FabSwingers.com forum: Time travel

By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

This is random but I'm at work bored and my mind started to wander and I started thinking about time travel. I wonder if in the future someone would invent time travel and then travel back into history to change something. Or maybe if several people all time travelled to change something like stopping the titanic from sinking would that then mean hundreds of extra people time travelling to the titanic and all that extra weight sinking it and not the iceberg?

God work is slow today!!

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

As a co-owner of an actual time machine I can confirm this is not possible on the timeline where the Titanic sank from an iceberg. It always sinks by hitting an iceberg.

But every time transition generates a new and unique timeline if events are altered in any way, effectively spawning a new dimension of reality. Those on the existing timeline will not be affected by what occurs on the new timeline. So in this new dimension it would be possible to sink the Titanic by over populating it but you wouldn't know unless you too owned an Inter Dimensional Transporter (time machine to the lay man).

I hope this helps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In theory, anything is possible. But yes things happening differently would affect the outcome of something. We wouldn't know about it though because we only observe one timeline, that seems to be going forward.

How do we know the population explosion isn't down to time travellers coming here from a shitty future we created?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If time travel ever becomes possible then the people of the future will already be here or have already been here!

Surely people would travel to key points in history - eg 9/11 or the holocaust and try and intervene.

Or maybe they're very diligent and ensure that they do not impact or change the future in any way..

But if someone from the year 4,000 is able to time travel and came back to say, the year 2,000, then in our reality they've already been here and influenced the future (15 years ago!) so we are already living the future they influenced!

Ooh my head hurts! Nurse!!

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

"In theory, anything is possible. But yes things happening differently would affect the outcome of something. We wouldn't know about it though because we only observe one timeline, that seems to be going forward.

How do we know the population explosion isn't down to time travellers coming here from a shitty future we created?"

This is a very good point. I hadn't thought about that. It's not immigration that's the problem but time migration

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do we know the population explosion isn't down to time travellers coming here from a shitty future we created?

This is a very good point. I hadn't thought about that. It's not immigration that's the problem but time migration

Lol. Well the truth is whatever you perceive it to be, just if loads of people disagree with you then you'll be classed as crazy.

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

Well no change there then. I'm

Sure most people think I'm crazy. Especially people on here lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well no change there then. I'm

Sure most people think I'm crazy. Especially people on here lol

We're a bunch of pixels, communicating via signals bouncing off satellites, not sure what's sane about that?

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

"Well no change there then. I'm

Sure most people think I'm crazy. Especially people on here lol

We're a bunch of pixels, communicating via signals bouncing off satellites, not sure what's sane about that?

Tbh I enjoy being insane if that's the case

brings me into contact with people like you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well no change there then. I'm

Sure most people think I'm crazy. Especially people on here lol

We're a bunch of pixels, communicating via signals bouncing off satellites, not sure what's sane about that?

Tbh I enjoy being insane if that's the case

brings me into contact with people like you

I'm more a weirdo, but yeah i like it here in weirdy land so feel free to join me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is random but I'm at work bored and my mind started to wander and I started thinking about time travel. I wonder if in the future someone would invent time travel and then travel back into history to change something. Or maybe if several people all time travelled to change something like stopping the titanic from sinking would that then mean hundreds of extra people time travelling to the titanic and all that extra weight sinking it and not the iceberg?

God work is slow today!!"

One theory is you'd only ever be able to travel back to a time the machine existed.

Also the issue with going back in time to change events is if you succeed you'd have no need to go back in time and so never travel in time so it would happen so you'd go back and so on and so on.

Like the guy in the time machine going back to try and save the woman he loved from being killed every attempt leads to her dying in a different way, but she must always die or else he'd never go back

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

"Well no change there then. I'm

Sure most people think I'm crazy. Especially people on here lol

We're a bunch of pixels, communicating via signals bouncing off satellites, not sure what's sane about that?

Tbh I enjoy being insane if that's the case

brings me into contact with people like you

I'm more a weirdo, but yeah i like it here in weirdy land so feel free to join me...

Trust me anywhere you are I'd be only to happy to join you xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oo if you've got Netflix watch "primer" a good film about some guys who invent a time machine.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"In theory, anything is possible. "

Hate to be picky but when it comes to travelling backwards in time, no. And travelling forwards is permitted by 'real' physics but requires such a huge expenditure of energy that it is currently impractical.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well no change there then. I'm

Sure most people think I'm crazy. Especially people on here lol

We're a bunch of pixels, communicating via signals bouncing off satellites, not sure what's sane about that?

Tbh I enjoy being insane if that's the case

brings me into contact with people like you

I'm more a weirdo, but yeah i like it here in weirdy land so feel free to join me...

Trust me anywhere you are I'd be only to happy to join you xx"

You do know i'm sat in a padded cell right now? Using my mouth and a pen to type because they wrapped my arms up and strapped me down to something.

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

"Well no change there then. I'm

Sure most people think I'm crazy. Especially people on here lol

We're a bunch of pixels, communicating via signals bouncing off satellites, not sure what's sane about that?

Tbh I enjoy being insane if that's the case

brings me into contact with people like you

I'm more a weirdo, but yeah i like it here in weirdy land so feel free to join me...

Trust me anywhere you are I'd be only to happy to join you xx

You do know i'm sat in a padded cell right now? Using my mouth and a pen to type because they wrapped my arms up and strapped me down to something.

You're in my cellar??

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

"As a co-owner of an actual time machine I can confirm this is not possible on the timeline where the Titanic sank from an iceberg. It always sinks by hitting an iceberg.

I hope this helps.

Have you bumped into Lewis on your travels?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

time travel is possible I watched star trek the voyage home last night

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics.."

I travel forwards in time daily.

All the bloody time.

So no. It's not impractical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics.."

You're presuming we need a time machine to travel through time.

From my understanding of DNA, and other sciences (esp. evolution), i think it's likely we have memories stored inside us from our ancestors. This brings up some other, slightly different, possibilities of time travel for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

I travel forwards in time daily.

All the bloody time.

So no. It's not impractical.

Smart arse.

You know what I mean :P

The theory is based on Einstein's Theory of Special Relatively that states to travel forward in time, an object would need to reach speeds close to the speed of light.

As an object approach these speeds, time slows down but only for that specific object travelling.

For example, people flying over the Atlantic will experience time passing marginally slower than people on the ground.

In General Relativity, you can do it in principle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well no change there then. I'm

Sure most people think I'm crazy. Especially people on here lol

We're a bunch of pixels, communicating via signals bouncing off satellites, not sure what's sane about that?

Tbh I enjoy being insane if that's the case

brings me into contact with people like you

I'm more a weirdo, but yeah i like it here in weirdy land so feel free to join me...

Trust me anywhere you are I'd be only to happy to join you xx

You do know i'm sat in a padded cell right now? Using my mouth and a pen to type because they wrapped my arms up and strapped me down to something.

You're in my cellar?? "

Haha hope not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

"Well no change there then. I'm

Sure most people think I'm crazy. Especially people on here lol

We're a bunch of pixels, communicating via signals bouncing off satellites, not sure what's sane about that?

