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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............" the person in front of you stopping might have seen something you hadn't. | |||
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"Because if everyone had that mentality and just entered roundabouts without take the 3 seconds to double check its all good then I reckon there would be a lot more cashes. " Cash for fake whiplash injuries..... | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............" Does the roundabout in question have a solid or a dotted white line across the road on entry to it? | |||
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"Hate it when people treat the as straight overs instead of roundabouts!! Coming from the motherland of roundabouts I know how to use them "But the locals in MK straight line them all the time ;o) | |||
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"Because if everyone had that mentality and just entered roundabouts without take the 3 seconds to double check its all good then I reckon there would be a lot more cashes. " It would be like driving in either Crawley or Brighton. | |||
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"Indicating on a roundabout too soon is more annoying "Worse is the idiots who indicate right and go straight over GRRRRRRRRRRRR  | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong. "Cars don't just appear from nowhere, you simply have failed to look correctly | |||
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"Its a shame the guy that smashed into me on my motorbike when I had priority didn't stop and check properly!"  | |||
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"lol at least you don't drive in paris they are worse there." You just have to realise in Paris the rules are there are no rules. Watching from the Arc de Triomphe is a great spectator sport | |||
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"lol at least you don't drive in paris they are worse there.You just have to realise in Paris the rules are there are no rules. Watching from the Arc de Triomphe is a great spectator sport" YEs that's right and you can drive round and round and you need good timing to get out of it lol. | |||
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"lol at least you don't drive in paris they are worse there.You just have to realise in Paris the rules are there are no rules. Watching from the Arc de Triomphe is a great spectator sportYEs that's right and you can drive round and round and you need good timing to get out of it lol. " Shut your eyes, lean on the horn and go for it that's what the locals do | |||
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"lol at least you don't drive in paris they are worse there.You just have to realise in Paris the rules are there are no rules. Watching from the Arc de Triomphe is a great spectator sportYEs that's right and you can drive round and round and you need good timing to get out of it lol. Shut your eyes, lean on the horn and go for it that's what the locals do" YEs good advice and do a sharp turn lol. | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............" They do which is why they stop. You wouldn't say that if you hit a motorbike you failed to spot. Or if you t boned a car which nearly happened to me coz a cunt in a range rover couldn't be arsed to stop at a give way. Also same applies to junctions too. | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............ They do which is why they stop. You wouldn't say that if you hit a motorbike you failed to spot. Or if you t boned a car which nearly happened to me coz a cunt in a range rover couldn't be arsed to stop at a give way. Also same applies to junctions too." I ended up on the bonnet of a lady 2 weeks ago who slowed down! Then wham! 
Sorry mate I didn't see you!
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"There's an entry lane onto a roundabout above the M6 at Great Barr - its your exclusive lane - no lines, broken or unbroken - and some drivers actually fully stop there, wtf! It's like slamming your brakes on and stopping whilst on any open road. We need frequent testing in this country. Would create a good few jobs and increase safety." Agree with you wholeheartedly, we retest for our jobs all the time to ensure we are still competent so why not for a killing machine that we have control of!! I would say it should be every five years and just to make themselves easy money whilst hopefully reducing the number of deaths on the roads!! | |||
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"A lot of drivers can't see more than 10 yards ahead and can't plan more than 3 seconds into the future. Hence stopping at islands, causing mayhem on the motorways, randomly swerving to dodge potholes and generally being a menace..." And a lot of drivers have no patience and no tolerance for other drivers. If people don't drive the way they think it should be done then they're doing it wrong, dammit! It's the responsibility of a driver to anticipate that others may not always drive perfectly and to be far enough back that it doesn't cause a problem. If you, say, drive so far up someone's bum that them stopping for a junction is a problem then their driving shouldn't be your primary consideration. | |||
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"Is stopping more or less of a menace than (mainly but not exclusively HGV) drivers who continue to creep onto roundabouts, apparently in the hope that you'll stop and let them out?" Oh oh, you've done it now! Thou shalt not suggest that professional drivers, especially lorry drivers, are anything less than perfect drivers! *proceeds to blast shelter*  | |||
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"A lot of drivers can't see more than 10 yards ahead and can't plan more than 3 seconds into the future. Hence stopping at islands, causing mayhem on the motorways, randomly swerving to dodge potholes and generally being a menace... And a lot of drivers have no patience and no tolerance for other drivers. If people don't drive the way they think it should be done then they're doing it wrong, dammit! It's the responsibility of a driver to anticipate that others may not always drive perfectly and to be far enough back that it doesn't cause a problem. If you, say, drive so far up someone's bum that them stopping for a junction is a problem then their driving shouldn't be your primary consideration." I'm not going to bother quoting the highway quote as I'm sure you are aware of what it says regarding give way junctions but if as you state you stop at nearly every junction then you need to look at your observational skills and the standard of your own driving. | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............" Because they're fuckin idiots who shouldn't have a driving licence. They are the same people who don't indicate when turning right on a roundabout and sit in the middle lane of a motorway taking up all 3 lanes. | |||
