FabSwingers.com forum: Girl drowned after father stopped men from rescuing her!

By *obbytupper OP Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

A father let his 20yo daughter drown because he didn't want male rescuers touching her!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In real life ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dubai wasn't it? I think.

Very sad

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Think I'd have kicked him in the bollocks and jumped in anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think I'd have kicked him in the bollocks and jumped in anyway

According to the report I read, the lifeguards did try to get to her but her father was violent and stopped them. When they managed to get away from him it was too late.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think I'd have kicked him in the bollocks and jumped in anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is any one sure he isn't the one who put her in the water??.................this is against human instinct surly he would have tried to even rescue her himself ??

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Girls and women are disposable. At least she remained pure.

The hope in this story is that the rescuers did not think like this father and at least attempted to rescue her. It's all very sad.

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By *obbytupper OP Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reminds of the Fire at the girls school in Saudi and the religious police hindered efforts to rescue them causing massive loss of life.

It's sad world where religion outweighs humanity.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

Jehova's Witnesses, who have refused to let their children have life saving blood transfusions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In different cultures girls do not count for anything it is beyond belief x

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By *oward1978Man
over a year ago

Rotherham

I haven't read the details of this story but nothing surprises me anymore. Here we are in the 21st century and this kind of thing is still happening. I despair at the downright stupidity of humanity sometimes...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

I would say there is no teaching that promotes this and it was the warped characteristic of the individual that caused the death of the woman .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so sad thoughts go to her mum and friends.

Stone daddy

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I haven't read the details of this story but nothing surprises me anymore. Here we are in the 21st century and this kind of thing is still happening. I despair at the downright stupidity of humanity sometimes..."

this..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reminds me of that Thai princess who drowned.

"The queen and her daughter drowned when the royal boat capsized while on the way to the Bang Pa-In Royal Palace (Summer palace). Despite the presence of many onlookers, they were forbidden on pain of death to touch the queen – not even to save her life. The grief-stricken Chulalongkorn later erected a memorial to her and his unborn child at the Bang Pa-In Palace."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

Jehova's Witnesses, who have refused to let their children have life saving blood transfusions

This is a bit different , and their choice is very different . I'm not saying it's right , but plenty of non Jehovah's witnesses refuse blood too .

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Reminds me of that Thai princess who drowned.

That's sad. I think I, with my Western thinking, would have risked it and tried to rescue her. I'd hope an exception to the rule would be made for saving her life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reminds me of that Thai princess who drowned.

That's sad. I think I, with my Western thinking, would have risked it and tried to rescue her. I'd hope an exception to the rule would be made for saving her life."

It is sad. It's bizarre how disciplined they were, I think my instinct to save would override my beliefs.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

Jehova's Witnesses, who have refused to let their children have life saving blood transfusions

This is a bit different , and their choice is very different . I'm not saying it's right , but plenty of non Jehovah's witnesses refuse blood too ."

couldn't possibly of been any similar

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone bothered to check if this is true!

The word sheep comes to mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone bothered to check if this is true!

The word sheep comes to mind. "

Yeh, WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"Has anyone bothered to check if this is true!

The word sheep comes to mind. "

no because im not a sad case. its a topic for debate it doesn't matter weather its real or not.

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By *obbytupper OP Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

"Has anyone bothered to check if this is true!

The word sheep comes to mind. "

If you bothered to read the news, you would find it widely reported.

However you could always just remain ignorant!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

This is more about the religion of those involved than tve the death of the woman isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

Jehova's Witnesses, who have refused to let their children have life saving blood transfusions

This is a bit different , and their choice is very different . I'm not saying it's right , but plenty of non Jehovah's witnesses refuse blood too .

couldn't possibly of been any similar

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Yeah why bother going to that doctor at all with their 21st century fandangled science!.

Surely the answer is in the good book?... Internal bleeding, no worries the good lowd will heal yer

Praise the lord it's a miracle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drowning women!! Praise the lord she downed, she was obviously a fucking witch.... Coz all the good lordy people know, only witch's can't swim!

