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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So this is being discussed as a possibility due to the increase of sexual assaults in the tube (which is more accurately an increase in reported cases due to a campaign to get people to report these attacks) - but surely tge solution is for men to stop thinking it's okay to molest women in crowded tube carriages? Is segregation really a solution?

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

Segregation is not THE solution but it's a possible answer for a while.

Why do we have a society where certain members think it's acceptable to rub up against/get a handful of/make vile remarks to/expose themselves to other users of public transport, mostly men victimising women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So this is being discussed as a possibility due to the increase of sexual assaults in the tube (which is more accurately an increase in reported cases due to a campaign to get people to report these attacks) - but surely tge solution is for men to stop thinking it's okay to molest women in crowded tube carriages? Is segregation really a solution?"

Absolutely. When I read this I felt it was a sensationalist story by the media. Further reading suggests it's in practice in Dheli?

Are the assaults actually this high that such action will resolve the problem?

It's a sad day when we have to segregate gender to protect them.

I think more pro - active action to ensure females safety is needed,as such a measure would only push offenders elsewhere?

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

No its not the solution the solution is more/longer trains so that everyone has a seat but I don't see that happening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So this is being discussed as a possibility due to the increase of sexual assaults in the tube (which is more accurately an increase in reported cases due to a campaign to get people to report these attacks) - but surely tge solution is for men to stop thinking it's okay to molest women in crowded tube carriages? Is segregation really a solution?"

Of course you're right, but if that's the solution how do you enforce it or make it happen? How to suddenly make guys that are inclined to do such a thing suddenly stop? You only need to do a quick forum search to see the number of guys (and ladies) that like to 'flash' strangers to know that there's a lot of people out there that are keen to do inappropriate things.

So great vision OP - but need ways to implement it. I agree I'm not sure single sex carriages are the answer and how easy it will be to enforce them on a rush hour when the trains are jam packed ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How would this be policed? I can't imagine at rush hour people would pay a woman only carriage much mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

I don't know how separate carriages can be policed,especially in rush hour when it's absolute carnage on the underground

I understand the thinking behind the idea though,if women feel vulnerable then they have a safe place,sad that it's come to this

I don't necessarily agree with the idea though,I don't know that having separate carriages will stop sexual predators being sexual predators

I'm not sure what the answer is? more publicity? stricter punishment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So this is being discussed as a possibility due to the increase of sexual assaults in the tube (which is more accurately an increase in reported cases due to a campaign to get people to report these attacks) - but surely tge solution is for men to stop thinking it's okay to molest women in crowded tube carriages? Is segregation really a solution?

Of course you're right, but if that's the solution how do you enforce it or make it happen? How to suddenly make guys that are inclined to do such a thing suddenly stop? You only need to do a quick forum search to see the number of guys (and ladies) that like to 'flash' strangers to know that there's a lot of people out there that are keen to do inappropriate things.

So great vision OP - but need ways to implement it. I agree I'm not sure single sex carriages are the answer and how easy it will be to enforce them on a rush hour when the trains are jam packed ..."

Beat me to it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saw this as another Corbyn barnpot propaganda story.

If it's such a problem they should invest the money on making the network safer for all rather than running special trains. Cracking down on the saddo's that get such a thrill.

Besides a train full of Women would surely attract more chancers waiting at stations for ladies to get off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So this is being discussed as a possibility due to the increase of sexual assaults in the tube (which is more accurately an increase in reported cases due to a campaign to get people to report these attacks) - but surely tge solution is for men to stop thinking it's okay to molest women in crowded tube carriages? Is segregation really a solution?"

I'd be ok with this. I've been touched far too many times on the tube.

It's a slow battle to win the war against misogyny.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it's such a problem they should invest the money on making the network safer for all rather than running special trains. Cracking down on the saddo's that get such a thrill.

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I remember once when I was touched I said to very loudly so that everyone else could hear 'stop touching my cunt, I don't know who you are' and a train full of strangers simply looked at their feet and did nothing, while I tried to shove a much bigger man (I'm 5ft tall, and he was over 6ft and muscular) away from me.

They all just looked away from me and pretended that they didn't hear me.

It's not TFL that needs to make the network safer. It's fellow human beings who need to do the right thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So this is being discussed as a possibility due to the increase of sexual assaults in the tube (which is more accurately an increase in reported cases due to a campaign to get people to report these attacks) - but surely tge solution is for men to stop thinking it's okay to molest women in crowded tube carriages? Is segregation really a solution?