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"A lot of drivers can't see more than 10 yards ahead and can't plan more than 3 seconds into the future. Hence stopping at islands, causing mayhem on the motorways, randomly swerving to dodge potholes and generally being a menace... And a lot of drivers have no patience and no tolerance for other drivers. If people don't drive the way they think it should be done then they're doing it wrong, dammit! It's the responsibility of a driver to anticipate that others may not always drive perfectly and to be far enough back that it doesn't cause a problem. If you, say, drive so far up someone's bum that them stopping for a junction is a problem then their driving shouldn't be your primary consideration. I'm not going to bother quoting the highway quote as I'm sure you are aware of what it says regarding give way junctions but if as you state you stop at nearly every junction then you need to look at your observational skills and the standard of your own driving." Or you need to be more cautious than to think that a quick glance is sufficient. I don't stop and park at junctions but I do stop and briefly pause so I can look properly. At a lot of junctions it's not actually possible to see up the adjoining road to see if anything is coming until you're at the give way line. More drivers looking properly would result in far fewer accidents. | |||
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"A lot of drivers can't see more than 10 yards ahead and can't plan more than 3 seconds into the future. Hence stopping at islands, causing mayhem on the motorways, randomly swerving to dodge potholes and generally being a menace... And a lot of drivers have no patience and no tolerance for other drivers. If people don't drive the way they think it should be done then they're doing it wrong, dammit! It's the responsibility of a driver to anticipate that others may not always drive perfectly and to be far enough back that it doesn't cause a problem. If you, say, drive so far up someone's bum that them stopping for a junction is a problem then their driving shouldn't be your primary consideration. I'm not going to bother quoting the highway quote as I'm sure you are aware of what it says regarding give way junctions but if as you state you stop at nearly every junction then you need to look at your observational skills and the standard of your own driving. Or you need to be more cautious than to think that a quick glance is sufficient. I don't stop and park at junctions but I do stop and briefly pause so I can look properly. At a lot of junctions it's not actually possible to see up the adjoining road to see if anything is coming until you're at the give way line. More drivers looking properly would result in far fewer accidents." Where did anyone mention a quick glance? It is perfectly possible to have a good look without actually coming to a stop that is why the road planners designed them as give way junctions and not stop. | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong. "Or crash into you! | |||
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"Goodness, all the perfect drivers on this thread. They never do anything wrong, unlike all the other idiots out there. I wonder what the statistical probability is that all the perfect drivers are on here and the rest are elsewhere. There's a good chance that all of you ranting about people doing things that annoy you, also do things that annoy others and make them consider you an idiot. "Bollocks  | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!"Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently. | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently."Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously. | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............ Because they're fuckin idiots who shouldn't have a driving licence. They are the same people who don't indicate when turning right on a roundabout and sit in the middle lane of a motorway taking up all 3 lanes. "and I suspect you get very very angry with them, parp your horn or call them cunts to your passengers. | |||
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"A lot of drivers can't see more than 10 yards ahead and can't plan more than 3 seconds into the future. Hence stopping at islands, causing mayhem on the motorways, randomly swerving to dodge potholes and generally being a menace... And a lot of drivers have no patience and no tolerance for other drivers. If people don't drive the way they think it should be done then they're doing it wrong, dammit! It's the responsibility of a driver to anticipate that others may not always drive perfectly and to be far enough back that it doesn't cause a problem. If you, say, drive so far up someone's bum that them stopping for a junction is a problem then their driving shouldn't be your primary consideration. I'm not going to bother quoting the highway quote as I'm sure you are aware of what it says regarding give way junctions but if as you state you stop at nearly every junction then you need to look at your observational skills and the standard of your own driving. Or you need to be more cautious than to think that a quick glance is sufficient. I don't stop and park at junctions but I do stop and briefly pause so I can look properly. At a lot of junctions it's not actually possible to see up the adjoining road to see if anything is coming until you're at the give way line. More drivers looking properly would result in far fewer accidents. Where did anyone mention a quick glance? It is perfectly possible to have a good look without actually coming to a stop that is why the road planners designed them as give way junctions and not stop." Really? You have x-ray vision? The end of my road meets a major road at right angles. There are garden walls and fences obscuring the view up and down the adjoining road from all 4 directions until one is right up to the give way line. Even then, cars parked along the road means extra caution is required. A lot of junctions are like that, making stopping and looking properly the only safe thing to do. I can't actually think of any junctions near my house where it's possible to see down the adjoining road before reaching the junction. Junctions tend to be angled. That's why the junction is needed. Even on a roundabout, shrubbery on the central island can obscure traffic. Still, you carry on with your approach and I'll continue taking the time to check properly. Personally I think when driving a big metal machine, caution is essential. | |||