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

Having lost a childhood friend who was sexually assaulted and impregnated by her uncle and then died during childbirth because her parents refused to let her have a blood transfusion, nothing surprises me anymore.

I always thought maternal/paternal instinct and the desire to protect your children should naturally outweigh religion but it's not always the case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone bothered to check if this is true!

The word sheep comes to mind. "

Have you checked?

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"Has anyone bothered to check if this is true!

The word sheep comes to mind.

Have you checked?

I'm warm and snuggly and people want my meat.

I'm a sheep

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

I've checked. It's a report from Emirates247 as a result of quotes from one guy. From the quotes, it appears not to be a recent event, and there is no attempt at corroboration by any media organisation.

So, one man's word, slavishly perpetuated by a series of other websites, each with a vested interest in having headlines that attract people to click on their ad-filled pages.

I can't prove it didn't happen but I'm far from convinced that it did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've checked. It's a report from Emirates247 as a result of quotes from one guy. From the quotes, it appears not to be a recent event, and there is no attempt at corroboration by any media organisation.

So, one man's word, slavishly perpetuated by a series of other websites, each with a vested interest in having headlines that attract people to click on their ad-filled pages.

I can't prove it didn't happen but I'm far from convinced that it did.

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You wanna get a better search engine?

Ive got feeds from rt,cbs, independent, mail, mirror, Emirates,ibtimes and tribune

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, one man's word, slavishly perpetuated by a series of other websites, each with a vested interest in having headlines that attract people to click on their ad-filled pages.

I can't prove it didn't happen but I'm far from convinced that it did.

You nutter, that's how online news works. It's always disseminated to wires from a single source.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tragic

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

You nutter, that's how online news works. It's always disseminated to wires from a single source. "

Thanks, I knew that. Doesn't make it an accurate report though....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You nutter, that's how online news works. It's always disseminated to wires from a single source.

Thanks, I knew that. Doesn't make it an accurate report though...."
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According to the Dubai authority's they arrested him and sent him to trial.... I'm guessing they had some evidence at least for this, but who knows with those crazy Arabs hey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a fucked up world some people live in why would you put a religious belief before loved ones.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

According to the Dubai authority's "

Link?

(not involving the deputy director of Dubai search & rescue)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to the Dubai authority's

Link?

(not involving the deputy director of Dubai search & rescue)"
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It's in the article, that's published by the world's press!

Where's your proof that he didn't do it!

Or do I now have to qualify every story published by a whole host of news outlets!

The way it works, is if YOU don't think it's correct, give us some evidence to show some error in the story

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a fucked up world some people live in why would you put a religious belief before loved ones."

I'm not even sure it's religious belief...otherwise the father wouldn't have been arrested....

Poor girl will never know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

It's in the article, that's published by the world's press!

Where's your proof that he didn't do it!

Or do I now have to qualify every story published by a whole host of news outlets!

The way it works, is if YOU don't think it's correct, give us some evidence to show some error in the story"

Sorry, I didn't mean that you should prove anything, I was just asking if you had found a second source,because all I see are the "host of news outlets" restating the original Emirates247 story, usually crediting it as the source.

More media outlets reporting it doesn't make it more true, but it does mean that the story being accurate becomes more important - if 1,000 people read it on Emirates247 that's one thing, but when the mirror, mail, telegraph etc are all passing it on, that's millions of people.

I accept that I can't prove it's false (as I already said). What I think I'm entitled to is a healthy degree of scepticism as to the diligence of the journalists passing this (or indeed any other story) off without checking. I'm sure we've all used the phrase "well, if it was in the papers it must be true" as a sarcastic expression of this kind of problem.

We're I to be a journalist, i'd be contacting the Dubai search and rescue service, asking for the date this happened, the name of the man prosecuted, and the sentence he received. I'd also want to know what prompted this deputy director to bring this story to light - it's not as if Dubai's a beacon of progressiveness, is it? Is his an elected position? Is the post above him currently vacant?