I'd be ok with this. I've been touched far too many times on the tube.

It's a slow battle to win the war against misogyny."

I'm not sure it's misogyny but rather criminal innapropriate behaviour....in a very strange way !

Many of us have sexual tastes and urges, but most of us know when it's inappropriate to act upon it,especially when the other party hasn't consented.

There's lots of valid comments above, and probably the best solution is less crowded tube? But that will never happen I guess. Maybe a more challenging attitude from the public to any criminal behaviour would force offenders away?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

I find it incredibly sad that this is even up for discussion. (I don't mean this thread, just in general). The fact that women (and indeed sometimes men) are subjected to assaults when they are travelling by tube or any other form of transport. Which part of that is okay?

It's a big can of worms in terms of how we as a society change that. But the can is clearly open given the incidents that are reported and I'm sure there are a bucket load which go unreported but where do you start? There's something wrong with people who commit such crimes but how do you stop that? By moving women into specific carriages to separate them from men to me just seems like we're going backwards but what's the alternative? You take the temptation out of the way but it's a short term fix (if it even fixes it). What's to stop the people committing the crime just finding a different venue? Like the walk home from the tube station when there are no witnesses to help or CCTV in place?

Some days I totally despair of the world we live in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saw this as another Corbyn barnpot propaganda story.

If it's such a problem they should invest the money on making the network safer for all rather than running special trains. Cracking down on the saddo's that get such a thrill.

Besides a train full of Women would surely attract more chancers waiting at stations for ladies to get off. "

Employe more railway coppers and get new tracks and trains...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I find it incredibly sad that this is even up for discussion. (I don't mean this thread, just in general). The fact that women (and indeed sometimes men) are subjected to assaults when they are travelling by tube or any other form of transport. Which part of that is okay?

It's a big can of worms in terms of how we as a society change that. But the can is clearly open given the incidents that are reported and I'm sure there are a bucket load which go unreported but where do you start? There's something wrong with people who commit such crimes but how do you stop that? By moving women into specific carriages to separate them from men to me just seems like we're going backwards but what's the alternative? You take the temptation out of the way but it's a short term fix (if it even fixes it). What's to stop the people committing the crime just finding a different venue? Like the walk home from the tube station when there are no witnesses to help or CCTV in place?

Some days I totally despair of the world we live in. "

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything."

Why not educate men rather than have to teach women how to protect themselves?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The mindset of a pervert that thinks feeling someone up on the underground, would probably make them take a different tack. Their twisted logic will probably tell them that any woman NOT on the women only carriage is just asking for it and would love to be felt up. Bigger carriages, maybe a better police or guard presence, and maybe just maybe if the public actually stepped in to help if something did occur.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Far easier to film something now and upload it rather than step in. Once floored a male for kicking a woman and spitting in her face. When I held him on the floor for the Police people got brave and started to film it then telling me they were going to report me for assault. We live in a mad world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything.

Why not educate men rather than have to teach women how to protect themselves?"
Good point. I'm not sure self defence lessons is realistic anyway.

I agree with the education aspect but sadly many sex offenders are unlikely to adjust to the point where they will never feel the urge again.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

This is another cracking pot idea by Corbyn to get in the headlines.

The underground is to busy to have separate carriages for a start.

More cctv, station staff and BTP on the system is a better answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything.

Why not educate men rather than have to teach women how to protect themselves?"

I don't know what sort of education these Men and Women who do this need. I had a pretty standard education and know it's wrong.

I think a harsher deterent would work better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything.

Why not educate men rather than have to teach women how to protect themselves?"

I agree, but there will always be those who do this, do both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything."

I don't agree with that.

We should be teaching our boys not to rape, rather than our girls to defend themselves. By teaching girls that they NEED to know self defence (and that being compulsory, it's as important as Maths and English) then we are teaching that this is just a part of society and this is just how it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything.

Why not educate men rather than have to teach women how to protect themselves?

I don't know what sort of education these Men and Women who do this need. I had a pretty standard education and know it's wrong.

