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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its material that exists in space.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is it?"

It isn't... at least not yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure,but it's easier to remove with wet wipes and after shave.

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By *ittle Pocket PerveWoman
over a year ago

Portsmouth

It's a sci-fi programme... Been watching it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What is it?

It isn't... at least not yet

so one day it will be something?

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

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It's the invisible stuff in space that provides the gravitational pull that stops galaxies flying apart and keeps them in clusters rather than randomly scattered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is it?

It isn't... at least not yet

so one day it will be something?"

if it exists... yes

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's the invisible stuff in space that provides the gravitational pull that stops galaxies flying apart and keeps them in clusters rather than randomly scattered "

I thought the black hole at the centre of the galaxy held it together!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What is it?

It isn't... at least not yet

so one day it will be something?

if it exists... yes

so you've created something out of nothing? cool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are 'dark patches' in the universe, that nobody exactly knows what they are but by observing what happens near and around them they can give it a guess.

http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It s a lot like an honest MP.

Everyone has heard of it,but not a single trace has yet to be found.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is it?

It isn't... at least not yet

so one day it will be something?

if it exists... yes

so you've created something out of nothing? cool."

It's a theory at the moment. Only an idea. Its their excuse for why their maths is wrong. If we find it then it exists and their maths is saved by its existence. If we don't find it then basically they were just shit at maths

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work."

I'm having an argument with a friend atm about this - I have an awful feeling that we're looking for something that isn't there and that the problem of dark matter is simply a problem with our cosmological model.

Like when we workout that the the earth goes round the sun, not vise versa.

Something basic like has been misunderstood.

imo

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is it?

It isn't... at least not yet

so one day it will be something?

if it exists... yes

so you've created something out of nothing? cool.

Actually, to be accurate, they weren't just shit at maths... they were 95.1% shit at maths

That's a whole lot of shit! Which, coincidentally... is what dark matter is imo lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not sure,but it's easier to remove with wet wipes and after shave. "

Pmsl!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure Sheldon will figure it out...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is it?"

Well it really depends on what colour dark matter we're talking about here....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work.

Like when we workout that the the earth goes round the sun, not vise versa.

Something basic like has been misunderstood.

imo

Educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter"

Educate yourself? cheek, I have a maths degree...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work.

Like when we workout that the the earth goes round the sun, not vise versa.

Something basic like has been misunderstood.

imo

Educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter"

you don't think all this missing matter is in the black holes at the centre of every galaxy? after all black holes were not even excepted when the missing 95.1% was calculated.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

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It is God

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over a year ago

"Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work.

Like when we workout that the the earth goes round the sun, not vise versa.

Something basic like has been misunderstood.

imo

Educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

you don't think all this missing matter is in the black holes at the centre of every galaxy? after all black holes were not even excepted when the missing 95.1% was calculated."

That's not how black holes work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well, it is dark. And matter. And it matters. Beyond that, no one really knows yet. Got to love science.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is God "

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god."

I don't believe time started with the big bang

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work.

Like when we workout that the the earth goes round the sun, not vise versa.

Something basic like has been misunderstood.

imo

Educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

you don't think all this missing matter is in the black holes at the centre of every galaxy? after all black holes were not even excepted when the missing 95.1% was calculated.

That's not how black holes work."

there's no matter in black holes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang "

Furthermore... by saying that time started with the Big Bang it shows you haven't grasped Big Bang theory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work.

Like when we workout that the the earth goes round the sun, not vise versa.

Something basic like has been misunderstood.

imo

Educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

you don't think all this missing matter is in the black holes at the centre of every galaxy? after all black holes were not even excepted when the missing 95.1% was calculated.

That's not how black holes work.

there's no matter in black holes?"

well... there's probably a few of my missing socks

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Well, it is dark. And matter. And it matters. Beyond that, no one really knows yet. Got to love science."

