a deity - hence a 'leap of' faith, is just that. " Exactly! I rest my case. I merely asked people why they were Athiests. I did not ask them to prove that a god didn't exist. Therefore any of the arguments about the burden of proof being on my shoulders were entirely unrelated to the question as I wasn't asking a question that required any proof whatsoever Thx Jimi I thought I was going mad | |||
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" Do both questions require proof? Nope. Atheism is merely refusing to believe an assertion that isn't backed up by evidence. There is no evidence of a deity - hence a 'leap of' faith, is just that. Exactly! I rest my case. I merely asked people why they were Athiests. I did not ask them to prove that a god didn't exist. Therefore any of the arguments about the burden of proof being on my shoulders were entirely unrelated to the question as I wasn't asking a question that required any proof whatsoever Thx Jimi I thought I was going mad "Exactly. There is no evidence whatsoever to back up the assertion that a god or gods exist - ergo, until some presents itself, I am content to disregard that theory. Ergo: there is no god. | |||
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" is that within your capabilities to discern the difference between those questions? Because I'm starting to get the feeling that I'm talking to a child here" And this illuminati asks that you keep the personal digs out of the debate please. Thanks. | |||
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" Do both questions require proof? Nope. Atheism is merely refusing to believe an assertion that isn't backed up by evidence. There is no evidence of a deity - hence a 'leap of' faith, is just that. Exactly! I rest my case. I merely asked people why they were Athiests. I did not ask them to prove that a god didn't exist. Therefore any of the arguments about the burden of proof being on my shoulders were entirely unrelated to the question as I wasn't asking a question that required any proof whatsoever Thx Jimi I thought I was going mad
Exactly.
There is no evidence whatsoever to back up the assertion that a god or gods exist - ergo, until some presents itself, I am content to disregard that theory.
Ergo: there is no god. "Yes that's your rationalising of why you are an atheist | |||
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" Do both questions require proof? Nope. Atheism is merely refusing to believe an assertion that isn't backed up by evidence. There is no evidence of a deity - hence a 'leap of' faith, is just that. Exactly! I rest my case. I merely asked people why they were Athiests. I did not ask them to prove that a god didn't exist. Therefore any of the arguments about the burden of proof being on my shoulders were entirely unrelated to the question as I wasn't asking a question that required any proof whatsoever Thx Jimi I thought I was going mad
Exactly.
There is no evidence whatsoever to back up the assertion that a god or gods exist - ergo, until some presents itself, I am content to disregard that theory.
Ergo: there is no god.
Yes that's your rationalising of why you are an atheist"And also: why anyone who choses to have faith must disregard logic in order to do so. | |||
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" Do both questions require proof? Nope. Atheism is merely refusing to believe an assertion that isn't backed up by evidence. There is no evidence of a deity - hence a 'leap of' faith, is just that. Exactly! I rest my case. I merely asked people why they were Athiests. I did not ask them to prove that a god didn't exist. Therefore any of the arguments about the burden of proof being on my shoulders were entirely unrelated to the question as I wasn't asking a question that required any proof whatsoever Thx Jimi I thought I was going mad
Exactly.
There is no evidence whatsoever to back up the assertion that a god or gods exist - ergo, until some presents itself, I am content to disregard that theory.
Ergo: there is no god.
Yes that's your rationalising of why you are an atheist
And also: why anyone who choses to have faith must disregard logic in order to do so. "Yes you believe your logic is correct. I completely sympathise with that. I don't think we need to take this any further. We've managed to make the case, quite convincingly, that the question "why are you an atheist?" does not warrant a burden of proof counter argument. Whilst, if I was going to ask you to convince me that there was no god that would be absurd as the burden of proof is on my shoulders to prove to you that there is a god. This is why joe's "argument" with me about burden of proof was irrelevent to the debate as I wasn't looking for either proof or to argue... I was merely asking why people were atheists. p.s. sorry jez | |||
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"Any sensible definition of conspiracy includes a deliberate attempt to cause harm or do something illegal." Actually mixedcouple I take that back. I've just been looking at a few dictionaries and I can see where you're getting your definition from. The word conspiracy is referred to as both "the act of conspiring" and "a plan or agreement formulated in secret by two or more persons to commit an unlawful, harmful, or treacherous act" Where I get my definition from is from the definition of "conspire" which is both "to agree together secretly to do something wrong, evil or illegal", "to act or work together toward the same goal" and "to contrive, plot". So no... what you would call "conspiracies" aren't the norm, although obviously some of these do go on in the world of organised crime in particular. But people do "conspire" and "plot" to achieve certain ends, sometimes for their own good, sometimes for another agenda. And some of the most well-meaning of this type of "conspiracies", in particular in the interests of national security, are the worst. So I see where you've got your reading from... can you see why I read it the way I do? | |||
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"Any sensible definition of conspiracy includes a deliberate attempt to cause harm or do something illegal. Actually mixedcouple I take that back. I've just been looking at a few dictionaries and I can see where you're getting your definition from. The word conspiracy is referred to as both "the act of conspiring" and "a plan or agreement formulated in secret by two or more persons to commit an unlawful, harmful, or treacherous act" Where I get my definition from is from the definition of "conspire" which is both "to agree together secretly to do something wrong, evil or illegal", "to act or work together toward the same goal" and "to contrive, plot". So no... what you would call "conspiracies" aren't the norm, although obviously some of these do go on in the world of organised crime in particular. But people do "conspire" and "plot" to achieve certain ends, sometimes for their own good, sometimes for another agenda. And some of the most well-meaning of this type of "conspiracies", in particular in the interests of national security, are the worst. So I see where you've got your reading from... can you see why I read it the way I do?" *CObullshitFFS* | |||
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"Here's a twist. I actually opened the original link that the OP put up, seems I left it running in the background for a couple of days :o It's some old New World Order conspiracy tripe BUT it links to this guy's photobucket a/c I can tell you our disappearing illuminati hunter LOVES * WWF and combat vids * the band KISS * retro porn How very odd... "Meanwhile on planet earth..."" Now got Kiss's "love gun" in my head! (oo er!) | |||
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"The people will believe whatever the media tells them to believe. George Orwell." | |||
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See Gravitly Falls on Cartoon Network/YouTube
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"Here's a twist. I actually opened the original link that the OP put up, seems I left it running in the background for a couple of days :o It's some old New World Order conspiracy tripe BUT it links to this guy's photobucket a/c I can tell you our disappearing illuminati hunter LOVES * WWF and combat vids * the band KISS * retro porn How very odd... "Meanwhile on planet earth..." Now got Kiss's "love gun" in my head! (oo er!)" gene simmons is a lizard?
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"Here's a twist. I actually opened the original link that the OP put up, seems I left it running in the background for a couple of days :o It's some old New World Order conspiracy tripe BUT it links to this guy's photobucket a/c I can tell you our disappearing illuminati hunter LOVES * WWF and combat vids * the band KISS * retro porn How very odd... "Meanwhile on planet earth..." Now got Kiss's "love gun" in my head! (oo er!) gene simmons is a lizard?
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