Tbh I enjoy being insane if that's the case

brings me into contact with people like you

I'm more a weirdo, but yeah i like it here in weirdy land so feel free to join me...

Trust me anywhere you are I'd be only to happy to join you xx

You do know i'm sat in a padded cell right now? Using my mouth and a pen to type because they wrapped my arms up and strapped me down to something.

You're in my cellar??

You can't be in my cellar unfortunately as I'd remember leaving someone like you there lol xx

Haha hope not. "

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Educate yourself:

http://www.hawking.org.uk/space-and-time-warps.html

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

Not really... it's a dimensional construct no different no height, width or depth when discussing 3d objects.

One theory I find whimsical is that there is only one electron in the entire universe and all the trillions and trillions of electrons we observe are the same electron wondering backwards and forwards through time and we simply observe it when it crosses our current moment in time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

too quote dr who...wibbly wobly timey whimey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

can feel an essay about the "Trouser legs of time coming"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

I travel forwards in time daily.

All the bloody time.

So no. It's not impractical.

Smart arse.

You know what I mean :P

The theory is based on Einstein's Theory of Special Relatively that states to travel forward in time, an object would need to reach speeds close to the speed of light.

As an object approach these speeds, time slows down but only for that specific object travelling.

For example, people flying over the Atlantic will experience time passing marginally slower than people on the ground.

In General Relativity, you can do it in principle.

GPS satilites have to take this into a count in their programing the difference in time is approximately 38 thousand nanoseconds a day and given a light nano second is roughly 1 foot that would make GPS become inaccurate by 38,000ft a day if it wasn't corrected for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time."

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

So your basing this upon the word "time" not time as a process?

As it's much like saying water doesn't exist unless there's something living in it that can name it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

I'm locked in OPs cellar.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

You're presuming we need a time machine to travel through time.

Going back to someone's explanation of time as having 3-dimensional properties, worm holes are touted as a possible means of time by being able to 'fold' space-time.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

You're presuming we need a time machine to travel through time.

Going back to someone's explanation of time as having 3-dimensional properties, worm holes are touted as a possible means of time by being able to 'fold' space-time."

*time travel

D'oh!

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

I'm locked in OPs cellar.

Shhhhh if you tell everyone they'll all want to be in there with you lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

You're presuming we need a time machine to travel through time.

Then you do not understand dna sorry :p

You don't have any memories, you may have certain responses that are common and evolved but you do not have a memory of the events that cause them.

For instance disgust, it is an involuntary feeling that keeps you safe from many sources of infection but it's not because you remember an ancestor getting sick.

Heck your own memories are not particularly accurate when tested. (Our brains fill in gaps).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

So your basing this upon the word "time" not time as a process?

As it's much like saying water doesn't exist unless there's something living in it that can name it "

Time does not exist in any form other than a system of measurement invented and used by humans..

Take humans out of that equation and time is erased ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time travel is real I mean the guy who was at Gettysburg and he identifies the house he used to live in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

I'm locked in OPs cellar.

Shhhhh if you tell everyone they'll all want to be in there with you lol

I'm starting to think you're time travel topic was to lure us in and then you used your time travelling to capture us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

You're presuming we need a time machine to travel through time.

Then you do not understand dna sorry :p

You don't have any memories, you may have certain responses that are common and evolved but you do not have a memory of the events that cause them.

For instance disgust, it is an involuntary feeling that keeps you safe from many sources of infection but it's not because you remember an ancestor getting sick.

Heck your own memories are not particularly accurate when tested. (Our brains fill in gaps).

We shall see. We are fairly immature when it comes to knowing what is going on in the brain.

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

I'm locked in OPs cellar.

Shhhhh if you tell everyone they'll all want to be in there with you lol

I'm starting to think you're time travel topic was to lure us in and then you used your time travelling to capture us.

Well that's another great plan down the pan lol I always get scuppered last minute

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

I'm locked in OPs cellar.

Shhhhh if you tell everyone they'll all want to be in there with you lol

I'm starting to think you're time travel topic was to lure us in and then you used your time travelling to capture us.

Well that's another great plan down the pan lol I always get scuppered last minute

You needed to go back in time further than i did.

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

I'm locked in OPs cellar.

Shhhhh if you tell everyone they'll all want to be in there with you lol

I'm starting to think you're time travel topic was to lure us in and then you used your time travelling to capture us.

Well that's another great plan down the pan lol I always get scuppered last minute

You needed to go back in time further than i did."

That gives me an idea

lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can say with certainty that even if time travel is possible in the future nobody comes back and kills hitler lets say, simply because we know about him,

Now the interesting thing is if someone from the future did come back and kill Hitler then we wouldn't know about him so there would be no need to go back in time to kill him thus meaning he would rise to power and we would know about him, and so the cycle would continue with 2 time lines 1 with Hitler and 1 without, but which one is the correct 1?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

You're presuming we need a time machine to travel through time.

Going back to someone's explanation of time as having 3-dimensional properties, worm holes are touted as a possible means of time by being able to 'fold' space-time."

Yeah i've hear about that. Not sure if this would work, i can't really imagine time being something physical that we can manipulate like that. People with more understanding of time and space would be able to though.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

You're presuming we need a time machine to travel through time.

Going back to someone's explanation of time as having 3-dimensional properties, worm holes are touted as a possible means of time by being able to 'fold' space-time.

But that's the beauty of Einstein's theory - it requires a revolution in the way with think about space and time being, in fact, aspects of the same thing.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

My opinion is physical time travel either way is not possible x seeing the past however is a fact xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

So your basing this upon the word "time" not time as a process?

As it's much like saying water doesn't exist unless there's something living in it that can name it

Time does not exist in any form other than a system of measurement invented and used by humans..

Take humans out of that equation and time is erased ...

So yes you do just mean the word.

Or are you saying when humans vanish all events occur simultaneously.

Do you belive distance is also simply a system of measurement?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

You're presuming we need a time machine to travel through time.

Going back to someone's explanation of time as having 3-dimensional properties, worm holes are touted as a possible means of time by being able to 'fold' space-time.

But that's the beauty of Einstein's theory - it requires a revolution in the way with think about space and time being, in fact, aspects of the same thing. "

Yeah i get that they are relative to each other, but only in the mathematical sense do i understand it. I don't understand it any other way so don't get how we can 'flip' time so it meets at points, although i know that's how we would have to time travel in the way he tells it i can't actually make any sense of that or see how it's possible.

Sometimes it takes a while (years) for me to understand something, maybe i'll get it one day.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

You're presuming we need a time machine to travel through time.

Going back to someone's explanation of time as having 3-dimensional properties, worm holes are touted as a possible means of time by being able to 'fold' space-time.

But that's the beauty of Einstein's theory - it requires a revolution in the way with think about space and time being, in fact, aspects of the same thing.

Sometimes it takes a while (years) for me to understand something, maybe i'll get it one day."

Physics is a bit like sex, if it's not blowing your mind you're not doin' it right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In theory, anything is possible.