Science has caused some shit , but seriously and literally science has got us out the shit a lot more

Science loves not knowing xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang "

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine."

well not according to your own logic it isn't

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well, it is dark. And matter. And it matters. Beyond that, no one really knows yet. Got to love science.

Science has caused some shit , but seriously and literally science has got us out the shit a lot more

Science loves not knowing xx"

I hate not knowing....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine.

well not according to your own logic it isn't"

explain!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work.

Like when we workout that the the earth goes round the sun, not vise versa.

Something basic like has been misunderstood.

imo

Educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

you don't think all this missing matter is in the black holes at the centre of every galaxy? after all black holes were not even excepted when the missing 95.1% was calculated.

That's not how black holes work.

there's no matter in black holes?"

Yes, the core of a collapsed star.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine.

well not according to your own logic it isn't

explain!"

Big Bang theory doesn't say the Big Bang created time... that's just some wild speculation that you've chosen to believe in

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

Furthermore... by saying that time started with the Big Bang it shows you haven't grasped Big Bang theory"

Un fair he has grasped the one he read , it's possible I think , maybe , and a good stab with the data and maths available , however I don't think the currant expansion from singularity theory has enough supporting data

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work.

Like when we workout that the the earth goes round the sun, not vise versa.

Something basic like has been misunderstood.

imo

Educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

you don't think all this missing matter is in the black holes at the centre of every galaxy? after all black holes were not even excepted when the missing 95.1% was calculated.

That's not how black holes work.

there's no matter in black holes?

Yes, the core of a collapsed star. "

and every thing its sucked in in the last billion or so years...

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over a year ago

"Well, it is dark. And matter. And it matters. Beyond that, no one really knows yet. Got to love science.

Science has caused some shit , but seriously and literally science has got us out the shit a lot more

Science loves not knowing xx"

Oh, yes. There is no model yet that can reliably predict whether a new model for an aeroplane will fly but we can land space craft on asteroids. Go figure.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine.

well not according to your own logic it isn't

explain!

Big Bang theory doesn't say the Big Bang created time... that's just some wild speculation that you've chosen to believe in"

every theory is wild speculation. and mine is as valid as yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

Furthermore... by saying that time started with the Big Bang it shows you haven't grasped Big Bang theory

From what I've read even the question "did time begin with the Big Bang?" is nonsense. It's a bit like asking what the sentence before the first sentence of a book was

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Well, it is dark. And matter. And it matters. Beyond that, no one really knows yet. Got to love science.

Science has caused some shit , but seriously and literally science has got us out the shit a lot more

Science loves not knowing xx

I hate not knowing...."

Don't live in hate, there will always be stuff we don't or cannot know xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work.

Like when we workout that the the earth goes round the sun, not vise versa.

Something basic like has been misunderstood.

imo

Educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

you don't think all this missing matter is in the black holes at the centre of every galaxy? after all black holes were not even excepted when the missing 95.1% was calculated.

That's not how black holes work.

there's no matter in black holes?

Yes, the core of a collapsed star.

and every thing its sucked in in the last billion or so years..."

The massive gravity destroys much of it. What survives is expelled out the other side just in a different form.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine.

well not according to your own logic it isn't

explain!

Big Bang theory doesn't say the Big Bang created time... that's just some wild speculation that you've chosen to believe in

every theory is wild speculation. and mine is as valid as yours."

That's cool... but your theory isn't Big Bang theory as the Big Bang started after time had already started. So somehow you've managed to do what no other scientist has done and rewind the clock to zero. Well done

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work.

Like when we workout that the the earth goes round the sun, not vise versa.

Something basic like has been misunderstood.

imo

Educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

you don't think all this missing matter is in the black holes at the centre of every galaxy? after all black holes were not even excepted when the missing 95.1% was calculated.

That's not how black holes work.

there's no matter in black holes?

Yes, the core of a collapsed star.

and every thing its sucked in in the last billion or so years...

The massive gravity destroys much of it. What survives is expelled out the other side just in a different form."

out the other side? as in worm hole?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's not how black holes work.

there's no matter in black holes?

