FabSwingers.com forum: natural v enhanced

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Lets debate natural tits v enhanced fake tits... both are ace but i do love a great pair of enhanced tits

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

I think it depends on the person.

If you are happy and confident with your body wether it be all natural or enhanced In some way it shows.

For me I never even took my top off during sex with any long term partners before I had my boobs done I was so horrified by them. Getting them done was the best thing I ever did.

If people aren't keen any they don't want to meet me because I have them I won't lose sleep over it.

I have seen men expressing their utter dislike of fake boobs on the forums them messaging me for meets tho.. So I do wonder those that say it would they actually turn someone down based on them having fake boobs??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I absolutely adore enhanced boobs ! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am greedy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the one area where I would consider surgery and the one reason putting me off losing anymore weight because as soon as I lose weight my boobs disappear and I'm left with spaniel ears

it's a catch 22 for me. Fat with some boobs or slim with none.

Thank god for the enhancing bras

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

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By *rank EinsteinMan
over a year ago

Burton upon stather

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

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By *rc83Man
over a year ago

warrington

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I. "

Agree with this completely

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By *unky monkey 351Man
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Natural all day at least they move lol

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

I'm really keen on getting some massive ones. I love artificial beauty, an enhanced comic book figure is to die for! But that preference is just for my own body, other people just need a pulse.

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By *exyspecs and supermanCouple
over a year ago

A house, a very big house in the country

I do like mine but alas gravity is a bitch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When they're in front of me ready to be kissed, licked and sucked, I couldn't care less whether they're natural or enhanced

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Enhanced boobies is one thing I've never played with...... Yet......

I do like naturally big, but I think fake boobs can be quite sexy....

(./\.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love them natural

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I. "

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mine are naturally huge I love fake ones too though I prefer them natural no matter what size...I have a plan and the money aside to get them reduced and lifted when I'm 30. He thinks it's a waste but I just want to buy normal underwear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like them both

. Its rare you get bad fakes these days x

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

When you say enhanced.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no preference either way. If someone is confident with their body it's sexy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only have b cups, but I'm happy with my puppies the way they are... They're neat, in proportion and sensitive as hell

Personally I wouldn't want to go through what I see as unnecessary surgery, which might not then out the way I planned, and which might ruin them completely.

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By *rank EinsteinMan
over a year ago

Burton upon stather

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs? "

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones.

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By *rank EinsteinMan
over a year ago

Burton upon stather

"When you say enhanced.....

If you can remove them at will they don't count...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones. "

I'm not sure why you're twisting what he's saying? He clearly didn't intend any offence to anyone. Or are you trying to make yourself look good by jumping to the defence of the poor "insulted" ladies......of which I see none...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

enhanced that look natural are fine but those huge upwardly and outwardly goldfish bowls with stretched skin just about keeping them in look painful and nasty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lets all mass debate over boobs, shall we?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I. "

He said ...... BIG , SMALL I like them ALL......

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones. "

Don't get a job as an interpreter. We'd be fucked.

'More than a handful is a waste' means........ he can only play with what he can get hold of.

It has NO hidden meaning or insult.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

He said ...... BIG , SMALL I like them ALL......

selective reading is an awful condition to suffer with though...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

He said ...... BIG , SMALL I like them ALL......

selective reading is an awful condition to suffer with though..."

So is reading what's not there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

He said ...... BIG , SMALL I like them ALL......

selective reading is an awful condition to suffer with though...

So is reading what's not there"

I think if you suffer with one you often have the other too....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who cares! If they're treated with care, attention and nibbles, what's not to like; whatever they are?

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By *overs14Couple
over a year ago

norwich

I'm very happy with my enhanced boobs. They have given me the confidence to take my bra off infront of people. Something I would never have done before. And I know that people probably don't believe it but they do move and bounce. And I've had a few people comment on how soft and squishy they are compared to other fake boobs they've felt.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

depends on the woman and how she is in the sack really OP. I have had some great looking tits, but their attitude toward sex was absolutely closeted, then again I have had some great looking tits and their sex has been fabulous.

