FabSwingers.com forum: "Swarm"

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Cameron has described the thousands of migrants who keep invading the Eurotunnel terminal in France as a "swarm"

Labour have condemned his language as "provocative" ..... Despite Blunket previously calling the Sangat camp as a "cess pit" crawling with scum......

Opinions? Personally (despite myself) I think Cameron is bang on this time!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems a fair analogy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All them hotties trying to get to the uk as a welcome fab are giving them free membership p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems a reasonable term to use.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Sounds a good description to what he was talking about....obviously politicians like to try and score points against each other.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"swarm 1 (swôrm)

3. An aggregation of persons or animals, especially when in turmoil or moving in mass: A swarm of friends congratulated him.

a. To move or emerge in a swarm.

2. To move or gather in large numbers: Shoppers have swarmed into the mall.

3. To be overrun; teem: "

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

When you start comparing humans to insects, it's a recipe for murder

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

It is just like a swarm so I think hes right to compare it to that

He probably never thought of the word....his writer did so send all complaints to him

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By *rank EinsteinMan
over a year ago

Burton upon stather

He used the term appropriately, how long before a full blown riot transpires is my question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just something Labour have pounced on as a point scoring exercises. These things deflect the issue at hand and waste time Should have better things to do.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

No, I think it is a repugnant term used in this context.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole situation is a mess. For those saying we should reduce our foreign aid, I would say we should be looking to help the north African countries from where many migrants are risking their lives to escape.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

bet the lorry drivers feel swarmed on

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Just something Labour have pounced on as a point scoring exercises. These things deflect the issue at hand and waste time Should have better things to do. "

I agree, typical politically correct nonsense from Labour yet again.

I think the use of the word "swarm" is spot on in this instance, and those who disagree how else would you describe the migrants in calais trying to get into Britain in their thousands each night?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Very odd that on the face of everything that is going on in Calais, and the direct threat to the security and safety of the the border, we should choose to have a hissy fit about choice of language!!

Or should we know each one of them by name?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"The whole situation is a mess. For those saying we should reduce our foreign aid, I would say we should be looking to help the north African countries from where many migrants are risking their lives to escape."

Or we could blockade the north African ports to stop the illegal people traffickers sending their boats over the med in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think taking offence signals nothing more than opportunist fake outrage which quite frankly bares little or no connection to the real issue....

Sigh.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes its an swarm too, what they need to do is to build an berlin wall 100 metres from the tunnel then use the land between the wall and tunnel as a mine field with IEDs and barbed wire, somehow u have to keep them out, extreme measures for a extreme problem

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By *ucky1Man
over a year ago

a straightjacket

Swarm is very apt, as they have swarmed through all these other European countries to get to our border, so they can milk our tasty benefits...... seems like a swarm to me

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"When you start comparing humans to insects, it's a recipe for murder"

I would check the dictionary definition given by the poster above your own....!

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

Or we could blockade the north African ports to stop the illegal people traffickers sending their boats over the med in the first place. "

Or do all three. Reduce foreign aid but target it and make sure it is used where needed, not on finding mates for fish! We then prevent these overcrowded death traps being sent to sea.

Both policies together may work but won't help with the Calais situation as it stands.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Yes its an swarm too, what they need to do is to build an berlin wall 100 metres from the tunnel then use the land between the wall and tunnel as a mine field with IEDs and barbed wire, somehow u have to keep them out, extreme measures for a extreme problem

You forgot the electrified fences Shag.

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By *uyfromchiMan
over a year ago

CHICHESTER

Bloody pc brigade they are a swarm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You forgot the electrified fences Shag.

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Yes that fence too lol, they got the solution tho, its about implementing it

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Sounds a good description to what he was talking about....obviously politicians like to try and score points against each other."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or we could blockade the north African ports to stop the illegal people traffickers sending their boats over the med in the first place.

Or do all three. Reduce foreign aid but target it and make sure it is used where needed, not on finding mates for fish! We then prevent these overcrowded death traps being sent to sea.

Both policies together may work but won't help with the Calais situation as it stands."

Trying to deal with the problem at source makes a huge amount of sense rather than seeing an increasing mess in Calais and on the Ialian coast.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

Or we could blockade the north African ports to stop the illegal people traffickers sending their boats over the med in the first place.

Or do all three. Reduce foreign aid but target it and make sure it is used where needed, not on finding mates for fish! We then prevent these overcrowded death traps being sent to sea.

Both policies together may work but won't help with the Calais situation as it stands.

Trying to deal with the problem at source makes a huge amount of sense rather than seeing an increasing mess in Calais and on the Ialian coast."

Totally agree which is why I would like to see the boats turned round as I said, however, the mess at Calais would still need dealing with now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or we could blockade the north African ports to stop the illegal people traffickers sending their boats over the med in the first place.

Or do all three. Reduce foreign aid but target it and make sure it is used where needed, not on finding mates for fish! We then prevent these overcrowded death traps being sent to sea.

Both policies together may work but won't help with the Calais situation as it stands.

Trying to deal with the problem at source makes a huge amount of sense rather than seeing an increasing mess in Calais and on the Ialian coast.

Totally agree which is why I would like to see the boats turned round as I said, however, the mess at Calais would still need dealing with now."

Yep, hard to see what the solution is, I guess the EU leaders need to get together and provide refuge across the continent rather than expecting just France and the UK to deal with the problem.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

I don't see this as purely an EU problem. refugees should be handled by the UN. Sent to a UN run distribution centre and from there allocated to countries worldwide.Spread the load evenly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let em all in then just heard them to the cliffs of Dover like lemmings.

Or maybe Beachy Head.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't see this as purely an EU problem. refugees should be handled by the UN. Sent to a UN run distribution centre and from there allocated to countries worldwide.Spread the load evenly."

great idea, although something needs to be done in the countries from which people are migrating otherwise there will be even more men, women and children risking their lives to find somewhere better to live.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed. Politically correct nonsense.

That said, each individual is a human being with a story to tell. A mum, a dad, a son, a daughter, a brother, a sister. Just like you and me.

I would put humanity before point scoring

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

As soon as you start describing people is a manner that reminds people of insects you are dehumanizing them...its far easier killing people,or letting them die when you think of them as something you can crush under your boot,and not as people.people who want to come here,and have a better life for them,and their families..i won't forget they're human beings so fuck you Cameron you over privileged white fuck wit

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

He wasn't talking about what they are but about how they're behaving.

Swarm is appropriate in the circumstances.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Let em all in then just heard them to the cliffs of Dover like lemmings.

Or maybe Beachy Head."

The Politicians..

bit harsh

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Let em all in then just heard them to the cliffs of Dover like lemmings.

Or maybe Beachy Head."

It may come to a point where the only answer is to allow the 'swarm' through the tunnel at a controlled rate and incarcerate them nearby. There's bound to be disused army/ air force bases nearby.

A restricted diet or a ticket home will concentrate the mind. No papers? Bread and water it is then.

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

"Let em all in then just heard them to the cliffs of Dover like lemmings.

Or maybe Beachy Head.

It may come to a point where the only answer is to allow the 'swarm' through the tunnel at a controlled rate and incarcerate them nearby. There's bound to be disused army/ air force bases nearby.

A restricted diet or a ticket home will concentrate the mind. No papers? Bread and water it is then."

like dover prison, where they come and go as they please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let em all in then just heard them to the cliffs of Dover like lemmings.

Or maybe Beachy Head.

It may come to a point where the only answer is to allow the 'swarm' through the tunnel at a controlled rate and incarcerate them nearby. There's bound to be disused army/ air force bases nearby.