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"It is perfectly possible to have a good look without actually coming to a stop that is why the road planners designed them as give way junctions and not stop." I work with highway designers and you would be amazed at the proportion of junctions where 'departures' are applied: i.e. The layout doesn't meet the specification for the type of junction but is allowed because changing to stop etc would be considered too onerous, or buying the extra land too expensive. My other half actually stopped at a country give way junction because it was impossible to see past the overgrown verges, as she crept out to get a better look she was hit by a car (quite legally) doing 60. So who was at 'fault': her for pulling out; the other driver for failing to anticipate; the designer for not insisting on the correct visibility splays, or the local authority for not cutting the vegetation back? | |||
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"Quoted from a government website "If the way is clear keep moving. Stopping at a clear roundabout slows traffic and can cause frustrating delays."" If the way is obviously clear, sure. I like to be sure it is actually clear. And some drivers, such as those that are young and inexperienced, take longer to assess the situation. If people get frustrated then that's a problem they need to work on. A little tolerance goes a long way. | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
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"It is perfectly possible to have a good look without actually coming to a stop that is why the road planners designed them as give way junctions and not stop. I work with highway designers and you would be amazed at the proportion of junctions where 'departures' are applied: i.e. The layout doesn't meet the specification for the type of junction but is allowed because changing to stop etc would be considered too onerous, or buying the extra land too expensive. My other half actually stopped at a country give way junction because it was impossible to see past the overgrown verges, as she crept out to get a better look she was hit by a car (quite legally) doing 60. So who was at 'fault': her for pulling out; the other driver for failing to anticipate; the designer for not insisting on the correct visibility splays, or the local authority for not cutting the vegetation back?" She should have had her x-ray vision on like some of the perfect drivers on here. | |||
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"It is perfectly possible to have a good look without actually coming to a stop that is why the road planners designed them as give way junctions and not stop. I work with highway designers and you would be amazed at the proportion of junctions where 'departures' are applied: i.e. The layout doesn't meet the specification for the type of junction but is allowed because changing to stop etc would be considered too onerous, or buying the extra land too expensive. My other half actually stopped at a country give way junction because it was impossible to see past the overgrown verges, as she crept out to get a better look she was hit by a car (quite legally) doing 60. So who was at 'fault': her for pulling out; the other driver for failing to anticipate; the designer for not insisting on the correct visibility splays, or the local authority for not cutting the vegetation back?" The driver who anticipated she would go over the junction. Replace the junction with a line of kids crossing the road / a stray sloth / a fallen tree. Person behind. | |||
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"It is perfectly possible to have a good look without actually coming to a stop that is why the road planners designed them as give way junctions and not stop. I work with highway designers and you would be amazed at the proportion of junctions where 'departures' are applied: i.e. The layout doesn't meet the specification for the type of junction but is allowed because changing to stop etc would be considered too onerous, or buying the extra land too expensive. My other half actually stopped at a country give way junction because it was impossible to see past the overgrown verges, as she crept out to get a better look she was hit by a car (quite legally) doing 60. So who was at 'fault': her for pulling out; the other driver for failing to anticipate; the designer for not insisting on the correct visibility splays, or the local authority for not cutting the vegetation back? She should have had her x-ray vision on like some of the perfect drivers on here." No silly. She should close her eyes , grip the wheel , shout Geronimo and race through. | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
If the roundabout is clear you are entitled to enter it. It does not matter if a faster car approaches from a dual carriageway, tough you were there first and have priority. That's how roundabouts work."That's presuming you want to die. | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
If the roundabout is clear you are entitled to enter it. It does not matter if a faster car approaches from a dual carriageway, tough you were there first and have priority. That's how roundabouts work."Ah, yes, it makes absolute sense to continue when you can see a potential hazard and be involved in an accident you could have avoided, just because you are in the right. That about sums up your attitude to the road. Like I said, you do it your way and I'll do it mine. I'll continue doing my best to avoid accidents whether my fault or not, even if the other party is firmly in the wrong. | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
If the roundabout is clear you are entitled to enter it. It does not matter if a faster car approaches from a dual carriageway, tough you were there first and have priority. That's how roundabouts work.
That's presuming you want to die."But he'd die knowing he was in the right, dammit! That's what matters, after all. | |||
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"It is perfectly possible to have a good look without actually coming to a stop that is why the road planners designed them as give way junctions and not stop. I work with highway designers and you would be amazed at the proportion of junctions where 'departures' are applied: i.e. The layout doesn't meet the specification for the type of junction but is allowed because changing to stop etc would be considered too onerous, or buying the extra land too expensive. My other half actually stopped at a country give way junction because it was impossible to see past the overgrown verges, as she crept out to get a better look she was hit by a car (quite legally) doing 60. So who was at 'fault': her for pulling out; the other driver for failing to anticipate; the designer for not insisting on the correct visibility splays, or the local authority for not cutting the vegetation back? She should have had her x-ray vision on like some of the perfect drivers on here. No silly. She should close her eyes , grip the wheel , shout Geronimo and race through." Ah, sorry. I guess I never did get the hang of this driving lark after all. | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
If the roundabout is clear you are entitled to enter it. It does not matter if a faster car approaches from a dual carriageway, tough you were there first and have priority. That's how roundabouts work."