Again - not expecting anyone on this thread to answer any of that, but neither am I prepared to swallow whatever the media chooses to peddle - no matter how many of them are effectively Retweeting it!

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

I would say there is no teaching that promotes this and it was the warped characteristic of the individual that caused the death of the woman . "

There is a hell of a lot of teaching (brainwashing) in the world that teaches shit like this. Funnily enough the main culprits seem to follow some stone age cult.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

Jehova's Witnesses, who have refused to let their children have life saving blood transfusions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

I would say there is no teaching that promotes this and it was the warped characteristic of the individual that caused the death of the woman .

There is a hell of a lot of teaching (brainwashing) in the world that teaches shit like this. Funnily enough the main culprits seem to follow some stone age cult."

Thankfully the fathers actions were against the law - hopefully it'll teach him and others who have been brainwashed and hold such a warped view.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

I would say there is no teaching that promotes this and it was the warped characteristic of the individual that caused the death of the woman .

There is a hell of a lot of teaching (brainwashing) in the world that teaches shit like this. Funnily enough the main culprits seem to follow some stone age cult."

No sorry that is completely untrue so I'm informed

Stone age ,tsk , don't be so insulting they are mainly late iron age cults

All of the good books only teach humans to love each other that is all nothing else , never even a suggestion how a person may best live a life ?

And the vast majority of people accross the whole world who have belief in such things , objectively disregard any of the interpretations and implications of topics within the texts that would produce any negativity or disharmony between other humans ,

The odd one we rarely hear from is simply insane and without any support or validation from peers or leaders, and complete misunderstanding of totally Unambiguous texts they randomly decide with no reason or explanation to carry out actions they dishonestly claim are explicit within certain text

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

I would say there is no teaching that promotes this and it was the warped characteristic of the individual that caused the death of the woman .

There is a hell of a lot of teaching (brainwashing) in the world that teaches shit like this. Funnily enough the main culprits seem to follow some stone age cult."

And as I said earlier this is more about a reason to attack islam than caring about the girl's supposed death

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

I would say there is no teaching that promotes this and it was the warped characteristic of the individual that caused the death of the woman .

There is a hell of a lot of teaching (brainwashing) in the world that teaches shit like this. Funnily enough the main culprits seem to follow some stone age cult.

No sorry that is completely untrue so I'm informed

Stone age ,tsk , don't be so insulting they are mainly late iron age cults

All of the good books only teach humans to love each other that is all nothing else , never even a suggestion how a person may best live a life ?

the odd one we really hear from?

you not got a telly? they've got their own country now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

I would say there is no teaching that promotes this and it was the warped characteristic of the individual that caused the death of the woman .

There is a hell of a lot of teaching (brainwashing) in the world that teaches shit like this. Funnily enough the main culprits seem to follow some stone age cult.

No sorry that is completely untrue so I'm informed

Stone age ,tsk , don't be so insulting they are mainly late iron age cults

All of the good books only teach humans to love each other that is all nothing else , never even a suggestion how a person may best live a life ?

the odd one we really hear from?

you not got a telly? they've got their own country now

Tongue appeared like it was in cheek when Taoist wrote that..

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Has anyone bothered to check if this is true!

The word sheep comes to mind.

Have you checked?

I'm warm and snuggly and people want my meat.

I'm a sheep

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Just read the story, what a warped world some people live in

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

sorry taoist. I am a tit. did read it three times aswell

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By *obbytupper OP Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

I just received a pm explaining the story is twenty years old ffs.

Sadly the sender didn't elaborate by giving proof, just a statement!

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"I just received a pm explaining the story is twenty years old ffs.

Sadly the sender didn't elaborate by giving proof, just a statement!

ahh well, if it was the hoff he might have a case

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

To be fair it has been reported on the news channels today

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By *obbytupper OP Man
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

Exactly Rugby hence my post.