A restricted diet or a ticket home will concentrate the mind. No papers? Bread and water it is then."

I think letting them through would be a mistake. They then become our 'problem'. Personally I don't understand why we should do anything. Its happening in France, it should be their problem. But if we didn't the French would just wave them through!

I think Cameron is right in his wording. A very apt description. I also think farage spoke well on the bbc this morning.

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By *owboy BebopMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

What is the correct term for a large group attempting to break through security barriers.... Mob ??? There seems to be more debate on how to label the people or situation.... I would argue that these people are economic migrants , and not asylum seekers ( the preferred media label) as most have travelled through 2 or 3 EU countries, before attempting to enter the UK.

This brings us back to the debate of why do they wish to come to the UK , and not remain in France, which less face it, is a safe democratic country with a fairly socially progressive leftish administration ???

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Let em all in then just heard them to the cliffs of Dover like lemmings.

Or maybe Beachy Head.

It may come to a point where the only answer is to allow the 'swarm' through the tunnel at a controlled rate and incarcerate them nearby. There's bound to be disused army/ air force bases nearby.

A restricted diet or a ticket home will concentrate the mind. No papers? Bread and water it is then.

like dover prison, where they come and go as they please"

No. A disused army/ Air Force base. Properly guarded (maybe by the armed forces).

I don't think many escape from Colchester.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How about a naval blockade to stop the people smugglers and more effort to tackle them in their respective countries.

Adopt the Australian approach of turning any round who make it. A little harsh but it is a crisis and its breaking point.

Then perhaps share the people out in Calais across Europe fairly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about a naval blockade to stop the people smugglers and more effort to tackle them in their respective countries.

Adopt the Australian approach of turning any round who make it. A little harsh but it is a crisis and its breaking point.

Then perhaps share the people out in Calais across Europe fairly. "

To some it may be harsh. But we need to do something....and fast. Farage made this point earlier today. Adopt the Australian approach. He also mentioned that I.S. may well be sneaking jihadists in amongst the asylum seekers and there is no way of checking. And they could be spreading themselves around Europe. Supposition maybe, but equally I wouldn't put it past them.

We need to destroy the smugglers chain, whether it is targeting the smugglers or their infrastructure. By being 'soft' we are just encouraging more to make their way into Europe and some of them onto here!

It should be a pan European operation at the very least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Swarm is the right term. Like a swarm of bees seeking out free nectar. Thing is, once the nectar has been wiped out, the swarm will move on.

These are not your normal migrants fleeing conflict who feel freedom on reaching the shores of europe. Instead, they are opportunists that are after as much as they can get for free and see the soft foreign policy of the UK system as an easy rewarding target. They have strategically decided to go beyond the help offered in Italy, Germany, and France to get as much as they can out of the UK and will damage property, break the law and inconvenience the very people they expect to bankroll their new lifestyles.

So expect more strain on housing, greater NHS waiting lists, council budget shortfalls and a reduction in UK GDP as taxes have to be spread ever thinner over an expanding population.

Note that in this case, I didn't say schools though as most of those at Calais are young adult men who are the most mobile and agile in the migrant population. Those that really need help have been left behind in the conflict areas.

I've operated in some of these areas... I've seen it with my own eyes.

UK has got trouble coming it's way over the next 2 decades and British culture as we know it will be history topic in 2 generations time.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"When you start comparing humans to insects, it's a recipe for murder"

I agree. I think his language was emotive and propagandist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let em all in then just heard them to the cliffs of Dover like lemmings.

Or maybe Beachy Head.

It may come to a point where the only answer is to allow the 'swarm' through the tunnel at a controlled rate and incarcerate them nearby. There's bound to be disused army/ air force bases nearby.

A restricted diet or a ticket home will concentrate the mind. No papers? Bread and water it is then."

Werent the Red Road flats used to house asylum seekers at one point? Dundee has demolished half a dozen reasonably good tower blocks in the last couple of years.

Surely there must be a few tower blocks awaiting demolition that can be used for the sake of humanity and decency.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

I have lots of friends and relations in Kent, and it's absolute mayhem there. There's also hundreds actually getting through every day, and all that's happening with them is they are being processed, let go, and told to report to a local police station weekly...

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

The man is an eejit... I've stopped listening to what he has to say. Blissful ignorance keeps my blood pressure down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As soon as you start describing people is a manner that reminds people of insects you are dehumanizing them...its far easier killing people,or letting them die when you think of them as something you can crush under your boot,and not as people.people who want to come here,and have a better life for them,and their families..i won't forget they're human beings so fuck you Cameron you over privileged white fuck wit

couldn't agree more

I can not condemn people for doing what I would do, if I lived in a country where I feared for my life and that of my family I would do anything to get them to a safe place, people are risking their lifes to get here and that's not just because they are after benifits, they want a safe and better life surely under all the hatred towards them people can still understand that

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

couldn't agree more

If they really are seeking genuine asylum, they are already in a safe country (france). So why not claim asylum there? Or Italy or Greece or Spain or any other European country they may have travelled through to get to calais. Why so desperate to get to the uk?

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By *lackbirdtimestwoWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

"When you start comparing humans to insects, it's a recipe for murder"

Totally agree,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

couldn't agree more

Not all of them are, every person who gets off a boat in Italy does not come to the uk

I'm sure each one of them have their own destination it's just we only hear about those trying to get into the UK because those going to other countries are not news to us

i have no idea really it's not an ideal situation for anybody them or us, I'm not saying let them in I'm not saying we can cope with them all, all I am saying is I have empathy for their situation and I just can't condemn them for wanting a better life, the only solution is for their own counties to stop war and making their own homes unbearable then maybe they would stay but we all know that's not a realistic solution so people will keep coming

sad really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree, in theory, except that people arent stupid. My father escaped Nazi Germany on a kintertrain. He could have gone to the first safe country (France) but history shows how stupid that would have been. According to today's rules he should have stopped in France and be slaughtered just like the rest of my family.

Maybe my Irish Catholic side of my family, probably United Ireland supporters or terrorists as they are sometimes called, should have stayed in Ireland and starved.

And then there is me. An economic refugee. When Thatcher was doing what she did best, i had to leave the UK and work abroad sending money back so my family had food on the table, clothes on their back and a roof over their heads.

I cant see a north African being comfortable in the land of the Foreign Legion or an Ethiopian enjoying life in Italy

Always good to walk a mile in someone elses shoes rather than pontificate

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Maybe my Irish Catholic side of my family, probably United Ireland supporters or terrorists as they are sometimes called, should have stayed in Ireland and starved.

I cant see a north African being comfortable in the land of the Foreign Legion or an Ethiopian enjoying life in Italy

Always good to walk a mile in someone elses shoes rather than pontificate"

Your comparisons don't make much sense. Europe is not at war with any north African countries at the current time, so why make the comparison with nazi Germany or irish republicans? Is north Africa about to invade southern Europe militarily? Maybe you know something we don't?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you should try the last line of my post. Try walking a mile in someone elses shoes and understand where they are coming from. I have been an economic refugee. I lost my famy for 7 years - you try it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you should try the last line of my post. Try walking a mile in someone elses shoes and understand where they are coming from. I have been an economic refugee. I lost my famy for 7 years - you try it"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Swarm is the right term. Like a swarm of bees seeking out free nectar. Thing is, once the nectar has been wiped out, the swarm will move on.

So expect more strain on housing, greater NHS waiting lists, council budget shortfalls and a reduction in UK GDP as taxes have to be spread ever thinner over an expanding population.

I've operated in some of these areas... I've seen it with my own eyes.