Yes, the core of a collapsed star.

and every thing its sucked in in the last billion or so years...

The massive gravity destroys much of it. What survives is expelled out the other side just in a different form."

Tha other side? Is that anywhere near Lewisham?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Well, it is dark. And matter. And it matters. Beyond that, no one really knows yet. Got to love science.

Science has caused some shit , but seriously and literally science has got us out the shit a lot more

Science loves not knowing xx

Oh, yes. There is no model yet that can reliably predict whether a new model for an aeroplane will fly but we can land space craft on asteroids. Go figure."

I think you have illustrated your exceptional grasp of science, engineering, physics and statistics in your above x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine.

well not according to your own logic it isn't

explain!

Big Bang theory doesn't say the Big Bang created time... that's just some wild speculation that you've chosen to believe in

every theory is wild speculation. and mine is as valid as yours.

there we shall have to agree to disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dark matter is a conjectural substance that goes, with dark energy to creating the missing 95.1% of the universe necessary to make our current cosmological model work.

Like when we workout that the the earth goes round the sun, not vise versa.

Something basic like has been misunderstood.

imo

Educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

you don't think all this missing matter is in the black holes at the centre of every galaxy? after all black holes were not even excepted when the missing 95.1% was calculated.

That's not how black holes work.

there's no matter in black holes?

Yes, the core of a collapsed star.

and every thing its sucked in in the last billion or so years...

The massive gravity destroys much of it. What survives is expelled out the other side just in a different form.

out the other side? as in worm hole?"

No.

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over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine.

well not according to your own logic it isn't

explain!

Big Bang theory doesn't say the Big Bang created time... that's just some wild speculation that you've chosen to believe in

every theory is wild speculation. and mine is as valid as yours."

I think the trouble with yours in comparison to mine is that yours is theologically motivated whilst mine is not.

You are asking us to believe that something we know exists and can't possibly imagine ever ending somehow started... just because that's where the maths runs out and you don't want to allow any room for a god to possibly exist. I'd say the burden of proof lies on your shoulders.

I, on the other hand, regardless of whether it helps the notion of a god existing or not, simply refuse to accept the logic that time began. Instead, it seems obvious... nay axiomatic... that it didn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine.

well not according to your own logic it isn't

explain!

Big Bang theory doesn't say the Big Bang created time... that's just some wild speculation that you've chosen to believe in

every theory is wild speculation. and mine is as valid as yours.

there we shall have to agree to disagree."

Umm sorry.. this is just a fact its not a matter of opinion. It's like differing over whether horses have 54 legs or not lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine.

well not according to your own logic it isn't

explain!

Big Bang theory doesn't say the Big Bang created time... that's just some wild speculation that you've chosen to believe in

every theory is wild speculation. and mine is as valid as yours.

there we shall have to agree to disagree.

Umm sorry.. this is just a fact its not a matter of opinion. It's like differing over whether horses have 54 legs or not lol

not fact. and hawking's agrees with me. or I agree with him. who agrees with you?

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over a year ago

"Well, it is dark. And matter. And it matters. Beyond that, no one really knows yet. Got to love science.

Science has caused some shit , but seriously and literally science has got us out the shit a lot more

Science loves not knowing xx

Oh, yes. There is no model yet that can reliably predict whether a new model for an aeroplane will fly but we can land space craft on asteroids. Go figure.

I think you have illustrated your exceptional grasp of science, engineering, physics and statistics in your above x "

Of course. The formula is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang "
Same here, time have always existed, the scientist cant get their head around it so made this big bang theory to be believable. As humans have to have answers to everything, infact space have always existed.

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over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine.

well not according to your own logic it isn't

explain!

Big Bang theory doesn't say the Big Bang created time... that's just some wild speculation that you've chosen to believe in

every theory is wild speculation. and mine is as valid as yours.

there we shall have to agree to disagree.