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By *eraldthecatCouple
over a year ago

Reading

This was taken from an event that happened in 1996.Why it suddenly becomes news is beyond me..... oh hang on it was in The Daily Mail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This was taken from an event that happened in 1996.Why it suddenly becomes news is beyond me..... oh hang on it was in The Daily Mail. "

If it's not news - is it called olds?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/mediamonkeyblog/2015/aug/11/mail-online-telegraphs-dubai-drowning?CMP=twt_gu

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Either way being old or new it highlights the difference between religions ? Good or bad ? Also the way that some cultures treat there own !

So is it any wonder that our outlook on how we look after people is often abused ?

My experience is off a local in a country who scalded with water his daughter in order to get food and water from us ?

Seems that the women were possessions not human beings?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish religions would just disappear, they cause so many problems in people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What sort of warped teaching promotes such disregard for life?

I would say there is no teaching that promotes this and it was the warped characteristic of the individual that caused the death of the woman .

There is a hell of a lot of teaching (brainwashing) in the world that teaches shit like this. Funnily enough the main culprits seem to follow some stone age cult.

And as I said earlier this is more about a reason to attack islam than caring about the girl's supposed death"

I totally agree with you

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By *unLondonLadMan
over a year ago

Camberley/London

A lot of people seem to have the misconception that this way of thinking is derivative of one religion or other. the attitudes of the father in the article are not religious ones, they are founded in out dated traditions and beliefs local to certain areas. But I agree with a lot of the people above in being sceptical. Stories like this are spread like wildfire because regardless of the religion of the man in question, most people in our society automatically asume he is Muslim and shoot me for saying it but the media helps reinforce the vilification of Islam.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"This was taken from an event that happened in 1996.Why it suddenly becomes news is beyond me..... oh hang on it was in The Daily Mail. "

Plus sky, Metro, Mirror, Independent, a French site and a good few other News sites

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By *rivate auditionsMan
over a year ago

West Midlands

"Just read the story, what a warped world some people live in

Very wierd & warped!,Life seems to mean nothing to these heathens unfortunatly and women ae just possesions with no rights whatsoever!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This was taken from an event that happened in 1996.Why it suddenly becomes news is beyond me..... oh hang on it was in The Daily Mail.

Plus sky, Metro, Mirror, Independent, a French site and a good few other News sites

Yep - commonfolk can't really be blamed because of the way it was reported by the above.

"Apparently the article – which originated on the website Emirates 24/7 – was from an interview in which lifeguards were asked to recount the strangest things that had happened to them."

They mentioned this case of the Asian man who prevented his daughter’s rescue - an event which occurred in 1996.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

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"This was taken from an event that happened in 1996.Why it suddenly becomes news is beyond me..... oh hang on it was in The Daily Mail.

Plus sky, Metro, Mirror, Independent, a French site and a good few other News sites

While I would love to blame the Daily Mail, this time it wasn't them. They all seem to have got it from one middle eastern site, whose motives remain a mystery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of people seem to have the misconception that this way of thinking is derivative of one religion or other. the attitudes of the father in the article are not religious ones, they are founded in out dated traditions and beliefs local to certain areas. But I agree with a lot of the people above in being sceptical. Stories like this are spread like wildfire because regardless of the religion of the man in question, most people in our society automatically asume he is Muslim and shoot me for saying it but the media helps reinforce the vilification of Islam. "

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Profile Brumies and SharplyDressedMan

You are the ONLY TWO people I want on the jury when I am tried.

This story has no evidence base. NONE.

It may be reported in the media but it's obviously picked up by those who interpret it as they want it interpreted.

Some 'officials' were asked to recount the strangest story they'd ever heard.

The 'NEWS' as some call it was simply an ANECDOTE told by one man. What's more it was supposed to have happened in 1996.

Not NEWS no EVIDENCE. Just a STORY.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

To the person who said truth doesn't matter it's only a topic for debate... cba looking back to see who you are.

Based on this thread alone you can hear the rumblings of blind hatred and no one even cares if it's true.

Propaganda fuels hate quicker than if people have actual facts.....