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"I shall remain impartial being a driving instructor how ever look ahead early and plan on your approach! "Oh no one of those perfect drivers. That will only work if you are looking with your x-ray vision surely! | |||
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"Let me quote the OP "when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying". The clue is "nothings coming". No need for xray vision or mystic meg to predict cars appearing from nowhere. There is nothing coming. " Because people may have seen something the car behind hasn't, or thought they saw something, or took longer than the car behind to decide it was safe, or wanted to take a second or two to look twice. You don't have the same road position as the person in front of you so your assessment may be different than theirs. Or perhaps they don't always think they are correct and barge out anyway. Who knows? | |||
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"It is perfectly possible to have a good look without actually coming to a stop that is why the road planners designed them as give way junctions and not stop. I work with highway designers and you would be amazed at the proportion of junctions where 'departures' are applied: i.e. The layout doesn't meet the specification for the type of junction but is allowed because changing to stop etc would be considered too onerous, or buying the extra land too expensive. My other half actually stopped at a country give way junction because it was impossible to see past the overgrown verges, as she crept out to get a better look she was hit by a car (quite legally) doing 60. So who was at 'fault': her for pulling out; the other driver for failing to anticipate; the designer for not insisting on the correct visibility splays, or the local authority for not cutting the vegetation back? She should have had her x-ray vision on like some of the perfect drivers on here. No silly. She should close her eyes , grip the wheel , shout Geronimo and race through. Ah, sorry. I guess I never did get the hang of this driving lark after all. "On that we can both agree | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............" ..and heres one of 'em! If you're that impatient, do everyone else a favour and get the bus mate. It's generally a 'give way' line but if they wanna stop, I'd much rather they did than plough into me! | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............ ..and heres one of 'em! If you're that impatient, do everyone else a favour and get the bus mate. It's generally a 'give way' line but if they wanna stop, I'd much rather they did than plough into me!" The point is you're not there to plough into. It is an empty roundabout, devoid of vehicles and with no approaching traffic. That is why the OP is frustrated that people stop and then look rather than looking as they approach. | |||
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"On my speed awareness course the other week we got told on numerous occasions to stop and look when approaching a roundabout...and look more than once too...." Oh you're the one causing all the tailbacks | |||
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"It is perfectly possible to have a good look without actually coming to a stop that is why the road planners designed them as give way junctions and not stop. I work with highway designers and you would be amazed at the proportion of junctions where 'departures' are applied: i.e. The layout doesn't meet the specification for the type of junction but is allowed because changing to stop etc would be considered too onerous, or buying the extra land too expensive. My other half actually stopped at a country give way junction because it was impossible to see past the overgrown verges, as she crept out to get a better look she was hit by a car (quite legally) doing 60. So who was at 'fault': her for pulling out; the other driver for failing to anticipate; the designer for not insisting on the correct visibility splays, or the local authority for not cutting the vegetation back? She should have had her x-ray vision on like some of the perfect drivers on here. No silly. She should close her eyes , grip the wheel , shout Geronimo and race through. Ah, sorry. I guess I never did get the hang of this driving lark after all.
On that we can both agree "Sarcasm is clearly lost on you. Just as is common sense on the road, even if you're in the right. I would say typical male driver but I wouldn't want to lump other male drivers in the same bullish, impatient, inconsiderate category as you. Just think, if a few seconds delay whilst someone checks twice if a roundabout is clear delays and annoys people, imagine how long they'll be delayed and how annoyed they'll be if the car ahead of them is involved in a smash on the roundabout. Of if they are involved in the smash because they didn't take the time to check. | |||
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"Most roundabouts are open as far as zones of vision are concerned! Although you should be prepared to stop if you need to. But if the roundabout is clear and you stop to look cause you haven't planned or looked ahead. You run the risk of a rear end shunt! " Get out! We'll have none of that kind of sensible talk in here. You, you, perfect driver you!! | |||
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"On my speed awareness course the other week we got told on numerous occasions to stop and look when approaching a roundabout...and look more than once too.... Oh you're the one causing all the tailbacks "Oh we discussed those too...I tell you it wasn't me honest | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
If the roundabout is clear you are entitled to enter it. It does not matter if a faster car approaches from a dual carriageway, tough you were there first and have priority. That's how roundabouts work.
Ah, yes, it makes absolute sense to continue when you can see a potential hazard and be involved in an accident you could have avoided, just because you are in the right.
That about sums up your attitude to the road.
Like I said, you do it your way and I'll do it mine.