Umm sorry.. this is just a fact its not a matter of opinion. It's like differing over whether horses have 54 legs or not lol

not fact. and hawking's agrees with me. or I agree with him. who agrees with you?"

Lol You really think you're right on this don't you. Most cosmologists say that space and time are infinite. And you've misinterpretted Hawking's remarks. Hawking doesn't BELIEVE that time did not exist before the Big Bang. His remarks that we should pretend that time began with the Big Bang are motivated by epistemological reasons i.e. the fact that the question lies beyond the limits of human knowledge.

The fact is that we don't have the answer to that question and we may never have the answer to that question, so Hawking's solution is to ignore it. I believe that there is no reason to believe it didn't exist. And most cosmoloists would agree with me. Perhaps, if you need answers so much maybe you should become a Christian or a Muslim or something... I hear they've got whole books full of answers for you

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over a year ago

"Well, it is dark. And matter. And it matters. Beyond that, no one really knows yet. Got to love science.

Science has caused some shit , but seriously and literally science has got us out the shit a lot more

Science loves not knowing xx

Oh, yes. There is no model yet that can reliably predict whether a new model for an aeroplane will fly but we can land space craft on asteroids. Go figure.

I think you have illustrated your exceptional grasp of science, engineering, physics and statistics in your above x

Of course. The formula is?"

E=MC Hammer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well, it's there's dark matter and the grey matter and light matter,which are the god particles of the university

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over a year ago

"Well, it is dark. And matter. And it matters. Beyond that, no one really knows yet. Got to love science.

Science has caused some shit , but seriously and literally science has got us out the shit a lot more

Science loves not knowing xx

Oh, yes. There is no model yet that can reliably predict whether a new model for an aeroplane will fly but we can land space craft on asteroids. Go figure.

I think you have illustrated your exceptional grasp of science, engineering, physics and statistics in your above x

Of course. The formula is?

E=MC Hammer

There is no formula. Whoever finds one will be very rich.

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over a year ago

"It is God

time started with the big bang. therefore they was no time before the big bang for god to exist to create the big bang. ergo, no god.

I don't believe time started with the big bang

there are other thoughts but big bangs mine.

well not according to your own logic it isn't

explain!

Big Bang theory doesn't say the Big Bang created time... that's just some wild speculation that you've chosen to believe in

every theory is wild speculation. and mine is as valid as yours.

there we shall have to agree to disagree.

Umm sorry.. this is just a fact its not a matter of opinion. It's like differing over whether horses have 54 legs or not lol

not fact. and hawking's agrees with me. or I agree with him. who agrees with you?

Question. if you travelled to the edge of the universe past the last galaxy and looked out. what would you see?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course time existed before the big bang, just not the way we understand it now as time can be affected by many factors, the biggest of which is gravity, which was probably very different (or non-existent) in the time before the big bang.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a sci-fi programme... Been watching it

You beat me to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Question. if you travelled to the edge of the universe past the last galaxy and looked out. what would you see?"

Go on then... I'm game. You tell me... what would I see? Most curious

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

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Space/time at the big bang was possibly grainy. Since this would be non-localized and non-correlated one must speak of many times until the univese cooled down to the one space/time we seem to have now.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Well, it is dark. And matter. And it matters. Beyond that, no one really knows yet. Got to love science.

Science has caused some shit , but seriously and literally science has got us out the shit a lot more

Science loves not knowing xx

Oh, yes. There is no model yet that can reliably predict whether a new model for an aeroplane will fly but we can land space craft on asteroids. Go figure.

I think you have illustrated your exceptional grasp of science, engineering, physics and statistics in your above x

Of course. The formula is?

E=MC Hammer

There is no formula. Whoever finds one will be very rich.

The person who discovers a way to harness infinite energy will be rich

What's you point ? Science methodology tries to answer difficult questions but diligently question each others hypothesis ? Openly admitting they do not know ?

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over a year ago

"Question. if you travelled to the edge of the universe past the last galaxy and looked out. what would you see?

