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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf." Balls. I'll get my coat  | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf." There was me thinking that was some kind of swinging configuration like MMF etc... | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf.There was me thinking that was some kind of swinging configuration like MMF etc..." Most boys will try to sweep you off your feet... a man will catch you when you fall. takes one to know one wink wink nudge nudge  | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf.There was me thinking that was some kind of swinging configuration like MMF etc... Most boys will try to sweep you off your feet... a man will catch you when you fall. takes one to know one wink wink nudge nudge "Nice digest | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf." so a man who knows his screws.... | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf. so a man who knows his screws.... "Ace!  | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf.There was me thinking that was some kind of swinging configuration like MMF etc... Most boys will try to sweep you off your feet... a man will catch you when you fall. takes one to know one wink wink nudge nudge
Nice digest "hahah *curtsies* lmao
In all seriousness, and i think i'll get alot of people disagreeing with me, but the role of a man in society has been subdued ( men's fault.) So the true identity of the male has been lost somewhat.
Males are providers, females are nurturers, society has set it up so males can only provide under certain terms (glorified slavery) and of course this applies to the working female too.
this becomes the norm and the true shape is lost.
I think gender roles have changed a lot in the past however many years, and has consequently demasculinated men and caused a fair amount of confusion as to what a man 'is'.
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf.There was me thinking that was some kind of swinging configuration like MMF etc... Most boys will try to sweep you off your feet... a man will catch you when you fall. takes one to know one wink wink nudge nudge
Nice digest
hahah *curtsies* lmao
In all seriousness, and i think i'll get alot of people disagreeing with me, but the role of a man in society has been subdued ( men's fault.) So the true identity of the male has been lost somewhat.
Males are providers, females are nurturers, society has set it up so males can only provide under certain terms (glorified slavery) and of course this applies to the working female too.
this becomes the norm and the true shape is lost.
I think gender roles have changed a lot in the past however many years, and has consequently demasculinated men and caused a fair amount of confusion as to what a man 'is'.
"I agree with you, joke aside. Roles seem to have changed somewhat and I think it is possibly be more confusing for men than for women espeically when it comes to so-called etiquette e,g, who holds the door open for whom althought that is just an example. Perhaps we should think of it foremost as what makes a person a real person before delving into what makes a "real" man...or woman. Think I should withdraw the thread and consider the implications more | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf.There was me thinking that was some kind of swinging configuration like MMF etc... Most boys will try to sweep you off your feet... a man will catch you when you fall. takes one to know one wink wink nudge nudge
Nice digest
hahah *curtsies* lmao
In all seriousness, and i think i'll get alot of people disagreeing with me, but the role of a man in society has been subdued ( men's fault.) So the true identity of the male has been lost somewhat.
Males are providers, females are nurturers, society has set it up so males can only provide under certain terms (glorified slavery) and of course this applies to the working female too.
this becomes the norm and the true shape is lost.
I think gender roles have changed a lot in the past however many years, and has consequently demasculinated men and caused a fair amount of confusion as to what a man 'is'.
I agree with you, joke aside. Roles seem to have changed somewhat and I think it is possibly be more confusing for men than for women espeically when it comes to so-called etiquette e,g, who holds the door open for whom althought that is just an example.
Perhaps we should think of it foremost as what makes a person a real person before delving into what makes a "real" man...or woman.
Think I should withdraw the thread and consider the implications more "hehe oh i could have a great discussion on 'real' lmao it would be long-winded but most enjoyable :D as for reconsidering the implications... i bow to your wisdom | |||
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"One who has lived alone for any considerable period of time will obviously give a substantially different answer to one who has been constantly in either one or several different relationships
Sorry I couldn't be arsed to work out where to use apostrophes in this particular post "Hey, apostrophes are so sexy when in the wrong place ... and a casual attitude towards them and their use is absolutely irresistable | |||
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" as for reconsidering the implications... i bow to your wisdom "That's what they all say and next thing I know I am in deep trouble | |||
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" as for reconsidering the implications... i bow to your wisdom That's what they all say and next thing I know I am in deep trouble "hahaha i'll catch you dont worry | |||
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"I think we had this question recently. I can't remember what I said but to me it's one who is laying right next to me. *catches next train to Ilford "Did you see my comment on the thread about verifications? | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf. What happened to bsw and imperial??... "I have plenty of AF spanners, and also a metric adjustable one  | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf.There was me thinking that was some kind of swinging configuration like MMF etc... Most boys will try to sweep you off your feet... a man will catch you when you fall. takes one to know one wink wink nudge nudge
Nice digest
hahah *curtsies* lmao
In all seriousness, and i think i'll get alot of people disagreeing with me, but the role of a man in society has been subdued ( men's fault.) So the true identity of the male has been lost somewhat.