I think a harsher deterent would work better. "

Deterrents only work to a point, more research into the people who offend may help us find some answers, education into these kind of crimes wouldn't be a bad idea, along with the self defence lessons, we'll never stop it completely, but it's a step in the right direction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Far easier to film something now and upload it rather than step in. Once floored a male for kicking a woman and spitting in her face. When I held him on the floor for the Police people got brave and started to film it then telling me they were going to report me for assault. We live in a mad world. "

I would always, always step in. That's how I was brought up, the same as my brothers and most of the people I know (of my age). I have even told my kids the same. When they're adults, they can make the decision themselves, but I know what that decision will be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything.

I don't agree with that.

We should be teaching our boys not to rape, rather than our girls to defend themselves. By teaching girls that they NEED to know self defence (and that being compulsory, it's as important as Maths and English) then we are teaching that this is just a part of society and this is just how it is."

I don't know how we can teach people not to rape, they already know it's wrong and do it anyway, but there is room for educating and discussing in classrooms, along with murder and child abuse. I always feel that there isn't enough done to find out more about the people that commit the crimes, deterrents only come into play once the crime has been committed, and a persons life has been ruined.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

It's a sticking plaster rather than anything which addresses the root problem but it may help short-term.

What would concern me is how the segregation would affect how women are thought of. Would it make women seem even more unattainable or desirable to a certain element and merely move the assaults elsewhere, or perhaps even increase them further?

How far should we take this? Not allowing women out without a chaperone would probably decrease assaults but is that a direction we want to move in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything.

Why not educate men rather than have to teach women how to protect themselves?

I don't know what sort of education these Men and Women who do this need. I had a pretty standard education and know it's wrong.

I think a harsher deterent would work better.

Deterrents only work to a point, more research into the people who offend may help us find some answers, education into these kind of crimes wouldn't be a bad idea, along with the self defence lessons, we'll never stop it completely, but it's a step in the right direction."

I saw a figure some time ago that if you work backwards statistically from the amount of suspected sexual assaults in America, then you came up with the figure that around one in six men in the US will sexually assault someone in their lifetime.

One in six.

So you were saying about the 'kind of people who offend'? Because looking around, that's an awful lot of people.

The fact is it isn't a type of man who sexually assaults someone. He's not got a criminal mindset. It's just normalised to the degree where lots of people can't even see that it's wrong. (Like in another thread this morning where someone made a joke about non consensual sexual activity - it's so normal.)

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By *atelotmanMan
over a year ago

Chatham

I remember a few years ago,my ex an I were on a crowded tube train,when I heard this male cry out " bitch you just broken my fingers",this was followd by my ex "say if you go round groping females an think you can away with it your bloody wrong" poor bloke picked the wrong ass to grope.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything.

I don't agree with that.

We should be teaching our boys not to rape, rather than our girls to defend themselves. By teaching girls that they NEED to know self defence (and that being compulsory, it's as important as Maths and English) then we are teaching that this is just a part of society and this is just how it is.

I don't know how we can teach people not to rape, they already know it's wrong and do it anyway, but there is room for educating and discussing in classrooms, along with murder and child abuse. I always feel that there isn't enough done to find out more about the people that commit the crimes, deterrents only come into play once the crime has been committed, and a persons life has been ruined."

The TV show sex in the classroom apparently had good results in changing boy's attitudes to girl's so more education programmes could well help.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh


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We should be teaching our boys not to rape, rather than our girls to defend themselves. By teaching girls that they NEED to know self defence (and that being compulsory, it's as important as Maths and English) then we are teaching that this is just a part of society and this is just how it is."

This is what I think too. I don't think it does any harm for everyone to know basic self defence but I do think we need to address the reason it's required. Having said that, I'm not sure I needed a compulsory lesson to know that violence in any shape or form is bad. So does this spin it back to the parents?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not going to work. The rail companies fail to stop people using their phones in a quiet carriage.

Also there are same sex sexual attacks.

Plus what about transgendered, or gender identity passengers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything.

Why not educate men rather than have to teach women how to protect themselves?

I don't know what sort of education these Men and Women who do this need. I had a pretty standard education and know it's wrong.

I think a harsher deterent would work better.

Deterrents only work to a point, more research into the people who offend may help us find some answers, education into these kind of crimes wouldn't be a bad idea, along with the self defence lessons, we'll never stop it completely, but it's a step in the right direction.

I saw a figure some time ago that if you work backwards statistically from the amount of suspected sexual assaults in America, then you came up with the figure that around one in six men in the US will sexually assault someone in their lifetime.