I'll continue doing my best to avoid accidents whether my fault or not, even if the other party is firmly in the wrong. "Have to say I agree with the person you quoted (can't remember his name lol). If the roundabout is clear you go. Over hesitation causes more accidents in my opinion. I hear of more accidents at roundabouts where someone has gone into the back of an overly hesitant driver who has missed gaps in traffic. You can be too hesitant when driving. A friend of mine failed her driving test because of this. | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
If the roundabout is clear you are entitled to enter it. It does not matter if a faster car approaches from a dual carriageway, tough you were there first and have priority. That's how roundabouts work.
Ah, yes, it makes absolute sense to continue when you can see a potential hazard and be involved in an accident you could have avoided, just because you are in the right.
That about sums up your attitude to the road.
Like I said, you do it your way and I'll do it mine.
I'll continue doing my best to avoid accidents whether my fault or not, even if the other party is firmly in the wrong.
Have to say I agree with the person you quoted (can't remember his name lol). If the roundabout is clear you go. Over hesitation causes more accidents in my opinion. I hear of more accidents at roundabouts where someone has gone into the back of an overly hesitant driver who has missed gaps in traffic.
You can be too hesitant when driving. A friend of mine failed her driving test because of this. "I said I stop at most junctions, which is what he was arguing with. And drivers should always be prepared for learner drivers or new drivers to stop to make sure. Some people even stall when pulling away. The disgrace!
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"Let me quote the OP "when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying". The clue is "nothings coming". No need for xray vision or mystic meg to predict cars appearing from nowhere. There is nothing coming. " But the O.P. should drive their OWN car and not try to drive others' cars. How does the O.P. know what the driver in front can or can't see ? | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............ ..and heres one of 'em! If you're that impatient, do everyone else a favour and get the bus mate. It's generally a 'give way' line but if they wanna stop, I'd much rather they did than plough into me!The point is you're not there to plough into. It is an empty roundabout, devoid of vehicles and with no approaching traffic. That is why the OP is frustrated that people stop and then look rather than looking as they approach." Traffic moves though. As they are approaching the roundabout, other traffic may also be moving. It's necessary to be sure at the point you join the roundabout that it's clear. Yes, you can look on approach and assess how busy, or not it is, and plan to stop or continue. However, you need be aware things might change and you may have to change your plan. A case in point, I was about to pull onto a biggish roundabout near where I live a few days ago. The road to the left is obscured by trees and foliage so it's only possible to see a very short section of the road approaching the roundabout. Cars were waiting there but they were on my left, so I didn't need to give way to them. As I approached, I looked and the way seemed clear. I slowed and just as I crossed the give way line, an ambulance which I was only able to see at the last second, with lights but no siren on, pulled onto the roundabout from the wrong side of the road to my left, right in front of me. As I was proceeding onto the roundabout carefully, I was able to stop. Had I hit it, it would have been the ambulance driver in the wrong but that wouldn't have helped me or the patient and the paramedic in the ambulance! I'll slow and pause if I feel it necessary when approaching a roundabout. | |||
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Cars don't just appear from nowhere, you simply have failed to look correctly"Nonsense, they are speeding, people need to calm it at roundabouts. | |||
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"Let me quote the OP "when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying". The clue is "nothings coming". No need for xray vision or mystic meg to predict cars appearing from nowhere. There is nothing coming. But the O.P. should drive their OWN car and not try to drive others' cars. How does the O.P. know what the driver in front can or can't see ?" They don't but it's pointless trying to get them to admit it. They know better than everyone else. They can congratulate themselves after their next accident that they were in the right. | |||
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Cars don't just appear from nowhere, you simply have failed to look correctly
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"On my speed awareness course the other week we got told on numerous occasions to stop and look when approaching a roundabout...and look more than once too.... Oh you're the one causing all the tailbacks
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............ ..and heres one of 'em! If you're that impatient, do everyone else a favour and get the bus mate. It's generally a 'give way' line but if they wanna stop, I'd much rather they did than plough into me!The point is you're not there to plough into. It is an empty roundabout, devoid of vehicles and with no approaching traffic. That is why the OP is frustrated that people stop and then look rather than looking as they approach. Traffic moves though. As they are approaching the roundabout, other traffic may also be moving. It's necessary to be sure at the point you join the roundabout that it's clear. Yes, you can look on approach and assess how busy, or not it is, and plan to stop or continue. However, you need be aware things might change and you may have to change your plan. A case in point, I was about to pull onto a biggish roundabout near where I live a few days ago. The road to the left is obscured by trees and foliage so it's only possible to see a very short section of the road approaching the roundabout. Cars were waiting there but they were on my left, so I didn't need to give way to them. As I approached, I looked and the way seemed clear. I slowed and just as I crossed the give way line, an ambulance which I was only able to see at the last second, with lights but no siren on, pulled onto the roundabout from the wrong side of the road to my left, right in front of me. As I was proceeding onto the roundabout carefully, I was able to stop. Had I hit it, it would have been the ambulance driver in the wrong but that wouldn't have helped me or the patient and the paramedic in the ambulance! I'll slow and pause if I feel it necessary when approaching a roundabout." But that's exactly what everyone has been saying....assess the road and if necessary stop but you said you stop at most roundabouts and junctions. It is not necessary to stop at all times or even most of the time. Give way lines mean just that, give way when required. Slow down and be prepared to stop if necessary. | |||
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"Most roundabouts are open as far as zones of vision are concerned! Although you should be prepared to stop if you need to. But if the roundabout is clear and you stop to look cause you haven't planned or looked ahead. You run the risk of a rear end shunt! In which case the driver behind should be maintaining a safe distance back and paying attention "Agreed, but not always the case sadly | |||
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"Goodness, all the perfect drivers on this thread. They never do anything wrong, unlike all the other idiots out there. I wonder what the statistical probability is that all the perfect drivers are on here and the rest are elsewhere. There's a good chance that all of you ranting about people doing things that annoy you, also do things that annoy others and make them consider you an idiot.