Creating paradoxes by traveling backwards in time *before* the time machine was created is not permissible, according to my understanding of physics..

You're presuming we need a time machine to travel through time.

Going back to someone's explanation of time as having 3-dimensional properties, worm holes are touted as a possible means of time by being able to 'fold' space-time.

But that's the beauty of Einstein's theory - it requires a revolution in the way with think about space and time being, in fact, aspects of the same thing.

Sometimes it takes a while (years) for me to understand something, maybe i'll get it one day.

Physics is a bit like sex, if it's not blowing your mind you're not doin' it right

I'm doing science right.

Yay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time travel? Why I was only talking about this with a friend tommorrow. We agreed that at some point in the past it will probably be invented

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

"Have you bumped into Lewis on your travels?

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

Jeez, I thought I could be random but this lot.

Well...YOUR MEDS ARE ALL READY. COME N GET EM!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Jeez, I thought I could be random but this lot.

Well...YOUR MEDS ARE ALL READY. COME N GET EM!

Already got mine

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On a serious note. I haven't really thought about it much but I've a gut feeling that the arrow of time is gonna turn out to be one of those human-centric ideas like the Sun revolving round the Earth. It's clear that other animals on Earth experience time forwards, and live their lives forwards. But I think it is feasible that an animal exists which experiences time backwards, even though they would appear to live forwards to us. Just a thought lol

Reminds me of that Red Dwarf episode where they go to a backwards world and Lister goes off to do, or rather receive, a shit lol

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over a year ago

"Jeez, I thought I could be random but this lot.

Well...YOUR MEDS ARE ALL READY. COME N GET EM!

Napoleon says he's not having his, you can't make him.

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over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

So your basing this upon the word "time" not time as a process?

As it's much like saying water doesn't exist unless there's something living in it that can name it

Time does not exist in any form other than a system of measurement invented and used by humans..

Take humans out of that equation and time is erased ...

So yes you do just mean the word.

Or are you saying when humans vanish all events occur simultaneously.

Do you belive distance is also simply a system of measurement? "

Well unless you can identify the start and finish points and prove nothing exists outwith those parameters it's not much use.....is it.... eh!

and it certainly no use if there is no-one to use it because it would no longer be a system of measurement ,,,

Yeah,,,, you're welcome

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

So your basing this upon the word "time" not time as a process?

As it's much like saying water doesn't exist unless there's something living in it that can name it

Time does not exist in any form other than a system of measurement invented and used by humans..

Take humans out of that equation and time is erased ...

So yes you do just mean the word.

Or are you saying when humans vanish all events occur simultaneously.

Do you belive distance is also simply a system of measurement?

Well unless you can identify the start and finish points and prove nothing exists outwith those parameters it's not much use.....is it.... eh!

and it certainly no use if there is no-one to use it because it would no longer be a system of measurement ,,,

Yeah,,,, you're welcome

I'm sorry but the logic is facile

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over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

So your basing this upon the word "time" not time as a process?

As it's much like saying water doesn't exist unless there's something living in it that can name it

Time does not exist in any form other than a system of measurement invented and used by humans..

Take humans out of that equation and time is erased ...

So yes you do just mean the word.

Or are you saying when humans vanish all events occur simultaneously.

Do you belive distance is also simply a system of measurement?

Well unless you can identify the start and finish points and prove nothing exists outwith those parameters it's not much use.....is it.... eh!

and it certainly no use if there is no-one to use it because it would no longer be a system of measurement ,,,

Yeah,,,, you're welcome

I'm sorry but the logic is facile "

Oh no it isn't,,,,,

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

So your basing this upon the word "time" not time as a process?

As it's much like saying water doesn't exist unless there's something living in it that can name it

Time does not exist in any form other than a system of measurement invented and used by humans..

Take humans out of that equation and time is erased ...

So yes you do just mean the word.

Or are you saying when humans vanish all events occur simultaneously.

Do you belive distance is also simply a system of measurement?

Well unless you can identify the start and finish points and prove nothing exists outwith those parameters it's not much use.....is it.... eh!

and it certainly no use if there is no-one to use it because it would no longer be a system of measurement ,,,

Yeah,,,, you're welcome

I'm sorry but the logic is facile

Oh no it isn't,,,,,

Oh yes it is :P

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over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

So your basing this upon the word "time" not time as a process?

As it's much like saying water doesn't exist unless there's something living in it that can name it

Time does not exist in any form other than a system of measurement invented and used by humans..

Take humans out of that equation and time is erased ...

So yes you do just mean the word.

Or are you saying when humans vanish all events occur simultaneously.

Do you belive distance is also simply a system of measurement?

Well unless you can identify the start and finish points and prove nothing exists outwith those parameters it's not much use.....is it.... eh!

and it certainly no use if there is no-one to use it because it would no longer be a system of measurement ,,,

Yeah,,,, you're welcome

I'm sorry but the logic is facile

Oh no it isn't,,,,,

Oh yes it is :P"

Without an observer, nothing exists.

I'm going to sleep now, if Napoloen shuts up singing pirate songs.

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over a year ago

"On a serious note. I haven't really thought about it much but I've a gut feeling that the arrow of time is gonna turn out to be one of those human-centric ideas like the Sun revolving round the Earth. It's clear that other animals on Earth experience time forwards, and live their lives forwards. But I think it is feasible that an animal exists which experiences time backwards, even though they would appear to live forwards to us. Just a thought lol

Reminds me of that Red Dwarf episode where they go to a backwards world and Lister goes off to do, or rather receive, a shit lol

Like Merlin :p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no such thing as time...

Its just a meaningless concept created by humans so our puny minds can cope with the enormity of trying to understand an infinite eternity which has no beginning and no end....

You're welcome....

We're talking space time.

I'm talking about the fact that until humankind came about time as a concept did not exist and it will crease to exist with the extinction of our species....

On that happy note...... you're all very welcome...

So your basing this upon the word "time" not time as a process?

As it's much like saying water doesn't exist unless there's something living in it that can name it

Time does not exist in any form other than a system of measurement invented and used by humans..

Take humans out of that equation and time is erased ...

So yes you do just mean the word.

Or are you saying when humans vanish all events occur simultaneously.

Do you belive distance is also simply a system of measurement?

Well unless you can identify the start and finish points and prove nothing exists outwith those parameters it's not much use.....is it.... eh!

and it certainly no use if there is no-one to use it because it would no longer be a system of measurement ,,,

Yeah,,,, you're welcome

So yes, you're just playing badly phrased word games.

Also why would you need start and end points?

We don't even have a consistent unit. A second for instance is not an absolute unit at all places.

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

hows about every possibility exists, the reality you choose to experience just comes into play when you fixate your attention on one of them.

reality is perception..change perception you change reality

this is just about experiencing the quantum (unknown but already exists as a concept) and aligning with its rules of individual engagement..

question is, if you were already that, what would you do differently?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What suzy said

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"hows about every possibility exists, the reality you choose to experience just comes into play when you fixate your attention on one of them.

reality is perception..change perception you change reality

this is just about experiencing the quantum (unknown but already exists as a concept) and aligning with its rules of individual engagement..

question is, if you were already that, what would you do differently?