One in six.

So you were saying about the 'kind of people who offend'? Because looking around, that's an awful lot of people.

The fact is it isn't a type of man who sexually assaults someone. He's not got a criminal mindset. It's just normalised to the degree where lots of people can't even see that it's wrong. (Like in another thread this morning where someone made a joke about non consensual sexual activity - it's so normal.)"

So would you say the " normalisation " was the area to look into, a lot of porn these days has women being held down with a hand around their throats, there is quite a lot of abusive and legal porn out there, mostly with women being abused, but assaults were happening long before porn. Do you think this kind of porn isn't helpful?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I remember being on a packed tube when living in london and having to bend down to pick up my laptop bag this guy said mmmmmmm nice bottom and licked his lips I was like WTF

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything.

I don't agree with that.

We should be teaching our boys not to rape, rather than our girls to defend themselves. By teaching girls that they NEED to know self defence (and that being compulsory, it's as important as Maths and English) then we are teaching that this is just a part of society and this is just how it is.

I don't know how we can teach people not to rape, they already know it's wrong and do it anyway, but there is room for educating and discussing in classrooms, along with murder and child abuse. I always feel that there isn't enough done to find out more about the people that commit the crimes, deterrents only come into play once the crime has been committed, and a persons life has been ruined.

The TV show sex in the classroom apparently had good results in changing boy's attitudes to girl's so more education programmes could well help."

I never got to see that programme, I'll see if it's online somewhere. If it was successful then it should be used, along with several other approaches. Why aren't governments and chief constables etc looking into this more, rather than people on a forum, do they really care?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone heard of the porn in Japan, men touching up girls on trains, fantasy/reality crossover?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The solution is for people to respect each other and not to see a busy location as an opportunity to grope someone.

However, how likely is that given some of the threads on here in the past about just such actions?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I think as well intended as it may be you are going to open up a whole can of worms... if you have women only carriages what next... you have the mobile free carriage, bring back a smoking carriage, how about a child free carriage, obviously a man only carriage to compensate for the female only carriage as well

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By *picycplCouple
over a year ago

Eastbourne

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By *picycplCouple
over a year ago

Eastbourne


"Free self defence lessons for women, not the only thing, but it might help, they should teach it to girls in schools as part of the curriculum, along with some theory on awareness. It's awful that we live in a society where segregation is an answer to anything.

Why not educate men rather than have to teach women how to protect themselves?"

Because criminals are criminals they don't care about the laws. You can try to teach a criminal what they are doing is wrong but a criminal will commit crime regardless. So better to teach how to defend against criminals than try to teach a criminal to not be a criminal.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Saw this as another Corbyn barnpot propaganda story.

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It's interesting how this has been reported. Corbyn has said it's something to consider not the solution or that he intends to do it. But it's been reported as though it's his suggestion and he definitely wants to do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it were easier to report and have these men caught it may deter them from offending. If other passengers aren't willing to help a lone woman he can disappear into the crowd and not suffer any consequences. I think if you pulled the emergency lever when you are assaulted people would be very pissed off about being delayed. They then may feel they should help. I don't think women only carriages will stop it and during off peak times they could be sitting empty

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

If it is happening that much that they need to segregate women then I would be more worried about mens attitudes to women. Maybe the men should be told to keep their hands to themselves.

However, there was a thread not long ago with a man saying he had been touched up ( or rubbed up against can't remember which ) on the tube by a woman so it isn't just men who do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it is happening that much that they need to segregate women then I would be more worried about mens attitudes to women. Maybe the men should be told to keep their hands to themselves.

However, there was a thread not long ago with a man saying he had been touched up ( or rubbed up against can't remember which ) on the tube by a woman so it isn't just men who do it."

Difference is many Guys would be flattered at getting felt up by a woman.

Not saying it's right from either side - just pointing out the difference that is is seen as wrong for a guy to touch a woman but ok for a woman to touch a guy.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

there is.

its called the buffet carriage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Living in the countryside in Wales I had pretty much no idea that this was such a problem.

Very sad indeed

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"If it is happening that much that they need to segregate women then I would be more worried about mens attitudes to women. Maybe the men should be told to keep their hands to themselves.

However, there was a thread not long ago with a man saying he had been touched up ( or rubbed up against can't remember which ) on the tube by a woman so it isn't just men who do it.