Bollocks "Yes it does seem a bit incongruous that people in our risky lifestyle are so sanctimonious and self-righteous about driving rules and regs. Should people that seem to think nothing of where they put their genitals and mouths (not saying that WE don't lol), risking all sorts of diseases and travelling miles to blind dates with potential axe murderers? Just wonderin' | |||
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"Most roundabouts are open as far as zones of vision are concerned! Although you should be prepared to stop if you need to. But if the roundabout is clear and you stop to look cause you haven't planned or looked ahead. You run the risk of a rear end shunt! In which case the driver behind should be maintaining a safe distance back and paying attention
Agreed, but not always the case sadly "But if they have slowed and can see that the roundabout is clear they are expecting the driver ahead to carry onto the roundabout as dictated by the highway code. If they don't do that they cause the on coming driver to perform an emergency stop procedure. Granted it will be them in the wrong if they hit the person in front but the fact is the overly hesitant driver is driving outside of the highway code and caused an accident. Much like those who drive too slow on dual carriageways or motorways. Just because insurance companies go for the easy pay out option doesn't mean it's always the right outcome. Crash for cash accidents go someway to proving this. | |||
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"I'm getting advanced driving lessons - where I live there has been alot of crashes due to bad driving and i don't care to be in the papers for one. What really pisses me off is these people that try and over take you when your behind a bus and they're like 4 cars behind you then they have to pull into my safe space! Bit of patience goes a longway especially on bendy roads! More than once both me and my instructor have gone for the horn seeing the line of cars coming towards us and this wanker overtaking not seeing! It's the buses fault for stopping "I'm more than happy waiting for buses to pull over its these other drivers that think it's okay to take my gap between me and the car in front especially on bends! Had it more than once last week! | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............ ..and heres one of 'em! If you're that impatient, do everyone else a favour and get the bus mate. It's generally a 'give way' line but if they wanna stop, I'd much rather they did than plough into me!The point is you're not there to plough into. It is an empty roundabout, devoid of vehicles and with no approaching traffic. That is why the OP is frustrated that people stop and then look rather than looking as they approach. Traffic moves though. As they are approaching the roundabout, other traffic may also be moving. It's necessary to be sure at the point you join the roundabout that it's clear. Yes, you can look on approach and assess how busy, or not it is, and plan to stop or continue. However, you need be aware things might change and you may have to change your plan. A case in point, I was about to pull onto a biggish roundabout near where I live a few days ago. The road to the left is obscured by trees and foliage so it's only possible to see a very short section of the road approaching the roundabout. Cars were waiting there but they were on my left, so I didn't need to give way to them. As I approached, I looked and the way seemed clear. I slowed and just as I crossed the give way line, an ambulance which I was only able to see at the last second, with lights but no siren on, pulled onto the roundabout from the wrong side of the road to my left, right in front of me. As I was proceeding onto the roundabout carefully, I was able to stop. Had I hit it, it would have been the ambulance driver in the wrong but that wouldn't have helped me or the patient and the paramedic in the ambulance! I'll slow and pause if I feel it necessary when approaching a roundabout. But that's exactly what everyone has been saying....assess the road and if necessary stop but you said you stop at most roundabouts and junctions. It is not necessary to stop at all times or even most of the time. Give way lines mean just that, give way when required. Slow down and be prepared to stop if necessary. " No, I didn't. I said I stop at most junctions. I didn't actually mention roundabouts. As pointed out, at a high proportion of junctions it's not possible to see a safe distance down the road. I usually pause at roundabouts. It's not a stop, put the handbrake on, pull away sort of stop but I do usually pause before I pull onto them, unless I can see right across them. Most large roundabouts these days seem to have small forests in the middle, so it's not possible to see if a vehicle is approaching or how fast. And larger roundabouts are the ones idiots are more likely to drive too fast on. I've seen more than one idiot lose control on a roundabout. I want to stay well out of their way. | |||
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"Most roundabouts are open as far as zones of vision are concerned! Although you should be prepared to stop if you need to. But if the roundabout is clear and you stop to look cause you haven't planned or looked ahead. You run the risk of a rear end shunt! In which case the driver behind should be maintaining a safe distance back and paying attention
Agreed, but not always the case sadly
But if they have slowed and can see that the roundabout is clear they are expecting the driver ahead to carry onto the roundabout as dictated by the highway code. If they don't do that they cause the on coming driver to perform an emergency stop procedure. Granted it will be them in the wrong if they hit the person in front but the fact is the overly hesitant driver is driving outside of the highway code and caused an accident. Much like those who drive too slow on dual carriageways or motorways.