It's a pointless supposition - in an alternate reality, you've already done it

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"As a co-owner of an actual time machine I can confirm this is not possible on the timeline where the Titanic sank from an iceberg. It always sinks by hitting an iceberg.

I hope this helps.

What happens when one transporrts an IDT back in time and those people travel forward in time and mess up your IDT after you have travelled back in time. Will you then be able to return to your own time [line]?

Shall I repeat this?

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over a year ago

"hows about every possibility exists, the reality you choose to experience just comes into play when you fixate your attention on one of them.

reality is perception..change perception you change reality

this is just about experiencing the quantum (unknown but already exists as a concept) and aligning with its rules of individual engagement..

question is, if you were already that, what would you do differently?

If that were true I imagine you are a millionaire or have a cupboard full of gold bars you chose to make exist?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"hows about every possibility exists, the reality you choose to experience just comes into play when you fixate your attention on one of them.

reality is perception..change perception you change reality

this is just about experiencing the quantum (unknown but already exists as a concept) and aligning with its rules of individual engagement..

question is, if you were already that, what would you do differently?

If that were true I imagine you are a millionaire or have a cupboard full of gold bars you chose to make exist?"

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By *ittle Pocket PerveWoman
over a year ago

Portsmouth

"As a co-owner of an actual time machine I can confirm this is not possible on the timeline where the Titanic sank from an iceberg. It always sinks by hitting an iceberg.

I hope this helps.

Sorry but I did start to read your post (honest I did) but I looked at your ass and ended up perving you for 10mins and still didn't get to read it!

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By *nFairnessMan
over a year ago

The Four Corners

"hows about every possibility exists, the reality you choose to experience just comes into play when you fixate your attention on one of them.

reality is perception..change perception you change reality

this is just about experiencing the quantum (unknown but already exists as a concept) and aligning with its rules of individual engagement..

question is, if you were already that, what would you do differently?

great point well made...

Physically speaking in terms of science which is generally what people fixate themselves too... if you can travel faster than light... you can time travel.

Mentally speaking...

If you take a trip down memory lane... you are spending 'time' in the past... memories can be changed and relived and so forth... instead of seeing time as a linear object... see it as a grid before you and play with it... revisit a memory change it and the change you make there affects the present...

(otherwise how would people get over things?)

From continued observation, people want to assume that to time travel your physical body suddenly warps through time into another reality, mainly because we are taught to see our world through our five physical senses rather than other forms of perception.

Ideas you cannot taste, hear, smell, see or touch. Yet they are concepts that are real beyond the physical level of a multi-leveled reality.

So i ask who hasn't time traveled already?

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over a year ago

One is travelling through time in the present with an abundance of injustice and atrocities in tow. The question is, what can one do now, to alleviate the catastrophic dynamic?

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By *nFairnessMan
over a year ago

The Four Corners

"One is travelling through time in the present with an abundance of injustice and atrocities in tow. The question is, what can one do now, to alleviate the catastrophic dynamic?"

''if a tree falls in the forest...'' lol

Remove the attention/belief/attatchments from something and it ceases to exist in your reality

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I'm yet to be convinced that time is variable that twists with space

Playing with the human imagination is like playing with a real life quantum infinite probability machine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speaking of Dr who and time travel, did anyone see the science show with Dr Brian cox after the episode with John hurt?

He explained that time is relative to speed and gravity (hence time slowing down in a black hole and faster than light speed which was mentioned previously) however, he also stated that several theories which had been impossible to solve for centuries, became simple once time was removed from the equation, this provides the theory that time does not actually exist.

As for genetic memory, I have no idea of the concepr of that, I will probably research at some point, it does make a lot of sense. But, being somewhat an idiot, the first thing that popped into my head was the story in assassin's creed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find the best time to experience time travel is just around midnight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh, and I noticed H G Wells got some mention earlier with the time machine, very good analogy of why making a time machine is a fruitless endeavour. Again, mentioning Dr who, some events are grounded in history, therefore unchangeable. In the time machine, his fiancé died, causing him to build the time machine, if he had accepted that nothing could be done, it would not have become a fixed point, but conversely, he would not have travelled to the future to (removes text to entice people to read/watch a version of the time machine and find out for themselves)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!"

Prof. Brian Cox

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it.

Prof. Brian Cox"

Yeah? What the fuck does he know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its all wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

There was a young lady of Wight,

Who traveled much faster than light,

She departed one day,

In a relative way,

And arrived on the previous night.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Infinite Monkey Cage on NOW!

The Infinite Monkey Cage USA Tour: San Francisco

Brian Cox and Robin Ince head to San Francisco to talk aliens and UFOs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

Thanks. Better than cox on here.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Infinite Monkey Cage on NOW!

The Infinite Monkey Cage USA Tour: San Francisco

Brian Cox and Robin Ince head to San Francisco to talk aliens and UFOs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4"

The last one was on sci fi in films and television.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

We could save everyone a lot of trouble by putting a durex dispenser and a load of £2 coins in the garden of eden.

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By *ristol HellfireMan
over a year ago

Bristol

'This is random but I'm at work bored and my mind started to wander and I started thinking about time travel. I wonder if in the future someone would invent time travel and then travel back into history to change something. Or maybe if several people all time travelled to change something like stopping the titanic from sinking would that then mean hundreds of extra people time travelling to the titanic and all that extra weight sinking it and not the iceberg?

God work is slow today!!@

You said this last Friday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One is travelling through time in the present with an abundance of injustice and atrocities in tow. The question is, what can one do now, to alleviate the catastrophic dynamic?

''if a tree falls in the forest...'' lol

Remove the attention/belief/attatchments from something and it ceases to exist in your reality

You wanna test that theory by standing in the outside lane of the m1 and not beliving in that car coming your way?

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over a year ago

"One is travelling through time in the present with an abundance of injustice and atrocities in tow. The question is, what can one do now, to alleviate the catastrophic dynamic?

''if a tree falls in the forest...'' lol

Remove the attention/belief/attatchments from something and it ceases to exist in your reality

You wanna test that theory by standing in the outside lane of the m1 and not beliving in that car coming your way?"

Ouch, that's harsh. I think what the previous poster intended was not something like that, more a law of attraction kind of thing, where what you think becomes reality gradually. Sure there's mind over matter, just a quick look at what extreme martial artists do is one way of looking at it (the guy pulling a truck load of people with his cock is impressive, even though I'm skeptical as to its authenticity because of the nature of the challenge) but that's a bit too out there for most people, however, pretty much everyone uses the laws of attraction, but the best way to explain that is with the better than life episode of red dwarf, where they enter virtual reality, and everything goes perfectly whilst they are wanting it to be good, but Rimmer's mind turns everything bad because it's Rimmer

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

"As a co-owner of an actual time machine I can confirm this is not possible on the timeline where the Titanic sank from an iceberg. It always sinks by hitting an iceberg.

I hope this helps.

Have you bumped into Lewis on your travels?