UK has got trouble coming it's way over the next 2 decades and British culture as we know it will be history topic in 2 generations time. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dehumanise them so they can be caged and shipped off somewhere. Stir up the racists. Get the pitchforks out.

Stupid stupid stupid government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Swarm is the right term. Like a swarm of bees seeking out free nectar. Thing is, once the nectar has been wiped out, the swarm will move on.

So expect more strain on housing, greater NHS waiting lists, council budget shortfalls and a reduction in UK GDP as taxes have to be spread ever thinner over an expanding population.

I've operated in some of these areas... I've seen it with my own eyes.

UK has got trouble coming it's way over the next 2 decades and British culture as we know it will be history topic in 2 generations time.

I laugh at this consistent "British culture" comment....global capitalism is our culture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's an accurate discriptiom humans do show swarm behaviour in crowds in experiments enough people also act in a very similar pattern to a shoal of fish when told to avoid a designated preditor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where were you an economic refugee?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where were you an economic refugee?"

It's always been a swarm of refugees

Nothing new in that it's just the describing

Like a gobble of trannies

Or horde of barbarians

Anyone who had a decent pre Americanism education would know that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where were you an economic refugee?"

Europe though i bypassed France, the first non Thatcher country on my escape

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Exelent word to use,descriptive but not rude.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Where were you an economic refugee?

Europe though i bypassed France, the first non Thatcher country on my escape"

And we're you there legally, or illegally? How many trains did you have to jump, or lorries hang onto the bottom of I wonder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The difference is that i am white and had skills that were required. They werent skills that this country wanted but others did.

The point is that, unless i would live off benefits and keep my family in poverty i did what i could and became an economic refugee.

No, i am not a hypocrite and i dont believe in pulling up the ladder because we are all nice and protected far more than most.

Frankly, the lack of humanity shown in this thread is a great disappointment. May be we should struggle a little bit more to realise just how easy it is to fall a few rungs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

David Cameron was saying it like it is. He was asked a question in an inter_iew, and he described the situation as it is. The tunnel is being swarmed by people trying to get in. Like the word or not, its a fact. I'm pleased he's come out and said it, as politicians these days are too scared of telling it how it is, for fear of upsetting the PC brigade.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

Living here in Kent at the moment is 'interesting'. Our main motorway is being used as a free lorry park, for which our council tax will have to go up to pay for the policing costs involved. And we have to pick up the costs of the 'under 18' ayslum seekers many of which aren't under 18 but know how to play the system to stay here and lie about their age.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And as for trains and being illegal, no i didnt. My father on the other hand did. That is jewish children escaped Nazi Germany - on a train with false papers. And that is why i am alive today, nothing to do with rules and legality.

Try walking a mile in their shoes then i will listen to what you have to say. Because, until you do, you really dont have much to say of consequence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not the biggest Cameron fan

However I really don't see what he said wrong, I mean how else do you describe thousands of migrants trying to get into the cannel tunnel and various lorry's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not the biggest Cameron fan

However I really don't see what he said wrong, I mean how else do you describe thousands of migrants trying to get into the cannel tunnel and various lorry's"

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Cameron has described the thousands of migrants who keep invading the Eurotunnel terminal in France as a "swarm"

Labour have condemned his language as "provocative" ..... Despite Blunket previously calling the Sangat camp as a "cess pit" crawling with scum......

Opinions? Personally (despite myself) I think Cameron is bang on this time!"

How does he describe the hordes of D*unken British immigrants and tourists in European and Asian countries every summer getting pissed and trashing the place every night? Presumably that is ok as they are good British people.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

Thank goodness we are in a position to do this to help rescue people from utterly desperate lives in countries like Somalia and Eritrea. The fact that I work hard and help pay to support people who are desperate makes me very proud.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

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over a year ago

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?"

how many indigenous(any race) are desperate or on the take?

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

how many indigenous(any race) are desperate or on the take?"

Probably a similiar ratio

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we should send in the Army/RAF to Calais.

After all, we sent them to most of the countries they're coming from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If he had said a bunch ... Would they mean he was accusing them of being bananas?

It's a joke really! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If he had said a bunch ... Would they mean he was accusing them of being bananas?

It's a joke really! X

Dodgy choice of fruit their folks

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

how many indigenous(any race) are desperate or on the take?"

Now now Paddy you know as well as i do that we don't have..

in good old 'Great Britain' we have never had any bad people, no thieves, muggers, rapists, murderers, scroungers and benefit using dross till the immigrants came here..

not the white immigrants though, they're all jolly nice chaps..

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"If he had said a bunch ... Would they mean he was accusing them of being bananas?

It's a joke really! X

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?"

We don't know. We cannot know so why ruin those who are desperate because of some who are disingenuous? Is it not a worthy price to pay to be able to help those who truly need our help? Or shall we let people who need us go to rot because of some chancers?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Cameron has described the thousands of migrants who keep invading the Eurotunnel terminal in France as a "swarm"

Labour have condemned his language as "provocative" ..... Despite Blunket previously calling the Sangat camp as a "cess pit" crawling with scum......

Opinions? Personally (despite myself) I think Cameron is bang on this time!

Louts and hooligans...again using the correct language.

I am no fan of Cameron as anyone who has seen my previous posts will know.

My point was that Labour were once again shooting themselves in the foot by trying to score cheap political points.

As many have pointed out the word "swarm" is a perfect description of the situation. I made no comment on the actual situation or the causes of such....others have done that for me.

I do however agree that the vast majority of people posting here.

Genuine asylum seekers should, and do apply for asylum in first safe country as per the United Nations Charter.

The majority at Calais are, or seem to be young, fit, male, benefit hunters and economic migrants.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??"

of course not, but must wee vilify them as scrounging scum?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??"

Certainly would put them somewhere better than they are now. They are human beings in a civilised rich country and they are being herded into camps and pens. It is barbaric.

There is a good question to be asked why they are not being given asylum in France. But I have no trouble paying to settle them somewhere humane and appropriate be that in France or the UK. Any person deserves ethical and humane treatment. No matter what.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

of course not, but must wee vilify them as scrounging scum?"

I haven't vilified anyone as scrounging scum !

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

"What is the correct term for a large group attempting to break through security barriers.... Mob ??? There seems to be more debate on how to label the people or situation.... I would argue that these people are economic migrants , and not asylum seekers ( the preferred media label) as most have travelled through 2 or 3 EU countries, before attempting to enter the UK.

The key... or the issue is language.

English is a second language for many of the migrants. French would potentially be a third.

Possibly historically our own fault for sharing our little island's language far and wide?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

of course not, but must wee vilify them as scrounging scum?

I haven't vilified anyone as scrounging scum !"

sorry it was a general term, from the press,facebook,etc,etc..maybe some on the thread..

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

of course not, but must wee vilify them as scrounging scum?

I haven't vilified anyone as scrounging scum !

sorry it was a general term, from the press,facebook,etc,etc..maybe some on the thread.."

No probs

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

Kent is the first place most of these asylum seekers come in, so Kent and it's council tax payers has to pick up the bill. If Kent county council has to pick up these costs then they have to cut costs elsewhere, and it's more than likely support groups for the disability etc will have their grants cut to pay for it. Somewhat unfair when these people have travelled through numerous safe countries to get to kent, and could have gone to numerous safe countries in africa.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

Certainly would put them somewhere better than they are now. They are human beings in a civilised rich country and they are being herded into camps and pens. It is barbaric.

Well yeah but.....

Let's say we let in 100,000 people in from these as you said your self less civilised countries!!