Just because insurance companies go for the easy pay out option doesn't mean it's always the right outcome. Crash for cash accidents go someway to proving this. "The driver behind can't see the road from the driver in front's point of view though, so can't know how the driver in front will assess things. Sure if the way looks clear to them, they can anticipate that the driver in front will continue but it's stupid to act as if that's a certainty until it happens. Assess but be prepared that the driver in front won't do what you think they should. | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
If the roundabout is clear you are entitled to enter it. It does not matter if a faster car approaches from a dual carriageway, tough you were there first and have priority. That's how roundabouts work."You only have to give way to traffic that is actually on the roundabout. You are not obliged to give way to someone who is waiting to come on at the entrance prior to yours. | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............ ..and heres one of 'em! If you're that impatient, do everyone else a favour and get the bus mate. It's generally a 'give way' line but if they wanna stop, I'd much rather they did than plough into me!The point is you're not there to plough into. It is an empty roundabout, devoid of vehicles and with no approaching traffic. That is why the OP is frustrated that people stop and then look rather than looking as they approach. Traffic moves though. As they are approaching the roundabout, other traffic may also be moving. It's necessary to be sure at the point you join the roundabout that it's clear. Yes, you can look on approach and assess how busy, or not it is, and plan to stop or continue. However, you need be aware things might change and you may have to change your plan. A case in point, I was about to pull onto a biggish roundabout near where I live a few days ago. The road to the left is obscured by trees and foliage so it's only possible to see a very short section of the road approaching the roundabout. Cars were waiting there but they were on my left, so I didn't need to give way to them. As I approached, I looked and the way seemed clear. I slowed and just as I crossed the give way line, an ambulance which I was only able to see at the last second, with lights but no siren on, pulled onto the roundabout from the wrong side of the road to my left, right in front of me. As I was proceeding onto the roundabout carefully, I was able to stop. Had I hit it, it would have been the ambulance driver in the wrong but that wouldn't have helped me or the patient and the paramedic in the ambulance! I'll slow and pause if I feel it necessary when approaching a roundabout. But that's exactly what everyone has been saying....assess the road and if necessary stop but you said you stop at most roundabouts and junctions. It is not necessary to stop at all times or even most of the time. Give way lines mean just that, give way when required. Slow down and be prepared to stop if necessary. No, I didn't. I said I stop at most junctions. I didn't actually mention roundabouts. As pointed out, at a high proportion of junctions it's not possible to see a safe distance down the road. I usually pause at roundabouts. It's not a stop, put the handbrake on, pull away sort of stop but I do usually pause before I pull onto them, unless I can see right across them. Most large roundabouts these days seem to have small forests in the middle, so it's not possible to see if a vehicle is approaching or how fast. And larger roundabouts are the ones idiots are more likely to drive too fast on. I've seen more than one idiot lose control on a roundabout. I want to stay well out of their way." How do you ever dip your toe in and venture on to the roundabout if you cannot see through the inpenetrable small forest? How long do you 'pause' before plucking up the courage to go? | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
If the roundabout is clear you are entitled to enter it. It does not matter if a faster car approaches from a dual carriageway, tough you were there first and have priority. That's how roundabouts work."Yes I know and have driven for 23 years without an accident. Until recently! Tough is not a word I'd use following that! Btw fast flowing equates to damn busy during rush hour. | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
If the roundabout is clear you are entitled to enter it. It does not matter if a faster car approaches from a dual carriageway, tough you were there first and have priority. That's how roundabouts work.
Ah, yes, it makes absolute sense to continue when you can see a potential hazard and be involved in an accident you could have avoided, just because you are in the right.
That about sums up your attitude to the road.
Like I said, you do it your way and I'll do it mine.