Difference is many Guys would be flattered at getting felt up by a woman.

Not saying it's right from either side - just pointing out the difference that is is seen as wrong for a guy to touch a woman but ok for a woman to touch a guy."

I hear what you're saying but I don't think either is right. I understand the difference because I think you're right about men being more likely to be flattered but I'd never invade someone's personal space in that way, either seriously or in jest. I'd guess it's not as big of a threat that way round but it still makes me uncomfortable to think it's viewed differently. Neither are acceptable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think many men would feel flattered about being felt up by me on the tube..

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

My immediate thought is no it's not the answer.

Not thought anything through as yet.

It would seem that women might feel safer.

I'd see it as women's movements being curtailed because of the actions of some men. Or as men being branded as sex offenders.

Comes to something when you have to avoid your own species.

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By *agicfingerslovelyMan
over a year ago

Rugby

Jeremy Corbyn is the only candidate to keep and improve staffing on the trains and tube and this idea is part of this package - some people on here seem to want to take it out of context and do nothing about safety of women and other passengers by supporting cuts to staffing.

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By *agicfingerslovelyMan
over a year ago

Rugby

Also think the idea is to have this on night services with panic buttons on the train and tube train itself with a direct line to transport police centres as well as on the stations themselves. Seems a good idea to me.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"So this is being discussed as a possibility due to the increase of sexual assaults in the tube (which is more accurately an increase in reported cases due to a campaign to get people to report these attacks) - but surely tge solution is for men to stop thinking it's okay to molest women in crowded tube carriages? Is segregation really a solution?

Absolutely. When I read this I felt it was a sensationalist story by the media. Further reading suggests it's in practice in Dheli?

Are the assaults actually this high that such action will resolve the problem?

It's a sad day when we have to segregate gender to protect them.

I think more pro - active action to ensure females safety is needed,as such a measure would only push offenders elsewhere? "

I'd say it IS needed in Delhi.

There remains the belief that women are chattle and owned and second class in India.

Cast your mind back a few months maybe a year where a bus load of men raped a female student. She sustained horrific injuries and none of the men on the bus did anything.

If I remember correctly there was some objectification of her as a whore for being in western clothes or going to college. Having ideas above her station and therefore rapeable in their eyes.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

cant they just sit on different roofs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also think the idea is to have this on night services with panic buttons on the train and tube train itself with a direct line to transport police centres as well as on the stations themselves. Seems a good idea to me. "

They have emergency stop buttons already.

This whole idea is ridiculous. Women arent the only vulnerable group out there, the LGBT community suffers from hate crimes - you don't hear them saying they need their own carriages. Ethnic minorities get racist attacks - do they need the own carriages too?

Treat the disease not the symptoms.

If you can't go a whole train journey without sexually assaulting or hurting someone then you need to be sent to a special place that doesn't have trains - simples.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Some women would find it a big plus to have these women o my carriages, as they can rest assured there won't be men there ogling at them, molesting them and generally making them feel uncomfortable on their journey.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So this is being discussed as a possibility due to the increase of sexual assaults in the tube (which is more accurately an increase in reported cases due to a campaign to get people to report these attacks) - but surely tge solution is for men to stop thinking it's okay to molest women in crowded tube carriages? Is segregation really a solution?

Of course you're right, but if that's the solution how do you enforce it or make it happen? How to suddenly make guys that are inclined to do such a thing suddenly stop? You only need to do a quick forum search to see the number of guys (and ladies) that like to 'flash' strangers to know that there's a lot of people out there that are keen to do inappropriate things.

So great vision OP - but need ways to implement it. I agree I'm not sure single sex carriages are the answer and how easy it will be to enforce them on a rush hour when the trains are jam packed ..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it is happening that much that they need to segregate women then I would be more worried about mens attitudes to women. Maybe the men should be told to keep their hands to themselves.

However, there was a thread not long ago with a man saying he had been touched up ( or rubbed up against can't remember which ) on the tube by a woman so it isn't just men who do it.

Difference is many Guys would be flattered at getting felt up by a woman.

Not saying it's right from either side - just pointing out the difference that is is seen as wrong for a guy to touch a woman but ok for a woman to touch a guy.