The probability being as they've come from less civilised countries, a reasonably high proportion of that 100,000 will be how shall I say...

Less civilised!

And that 100,000 phone home and say, hey it's great here, you want to come over.

There's what 1.2 billion people in Africa around 400 million of them live in abject poverty, 350 million more live in reasonable poverty, they get by but not as good as here!!.

So my question is where are you going to put the 750 million Africans?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The key... or the issue is language.

English is a second language for many of the migrants. French would potentially be a third.

Possibly historically our own fault for sharing our little island's language far and wide?! "
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Actually I'd guess that French is spoke more in Africa than English! English certainly wouldn't be widespread

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

Certainly would put them somewhere better than they are now. They are human beings in a civilised rich country and they are being herded into camps and pens. It is barbaric.

Well yeah but.....

Let's say we let in 100,000 people in from these as you said your self less civilised countries!!

The probability being as they've come from less civilised countries, a reasonably high proportion of that 100,000 will be how shall I say...

Less civilised!

And that 100,000 phone home and say, hey it's great here, you want to come over.

There's what 1.2 billion people in Africa around 400 million of them live in abject poverty, 350 million more live in reasonable poverty, they get by but not as good as here!!.

So my question is where are you going to put the 750 million Africans?"

Fair point well made

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah, it's not as though Africa is a pretty big place is it?

Or so overdeveloped that it doesn't need the "extra jobs that immigration creates".*

*said by countless liberal/labour folks.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

Certainly would put them somewhere better than they are now. They are human beings in a civilised rich country and they are being herded into camps and pens. It is barbaric.

Well yeah but.....

Let's say we let in 100,000 people in from these as you said your self less civilised countries!!

The probability being as they've come from less civilised countries, a reasonably high proportion of that 100,000 will be how shall I say...

Less civilised!

And that 100,000 phone home and say, hey it's great here, you want to come over.

There's what 1.2 billion people in Africa around 400 million of them live in abject poverty, 350 million more live in reasonable poverty, they get by but not as good as here!!.

So my question is where are you going to put the 750 million Africans?"

Well the 900 million British people who earn over £1000000 per day can surely buy a new moon and house them there.

See I can make things up and present them as an argument too. It doesn't stop it being utter bollocks though.

Best we don't let these dark skinned savages into our perfect idyll. They are dreadfully uncouth after all.

Some of them don't even have butlers.

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By *ocksalt69Man
over a year ago

cardiff

A swarm of people...really???however our dear PM is busy at the moment swarming south east Asian countries for investors that will fund the Northern Powerhouse dream!

Same same old mentality since 10bc

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

Certainly would put them somewhere better than they are now. They are human beings in a civilised rich country and they are being herded into camps and pens. It is barbaric.

Well yeah but.....

Let's say we let in 100,000 people in from these as you said your self less civilised countries!!

The probability being as they've come from less civilised countries, a reasonably high proportion of that 100,000 will be how shall I say...

Less civilised!

And that 100,000 phone home and say, hey it's great here, you want to come over.

There's what 1.2 billion people in Africa around 400 million of them live in abject poverty, 350 million more live in reasonable poverty, they get by but not as good as here!!.

So my question is where are you going to put the 750 million Africans?"

anyone watch crime watch the other night? Notice a high proportion of the cases and wanted criminals on the show involved foreigners. This is what you get when you open the floodgates.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"A swarm of people...really???however our dear PM is busy at the moment swarming south east Asian countries for investors that will fund the Northern Powerhouse dream!

Same same old mentality since 10bc

Cameron a one man swarm now is he????? Maybe you need to look up the term in the dictionary?

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By *ocksalt69Man
over a year ago

cardiff

"A swarm of people...really???however our dear PM is busy at the moment swarming south east Asian countries for investors that will fund the Northern Powerhouse dream!

Same same old mentality since 10bc

Cameron a one man swarm now is he????? Maybe you need to look up the term in the dictionary? "

Yes swarm. Checked in dictionary and consistent within the context of the point am making.

And with regards to your previous post,horrible crimes are being committed in this country day in day out by both immigrants and citizens.

While I agree immigration is a major problem in the UK today....it is also clear that people like yourself also contribute to the problems in the country with your myopic _iews. Have a good morning sir.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

Certainly would put them somewhere better than they are now. They are human beings in a civilised rich country and they are being herded into camps and pens. It is barbaric.

Well yeah but.....

Let's say we let in 100,000 people in from these as you said your self less civilised countries!!

The probability being as they've come from less civilised countries, a reasonably high proportion of that 100,000 will be how shall I say...

Less civilised!

And that 100,000 phone home and say, hey it's great here, you want to come over.

There's what 1.2 billion people in Africa around 400 million of them live in abject poverty, 350 million more live in reasonable poverty, they get by but not as good as here!!.

So my question is where are you going to put the 750 million Africans?

Well the 900 million British people who earn over £1000000 per day can surely buy a new moon and house them there.

See I can make things up and present them as an argument too. It doesn't stop it being utter bollocks though.

Best we don't let these dark skinned savages into our perfect idyll. They are dreadfully uncouth after all.

Some of them don't even have butlers. "
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OK let's leave the racial connotations behind and just deal with numbers.

How many do you let in or how many do you think we can house!

1 million? 2 million

10 million!!

According to the EU there's around 250,000 illegal immigrants per year from Africa.

So let's say we take 50k

When word gets back home that 250,000 got in to Europe.

What do you think the rest will do, I mean upto now there put of by the drowning, camps, costs?, months of hunger...

So what do you think the 400 million other starving lot will think in Africa when it gets back that 250 thousand got in.... Come on be honest what would you think, I think I'd be tempted to join them!.

And that's just Africa what about the 300 million poverty stricken God awful life some Indians lead... Do they get in!

It doesn't work and never will

In my honest opinion and I know it's not everyone's, Africa needs sorting out by Africans with our help(un)

We can't wash our hands of it any longer in the hope that it will turn out all right in the end

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

Certainly would put them somewhere better than they are now. They are human beings in a civilised rich country and they are being herded into camps and pens. It is barbaric.

Well yeah but.....

Let's say we let in 100,000 people in from these as you said your self less civilised countries!!

The probability being as they've come from less civilised countries, a reasonably high proportion of that 100,000 will be how shall I say...

Less civilised!

And that 100,000 phone home and say, hey it's great here, you want to come over.

There's what 1.2 billion people in Africa around 400 million of them live in abject poverty, 350 million more live in reasonable poverty, they get by but not as good as here!!.

So my question is where are you going to put the 750 million Africans?

anyone watch crime watch the other night? Notice a high proportion of the cases and wanted criminals on the show involved foreigners. This is what you get when you open the floodgates. "

Crimes are committed by the poorest and most marginalised in a society. It just happens to be that the poorest and most marginalised in our society are often newcomers to the country. They are treated with suspicion and not given a fair chance by the incumbent population.

Remember we are all descended from immigrants. They have as much right to be here as we do.

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By *ocksalt69Man
over a year ago

cardiff

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

Certainly would put them somewhere better than they are now. They are human beings in a civilised rich country and they are being herded into camps and pens. It is barbaric.

Well yeah but.....

Let's say we let in 100,000 people in from these as you said your self less civilised countries!!

The probability being as they've come from less civilised countries, a reasonably high proportion of that 100,000 will be how shall I say...

Less civilised!

And that 100,000 phone home and say, hey it's great here, you want to come over.

There's what 1.2 billion people in Africa around 400 million of them live in abject poverty, 350 million more live in reasonable poverty, they get by but not as good as here!!.