Arrrrrr! There be no lewiseseses aboard moi vessel... you knob!

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

"As a co-owner of an actual time machine I can confirm this is not possible on the timeline where the Titanic sank from an iceberg. It always sinks by hitting an iceberg.

I hope this helps.

Shall I repeat this?

Do you mean mess up my IDT, like when Soxy leaves all his 'fuck-me' pumps in my quarters?

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

"As a co-owner of an actual time machine I can confirm this is not possible on the timeline where the Titanic sank from an iceberg. It always sinks by hitting an iceberg.

I hope this helps.

Sorry but I did start to read your post (honest I did) but I looked at your ass and ended up perving you for 10mins and still didn't get to read it!

It doesn't matter my sweet, it was all bollox anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not another bloody thread on time travel ffs....we had one next week.

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

"hows about every possibility exists, the reality you choose to experience just comes into play when you fixate your attention on one of them.

reality is perception..change perception you change reality

this is just about experiencing the quantum (unknown but already exists as a concept) and aligning with its rules of individual engagement..

question is, if you were already that, what would you do differently?

If that were true I imagine you are a millionaire or have a cupboard full of gold bars you chose to make exist?"

why is that...thats not my desire to act out...i wouldnt like the stress or the attention of that situation..gaining awareness of being a millionaire would mean to say i had to act like one...most millionaires are very very busy, pestered and surrounded by people most of the time..i manifest situations, outcomes, i dont need to be 'rich' in a physical sense to generate opportunity and experience..so i dont bother fixating my attention on anything so bland...

have i manifested big homes,small homes, business opportunities, places to go visit, resources to visit them with, changed interrelations with people through 'time travel'..yes..do i need to move from my physical space to do this..no i don't...am i totally harmless in my endeavours..yes i am x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Altering time is not possible. Time is a fixed measurement of one moment moving to another. Events can slow down or speed up, time can't. It's like watching a film, if you press fast forward you are not making time go faster you are making events go faster. It's the same when people say that time alters when you go faster than the speed of light, it doesn't, the speed with which events occur alters. Time travel is not possible on Earth, ever, if it was we would know about it already because someone from the future would have already have done it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some argue that it is theoretically possible but only into the future.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

funnily enough i've been organising a seminar for time travel enthusiasts ..... if anyone is interested in comming then please meet here last wednesday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just wanted to say that the whole "one moment moving to another" thing is wrong. The sequential order of time is entirely a mental product, or at least our knowledge of it is. To someone with Korsakov's syndrome time appears to have stopped and there is no "one moment moving to another". This confirms that the arrow of time is entirely psychological and that if all of humanity suffered from this syndrome we probably never would have thought up the idea of time at all. The problem is, without awareness of it, it is impossible to know whether things really are still following on one from the other. This may be an area which computers might help give us a more objective insight, although it seems likely that we have already programmed into them this same arrow of time... just some thoughts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Altering time is not possible. Time is a fixed measurement of one moment moving to another. Events can slow down or speed up, time can't. It's like watching a film, if you press fast forward you are not making time go faster you are making events go faster. It's the same when people say that time alters when you go faster than the speed of light, it doesn't, the speed with which events occur alters. Time travel is not possible on Earth, ever, if it was we would know about it already because someone from the future would have already have done it."

Time isn't a fixed measurement except from the perspective of the observer.

Two observers in different situations will have different absolute times.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

This shit still going on?

lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I disagree, our memories are not 100% reliable, so we fill in the blanks, yet we still have déjà vu moments with the same feelings, the same reality, and even though you know you've been there and done it before, things play out exactly the same as they did before, I am of the opinion that this is authentic time travel. No different to when you get a really vivid image of being someone else in a different time and place and everything feels real

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The actual memory is still there though, that's how come you can recall it. The reason why it's changed is because of how you feel at the present time of recalling. It's not a faulty memory as such, but more how you feel about the event can change.

And yes been busy with family stuff so this topic is still going on...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh one cool thing have you ever had a dream whet eyou saw someone's face who you've not seen be of then later that day met them for the first time and been like "omg I dreamt about you!!!"

It's actually your brain fills in the gap in the dream retrospectively, the dream had no face till you met the person but because your brain corrects it after the event from your perspective you saw the face before you met the person when you didn't.

Brains are so ducking cool

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Our memories are far from reliable

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27290883

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This shit still going on?

lol"

Brandy Joe, that's the answer

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"This shit still going on?

lol

Brandy Joe, that's the answer "

I'm not a brandy drinker - pour me a White Russian and we'll talk dark matter

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over a year ago

"This shit still going on?

lol

Brandy Joe, that's the answer

I'm not a brandy drinker - pour me a White Russian and we'll talk dark matter "

I once had a white Russian throat at my head in a club in Manchester.

Managed to duck it and it smashed the telly the ps2 (oh god I'm old) was hooked up to lol

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over a year ago

Thrown

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"This shit still going on?

lol

Brandy Joe, that's the answer

I'm not a brandy drinker - pour me a White Russian and we'll talk dark matter

I once had a white Russian throat at my head in a club in Manchester.

Managed to duck it and it smashed the telly the ps2 (oh god I'm old) was hooked up to lol"

What a waste of a perfectly good cocktail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This shit still going on?

lol

Brandy Joe, that's the answer

I'm not a brandy drinker - pour me a White Russian and we'll talk dark matter

I once had a white Russian throat at my head in a club in Manchester.

Managed to duck it and it smashed the telly the ps2 (oh god I'm old) was hooked up to lol

What a waste of a perfectly good cocktail. "

Exactly the follow up punch worked much better could have just downed the drink first and saved us all the hassle of not having a TV anymore

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh one cool thing have you ever had a dream whet eyou saw someone's face who you've not seen be of then later that day met them for the first time and been like "omg I dreamt about you!!!"

Brains are so ducking cool"

Conjecture is called conjecture for a reason... it's conjecture because it isn't fact. Just trying to help you tell the difference

Of course, in actuality, this phenomenon is caused by the fact that time doesn't exist for the mind and that it is entirely possible to dream about events which have not yet happened, but for materialists who are consumed with the need for scientific reality to match their preconceptions of it there needs to be some wild conjecture as to what "really" happened so that they can dismiss it and live in their nice little comfortable ordinary bubble and whatever wild conjecture comes along which does that for them is willing accepted as being what "actually" happened... when it wasn't that way at all... or at least that's my conjecture

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

I love that this thread keeps running and changing but still had the Iriginal premise running through it lol. Never thought it would get so many responses when I wrote it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If time travel back in time is not possible... how come I just remembered where I put my jumper? lol

But seriously... I did just "replay" it in my mind. So isn't that a form of time travel. They say that when events are gone they're just gone... but what if we could record a conscious awareness of events and then plug us into that awareness and relive them again. I mean... if I could be hypnotised into really believing I was 6 again and showing my willy to my nextdoor neighbors daughter in return for her showing me her fanny... how isn't that time travel? I guess, to answer my own question, it isn't because you can't change anything. But then maybe that's the real deal with time travel... you can travel back in time... but you can't change anything... you can only relive it.