I have had more real than fake tit meets, but I have to hand it to my real tit meets - you could not write a book about some of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Natural all day at least they move lol "

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Natural all day at least they move lol "

Mine move just fine!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

mine are natural and Mr q loves them

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By *uxomBloomsWoman
over a year ago

Near Tunbridge Wells

I love mine but at 38H they do get so heavy sometimes.

I've definitely heard men say the 'more than a handful is a waste' comment as an insult before but clearly this chap just meant it as a personal preference. Variety is the spice of life, if we all liked the same things it would be rather a boring planet.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

To his moll cried the lynx eyed derecrive,

Can it be that your East tit,

Beats your West by a bit,

Or is it a trick of perspective?

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

I don't care whether they are natural or enhanced. The thing that's most important to me is that the woman enjoys them being seen an played with.

If enhancing them does that then that's great.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lets debate natural tits v enhanced fake tits... both are ace but i do love a great pair of enhanced tits"

Is this an advert for your own

They're fantastic!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm rather big at 36ff so I really hate them - plus gravity getting better of me!!!

Defo going smaller when I have money!!!

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By *uckoldingslutWoman
over a year ago

mansfield/worksop

love my enhanced ones, i think it depends if there over or under muscle implants tho, under are so much more natural looking IMO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I ve yet to feel a pair of enhanced

Ahhhh someday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Prefer natural, though some enhanced look good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"love my enhanced ones, i think it depends if there over or under muscle implants tho, under are so much more natural looking IMO

I really can't argue with that. They look great..

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By *hocolate007Man
over a year ago

london

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones.

same thing i thought. He needs to realise everyone is entitled to say their minds on the topic, no gain in licking ass. I personally love them natural and not too big

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it depends on the person.

If you are happy and confident with your body wether it be all natural or enhanced In some way it shows.

For me I never even took my top off during sex with any long term partners before I had my boobs done I was so horrified by them. Getting them done was the best thing I ever did.

If people aren't keen any they don't want to meet me because I have them I won't lose sleep over it.

I'm the same I hate my boobs and never get them out even when having sex, they just upset me to much

However I would never get surgery I would sooner just keep them away than go under the knife

On other people I really don't care, its upto them if they have a boob job or not I'm not here to comment or judge

Do what makes you happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a fan of plastic surgery myself (poland been myself) its enhanced all the way. Self perception means better body parts then why not? thus more confidence within ourselves. Never for someone else but enhanced all the way!

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By *rank EinsteinMan
over a year ago

Burton upon stather

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones.

same thing i thought. He needs to realise everyone is entitled to say their minds on the topic, no gain in licking ass. I personally love them natural and not too big"

I wasn't licking anybodies arse, I was speaking my mind.

But when you say everyone is entitled to I guess you mean apart from me?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im 100% natural at 36hh.. i have also played with a female who had her breasts enhanced i dont mind them

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By *omSub_bullcplCouple
over a year ago

Biddeford

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones.

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston

Natural, always natural regardless of size.

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By *rank EinsteinMan
over a year ago

Burton upon stather

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones.

I'm not twisting anything or defending anyone, I'm expressing my thoughts.

Why isn't it ok for me to do so but it is for you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones.

I'm not twisting anything or defending anyone, I'm expressing my thoughts.

Why isn't it ok for me to do so but it is for you? "

But he wasn't shaming big boobs. You read something that wasn't there. of course.it's ok for you to have thoughts, no one said it wasn't, but it's not on when they are putting words in someone elses mouth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont mind as long as they fit the frame...have a friend who had a silly boob job. Size 4-6 and about a g-h cup. Looks ridiculous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont mind as long as they fit the frame...have a friend who had a silly boob job. Size 4-6 and about a g-h cup. Looks ridiculous. "

#killingit....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did somebody say big boobies!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did somebody say big boobies!!!