So my question is where are you going to put the 750 million Africans?

anyone watch crime watch the other night? Notice a high proportion of the cases and wanted criminals on the show involved foreigners. This is what you get when you open the floodgates.

Remember we are all descended from immigrants. They have as much right to be here as we do. "

Say No More

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

Certainly would put them somewhere better than they are now. They are human beings in a civilised rich country and they are being herded into camps and pens. It is barbaric.

Well yeah but.....

Let's say we let in 100,000 people in from these as you said your self less civilised countries!!

The probability being as they've come from less civilised countries, a reasonably high proportion of that 100,000 will be how shall I say...

Less civilised!

And that 100,000 phone home and say, hey it's great here, you want to come over.

There's what 1.2 billion people in Africa around 400 million of them live in abject poverty, 350 million more live in reasonable poverty, they get by but not as good as here!!.

So my question is where are you going to put the 750 million Africans?

anyone watch crime watch the other night? Notice a high proportion of the cases and wanted criminals on the show involved foreigners. This is what you get when you open the floodgates.

Remember we are all descended from immigrants. They have as much right to be here as we do. "
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No I have passport that says British.

They have a passport that says Sudanese(by the way most of south Sudan's problems are in reality oil related wars) or Ghanaian or Russian(coz there all white but still barred from entering) well unless there billionaires who wish to buy some crap football team!

Either way the world isn't a free place to wander around just yet!

We've got these whacky things called borders

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Well my town never been so rich in taxi drivers and eating establishments, i'd just like thank the afghani people for introducing us to their national dishes of fried chicken and pizza.

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By *hocolate007Man
over a year ago

london

"Let em all in then just heard them to the cliffs of Dover like lemmings.

Or maybe Beachy Head."

you do realise these are human beings like you and you could be in a situation like theirs as no condition is permanent

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By *hocolate007Man
over a year ago

london

The key... or the issue is language.

English is a second language for many of the migrants. French would potentially be a third.

Possibly historically our own fault for sharing our little island's language far and wide?! .

Actually I'd guess that French is spoke more in Africa than English! English certainly wouldn't be widespread"

point of correction african language is spoken in africa not french or english,, english or french language is not a compulsory language of choice in african school. Makes me wonder where you get your info from. Media i guess

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By *hocolate007Man
over a year ago

london

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

Certainly would put them somewhere better than they are now. They are human beings in a civilised rich country and they are being herded into camps and pens. It is barbaric.

Well yeah but.....

Let's say we let in 100,000 people in from these as you said your self less civilised countries!!

The probability being as they've come from less civilised countries, a reasonably high proportion of that 100,000 will be how shall I say...

Less civilised!

And that 100,000 phone home and say, hey it's great here, you want to come over.

There's what 1.2 billion people in Africa around 400 million of them live in abject poverty, 350 million more live in reasonable poverty, they get by but not as good as here!!.

So my question is where are you going to put the 750 million Africans?

Well the 900 million British people who earn over £1000000 per day can surely buy a new moon and house them there.

See I can make things up and present them as an argument too. It doesn't stop it being utter bollocks though.

Best we don't let these dark skinned savages into our perfect idyll. They are dreadfully uncouth after all.

Some of them don't even have butlers. "

lol dark skin savages ? And what are you, a light skin piggy ? Having butlers and owning material things doesnt define you as gods gift to humanity , the definition of who you are is right there in your words and your backwards perception of other race

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"When you start comparing humans to insects, it's a recipe for murder

I would check the dictionary definition given by the poster above your own....!"

No, because it's dehumanising

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"lol dark skin savages ? And what are you, a light skin piggy ? Having butlers and owning material things doesnt define you as gods gift to humanity , the definition of who you are is right there in your words and your backwards perception of other race"

Intelligent comment in da house!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you do realise these are human beings like you and you could be in a situation like theirs as no condition is permanent "

Then they should act like human beings

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By *hocolate007Man
over a year ago

london

you do realise these are human beings like you and you could be in a situation like theirs as no condition is permanent

Then they should act like human beings"

last time i checked, only human beings act as HUMAN BEINGS as in-animate objects dont possess a pulse let alone act alive. Its been scientifically provem

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"And as for trains and being illegal, no i didnt. My father on the other hand did. That is jewish children escaped Nazi Germany - on a train with false papers. And that is why i am alive today, nothing to do with rules and legality.

Try walking a mile in their shoes then i will listen to what you have to say. Because, until you do, you really dont have much to say of consequence"

And what mile have you walked in their shoes? You have nothing of consequence to say, either.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Actually I'd guess that French is spoke more in Africa than English! English certainly wouldn't be widespread

I've never heard of a language called African. The poster didn't say that french or English is a first language. I think what the poster was saying was that, due to colonisation in previous centuries, French is more likely to be spoken than English.

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By *oneyCherryTV/TS
over a year ago

Clapham, London

"Just something Labour have pounced on as a point scoring exercises. These things deflect the issue at hand and waste time Should have better things to do.

I agree, typical politically correct nonsense from Labour yet again.

I think the use of the word "swarm" is spot on in this instance, and those who disagree how else would you describe the migrants in calais trying to get into Britain in their thousands each night? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No point bitching at the immigrants

It's not there fault we have the opportunities for them in this country

White British man is too lazy to take the low paid menial jobs thinking it is easier to claim benefits

So the immigrants come here .

Before anyone says anything how can some one who can barely speak English get a job in a supermarket or fast food place serving customers over someone who has been speaking English a their life

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

The key... or the issue is language.

English is a second language for many of the migrants. French would potentially be a third.

Possibly historically our own fault for sharing our little island's language far and wide?! .

Actually I'd guess that French is spoke more in Africa than English! English certainly wouldn't be widespread"

Not in Somalia and Eritrea!

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Part of the problem is that genuine refugees/asylum seekers are being lumped in with illegal immigrants. A problem exacerbated by the IIs posing as refugees.

Every civilised country has an obligation to look after refugees.

Just because the grass is greener in the UK doesn't make them a genuine refugee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No point bitching at the immigrants

It's not there fault we have the opportunities for them in this country

White British man is too lazy to take the low paid menial jobs thinking it is easier to claim benefits

So the immigrants come here .

Before anyone says anything how can some one who can barely speak English get a job in a supermarket or fast food place serving customers over someone who has been speaking English a their life "

So very true. I know a lot of indigemous young men who will not take menial jobs for peanuts. I know fruit farmers with dozens of caravans on their land to house eastern European folk who are happy to come here and work for NMW. They need to provide caravans because the farmers have given up trying to hire local people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Try walking a mile in their shoes then i will listen to what you have to say. Because, until you do, you really dont have much to say of consequence

And what mile have you walked in their shoes? You have nothing of consequence to say, either.

If you read my previous posts you would see that, in the time of Thatcher, i became an economic migrant by working abroad for 7 years. I missed much of my childrens early life because i went abroad to work rather than live on benefits and let them grow up in poverty.

Although i wasnt in the camps my father escaped Nazi Germany whilst the remainder of that side of the family were exterminated.

I dont know if you have children or not but imagine giving them up for 7 years.

So i think i have just a smidgeon of an understanding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No point bitching at the immigrants

It's not there fault we have the opportunities for them in this country

White British man is too lazy to take the low paid menial jobs thinking it is easier to claim benefits

So the immigrants come here .

Before anyone says anything how can some one who can barely speak English get a job in a supermarket or fast food place serving customers over someone who has been speaking English a their life

The day the government forces the White British mAle to take a job the Sooner the immigrants go home

years and years the guys used to send wifey and kids to fruit farms to pick fruit in the summer as a summer holiday

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"To be honest, I think labour have got enough problems of their own to be contending with, without trying to score points off the tories.