Just some day dreamy thoughts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can travel through time. I will now travel to New Year's Eve 2015

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God work is slow today!!"
it is the titanic sank because of that ice cube no getting around it

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

But how do we know we Know that time travel won't be invented in the future and people are travelling back right now??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't change the past fact!!!!! Don't go messing!!! X

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Jesus Harold Christ on a rubber cross...

How many times do I have to say:

It is NOT PERMITTED by the laws of physics for time travel to occur BEFORE the invention of said time machine.

In all time travel theories allowed by real science, there is no way a traveler can go back in time to before the time machine was built.

I am confident time travel into the future is possible, but we would need to develop some very advanced technology to do it.

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

There was research conducted in Australia last year who studied photons to simulate quantum particles travelling back through time. Granted not exactly close to cracking it but I'd quantum particles could go back who says other things far in the future couldn't?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"There was research conducted in Australia last year who studied photons to simulate quantum particles travelling back through time. Granted not exactly close to cracking it but I'd quantum particles could go back who says other things far in the future couldn't? "

I think you're comparing apples and oranges.

Forward time travel is *theoretically* possible (although the sum total of energy needed is quite spectacular. But for 'practical' purposes, no you can.t

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

Who knows what the future holds?? No-one can know it all and who knows if something would or could make it possible?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jesus Harold Christ on a rubber cross...

How many times do I have to say:

It is NOT PERMITTED by the laws of physics for time travel to occur BEFORE the invention of said time machine.

In all time travel theories allowed by real science, there is no way a traveler can go back in time to before the time machine was built.

I am confident time travel into the future is possible, but we would need to develop some very advanced technology to do it."

What if the machine can just project particles into anywhere in time without and endgate (bit like a cannon or something)? Don't see why that's not possible.

There's also the possibility that something already exists out there naturally and we haven't discovered it yet.

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

They are both very good points

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

God work is slow today!!"

If you did time travel into the past to change some think before you were born it means you would never go because the event you want to change is already change before you were born there fore the event you wish to change never happened in the first place because you already changed it before you were born .

Oh shit I've given myself a headache now .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are both very good points

Thanks.

I think too much about pointless crap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God work is slow today!!

Oh shit I've given myself a headache now .

I don't believe in the time travel paradoxes myself. Just the fact that you are able to travel beyond your existence in time makes them irrelavent. You have to look outside of linear time and not within it.

So say you stopped your parents from meeting, so what that just means you stop your parents from having you in that time line, but you already exist before that time now anyway.

Headache getting better?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Weathers a bit grim Thursday week and don't forget to put your slippers on, as you'll stand on a dog toy when you get out of bed.

Who said time travel would just result in frivolous jaunts?

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

God work is slow today!!

Oh shit I've given myself a headache now .

So say you stopped your parents from meeting, so what that just means you stop your parents from having you in that time line, but you already exist before that time now anyway.

Headache getting better?

No because of cause and causality .... "Causality (also referred to as 'causation', or 'cause and effect') is the relation between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the first event is understood to be responsible for the second."

This rule can not be broken every act no matter how small has a effect its a mind bender it does not mean time travel doesn't exist or isn't possible it just explains any we will never see the effects of a time traveler and any time traveler who travels in time is trapped in his own cause and causality loop that cancels out his need to travel so he never travels .

The only way around this is if a time traveler is out of our time vibrating at a difference frequency to us there fore able to see and experience the world around them but unable to interact with it ....think like a ghost

Oh dear headaches greeting worse now .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God work is slow today!!

Oh shit I've given myself a headache now .

So say you stopped your parents from meeting, so what that just means you stop your parents from having you in that time line, but you already exist before that time now anyway.

Headache getting better?

Oh dear headaches greeting worse now ."

No rules have been broken. You travel to before you were even born, this in itself means you exist in a time where you didn't exist previously. You don't need to be created any time else now.

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By *od ThrusterMan
over a year ago

Newport Pagnell

If time travel were possible in the future wouldn't that mean time travellers would be among us now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If time travel were possible in the future wouldn't that mean time travellers would be among us now?"

How do you know they're not already?

Would you believe them if they told you they were?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Jesus Harold Christ on a rubber cross...

How many times do I have to say:

It is NOT PERMITTED by the laws of physics for time travel to occur BEFORE the invention of said time machine.

In all time travel theories allowed by real science, there is no way a traveler can go back in time to before the time machine was built.

I am confident time travel into the future is possible, but we would need to develop some very advanced technology to do it.

What if the machine can just project particles into anywhere in time without and endgate (bit like a cannon or something)? Don't see why that's not possible.

There's also the possibility that something already exists out there naturally and we haven't discovered it yet."

Sorry for being so brusque. I was in a shitty mood but now I've had a shag and feel much better.

You are, of course, right.

That exists that we don't know of its existance yet is perfectly possible. But ya can't play fast n' loose with the laws of physics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jesus Harold Christ on a rubber cross...

How many times do I have to say:

It is NOT PERMITTED by the laws of physics for time travel to occur BEFORE the invention of said time machine.

In all time travel theories allowed by real science, there is no way a traveler can go back in time to before the time machine was built.

I am confident time travel into the future is possible, but we would need to develop some very advanced technology to do it.

What if the machine can just project particles into anywhere in time without and endgate (bit like a cannon or something)? Don't see why that's not possible.

There's also the possibility that something already exists out there naturally and we haven't discovered it yet.

Sorry for being so brusque. I was in a shitty mood but now I've had a shag and feel much better.

You are, of course, right.

That exists that we don't know of its existance yet is perfectly possible. But ya can't play fast n' loose with the laws of physics."

I didn't think you was in a shitty mood, but glad you've had a shag anyway.

I don't think we fully understand the laws of physics yet so i'm keeping my mind open for that reason.

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

God work is slow today!!

Oh shit I've given myself a headache now .

So say you stopped your parents from meeting, so what that just means you stop your parents from having you in that time line, but you already exist before that time now anyway.

Headache getting better?

Oh dear headaches greeting worse now .

No rules have been broken. You travel to before you were even born, this in itself means you exist in a time where you didn't exist previously. You don't need to be created any time else now."

Yes but anything you do in that time will effect your future there fore changing the time you came from .there fore all existence all creation every thing this effect explains why we never fill or see the effects of time travel . as everything is rewritten continuously in our time line and as we only know our own time line we can not feel or see the effects of time travel because to us it never happened because we only know the existence we are traveling through at any given moment in time .

if that existence was change by a time traveler we wouldn't know about it because everything every moment of our existence would change and we would never know there was another existence before the one we know now at the moment of change .in other words the moment of change would happen at every moment we have every existed simultaneously meaning we would only know of one resistance the one we exist in .

Oh dear my mind is getting a work out here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love a easy going discussion of an afternoon

Shall we discuss time dilation from 50% of the speed of light onwards next?

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over a year ago

Simply put I do believe time travel is possible.

We know spacial relativity says time speeds up and slows down depending on how fast you're moving relative to something else. At the speed of light you would age slower.