Males are providers, females are nurturers, society has set it up so males can only provide under certain terms (glorified slavery) and of course this applies to the working female too.
this becomes the norm and the true shape is lost.
I think gender roles have changed a lot in the past however many years, and has consequently demasculinated men and caused a fair amount of confusion as to what a man 'is'.
"You say the 'true' identify of the male is lost. You say the 'true' shape of society is lost. What is the true identify of a male and of society. I'm assuming you are talking this society. | |||
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" . It's simple. Be the best person you can be,and you will subsequently be something better than a man or a woman. You'll be a human and a good one at that." That is good enough for me! | |||
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"Just wondering... "He looks something like my stickman drawings but with naughty bits between his legs | |||
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"Most boys will try to sweep you off your feet... a man will catch you when you fall. In all seriousness, and i think i'll get alot of people disagreeing with me, but the role of a man in society has been subdued ( men's fault.) So the true identity of the male has been lost somewhat. Males are providers, females are nurturers, society has set it up so males can only provide under certain terms (glorified slavery) and of course this applies to the working female too. this becomes the norm and the true shape is lost. I think gender roles have changed a lot in the past however many years, and has consequently demasculinated men and caused a fair amount of confusion as to what a man 'is'. "Well said | |||
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"Just wondering... "a gentleman ,a man who turns up ,a man who respects a woman's wishes ,a man who looks after his lady I would like to think me x | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf.There was me thinking that was some kind of swinging configuration like MMF etc... Most boys will try to sweep you off your feet... a man will catch you when you fall. takes one to know one wink wink nudge nudge
Nice digest
hahah *curtsies* lmao
In all seriousness, and i think i'll get alot of people disagreeing with me, but the role of a man in society has been subdued ( men's fault.) So the true identity of the male has been lost somewhat.
Males are providers, females are nurturers, society has set it up so males can only provide under certain terms (glorified slavery) and of course this applies to the working female too.
this becomes the norm and the true shape is lost.
I think gender roles have changed a lot in the past however many years, and has consequently demasculinated men and caused a fair amount of confusion as to what a man 'is'.
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"A real man is a man with curves same goes for women too" You're right. Men and women are fake if they ain't fat. | |||
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"A real man is a man with curves same goes for women too You're right. Men and women are fake if they ain't fat." Phew; I am fat; I'll work on getting fatter; my ultimate goal is to be morbidly obese | |||
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"A real man is a man with curves same goes for women too You're right. Men and women are fake if they ain't fat. Phew; I am fat; I'll work on getting fatter; my ultimate goal is to be morbidly obese " You will be THE ULTIMATE WOMAN! | |||
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"A real man is a man with curves same goes for women too You're right. Men and women are fake if they ain't fat. Phew; I am fat; I'll work on getting fatter; my ultimate goal is to be morbidly obese You will be THE ULTIMATE WOMAN!" but house-bound with 'feeders' to rely on; never mind; its a small price to pay to be considered 'real' | |||
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"In the past I have been told by two women that I am not a "real" man because I am too nice! One even told me her last boyfriend was a "real" man because he had hit her. She left me and went back to him! Strange, but sadly very true "You were supposed to find out where they lived. Kick the front door in, shoot the guy, give her a big kiss and tell her she'll be forever safe in your arms. (Then elope to a country with no extradition back into the UK. You just shot someone.) | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf." Oh god, I'm a man
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf.There was me thinking that was some kind of swinging configuration like MMF etc... Most boys will try to sweep you off your feet... a man will catch you when you fall. takes one to know one wink wink nudge nudge
Nice digest
hahah *curtsies* lmao
In all seriousness, and i think i'll get alot of people disagreeing with me, but the role of a man in society has been subdued ( men's fault.) So the true identity of the male has been lost somewhat.
Males are providers, females are nurturers, society has set it up so males can only provide under certain terms (glorified slavery) and of course this applies to the working female too.
this becomes the norm and the true shape is lost.
I think gender roles have changed a lot in the past however many years, and has consequently demasculinated men and caused a fair amount of confusion as to what a man 'is'.