Daily Mail/Propaganda ? hmmmmmmm

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Sharp! Sharp ! Learn to spell ffs.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

....in a modern world we live in its sad that many religions still force this issue that women/girls are still 2nd class citizans.common sense says save the girl with dignity rather than let her die 'pure'.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"....in a modern world we live in its sad that many religions still force this issue that women/girls are still 2nd class citizans.common sense says save the girl with dignity rather than let her die 'pure'."

Where did you find out that the man did it for religious reasons ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Profile Brumies and SharplyDressedMan

You are the ONLY TWO people I want on the jury when I am tried.

This story has no evidence base. NONE.

It may be reported in the media but it's obviously picked up by those who interpret it as they want it interpreted.

Some 'officials' were asked to recount the strangest story they'd ever heard.

The 'NEWS' as some call it was simply an ANECDOTE told by one man. What's more it was supposed to have happened in 1996.

Not NEWS no EVIDENCE. Just a STORY.

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How do you know it's not true?

Did you perhaps read it in a newspaper... The very same media which your declaring to be biased!

Maybe the question should be, if there misreporting about that, what else are they misreporting about and who's pushing the lies, oops, I mean misreporting and what's the reason?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone bothered to check if this is true!

The word sheep comes to mind.

Yeh, WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!"

Google it rather than just being generally rude to folk, several media sources have reported it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Profile Brumies and SharplyDressedMan

You are the ONLY TWO people I want on the jury when I am tried.

This story has no evidence base. NONE.

It may be reported in the media but it's obviously picked up by those who interpret it as they want it interpreted.

Some 'officials' were asked to recount the strangest story they'd ever heard.

The 'NEWS' as some call it was simply an ANECDOTE told by one man. What's more it was supposed to have happened in 1996.

Not NEWS no EVIDENCE. Just a STORY.

How do you know it's not true?

Did you perhaps read it in a newspaper... The very same media which your declaring to be biased!

Maybe the question should be, if there misreporting about that, what else are they misreporting about and who's pushing the lies, oops, I mean misreporting and what's the reason?"

The Independant, August 2015.

"He said: “The kids were swimming in the beach when suddenly, the 20-year-old girl started drowning and screaming for help.

“Two rescue men were at the beach, and they rushed to help the girl.

“However, there was one obstacle which prevented them from reaching the girl and helping her.

“This obstacle was the belief of this Asian man who considered that if these men touched his daughter, then this would dishonour her. It cost him the life of his daughter.”

According to Lt Col Burqibah, the man became aggressive, physically pulling the rescue men away from the water and said he “prefers his daughter being dead than being touched by a strange man”.

The girl died in the incident but Lt Col Burqibah said she could have been saved as they were “so to her to pull her out of the water” when her father intervened.

The man was later prosecuted for stopping the rescue team from doing its job.

It is unclear exactly when the incident is alleged to have happened, although one report suggested it dates back as far as 1996."

So even if it was 1996, does that make it any less abhorrent that a man would rather see his daughter die than be rescued by strange men? That's a mixed up 'culture'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's an even more mixed up leftie run press we have that this was not world wide news and condemnation of the culture that allows this to happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's an even more mixed up leftie run press we have that this was not world wide news and condemnation of the culture that allows this to happen. "

You want to condemn an entire culture of milions based on this story?

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

"Has anyone bothered to check if this is true!

The word sheep comes to mind.

Yeh, WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

Google it rather than just being generally rude to folk, several media sources have reported it.

Good grief, this again?

I DID Google it at the time, and your "several news sources" ALL COPIED IT FROM THE SAME SOURCE. That isn't multiple sources, that's ***ONE***

Even the report from the Indie that you subsequently quoted can't do better than "if it happened at all it was 20 years ago". In other words there is no actual proof that this happened - it's hearsay from some policeman doing the equivalent of telling a tall story in the pub.

It's then used (and re-used) to foster increases in religious bigotry, which does no one any good.

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over a year ago

Odd thread to bump back up.

Not a nice story to hear even if it was almost 10 years ago

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