Your ridiculously good looking!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did somebody say big boobies!!!

Your ridiculously good looking! "

Thank you... Have you seen my wife?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones.

I'm not twisting anything or defending anyone, I'm expressing my thoughts.

Why isn't it ok for me to do so but it is for you? "

Because you said he was shaming big boobs. Sorry, but you don't have big boobs so how do you know those of us with big boobs were shamed or not? I wasn't. He wasn't rude or insulting.

Stop being so patronising on the forums, correcting how people post & what they post. You do it a lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did somebody say big boobies!!!

Your ridiculously good looking!

Thank you... Have you seen my wife?

Obviously I meant you, jeez duuuur!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did somebody say big boobies!!!

Your ridiculously good looking!

Thank you... Have you seen my wife?

Obviously I meant you, jeez duuuur!

Haha il take a compliment where I can get one!!

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over a year ago

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By *hocolate007Man
over a year ago

london

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones.

same thing i thought. He needs to realise everyone is entitled to say their minds on the topic, no gain in licking ass. I personally love them natural and not too big

I wasn't licking anybodies arse, I was speaking my mind.

But when you say everyone is entitled to I guess you mean apart from me?"

you not so good at twisting peoples words to suit your motives, when i said ' everyone is entitled to ' i meant everyone and not you. You not the only one on the forum you know and every word on here is not all about you.

same way you speaking your mind now is the same way the other guy was speaking his mind, there was no need for you to bite his head off even tho what he was saying was not about you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did somebody say big boobies!!!

Your ridiculously good looking!

Thank you... Have you seen my wife?

Obviously I meant you, jeez duuuur!

Haha il take a compliment where I can get one!! "

bad dress sense in terms hat etc but overall, quite a symmetric face so well done on that (your a DILF)! Besides if I ever meet a real women hopefully she'll look as good as yours (another compliment) I have wife envy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did somebody say big boobies!!!

Your ridiculously good looking!

Thank you... Have you seen my wife?

Obviously I meant you, jeez duuuur!

Haha il take a compliment where I can get one!!

I was at work building a roof, it was cold.. And bless you, what a gent!! I'm a very lucky man indeed x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did somebody say big boobies!!!

Your ridiculously good looking!

Thank you... Have you seen my wife?

Obviously I meant you, jeez duuuur!

Haha il take a compliment where I can get one!!

I was at work building a roof, it was cold.. And bless you, what a gent!! I'm a very lucky man indeed x "

RIGHT OK lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still remember them...

The fakest looking real tits ever, amazing.

I like real and fake more or less equally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest I just like all boobs. Any shape and size, natural or enhanced. Even better when the lady has a great smile too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones.

I'm not twisting anything or defending anyone, I'm expressing my thoughts.

Why isn't it ok for me to do so but it is for you? "

All I was doing was expressing my thoughts... everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, why are you criticising mine? You can clearly see that nobody was offended by what I said... apart from you. Don't be such a wetty, lighten up a bit.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

the really good boob jobs you can not tell they are actually boob jobs......

I was seeing this women who had gone up too high, so they basically looked like 2 over inflated water balloons....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs?

By saying more than a handful is a waste, it's the same as saying real men like meat and dog's go for bones.

same thing i thought. He needs to realise everyone is entitled to say their minds on the topic, no gain in licking ass. I personally love them natural and not too big

I wasn't licking anybodies arse, I was speaking my mind.