"I'm happy that gender roles are changing and I am not a fan of men who think they have to be The Man. Men like that often seem to think they need to be in charge all the time and that women are possessions to be controlled and jealously guarded. I want an equal partner, not an owner; someone who is happy for me to be the capable person I am and values me for it. I don't want anyone who thinks I'm weak or feeble or that there are 'man's jobs' that are their responsibility and I shouldn't be allowed to do (if I want to). I appreciate good manners and men that will protect women where necessary but I prefer it if it's done from respect and consideration than from thinking of women as weaker and in need of a man. I want to be with a man because I want to be with him, not merely because I need him. I also don't appreciate men who think it's a woman's role to look after them and do all the housework. I think men should be able to take care of themselves just as much as women should. People should want to be together for who their partner is, not what they can do for them. A real man is one that exists in reality. Any man is equally as real as the next man. They shouldn't have to fit into some mould dictated by society. Body builder, mechanic, ballet dancer or hairdresser, it makes no difference to me. | |||
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"They have a "top knot" They go to the gym and stare at themselves after a workout They have their eyebrows shaped They have a beard (because they're "in") They drive a Prius "You forgot the meaningless tattoos all up their arms, the beard is worthless without them | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf." But- but- but- I own a socket set, and I learned the difference between British Standard Pipe and Unified National FIne when I was only 10 years old.... and I know the difference between a No 1 and a Plug tap... and the difference between a flat file and a hand file... ... oh dear - something's gone terribly, terribly wrong... ..... breaks down into floods of tears and rushes off to bake cupcakes...  | |||
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Seriously though who knows we all have our likes and dislikes and preferences as to how a man looks in our eyes...I guess for me My Dad is a real man.. | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf." God that is old school, next you will be mentioning whitworth. | |||
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"As they say, treat them mean, keep them keen. A true man takes no crap and does as he pleases "As who say ? Your drinking buddies who can't get women ? | |||
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"They have a "top knot" They go to the gym and stare at themselves after a workout They have their eyebrows shaped They have a beard (because they're "in") They drive a Prius
You forgot the meaningless tattoos all up their arms, the beard is worthless without them "But tattoos don't need meaning. That's too Miami Ink for me | |||
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"Is the definition of a real man set in stone? I hunt, fish, fix cars, build random engineering projects, perform DIY tasks, look at hot women and occasionally skip a shower. But I'm also a single father of 3 kids so I also carry out the of mum, so washing, cooking, cleaning and everything else...." Shit. You are my dad reincarnated. | |||
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"Males are providers, females are nurturers" Because of course you can sum up the wants and desires of billions of people in six words. Rigid gender roles like that are what make men unhappy, not being 'demasculised' | |||
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"Ooh I haven't been in this thread since my flippant comment near the beginning. There have been a lot of really good posts. The question who am I has been a really important question for me for the last 20 odd years and has helped me to redefine what I do and and at times what I value, as I have discovered more about myself. That has meant that my definition of what it meant be a man became less relevant as I endeavoured to discover who I really am" Nah Doc, it just means yer getting old like the rest of us codgers | |||
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"Ooh I haven't been in this thread since my flippant comment near the beginning. There have been a lot of really good posts. The question who am I has been a really important question for me for the last 20 odd years and has helped me to redefine what I do and and at times what I value, as I have discovered more about myself. That has meant that my definition of what it meant be a man became less relevant as I endeavoured to discover who I really am Nah Doc, it just means yer getting old like the rest of us codgers "Very true #OldCodgers&Farts'R'Us | |||
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"So the true identity of the male has been lost somewhat. Males are providers, females are nurturers " Well shit. I didn't get that memo. Does that mean I have to pop out some babies and quit my job in case some people think I'm a man? | |||
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"So the true identity of the male has been lost somewhat. Males are providers, females are nurturers Well shit. I didn't get that memo. Does that mean I have to pop out some babies and quit my job in case some people think I'm a man?" Don't think so. It is not a "must" or any other categoric imperative - just how nature evolved making women the child bearers and men the hunters - for now. Who knows where evolution will take mankind in a few hundred or thousand years. | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf." ...no wonder I'm wearing dresses...gulp.. | |||
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"A man who owns a socket set and knows the difference between bsp and unf. ...no wonder I'm wearing dresses...gulp.." | |||
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"I'm gonna be making an attempt to repair the garden fence later today. Success will add to my manliness, virility and overall testosterone fuelled sex appeal. Failure, and I'll have to buy a handbag and purse." I've mended fences,unblocked toilets,changed car batteries,painted doors and I only have one handbag out of necessity. It's good to not conform | |||