I'll continue doing my best to avoid accidents whether my fault or not, even if the other party is firmly in the wrong. " | |||
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"My 17 twins are learning to drive and yesterday we were at a roundabout junction It was busy and she stalled the car. The man behind her started beeping his horn and shouting at her and even started to film her on his phone !!! She was sooo upset. What happened to patience for learner drivers ? Rant over "This is a huge bug bear for me, we all have had to learn sometime, but drivers not giving courtesy to them really posses me off. I know riding the motorbike behind a driver makes most drivers nervous, behind a learner I hang back a bit to give them room. | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............" there are a few near me that big fences or screens have been put up to make people pretty much stop before going on the roundabout... So I am guessing that they are hoping that people will stop. As you can not actually see till your at the line.. | |||
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"My 17 twins are learning to drive and yesterday we were at a roundabout junction It was busy and she stalled the car. The man behind her started beeping his horn and shouting at her and even started to film her on his phone !!! She was sooo upset. What happened to patience for learner drivers ? Rant over
This is a huge bug bear for me, we all have had to learn sometime, but drivers not giving courtesy to them really posses me off.
I know riding the motorbike behind a driver makes most drivers nervous, behind a learner I hang back a bit to give them room."I always give a learner plenty of room, and if they stall at the lights in front of me, I will smile knowingly, and let them know its perfectly OK, and its not me honking at them! My lessons were over twenty years ago and I remember just how nerve racking being out in busy traffic could be. Obviously so many people were just born with an inate driving ability and had the confidence from day one, never once stalling a car. | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............ Does the roundabout in question have a solid or a dotted white line across the road on entry to it?" Some drivers don't care about White dotted line, goodness knows how many silly drivers just cut across lanes as if they own the road. | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............" . How would you know whether or not they had valid reasons for stopping . ? They may have seen a potential hazard which was not visible to you . I much prefer safe. drivers compared to those who take a chance .  | |||
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"when driving and approaching a roundabout and nothings coming why do people still stop...........so annoying. some people really havent a clue about driving............. How would you know whether or not they had valid reasons for stopping . ? They may have seen a potential hazard which was not visible to you . I much prefer safe. drivers compared to those who take a chance . " | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
If the roundabout is clear you are entitled to enter it. It does not matter if a faster car approaches from a dual carriageway, tough you were there first and have priority. That's how roundabouts work.
Ah, yes, it makes absolute sense to continue when you can see a potential hazard and be involved in an accident you could have avoided, just because you are in the right.
That about sums up your attitude to the road.
Like I said, you do it your way and I'll do it mine.
I'll continue doing my best to avoid accidents whether my fault or not, even if the other party is firmly in the wrong.
Have to say I agree with the person you quoted (can't remember his name lol). If the roundabout is clear you go. Over hesitation causes more accidents in my opinion. I hear of more accidents at roundabouts where someone has gone into the back of an overly hesitant driver who has missed gaps in traffic.
You can be too hesitant when driving. A friend of mine failed her driving test because of this. "How can being hesitant cause an accident .?.The accident is entirely the fault of the driver who has driven into the vehicle in front . You will fail your driving test if you fail to make progress in traffic. However exercising caution at a roundabout could at worst result in a minor for undue hesitation , cause another vehicle to slow down and it will be an instant fail. | |||
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"The ones that p me off, are when you pull out because it's clear and they suddenly appear and tear arse up to you beeping, as if it's you who's in the wrong.
Or crash into you!
Again, cars don't suddenly appear. You have not taken the time to look sufficiently.
Bollocks. I was approaching a roundabout where everyone had to stop for traffic coming from the right as was a dual carriage way and fast flowing, whereas ours was single. Notwithstanding that each junction has two entries obviously.
If the roundabout is clear you are entitled to enter it. It does not matter if a faster car approaches from a dual carriageway, tough you were there first and have priority. That's how roundabouts work.
Ah, yes, it makes absolute sense to continue when you can see a potential hazard and be involved in an accident you could have avoided, just because you are in the right.
That about sums up your attitude to the road.
Like I said, you do it your way and I'll do it mine.
I'll continue doing my best to avoid accidents whether my fault or not, even if the other party is firmly in the wrong.
Have to say I agree with the person you quoted (can't remember his name lol). If the roundabout is clear you go. Over hesitation causes more accidents in my opinion. I hear of more accidents at roundabouts where someone has gone into the back of an overly hesitant driver who has missed gaps in traffic.
You can be too hesitant when driving. A friend of mine failed her driving test because of this.
How can being hesitant cause an accident .?.The accident is entirely the fault of the driver who has driven into the vehicle in front . You will fail your driving test if you fail to make progress in traffic. However exercising caution at a roundabout could at worst result in a minor for undue hesitation , cause another vehicle to slow down and it will be an instant fail. "because when you learn to drive you are taught to observe all of the road, not just the person in front of you. if i can see that the roundabout is clear then i will think that the person in front of me, who is able to also see that the roundabout is clear will also see it is clear to proceed. A hesitant driver who stops for no reason is a danger in my opinion. you only need enough space to be able to pull out on to the roundabout so if a driver is coming from the right, unless he is right on top of your exit, poses no danger....waiting to see what might come round the corner is pointless and causes unnecessary delays. | |||
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