We also know through general relativity that gravity can bend time.

Mark point A and point B on the end of a ruler. They are 30cm apart, bend the ruler and they become closer.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I don't think we fully understand the laws of physics yet so i'm keeping my mind open for that reason."

I think it was Brian Cox who said 'it's like looking at a slug and trying to figure out the whole evolution" or something.

Our viewpoint is very limited.

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"Simply put I do believe time travel is possible.

We know spacial relativity says time speeds up and slows down depending on how fast you're moving relative to something else. At the speed of light you would age slower.

We also know through general relativity that gravity can bend time.

Mark point A and point B on the end of a ruler. They are 30cm apart, bend the ruler and they become closer.

I was just debating why we in my opinion would never see the effects of a time traveler as he or she traveled through time .

After all one of the arguments for why time travel doesn't exist is why have we not seen a time traveler yet.

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over a year ago

"Yes but anything you do in that time will effect your future there fore changing the time you came from .there fore all existence all creation every thing this effect explains why we never fill or see the effects of time travel . as everything is rewritten continuously in our time line and as we only know our own time line we can not feel or see the effects of time travel because to us it never happened because we only know the existence we are traveling through at any given moment in time .

Oh dear my mind is getting a work out here

Haha only work out i've had for a while...

Your future is always ahead of you, no matter where you are or what time you are. So by travelling to a time before you existed your future is also now before you existed. "we only know the existence we are traveling through at any given moment in time" You even said this yourself, but the time traveller is you so you cannot make yourself unexist because here you are already and outside of your time.

I think people think they'd have to be created in another timeline, but you know you already were, you know the reality of both times you've existed in and your existence in them.

Here's the problem that i don't know the answer to: would the people of your previous timeline know you existed if you stopped yourself from being created? What would be the repercussions if you went back to that time after making yourself obsolete there?

Idk.

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over a year ago

It's probable that by making yourself obsolete by going back to the past that you cannot go back to a future where you don't exist. That you created another timeline that exists outside of your old one?

And like i said before how do you know time travellers haven't been here already? Would you believe anyone who said they'd come here from another time?

You're only restricted by your own beliefs.

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over a year ago

"I don't think we fully understand the laws of physics yet so i'm keeping my mind open for that reason.

I think it was Brian Cox who said 'it's like looking at a slug and trying to figure out the whole evolution" or something.

Our viewpoint is very limited. "

I love thinking about this stuff. But yeah we don't know that much, that's why i believe if we can think something then it's possible. We gotta have an imagination for some reason...

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

Oh dear my mind is getting a work out here

Haha only work out i've had for a while...

I think people think they'd have to be created in another timeline, but you know you already were, you know the reality of both times you've existed in and your existence in them.

Idk.

Surely if you did try to erase your own existence the time line you existed in the you trying to do that would become trapped in a cause and causality lope

You decide to erase yourself you go back at the minute you do the thing to erase yourself you are catapulted forward to the moment you decided to do it trapped for ever trying to erase yourself .

My guess it that would be the out come because god the universe what ever would not allow it because you would be destroying not only your existence but all existence because of the cause and causality effect,

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over a year ago

Oh dear my mind is getting a work out here

Haha only work out i've had for a while...

I think people think they'd have to be created in another timeline, but you know you already were, you know the reality of both times you've existed in and your existence in them.

Idk.

Surely if you did try to erase your own existence the time line you existed in the you trying to do that would become trapped in a cause and causality lope

You decide to erase yourself you go back at the minute you do the thing to erase yourself you are catapulted forward to the moment you decided to do it trapped for ever trying to erase yourself .

Not sure really. I kind of think people in the timeline you came from, who know you, would notice you'd gone, and another timeline is created for the time that you don't exist in. I think it's plausible you can go back to your original timeline again so long as there's more than one timeline to exist/not exist in.

Initially had the idea that it makes sense that you'd actually have to wipe out your future existence to be able to exist in another time, not so sure that makes sense now and thinking maybe parallel universes is the way to go (at least i understand them more now lol). The more i think about it the more confusing it gets.

And i'm also wondering is it possible for timelines to overlap? Like could you meet your future self or not if you hadn't made yourself obsolete and existed in both timelines?

What do you mean by cause and causality? You already exist outside your original timeline, anything that affects that timeline shouldn't affect you i think?

Might have to start googling stuff here.

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

Oh dear my mind is getting a work out here

Haha only work out i've had for a while...

I think people think they'd have to be created in another timeline, but you know you already were, you know the reality of both times you've existed in and your existence in them.

Idk.

Surely if you did try to erase your own existence the time line you existed in the you trying to do that would become trapped in a cause and causality lope

You decide to erase yourself you go back at the minute you do the thing to erase yourself you are catapulted forward to the moment you decided to do it trapped for ever trying to erase yourself .

And i'm also wondering is it possible for timelines to overlap? Like could you meet your future self or not if you hadn't made yourself obsolete and existed in both timelines?

What do you mean by cause and causality? You already exist outside your original timeline, anything that affects that timeline shouldn't affect you i think?

Might have to start googling stuff here."

I think cause and causality would kick in because your trying to erase yourself effect yourself even if your existed in your own new time line or out of time the effect must kick in .

As for meeting other yous there not you there just different versions of you with all your memories up to the point in time you met them .

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By *wfirsttimersCouple
over a year ago

kendal

Great thread. Read it all whilst bored at work. There's some right brainy gits on this site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think cause and causality would kick in because your trying to erase yourself effect yourself even if your existed in your own new time line or out of time the effect must kick in .

As for meeting other yous there not you there just different versions of you with all your memories up to the point in time you met them ."

I had a read about retro-killing, not sure i agree with that either. So gonna stick with there has to be more than one timeline for anything to be possible.

I get what you mean by other yous, i've discussed whether a clone would be you or not. I think i don't fully understand the concept of time to know whether time lines could overlap or not.

Wish i hadn't googled now, got loads more going on in my head and my brain is fried, it just started trying to imagine what time travel would feel like, sound like, and look like...blame the photons/tachyons stuff coz it caused my mind to wander.

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By *sianmale89Man
over a year ago

Stockport

watch donnie darko and hear the theories on time travel and let it mess with you're head a little then get back to me on this subject....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a quantum theory of gravity is reached that could potentially provide answers regarding time travel.

Science is evolving at ridiculous rates, I'd love to know what will be happening 100 years from now.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

It seems to me that any meaningful type of time travel is probably going to be impossible. I conclude this because of two possible paradoxes.

The first paradox is the time paradox. In this paradox you go back in time to change something but once you've changed it there is no longer any reason for you to back in time so you don't, in which case the reason then exists again for you to go back in time (in it's more simple form this is the same paradox as going back in time to kill yourself).

The only way you can get around this time paradox is by some sort multi time line theory, where new time lines are formed. With the multi time lines approach there are two possible alternatives. One: The old time line carries on as it was and the new time line exists parallel to it. Two: The old time line ceases to exists and the only reality is the new time line.

Both these time line theories run into similar but different physical paradoxes.