Go on then... I'm game. You tell me... what would I see? Most curious

I don't want to tell you, I was simply asking your opinion.

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"Question. if you travelled to the edge of the universe past the last galaxy and looked out. what would you see?

Go on then... I'm game. You tell me... what would I see? Most curious

I don't want to tell you, I was simply asking your opinion."

Well you're asking someone who doesn't believe the universe has an edge what I'd find if I travelled to the edge. I think it'd be more fruitful if you, presumably a person who believes the universe has an edge, can tell me how you think that whole scenario plays out.

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over a year ago

"Well, it is dark. And matter. And it matters. Beyond that, no one really knows yet. Got to love science.

Science has caused some shit , but seriously and literally science has got us out the shit a lot more

Science loves not knowing xx

Oh, yes. There is no model yet that can reliably predict whether a new model for an aeroplane will fly but we can land space craft on asteroids. Go figure.

I think you have illustrated your exceptional grasp of science, engineering, physics and statistics in your above x

Of course. The formula is?

E=MC Hammer

There is no formula. Whoever finds one will be very rich.

The person who discovers a way to harness infinite energy will be rich "

That's easy. You just need a cat, a slice of toast and some butter...

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"What is it?"

Its those Ribena stains which won't wash out of a white blouse

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

George Gamow the Russian scientist who created Mr Tomkins said provided there was enough matter in the universe if you kept going out into space you would eventually arrive back where you started.

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over a year ago

"It's a sci-fi programme... Been watching it

pretty enjoyable too, as is killjoys

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over a year ago

"Question. if you travelled to the edge of the universe past the last galaxy and looked out. what would you see?

Go on then... I'm game. You tell me... what would I see? Most curious

I don't want to tell you, I was simply asking your opinion.

ok. so in my way of thinking. there was a bang, a bubble formed. expanded. our universe. go to the edge and look out. I believe you will see other universes.

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"Question. if you travelled to the edge of the universe past the last galaxy and looked out. what would you see?

Go on then... I'm game. You tell me... what would I see? Most curious

I don't want to tell you, I was simply asking your opinion.

ok. so in my way of thinking. there was a bang, a bubble formed. expanded. our universe. go to the edge and look out. I believe you will see other universes. "

So despite believing that time was created by the Big Bang you're happy to imagine there were other universes BEFORE ours. Hmmm...

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over a year ago

"Question. if you travelled to the edge of the universe past the last galaxy and looked out. what would you see?

Go on then... I'm game. You tell me... what would I see? Most curious

I don't want to tell you, I was simply asking your opinion.

ok. so in my way of thinking. there was a bang, a bubble formed. expanded. our universe. go to the edge and look out. I believe you will see other universes.

So despite believing that time was created by the Big Bang you're happy to imagine there were other universes BEFORE ours. Hmmm...

no. the big bang was a flippant comment that ran away with itself. and the other universes don't have to be older. all part of some cycle. still getting to grips with it.

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over a year ago

"What is it?

Its those Ribena stains which won't wash out of a white blouse"

You've hit on something there Josie...though my thoughts on dark matter being the hard substance in the loo after consuming a bottle of Aldi Red Wine blows all of the other theories above totally out of the water

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"What is it?"

It is what some people emit about 2 days after a heavy night drinking Guinness.

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over a year ago

"Question. if you travelled to the edge of the universe past the last galaxy and looked out. what would you see?

Go on then... I'm game. You tell me... what would I see? Most curious

I don't want to tell you, I was simply asking your opinion.

ok. so in my way of thinking. there was a bang, a bubble formed. expanded. our universe. go to the edge and look out. I believe you will see other universes.

So despite believing that time was created by the Big Bang you're happy to imagine there were other universes BEFORE ours. Hmmm...

no. the big bang was a flippant comment that ran away with itself. and the other universes don't have to be older. all part of some cycle. still getting to grips with it."