But then again, I don't think they've got a clue about how the electorate feel about all this.

That's fair enough , but how many are desperate and how many are just on the take ?

So would you let them all in ??

Certainly would put them somewhere better than they are now. They are human beings in a civilised rich country and they are being herded into camps and pens. It is barbaric.

Well yeah but.....

Let's say we let in 100,000 people in from these as you said your self less civilised countries!!

The probability being as they've come from less civilised countries, a reasonably high proportion of that 100,000 will be how shall I say...

Less civilised!

And that 100,000 phone home and say, hey it's great here, you want to come over.

There's what 1.2 billion people in Africa around 400 million of them live in abject poverty, 350 million more live in reasonable poverty, they get by but not as good as here!!.

So my question is where are you going to put the 750 million Africans?

Well the 900 million British people who earn over £1000000 per day can surely buy a new moon and house them there.

See I can make things up and present them as an argument too. It doesn't stop it being utter bollocks though.

Best we don't let these dark skinned savages into our perfect idyll. They are dreadfully uncouth after all.

Some of them don't even have butlers.

I am concerned that you were not able to see the sarcasm in my post. When you take it into context with the first paragraph and the posts which I made earlier I assumed it was obviously ironic and obviously laden with sarcasm. Apologies if I failed to get that across.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The day the government forces the White British mAle to take a job the Sooner the immigrants go home

years and years the guys used to send wifey and kids to fruit farms to pick fruit in the summer as a summer holiday "

Including Kent. Get all these lazy lorry drivers out of their cabs and start picking hops

. Do they still do hops in Kent?

I understand that the summer school holidays are as long as they are because, historically, kids were taken out of school to pick fruit and hops. The schools gave up trying to fight this and called it a holiday

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

you do realise these are human beings like you and you could be in a situation like theirs as no condition is permanent

Then they should act like human beings"

They are acting like human beings. They are fighting for survival and taking immense risks to give themselves and their families a decent life.

That is pretty humane.

We are the ones standing aloof watching them and pretending to be better than them. That is pretty inhuman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you do realise these are human beings like you and you could be in a situation like theirs as no condition is permanent

Then they should act like human beings

They are acting like human beings. They are fighting for survival and taking immense risks to give themselves and their families a decent life.

That is pretty humane.

We are the ones standing aloof watching them and pretending to be better than them. That is pretty inhuman."

nonsense, they are in France, a safe environment, they should obey the laws of the land, when they continue to act like thugs they should get locked up and more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you do realise these are human beings like you and you could be in a situation like theirs as no condition is permanent

Then they should act like human beings

They are acting like human beings. They are fighting for survival and taking immense risks to give themselves and their families a decent life.

That is pretty humane.

We are the ones standing aloof watching them and pretending to be better than them. That is pretty inhuman."

So why try to sneak into Britain why not turn around and go "hey France we claim asylum "

Or is France that bad a place to live.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The day the government forces the White British mAle to take a job the Sooner the immigrants go home

years and years the guys used to send wifey and kids to fruit farms to pick fruit in the summer as a summer holiday

Including Kent. Get all these lazy lorry drivers out of their cabs and start picking hops

. Do they still do hops in Kent?

Most of the lorries parked are from the EU not the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are all illegal aliens so swarm is a good word to describe them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No point bitching at the immigrants

It's not there fault we have the opportunities for them in this country

White British man is too lazy to take the low paid menial jobs thinking it is easier to claim benefits

So the immigrants come here .

Before anyone says anything how can some one who can barely speak English get a job in a supermarket or fast food place serving customers over someone who has been speaking English a their life

The day the government forces the White British mAle to take a job the Sooner the immigrants go home

years and years the guys used to send wifey and kids to fruit farms to pick fruit in the summer as a summer holiday "

http://www.poverty.org.uk/47/b.png

Well that blows that racist argument of yours out the water.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The day the government forces the White British mAle to take a job the Sooner the immigrants go home

years and years the guys used to send wifey and kids to fruit farms to pick fruit in the summer as a summer holiday

Including Kent. Get all these lazy lorry drivers out of their cabs and start picking hops

. Do they still do hops in Kent?

Most of the lorries parked are from the EU not the UK. "

My attempt at humour, sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've been fighting a losing battle against the insects for fifteen years, but I never thought I'd see the final face-off in my lifetime.

And I never dreamed, that it would turn out to be the bees. They've always been our friends.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most of the lorries parked are from the EU not the UK.

My attempt at humour, sorry"

That's easy to explain white people are too lazy to take a job in manufacturing etc so we have to import in from the EU

And when did have a decent manufacturing they messed it up by going on strike and making crappy products like British leyland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Silly question.

If, say, an Ethiopian claims asylum in Italy and receives it. At what point would they gain the open borders benefit of EU citizens?

Is it a case of getting asylum, becoming naturalised and then going to whatever EU country they want?

Is it better to play the long game?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Silly question.

If, say, an Ethiopian claims asylum in Italy and receives it. At what point would they gain the open borders benefit of EU citizens?

Is it a case of getting asylum, becoming naturalised and then going to whatever EU country they want?

Is it better to play the long game?"

Straight away but they don't want Italy as Italians work hard

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Silly question.

If, say, an Ethiopian claims asylum in Italy and receives it. At what point would they gain the open borders benefit of EU citizens?

Is it a case of getting asylum, becoming naturalised and then going to whatever EU country they want?

Is it better to play the long game?

Straight away but they don't want Italy as Italians work hard "

Remarkable that we can make these assertions without any experience of the folks we are talking about.

Could it be argued that these fellows are working rather hard themselves and the suggestion that someone who is willing to cling to the underside of a truck just to get to a place with more opportunities is not likely to be a workshy benefit scrounger? It suggests that they are willing to work hard?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No point bitching at the immigrants

It's not there fault we have the opportunities for them in this country

White British man is too lazy to take the low paid menial jobs thinking it is easier to claim benefits

So the immigrants come here .

Before anyone says anything how can some one who can barely speak English get a job in a supermarket or fast food place serving customers over someone who has been speaking English a their life

The day the government forces the White British mAle to take a job the Sooner the immigrants go home

years and years the guys used to send wifey and kids to fruit farms to pick fruit in the summer as a summer holiday

http://www.poverty.org.uk/47/b.png

Well that blows that racist argument of yours out the water. "

There are two comments combined in the above post so I am not sure which you are referring too (or both).

The poverty.org.uk site hasn't been updated since 2011 according to the home page. The site was a pet project by the now retired web master.

From my point of _iew, my comments were based on what I have seen with my own eyes and from talks I have had with farmers in the Tayside and Angus areas, many of whom are my customers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Silly question.

If, say, an Ethiopian claims asylum in Italy and receives it. At what point would they gain the open borders benefit of EU citizens?

Is it a case of getting asylum, becoming naturalised and then going to whatever EU country they want?

Is it better to play the long game?

Straight away but they don't want Italy as Italians work hard

Remarkable that we can make these assertions without any experience of the folks we are talking about.

I'm confused. I think I am being criticised but I can't match your comments up with mine.

That said, looking at my previous comments in the round you should be able to see that I tend to be pro immigration rather than anti. Probably the most pro in this thread

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By *estat069Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

Personally "Swarm" sounds right however this situation has gone on long enough. Militarilize the area and clear all fresh water.

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By *eavy Metal BallzMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"When you start comparing humans to insects, it's a recipe for murder"

Very true, it's exactly what the nazi party did, dehumanised then tried to destroy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally "Swarm" sounds right however this situation has gone on long enough. Militarilize the area and clear all fresh water."