But when you say everyone is entitled to I guess you mean apart from me?"

you're entitled to an opinion. You are not entitled to point the finger at others. There is a huge difference. You can put your own opinion without mentioning anyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would never enhance mine. Fake ones look odd imo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like the concept of a woman being happier and more confident because of a boob enhancement (whether that be bigger or smaller than original) but being a guy who likes the reactions women give from playing with their boobs, I wonder if it affects the sensitivity. Google was not very helpful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would never enhance mine. Fake ones look odd imo"

I don't think you've seen that many then!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like the concept of a woman being happier and more confident because of a boob enhancement (whether that be bigger or smaller than original) but being a guy who likes the reactions women give from playing with their boobs, I wonder if it affects the sensitivity. Google was not very helpful"

It actually increased mine!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It actually increased mine!! "

That is a very interesting answer. I was not expecting that. Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It actually increased mine!!

That is a very interesting answer. I was not expecting that. Thank you

no problem x

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over a year ago

"I would never enhance mine. Fake ones look odd imo

I don't think you've seen that many then!! "

I have seen loads, and the majority don't look natural.

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over a year ago

"I would never enhance mine. Fake ones look odd imo

I don't think you've seen that many then!!

I have seen loads, and the majority don't look natural."

Just to clarify can you define natural?

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over a year ago

"I would never enhance mine. Fake ones look odd imo

I don't think you've seen that many then!!

I have seen loads, and the majority don't look natural."

that's precisely why I would have a boob job. My natural looking ones are odd sizes,not in proportion and flappy.

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By *overs14Couple
over a year ago

norwich

It actually increased mine!! "

Mine too, my nipples were really sensitive before but now they are ridiculously sensitive!

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over a year ago

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I wouldnt have said that was shaming big boobs it's a very common saying as well as many big boobed complimentary quotes ??

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I.

Wtf!? How am I shaming big boobs? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as there big I don't mind fake or real

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over a year ago

My preference is real over fake any day of the week. Regardless of size, as long as they're pert and suckable.

In my experience those with enhanced usually have their heads stuck up their own arses and over inflated egos.

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over a year ago

"All boobs are great!! Big, small I like all of them! I've kinda got a kink for women with small boobs!

More than a handful is a waste!

No need to shame big boobs because you like small ones.

I couldn't care less about size, real or implanted.

As long as the owner is happy and confident with them so am I. "

Mr dog complimented all boobs but specified his own personal preference. I can't see how you took it that he was shaming anyone?!

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"enhanced that look natural are fine but those huge upwardly and outwardly goldfish bowls with stretched skin just about keeping them in look painful and nasty."

I completely agree with this...

Though hubby think all boobs are great

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over a year ago

"I would never enhance mine. Fake ones look odd imo

I don't think you've seen that many then!!

I have seen loads, and the majority don't look natural.

Just to clarify can you define natural? "

The majority are too far apart and too rounded.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"enhanced that look natural are fine but those huge upwardly and outwardly goldfish bowls with stretched skin just about keeping them in look painful and nasty."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jeez you lot. There is a way too state a preference without putting others down

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By *overs14Couple
over a year ago

norwich

"Jeez you lot. There is a way too state a preference without putting others down

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"My preference is real over fake any day of the week. Regardless of size, as long as they're pert and suckable.

In my experience those with enhanced usually have their heads stuck up their own arses and over inflated egos. "

In my experience (and I used to moderate a cosmetic surgery forum) most women get them done to feel normal or as a result of illness (reconstruction etc) or maybe to get back what was lost after kids and breastfeeding or huge weight loss and are about as far from up their own arses as you can get. Most don't go around flashing them, a lot don't even talk about it and have smaller implants in the hope that most people don't notice.

I myself had once breast that didn't develop properly. I was too embarrassed at how I looked to even take my top off. Having mine done meant I would go swimming on holiday. Stop wearing baggy jumpers and just felt like a normal woman instead of looking like a freak!

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By *lueeyedbrunetteWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

I wish mine were fake looking but every bloke ive been with has loved them so Spose they aren't that bad x

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over a year ago

"My preference is real over fake any day of the week. Regardless of size, as long as they're pert and suckable.

In my experience those with enhanced usually have their heads stuck up their own arses and over inflated egos.

You've clearly had very different experiences from me then!

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