My honest advice to you is to move your head over to thinking of the Big Bang as an event, much like a firework going off, that occurred within a volume of space-time. It pretty much solves everything you're struggling with there, its completely and utterly supported by all the science, and the only reason why you wouldn't want to make the switch is purely for theological reasons... which are never good reasons for any kind of science either for or against

Once you're dealing with an infinite volume of space and time then basicaslly you can keep on travelling forever and you'll see all these lovely universes exploding into the night sky all around you. Besides, time, in the end, is really only a local thing. The Big Bang may have started our own clock running but there is no such thing as THE clock... its all soft and spongey... a bit like a lovely pair of boobs

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"George Gamow the Russian scientist who created Mr Tomkins said provided there was enough matter in the universe if you kept going out into space you would eventually arrive back where you started."

That means there must be quite a network of service stations in the universe or you would run out of fuel and these weird coleslawy scotch egg things Ginsters make.

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over a year ago

Theoretical physics= all theory with a purposed formula but no actual evidence

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over a year ago

Time is measured into the atoms now XP

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over a year ago

"What is it?"

Is it the gunge that collects in the cooker when you don't clean it?

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over a year ago

"Theoretical physics= all theory with a purposed formula but no actual evidence "

Not true. A theory without any empirical data to back it up isn't really a theory at all in the world of science. The key thing to get your head round is that evidence isn't actually evidence for anything. We see what we see and then we try to fit our theories to what we see... that doesn't mean our theories are correct. But if they don't fit with what we see then they are almost certainly wrong... unless you tweak them a bit by introducing some new ad hoc theory about why things aren't matching up... which is what dark matter does for the Big Bang theory

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"Theoretical physics= all theory with a purposed formula but no actual evidence "

But if you're talking about multiverse theory and all that other pseudoscience... yeah you're right... absolutely no evidence for any of that stuff. Again, it was only really born out of an attempt to answer how the universe could have been made without a god... but it ends up exacerbating the problem rather than alleviating it

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The thing about time is, it needs somewhere to exist.

So, let's say we go with Big Bang for a moment.

If Big Bang did happen, then clearly there was nowhere prior to that- for time to exist.

So I don't think time, or even maths is that important to the bigger metaphysical question of how our universe came into existence.

Time supervenes on our universe, but it doesn't explain its origin .

Same with maths, maths is just a form of formal logic . The highest form yeah, but it doesn't explain any reality as such, in that you can't use maths to explain why someone breathes . Or even if our universe is expanding.

Maths just reflects the underlying reality- Doesn't go beyond that

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

My daughter (6) asked me what the sun was the other day. A star, I said, a vast ball of fire, bigger than you can possibly imagine but soooo far away it looks small.

She looked at me like I was an idiot.

Then she asked, "How big is the universe?"

Hmm. Short answer - nobody knows. Ask me again in 10 years.

The ultimate point is that cosmology - like all science - a work in progress.

I don;t pretend to know the answer I just feel that we're almost back to Ptolemaic epicycles - jiggling what we observe to fit what we think we know.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"The thing about time is, it needs somewhere to exist.

So, let's say we go with Big Bang for a moment.

If Big Bang did happen, then clearly there was nowhere prior to that- for time to exist.

So I don't think time, or even maths is that important to the bigger metaphysical question of how our universe came into existence.

Time supervenes on our universe, but it doesn't explain its origin .

Maths just reflects the underlying reality- Doesn't go beyond that"

Maybe our universe is in something? Maybe the Big Bang happened to our own universe but time was already in progress elsewhere. Who knows. It is all conjecture.

Anyone who totally dismisses other stuff and claims to know the answer is a liar and a charlatan.

Anyone who claims to believe a certain things because they understand it to be most likely may be wrong but at least they are not a liar.

Anyone who says they are unsure and remains open minded is both right and telling the truth.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

The reason for the conjecture of Dark Matter (DM) is that astrologers from Jan Oort on observed that galaxies, and particulalrly their extremities, spin at rates too fast to be held together by the observable matter.