I hear what you're saying but I don't think either is right. I understand the difference because I think you're right about men being more likely to be flattered but I'd never invade someone's personal space in that way, either seriously or in jest. I'd guess it's not as big of a threat that way round but it still makes me uncomfortable to think it's viewed differently. Neither are acceptable. "

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

If anyone is getting molested/harassed/threatened on public transport and you don't feel safe calling 999 (perhaps you're alone in a train carriage with the attacker and you don't want to provoke them) you can text British Transport Police on 61016 to report it. Let them know where you are and describe the incident and the attacker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also think the idea is to have this on night services with panic buttons on the train and tube train itself with a direct line to transport police centres as well as on the stations themselves. Seems a good idea to me.

They have emergency stop buttons already.

This whole idea is ridiculous. Women arent the only vulnerable group out there, the LGBT community suffers from hate crimes - you don't hear them saying they need their own carriages. Ethnic minorities get racist attacks - do they need the own carriages too?

Treat the disease not the symptoms.

If you can't go a whole train journey without sexually assaulting or hurting someone then you need to be sent to a special place that doesn't have trains - simples. "

People being attacked I think will more likely be helped by others. Someone having a sly grope and being called a perv may not. I would always stand by a person who asks for help. I don't turn a blind eye.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London


"Also think the idea is to have this on night services with panic buttons on the train and tube train itself with a direct line to transport police centres as well as on the stations themselves. Seems a good idea to me.

They have emergency stop buttons already.

This whole idea is ridiculous. Women arent the only vulnerable group out there, the LGBT community suffers from hate crimes - you don't hear them saying they need their own carriages. Ethnic minorities get racist attacks - do they need the own carriages too?

Treat the disease not the symptoms.

If you can't go a whole train journey without sexually assaulting or hurting someone then you need to be sent to a special place that doesn't have trains - simples.

People being attacked I think will more likely be helped by others. Someone having a sly grope and being called a perv may not. I would always stand by a person who asks for help. I don't turn a blind eye.

"

There needs to be more of this: looking out for one another. It's like we all wear blinkers! Women-only carriages won't fix the problem, just move it somewhere else.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Also think the idea is to have this on night services with panic buttons on the train and tube train itself with a direct line to transport police centres as well as on the stations themselves. Seems a good idea to me.

They have emergency stop buttons already.

This whole idea is ridiculous. Women arent the only vulnerable group out there, the LGBT community suffers from hate crimes - you don't hear them saying they need their own carriages. Ethnic minorities get racist attacks - do they need the own carriages too?

Treat the disease not the symptoms.

If you can't go a whole train journey without sexually assaulting or hurting someone then you need to be sent to a special place that doesn't have trains - simples.

People being attacked I think will more likely be helped by others. Someone having a sly grope and being called a perv may not. I would always stand by a person who asks for help. I don't turn a blind eye.

"

Unfortunately most of these attacks are slyly done and difficult to see unless you're the one getting assaulted! And most victims don't kick off or draw attention to it, most will just move away and carry their distress silently with them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So this is being discussed as a possibility due to the increase of sexual assaults in the tube (which is more accurately an increase in reported cases due to a campaign to get people to report these attacks) - but surely tge solution is for men to stop thinking it's okay to molest women in crowded tube carriages? Is segregation really a solution?

I'd be ok with this. I've been touched far too many times on the tube.

It's a slow battle to win the war against misogyny."

And misandry.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

crispandry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its accepting there's a problem.. And not stopping the cause.

We aren't in a segregated society.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London


"Its accepting there's a problem.. And not stopping the cause.

We aren't in a segregated society."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If anyone is getting molested/harassed/threatened on public transport and you don't feel safe calling 999 (perhaps you're alone in a train carriage with the attacker and you don't want to provoke them) you can text British Transport Police on 61016 to report it. Let them know where you are and describe the incident and the attacker."

You can't call people on most of the Tube.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Just ban the people who can't keep they're hands to themselves from the underground. Simples, right?

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

Do tvs and tss have to sit on the buffers (or any other old geezers for that matter)

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By *huramMan
over a year ago

London

I propose female only trains.

They could run at ten minute intervals.

Female attendants would stand at each door with a stun gun.

Any male attempting to get on the train, gets zapped.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I haven't read the thread.

I thought this was being discussed for trains. It's just not practicable on the tube, especially in rush hour.

It's great that more cases are being reported but we need to get to the point where we can challenge the groper and publicly shame them.

That people, mainly men groping women, think it's something they can do and get away with it is what we have to tackle.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

The Inter Titty express?

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