Seriously?

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By *eavy Metal BallzMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Let em all in then just heard them to the cliffs of Dover like lemmings.

Or maybe Beachy Head.

It may come to a point where the only answer is to allow the 'swarm' through the tunnel at a controlled rate and incarcerate them nearby. There's bound to be disused army/ air force bases nearby.

A restricted diet or a ticket home will concentrate the mind. No papers? Bread and water it is then.

like dover prison, where they come and go as they please

No. A disused army/ Air Force base. Properly guarded (maybe by the armed forces).

I don't think many escape from Colchester."

What an utter load of shite, bad things happen when you put soldiers in charge of prisons.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

as a person from the kent area not many people know the extent of the happenings down here.....swarm....more like vermin is the real thing he could of said.solve the problem get rid and put army in they will cull the vermin

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"as a person from the kent area not many people know the extent of the happenings down here.....swarm....more like vermin is the real thing he could of said.solve the problem get rid and put army in they will cull the vermin"

You want the army to kill unarmed people on British soil

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are vermin, i know countries where they shoot to kill if you cross the border lines.

Isis could use this as a port of entry, they could use it to get future terrorists with bombs through.

I find it worrying how they are more concerned about a suicide bombers human rights, than the overall nations safety

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2000 migrants in shanty town hell bent on risking their lives in pursuit of a criminal act to gain illegal entry into another country; two G8 nations who seem paralysed and powerless to act.

The British don't want them but cant move them. The French don't care because they don't want to be in France they want to be in Britain.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"2000 migrants in shanty town hell bent on risking their lives in pursuit of a criminal act to gain illegal entry into another country; two G8 nations who seem paralysed and powerless to act.

The British don't want them but cant move them. The French don't care because they don't want to be in France they want to be in Britain.

That's about it. Meanwhile people in Kent lose business, a major route is regularly blocked and it appears that nothing substantial is being done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are not vermin. They are desperate people; desperate enough to risk their lives to live illegally in a country that doesn't want them.

It speaks volumes to their desperation, the situation and the fact that nations seem incapable or unwilling to intervene.

When they are dropping out of the skies off aircraft landing gear then the whole situation is out of control and wont be solved by migrant camps, armed guards, shoot-on-sight or immigration policies. The solution is a geo-political and financial one.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

life is a bitch and sometimes shit happens a bit of natural wastage does not bother me ,every one in kent uk affected now.blame good old tony blair for signing up to all the euro deals ,all because he thought when he jacked in being pm he was going to be the prezz of europe...he thought it was a done deal.....how wrong was he ?...oh just like weaponds of mass....just how wrong was he ? god he knew shit all

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"They are not vermin. They are desperate people; desperate enough to risk their lives to live illegally in a country that doesn't want them.

It speaks volumes to their desperation, the situation and the fact that nations seem incapable or unwilling to intervene.

In recent weeks the migrants in Calais seem to be much more organised, that's what concerns me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They need help. Can the UK take in those with kids. Please

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

yes desperate.....for our welcome, money,.jobs, health care ,houses etc etc and then bring the rest of the family to kent...the kent people have had enough.....even going to house these vermin next door to a primary school in Whitstable now.parts of dover where they live is now a no-go area a getto...they have no class at all apart from when they are collecting there bennies.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I can't believe I actually agree with David Cameron: swarm in the context he used it was correct.

Looking at the pictures coming out of Calais showing fit, determined Africans I don't feel empathy or sympathy but a sense of foreboding. I do feel guilty for that being a child of immigrants but there's something about their steely determination to get to these shores that worries me.

The country can't cope. What happens when they realise this isn't Shangri-la?

People will always strive for a better life and take risks to achieve it: it will be forever thus, however, there is something about the current situation that terrifies me, yet I can't quite put my finger on what.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Let em all in then just heard them to the cliffs of Dover like lemmings.

Or maybe Beachy Head.

It may come to a point where the only answer is to allow the 'swarm' through the tunnel at a controlled rate and incarcerate them nearby. There's bound to be disused army/ air force bases nearby.

A restricted diet or a ticket home will concentrate the mind. No papers? Bread and water it is then.

like dover prison, where they come and go as they please

No. A disused army/ Air Force base. Properly guarded (maybe by the armed forces).

I don't think many escape from Colchester.

What an utter load of shite, bad things happen when you put soldiers in charge of prisons. "

Thank you for your considered comment.

Bad things happen in ALL prisons but these would be under such scrutiny I doubt they'd suffer the same problems.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I can't believe I actually agree with David Cameron: swarm in the context he used it was correct.

.... "

Even the high profile critics of Cameron agree with the use of swarm.

It's just they feel the need to do something to get themselves on telly. It's the silly season after all.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"Cameron has described the thousands of migrants who keep invading the Eurotunnel terminal in France as a "swarm"

Labour have condemned his language as "provocative" ..... Despite Blunket previously calling the Sangat camp as a "cess pit" crawling with scum......

Opinions? Personally (despite myself) I think Cameron is bang on this time!"

It's disgusting. Constantly comparing human beings to pests only dehumanises them - and look what happens when you dehumanise large groups of people.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple
over a year ago

near cardiff

"How about a naval blockade to stop the people smugglers and more effort to tackle them in their respective countries.

Adopt the Australian approach of turning any round who make it. A little harsh but it is a crisis and its breaking point.

Then perhaps share the people out in Calais across Europe fairly. "

If we're going to do it like the Australians, then lets do it properly - by allowing guards to rape chidren, and arresting the doctors and lawyers who condemn and speak out. A model racist policy.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

its a global issue and needs addressing, the reasons are not only that of people seeking a better life which i personally see as lets face it we all strive to do for our families..

some of these people are coming from absolute hell holes the like of which we have not the faintest idea and which our 'foreign policy decisions' in the past couple of decades have attributed..

the language of some on here terrifies me, that some are calling other humans vermin and talking about 'culling them' like feral rats or something..

seeing the vile side of some people is never pretty and talking in the manner similar to the Nazi's and the final solution is worrying indeed..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The key... or the issue is language.

English is a second language for many of the migrants. French would potentially be a third.

Possibly historically our own fault for sharing our little island's language far and wide?! .

Actually I'd guess that French is spoke more in Africa than English! English certainly wouldn't be widespread

Not in Somalia and Eritrea! "
.

I was thinking of the top of my head, I could think of more French speaking countries than English

Chad, ivory coast, Congo, Mali, Morocco, Madagascar, Niger.

As far as I'm aware that's those countries official language?

I could only think of three English speaking ones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't believe I actually agree with David Cameron: swarm in the context he used it was correct.

The country can't cope. What happens when they realise this isn't Shangri-la?

I don't think there's anything to feel guilty about, I'm from a family of immigrants, so are lots of others, however were probably from legal immigration and that's the point, you either have laws or don't.

Let's say Australia abandoned their rules and just let anybody in, how long would it take before an Australian claimed the English were swarming into the country! Not very long probably.

Look to solve any problem, needs first to admit we have a problem, the problem is a massively wide division of wealth in the world!

So how best to solve this, according to some on here, we just remove borders and let people flow around the world following work!.

For me being from my stand point, that's a recipe for environmental disaster.

It's high time the un acted like the agent we set it up as, Africa's problems are NOT unsolvable, they just require an investment in time and money

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The key... or the issue is language.

English is a second language for many of the migrants. French would potentially be a third.

Possibly historically our own fault for sharing our little island's language far and wide?! .