In other words: water going down a plug hole; that which is closest spins fastest, whereas the water towards the edge ebbs more slowly around the vortex.

Assuming our metaphorical black hole is the plug hole, we would expect similar behaviour.

The fact is that the outsides of galaxies spin *at the same fast* rate as the stars of the interior. So they should fly off. But they don't.

Ergo, there is a presumed 2nd explanation - Dark Matter to account for the missing force that holds it all together.

DM has not (yet) been detected.

But this isn't the full picture...

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

"The reason for the conjecture of Dark Matter (DM) is that astrologers from Jan Oort on observed that galaxies, and particulalrly their extremities, spin at rates too fast to be held together by the observable matter.

In other words: water going down a plug hole; that which is closest spins fastest, whereas the water towards the edge ebbs more slowly around the vortex.

Assuming our metaphorical black hole is the plug hole, we would expect similar behaviour.

The fact is that the outsides of galaxies spin *at the same fast* rate as the stars of the interior. So they should fly off. But they don't.

Ergo, there is a presumed 2nd explanation - Dark Matter to account for the missing force that holds it all together.

DM has not (yet) been detected.

But this isn't the full picture..."

This leads us to another observation of modern cosmology - that the universal expansion appears to be speeding up.

To account for this, physicists have conjectured Dark Energy (DE),

This is an unknown form of energy which is hypothesized to permeate all of space, tending to accelerate the expansion of the universe.

DE is the most accepted hypothesis to explain the observations since the 1990s indicating that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate.

The best current measurements indicate that

* dark energy contributes 68.3% of the total energy in the observable universe

* the mass-energy of dark matter contribute 26.8%

* and ordinary matter 4.9%

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

In other words: water going down a plug hole; that which is closest spins fastest, whereas the water towards the edge ebbs more slowly around the vortex.

Assuming our metaphorical black hole is the plug hole, we would expect similar behaviour.

The fact is that the outsides of galaxies spin *at the same fast* rate as the stars of the interior. So they should fly off. But they don't.

Ergo, there is a presumed 2nd explanation - Dark Matter to account for the missing force that holds it all together.

DM has not (yet) been detected.

But this isn't the full picture...

This leads us to another observation of modern cosmology - that the universal expansion appears to be speeding up.

To account for this, physicists have conjectured Dark Energy (DE),

This is an unknown form of energy which is hypothesized to permeate all of space, tending to accelerate the expansion of the universe.

DE is the most accepted hypothesis to explain the observations since the 1990s indicating that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate.

The best current measurements indicate that

* dark energy contributes 68.3% of the total energy in the observable universe

* the mass-energy of dark matter contribute 26.8%

* and ordinary matter 4.9%

Ladies and gentlemen - the universe is missing.

And 99% of it is made of stuff lighter than air.

Fuckin' love this shit!

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And to top it all.. if we could scale up an Atom's nucleus to four inches the electron cloud would be four miles away with nothing but empty space in between. Iron, for example, is made up of 99.9999999999999% empty space. That's a whole lotta nothing

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over a year ago

"What is it?"

The funkiest glue you could ever imagine whilst doped up with enough acid to drop a herd of african elephants....

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"And to top it all.. if we could scale up an Atom's nucleus to four inches the electron cloud would be four miles away with nothing but empty space in between. Iron, for example, is made up of 99.9999999999999% empty space. That's a whole lotta nothing

I was explaining that to my daughter the other day too

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By *ouble_The_DelightCouple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"It's a sci-fi programme... Been watching it

We watch it also, good series.

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over a year ago

"It's a sci-fi programme... Been watching it

We watch it also, good series."

the female captain 2, is hotttt...the android sucks though

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Theoretical physics= all theory with a purposed formula but no actual evidence

No it wasn't lol

As you like to express that you imagine a creator being exists I wonder how you rationalise it's effort creating malaria, TB, and hiv?