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"Would it be manlier if I did it in the rain?" With your shirt off and barefoot | |||
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"Would it be manlier if I did it in the rain? With your shirt off and barefoot " | |||
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"I'm gonna be making an attempt to repair the garden fence later today. Success will add to my manliness, virility and overall testosterone fuelled sex appeal. Failure, and I'll have to buy a handbag and purse. I've mended fences,unblocked toilets,changed car batteries,painted doors and I only have one handbag out of necessity. It's good to not conform "It its a handbag full of gnarled, well used, grease stained tools then its a MANbag | |||
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"A real man if there is such a thing is Compassionate, strong , confident , kind, witty , articulate, tender , gentle, passionate, have self belief and must be a gentleman . This is what the Pooch says "I would agree and add that except for the "gentleman" bit at the end this is also true for a "real" woman - so perhaps we are not all that different after all? | |||
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"A real man if there is such a thing is Compassionate, strong , confident , kind, witty , articulate, tender , gentle, passionate, have self belief and must be a gentleman . This is what the Pooch says
I would agree and add that except for the "gentleman" bit at the end this is also true for a "real" woman - so perhaps we are not all that different after all? " | |||
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"A real man if there is such a thing is Compassionate, strong , confident , kind, witty , articulate, tender , gentle, passionate, have self belief and must be a gentleman . This is what the Pooch says
I would agree and add that except for the "gentleman" bit at the end this is also true for a "real" woman - so perhaps we are not all that different after all? "I'm not sure 'real' people have to be any of those things to be honest. I'm not particularly compassionate, or strong, or confident. Some people say I'm not very kind, others say I'm not witty. I don't really believe in myself either. I'm not particularly gentle and I wouldn't label myself as passionate. Articulate though... I'm pretty articulate.
But I'm still real. And so is my partner who also don't have most of those qualities according to most people. | |||
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"So the true identity of the male has been lost somewhat. Males are providers, females are nurturers Well shit. I didn't get that memo. Does that mean I have to pop out some babies and quit my job in case some people think I'm a man?" Who unchained you from the sink? | |||
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"A real man if there is such a thing is Compassionate, strong , confident , kind, witty , articulate, tender , gentle, passionate, have self belief and must be a gentleman . This is what the Pooch says
I would agree and add that except for the "gentleman" bit at the end this is also true for a "real" woman - so perhaps we are not all that different after all?
I'm not sure 'real' people have to be any of those things to be honest.
I'm not particularly compassionate, or strong, or confident. Some people say I'm not very kind, others say I'm not witty. I don't really believe in myself either. I'm not particularly gentle and I wouldn't label myself as passionate.
Articulate though... I'm pretty articulate.
But I'm still real. And so is my partner who also don't have most of those qualities according to most people."Actually you made me think about what I said earlier and perhaps what I said says more about my own values rather than a general definition. Maybe therein lies the key? Maybe we do define a "real" man or woman in terms of our very own set of values which has more to do with our upbringing and social context than about an "absolute" kind of concept. | |||
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"Wondering if a real man is a man who does not actually woryy about other people's perception of him but follows his own path and values?" Exactly. | |||
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"A real man if there is such a thing is Compassionate, strong , confident , kind, witty , articulate, tender , gentle, passionate, have self belief and must be a gentleman . This is what the Pooch says
I would agree and add that except for the "gentleman" bit at the end this is also true for a "real" woman - so perhaps we are not all that different after all?
I'm not sure 'real' people have to be any of those things to be honest.
I'm not particularly compassionate, or strong, or confident. Some people say I'm not very kind, others say I'm not witty. I don't really believe in myself either. I'm not particularly gentle and I wouldn't label myself as passionate.
Articulate though... I'm pretty articulate.
But I'm still real. And so is my partner who also don't have most of those qualities according to most people.Actually you made me think about what I said earlier and perhaps what I said says more about my own values rather than a general definition.
Maybe therein lies the key? Maybe we do define a "real" man or woman in terms of our very own set of values which has more to do with our upbringing and social context than about an "absolute" kind of concept."Definitely. Plus, this changes depending on social and media based drives. For sanity's sake, your best bet is to only take notice in small doses! | |||
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"Oh it's a silly term made to belittle others Just as real women have curves ,belittles every other woman that does not fit that subjective ideal" Exactly. 'Real men treat women like X', 'real women have curves', 'real men know how to fix a car', 'real women have a vagina'. All those nasty little things that people say that actually just affirm their own life choices and put down everyone else in the process. Real men are humans that identify as men. Real women are humans that identify as women. And you don't even have to be a woman or a man if you don't want to. | |||
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