Actually I'd guess that French is spoke more in Africa than English! English certainly wouldn't be widespread

Not in Somalia and Eritrea! .

I was thinking of the top of my head, I could think of more French speaking countries than English

Chad, ivory coast, Congo, Mali, Morocco, Madagascar, Niger.

As far as I'm aware that's those countries official language?

I could only think of three English speaking ones"

There's a difference between official language and everyday usage.

English is the popular language it is because of popular music, the cinema and so on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The key... or the issue is language.

English is a second language for many of the migrants. French would potentially be a third.

Possibly historically our own fault for sharing our little island's language far and wide?! .

Actually I'd guess that French is spoke more in Africa than English! English certainly wouldn't be widespread

Not in Somalia and Eritrea! .

I was thinking of the top of my head, I could think of more French speaking countries than English

Chad, ivory coast, Congo, Mali, Morocco, Madagascar, Niger.

As far as I'm aware that's those countries official language?

I could only think of three English speaking ones

There's a difference between official language and everyday usage.

English is the popular language it is because of popular music, the cinema and so on. "
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There everyday language would be a multitude of African languages.

This myth that everyone in the world speaks English is just that an utter myth.

Go to Mali, you'll be lucky to hear any western songs let alone see western films.

In fact go to Germany or France or Austria.

I think the myth is perpetrated by British tourists visiting British tourist spots and then applying the amount of people who work in that tourist spot across the entire country they visited.

I've traveled extensively across France, you'll be very fortunate to find somebody who speakers English, in fact I'd go as far to say it's about the same ratio as finding somebody in England who speaks French

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't believe I actually agree with David Cameron: swarm in the context he used it was correct.

The country can't cope. What happens when they realise this isn't Shangri-la?

Don't be silly the dude who had the giant rusty machete is going to be a model citizen once he gets here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vile language used by Cameron to intentionally incite hatred

Equally some heinous terminology in this thread

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"Vile language used by Cameron to intentionally incite hatred

Equally some heinous terminology in this thread

I don't see it as that. In the inter_iew Cameron put no emphasis on the word swarm and the inter_iewer didn't notice the word. It was used correctly.

I do agree that the word has been used to incite racial hatred though. I believe it has been picked out deliberately to try and score very cheap political points which has the added bonus of shifting the emphasis away from the actual problem and therefore negating the need to offer a solution. Harriet harperson is partly responsible for this and she must be pleased with the result.

"If you can bear to hear the words you've spoken, twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""swarm 1 (swôrm)

3. An aggregation of persons or animals, especially when in turmoil or moving in mass: A swarm of friends congratulated him.

a. To move or emerge in a swarm.

2. To move or gather in large numbers: Shoppers have swarmed into the mall.

3. To be overrun; teem: ""

sounds more like a group meet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Vile language used by Cameron to intentionally incite hatred

Equally some heinous terminology in this thread

I don't see it as that. In the inter_iew Cameron put no emphasis on the word swarm and the inter_iewer didn't notice the word. It was used correctly.

"If you can bear to hear the words you've spoken, twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools""

It was used for effect - contextualize as you choose

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"Vile language used by Cameron to intentionally incite hatred

Equally some heinous terminology in this thread

I don't see it as that. In the inter_iew Cameron put no emphasis on the word swarm and the inter_iewer didn't notice the word. It was used correctly.

"If you can bear to hear the words you've spoken, twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools"

It was used for effect - contextualize as you choose "

I totally agree, it was, by people trying to score cheap points. By the current leader of the Labour Party for example.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

If only those people had been called Cecil.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I can't believe I actually agree with David Cameron: swarm in the context he used it was correct.

The country can't cope. What happens when they realise this isn't Shangri-la?

Let's say Australia abandoned their rules and just let anybody in, how long would it take before an Australian claimed the English were swarming into the country! Not very long probably.

Look to solve any problem, needs first to admit we have a problem, the problem is a massively wide division of wealth in the world!

So how best to solve this, according to some on here, we just remove borders and let people flow around the world following work!.

For me being from my stand point, that's a recipe for environmental disaster.

It's high time the un acted like the agent we set it up as, Africa's problems are NOT unsolvable, they just require an investment in time and money"

I always find it ironic however, that people often cite Australia as an example, conveniently forgetting white people are not the indigenous race. The poor aborigines didn't know what hit them...We at least have a fighting chance.

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over a year ago

"I can't believe I actually agree with David Cameron: swarm in the context he used it was correct.

The country can't cope. What happens when they realise this isn't Shangri-la?

Let's say Australia abandoned their rules and just let anybody in, how long would it take before an Australian claimed the English were swarming into the country! Not very long probably.

Look to solve any problem, needs first to admit we have a problem, the problem is a massively wide division of wealth in the world!

So how best to solve this, according to some on here, we just remove borders and let people flow around the world following work!.

For me being from my stand point, that's a recipe for environmental disaster.

It's high time the un acted like the agent we set it up as, Africa's problems are NOT unsolvable, they just require an investment in time and money

Not really the irony is most large scale emigration usually always ended in the decimation of the indigenous population.

I could have sited south America, north America, Australia, Africa, middle East or south east China!

Of course you can't keep looking back at history to move on but it always helps to know your history

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over a year ago

Never before in the history of the world had such a mass of

human beings swarmed and suffered together. This was no disciplined march - it

was a stampede - without order and without a goal, six million people unarmed

and unprovisioned, driving headlong. It was the beginning of the rout of civilization,

of the massacre of mankind.

Mullahhh

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over a year ago

"Let em all in then just heard them to the cliffs of Dover like lemmings.

Or maybe Beachy Head.

It may come to a point where the only answer is to allow the 'swarm' through the tunnel at a controlled rate and incarcerate them nearby. There's bound to be disused army/ air force bases nearby.

A restricted diet or a ticket home will concentrate the mind. No papers? Bread and water it is then."

Maybe tattoo numbers on their arm too ?

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By *hocolate007Man
over a year ago

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Actually I'd guess that French is spoke more in Africa than English! English certainly wouldn't be widespread

neither have i heard of a language called african or british or american, hence why the sentence reads ' african language is spoken in africa ' . Colonisation had no effect on the african language despite what the media makes you believe neither did any african opt to speak french or english. The african language is and always will be the first and generally accepted language in africa just like english is the accepted language in england duh

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

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Try walking a mile in their shoes then i will listen to what you have to say. Because, until you do, you really dont have much to say of consequence

And what mile have you walked in their shoes? You have nothing of consequence to say, either.

Although i wasnt in the camps my father escaped Nazi Germany whilst the remainder of that side of the family were exterminated.

I dont know if you have children or not but imagine giving them up for 7 years.

So i think i have just a smidgeon of an understanding."

So an economic migrant from 80s britain is the same as a Jewish refugee child fleeing from nazis, or the refugees of today?

Wow! How do you make that leap of your imagination?

As for the kinder transports... these were agreed beforehand by the British government, and every child had a sponsor or foster family to go to. They were legally here. There were around 10,000, many of whose parents were in concentration camps. So it wasn't a case of 'bypassing all the other countries of Europe' to get to Britain. A bit different from today's situation, where people are trying to illegally enter our country.

As for 'giving up your children'? Yes, something very similar happened to me, only under different circumstances. And yes, for years.

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over a year ago

Actually I'd guess that French is spoke more in Africa than English! English certainly wouldn't be widespread

Swahili African or Yoruba African or Arabic African.

There is no common language for the continent of Africa just like there's no common language fur Europe or Asia or even native north Americans!

However if you go to the ivory coast nearly everybody there speaks French!

Or Côte de ivory as it's officially called

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