What is the cosmos and it's investigation has zero to do with disproving the numerous god concepts,

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Theoretical physics= all theory with a purposed formula but no actual evidence

No it wasn't lol

As you like to express that you imagine a creator being exists I wonder how you rationalise it's effort creating malaria, TB, and hiv?

What is the cosmos and it's investigation has zero to do with disproving the numerous god concepts,

And off piste, so let's not confuse (dark) matters...

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"What is it?

Its those Ribena stains which won't wash out of a white blouse

I am going to stay off the Aldi Red from now on

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

If you got some Aldi Red left I can help you finish it.

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over a year ago

"Theoretical physics= all theory with a purposed formula but no actual evidence

No it wasn't lol

As you like to express that you imagine a creator being exists I wonder how you rationalise it's effort creating malaria, TB, and hiv?

What is the cosmos and it's investigation has zero to do with disproving the numerous god concepts"

To my knowledge, multiverse theory was proposed in response to things like the flatness problem, which give off the air of our universe being finely tuned for life. The best explanation they could come up with at the time was that it was probably one of zillions attempts at making a universe and thus happened by random chance i.e. their explanation was theologically motivated

There is absolutely no evidence for a multiverse and no science to support it... so I can't see why else it was thought up. But maybe you can enlighten me

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"Theoretical physics= all theory with a purposed formula but no actual evidence

No it wasn't lol

As you like to express that you imagine a creator being exists I wonder how you rationalise it's effort creating malaria, TB, and hiv?

What is the cosmos and it's investigation has zero to do with disproving the numerous god concepts

There is absolutely no evidence for a multiverse and no science to support it... so I can't see why else it was thought up. But maybe you can enlighten me

if I was thinking from an anthropic view..a multiverse exists on every thought..

plus i watched sliders and the one.

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over a year ago

"The thing about time is, it needs somewhere to exist.

So, let's say we go with Big Bang for a moment.

If Big Bang did happen, then clearly there was nowhere prior to that- for time to exist.

So I don't think time, or even maths is that important to the bigger metaphysical question of how our universe came into existence.

Time supervenes on our universe, but it doesn't explain its origin .

Maths just reflects the underlying reality- Doesn't go beyond that

Maybe our universe is in something? Maybe the Big Bang happened to our own universe but time was already in progress elsewhere. Who knows. It is all conjecture.

Anyone who totally dismisses other stuff and claims to know the answer is a liar and a charlatan.

Anyone who claims to believe a certain things because they understand it to be most likely may be wrong but at least they are not a liar.

Anyone who says they are unsure and remains open minded is both right and telling the truth."

Fair comment, and I'd agree you have to keep an open mind.

Must admit I find the idea of multi universes hard to get my head round!

But it's def logically possible , problem is you kind of get an infinite regress, or vicious circle.

Ok so universe 1 and 2 etc, how did any of it come into being.

Yeah it's a head fuck!

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over a year ago

It's a construct to bodge the fact that conventional theory doesn't adequately explain the workings of the universe.

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By *irceWoman
over a year ago

Gloucester

"What is it?"

Cern is looking in to this, check them out.

Do some quantum physics reading for light entertainment

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Theoretical physics= all theory with a purposed formula but no actual evidence

No it wasn't lol

As you like to express that you imagine a creator being exists I wonder how you rationalise it's effort creating malaria, TB, and hiv?

What is the cosmos and it's investigation has zero to do with disproving the numerous god concepts

There is absolutely no evidence for a multiverse and no science to support it... so I can't see why else it was thought up. But maybe you can enlighten me

Multiverse theory can have a perfectly reasonable justification. It is merely an infinite extention of what our current limits of observations have given us ? Plausible yes ? Probable, I would not say so?

For me a multiverse does NOT illustrate a creator being is none existent ! Randomness can sometimes be subjective my pi x

Diesese and suffering are my reasons for not thinking any of the god concepts I've heard could be a way to the truth

I don't think dark matter is stringy I do think the probability of it existing in some form, quite high

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

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Ann Thropic - now there is a girl who can see good in everything.

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