If the two time lines exist in parallel where did all the extra matter and energy come from to suddenly materialise a whole new, fully formed universe. The conservation of matter and energy says that's just not possible.

If the old time line ceases to exist then where has it gone. Where has all it's energy and matter gone. This also reinforces the time paradox in that, if the old time line no longer exists and never will exist where have you come from because the you that came back in time will never now exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Currently reading physics of the impossible by Michio Kaku and the chapter on time travel is pretty interesting..

As the astronauts on the space station are travelling at 18,000 mph above the earth,their clocks beat a tiny bit slower than those on earth.

Hence,after a year long mission on the space station,they have actually journeyed a fraction of a second into the future by the time they land back on earth!

The world record for travelling into the future is currently held by Russian cosmonaut Sergei Avdeyev,who orbited for 748 days and so was hurled .02 seconds into the future!

As has been said above,a time machine that could take us into the future is consistent with Einsteins special theory of relativity.

Travelling back in time however,is a different thing altogether.....could be possible if you were sucked into a black hole but then you could never come back!

Anyway that's as much of the book that I've read so far so no doubt there's lots of other theories about that I've yet to read.

Interesting topic n a great book for anyone interested in stuff like this....

Highly recommend it

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I don't think we fully understand the laws of physics yet so i'm keeping my mind open for that reason.

I think it was Brian Cox who said 'it's like looking at a slug and trying to figure out the whole evolution" or something.

Our viewpoint is very limited.

I love thinking about this stuff. But yeah we don't know that much, that's why i believe if we can think something then it's possible. We gotta have an imagination for some reason..."

Less to do with imagination and more to do with observation, methinks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would like to time travel back to the moment _iamondjoe realised his willy can be used for more than just weeing - the eureka moment!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"i would like to time travel back to the moment _iamondjoe realised his willy can be used for more than just weeing - the eureka moment!"

Oh LOOL

I'm not going to dignify the predatory pedophiles with an answer to that

BUT

As any fule kno, it's not possible to travel to a point in time that occurred *before* the creation of the time machine itself.

So unless one's already been invented, it can't happen.

Simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An interesting and slightly related question on a ship that travels near light speed would you have to have all the lights on board red.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reminds me of that Red Dwarf episode where they go to a backwards world and Lister goes off to do, or rather receive, a shit lol

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That's a great episode is that the one where they go to Nodnol

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I'm going to write this post yesterday and I actually wrote my previous post tomorrow!!

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

"funnily enough i've been organising a seminar for time travel enthusiasts ..... if anyone is interested in comming then please meet here last wednesday

Shit its early clothing day in tooting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been away a week and just re-read this. Amazing what a change of perspective does. Boy, there are some really boring know-it-alls on here. I now understand why some people complain on threads like this about twerps trying to impress people by how intelligent they are simply because they've read a few wikipedia pages and listen to radio 4. No wonder I was getting riled up. I guess I've had a bee in my bonnet these last few months to try policing the "you can't say that it's unscientific" police... seeing as what they say so often exhibits an overly simplistic GCSE understanding of science. But now I can see they look like plonkers all by themselves.

As for the notion that a time machine can't travel back beyond the time of its manufacture. Whilst I am sure that some dullard like Brian (I used to be in a pop band but now I'm paid to be a pretty faced science pundit who pretends to be as clever as Stephen Hawking but with an even more annoying voice) Cox has claimed such a thing... it doesn't take a wild leap of the imagination to realise that the problem reolves around the need to transport the machine itself through time. If we translated the argument to machines that travel through space, for example, it would state that we couldn't move forward without hurtling out of the windscreen and we couldn't reverse without getting sucked out of the back window. Clearly, a time machine needs to actually travel through time, just as a car travels through space... not transporting us... but transporting itself with us in it. If the reply to this is "show me the science that makes this work" then you've failed to grasp the point that the entire thing is hypothetical science fiction which may or may not be possible, depending upon future scientific discoveries of which we are presently completely in the dark about.

I think I'll leave the "look at me I'm clever, I know how to search wikipedia" people to stew in their own boringness from now on. (I feel liberated rather than annoyed... just thought the rest of you would enjoy the rant) Over and out

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Been away a week and just re-read this. Amazing what a change of perspective does. Boy, there are some really boring know-it-alls on here. I now understand why some people complain on threads like this about twerps trying to impress people by how intelligent they are simply because they've read a few wikipedia pages and listen to radio 4. No wonder I was getting riled up. I guess I've had a bee in my bonnet these last few months to try policing the "you can't say that it's unscientific" police... seeing as what they say so often exhibits an overly simplistic GCSE understanding of science. But now I can see they look like plonkers all by themselves.

I've missed you

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

I was starting to worry that there wasn't a real rant on my thread so glad to see its appeared.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time-Travel is so last year....

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By *hattyman80 OP Man
over a year ago

stockport

"Time-Travel is so last year....

No we discussed this earlier in the thread ... Time travel was so last year, tomorrow to be looked at in the middle of next Wednesday after the previous February

Just to be clear

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I didn't understand what you said before you said it and I still don't understand it now. Maybe I'll understand it better last year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can travel through time. I will now travel to New Year's Eve 2015"

Told you I could travel through time. Here we are on New Year's Eve 2015

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I can travel through time. I will now travel to New Year's Eve 2015

Told you I could travel through time. Here we are on New Year's Eve 2015

This would be more impressive if you could have travelled back to New Years 2014 and for your posting time to have said 'over a year ago'.

As it is I suspect you've cheated and simply remembered to post your post on this thread on New Years 2015. If you can prove me wrong I'll stand corrected.

(or am I talking this all a little too seriously?)

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

What's this strange story about a ship called Titanic hitting an iceberg and sinking? Also thank God the lucitània wasn't hit by uboats.... Heil Hitler III

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can travel through time. I will now travel to New Year's Eve 2015

Told you I could travel through time. Here we are on New Year's Eve 2015

This would be more impressive if you could have travelled back to New Years 2014 and for your posting time to have said 'over a year ago'.

As it is I suspect you've cheated and simply remembered to post your post on this thread on New Years 2015. If you can prove me wrong I'll stand corrected.

(or am I talking this all a little too seriously?)

Er! I think you're taking it way too seriously.

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

Just a question:

If we travel back in time, how are we going to return to the future because the time machine doesn't exist back then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hate the winter, think I will travel through time to the summertime, June 15th 2016 will do.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

I have just got scientist Sean Carroll's book From Eternity To Here. I wish I could travel forward to when I've read it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just got scientist Sean Carroll's book From Eternity To Here. I wish I could travel forward to when I've read it.

Ah but then you would have never been there to read it. You're stuck in a quantum loop now son!

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

"I have just got scientist Sean Carroll's book From Eternity To Here. I wish I could travel forward to when I've read it.

Ah but then you would have never been there to read it. You're stuck in a quantum loop now son!"

Unless some BBWs get together to form a black hole

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over a year ago

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By *mojeeCouple
over a year ago

Dunfermline

The theory is simple....if it was possible in the future then there would have been evidence of it and it would have been documented

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