FabSwingers.com forum: Mike Tyson true stories

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Wow what a guy what a life.

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

He is let's say an unusual guy. I get the opinion he has been manipulated by many people throughout his life though. Is he a sinner? i don't know. I don't really think he is a saint but he isn't the cleverest spoon in the draw.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Very true had a very hard start in life and hard to trust people would make a great movie. He is up there with the worlds best fighters. His and brunos fight was legend.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Puts Audley Harrison to shame

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"Puts Audley Harrison to shame"

Yep but Audley will be the genie in the lamp in next years panto, Mike wont

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

And whats frank bruno going to be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

shaz ....ye should speak to des***re victim of his

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the c**t was sentenced to 9 years for rape...end this post please

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

End of thread. Will keep my opinions to myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the c**t was sentenced to 9 years for rape...end this post please "

And he served his time out so why end this post?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so as not to glorify a rapist ....have u a problem with that ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so as not to glorify a rapist ....have u a problem with that ??"

Has he not served his time? do you think it is correct to castigate someone to the grave?

The thread is not glorifying anyone it is passing comment on someone who has had a troubled life. Yes he was convicted but after the jurors sat for 10 hours and only by a slim majority. The woman who accused him had a history of similar accusations on other men as well.

So do you have a problem in someone saying that the man has served his time for something he was convicted for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

really dont and will not get involved in slanging about such a sensitive issue ..............the court decided and that was it.......guilty....... please do not respond as some members might find this topic upsetting...PLEASE CAN A MOD CLOSE THIS ..thank you

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By *ertnbeckyCouple
over a year ago

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"so as not to glorify a rapist ....have u a problem with that ??

Has he not served his time? do you think it is correct to castigate someone to the grave?

So do you have a problem in someone saying that the man has served his time for something he was convicted for?

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he may have served his time but he should not be glorified anywhere he is a scumbag rapist at the end of the day

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

Can we not discuss his boxing career?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you cant have any post you disagree with closed, just because it is about a person who has done something that offends you.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a woman and mother of daughter's not for one nano second would I defend a rapist. However I remember at the time, I and my friends not being convinced of his guilt.

He was, and is not, the sharpest tool in the box and has been manipulated by others namely his ex-wife Robyn and her mother.

I recognise this is an emotive subject and some male posters will see it as defending women a la Sir Galahad, but people should be allowed to express an opinion. Disagree as you wish, but if everyone expressed distaste for post, the forums would close as I'm offended by something I read on the forums every day.

It's not hard keeping things in perspective: my opinion of course!

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By *ung and readyMan
over a year ago

newcastle under lyme

mike tyson was paid to do a job.

he did that job.

he may have done wrongs in his life.

are we to judge after a judge has served a sentence to him.

yet again in this life you only have to shag one goat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a huge amount of respect for what Mike Tyson has achieved in his life and the incredible challenges he overcame to become one of the iconic figures of the 20th Century. He is one of the few sportsmen who's aura transcended his sport.

He has lived a life of amazing highs and tragic lows.

I don't accept that he is some dumb boxer with no intelligence, you only have to listen to him in conversation to realise he's actually quite sharp in many respects. I'm not in the camp of making excuses for him based on his intelligence.

If I had the chance to meet him I'd jump at it. If I had the chance to have a drink with him, even better. If I had the opportunity to be his friend I'd decline it, why? because I don't like him, I don't like some of his values, I don't like many of the distasteful things he has done, I am disgusted by certain aspects of his personality.

An incredible guy, an amazing life, a great story, I commend the mods for not closing this thread, we should be able to discuss this type of topic in a balanced way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I have a huge amount of respect for what Mike Tyson has achieved in his life and the incredible challenges he overcame to become one of the iconic figures of the 20th Century. He is one of the few sportsmen who's aura transcended his sport.

He has lived a life of amazing highs and tragic lows.

An incredible guy, an amazing life, a great story, I commend the mods for not closing this thread, we should be able to discuss this type of topic in a balanced way. "

*Nods in agreement*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was a talented man in the ring but a fool out of it. He wasn't the most intelligent man and the millions he won was manipulated out of him but others. As a boxer he was class and that's what i look at in 2010

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

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"the c**t was sentenced to 9 years for rape...end this post please "

since mr tyson served his sentance there have been what you might call developements

there have been many many footballers and celebraties that have been accused of rape , in almost ALL instances it has been proved to be false allegations made by some "bimbo" that was out to get either celebrity status or compensation

if mike tysons rape case was to materiallise today i doubt it would end in a conviction , and it would prabably end up being shown to be false

he remains a person i have a high respect for and hold in high esteem

and i believe him when he says he was falsely accused

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By *HAGADELICCouple
over a year ago

south london

A true Mike Tyson story....

This from a few years ago when he was at his peak.

He was invited to a party in New York by the ( now dead) artist Andy Warhol.

Warhol liked to invite a wide mix of famous people mixing sportsmen with artists, businessmen, academics, musicians actors and so on.

One of the other guest was the model Naomi Campbell.

Tyson was pestering her, she did not like it.

A third guest saw this happening.

This man was Professor Sir Alfred Ayer.

Ayer was then 96 years old and dressed, looked and sounded, like someone straight from Britain in the 1930s.

Ayer marched over to Tyson and Campbell.

He said " excuse me intruding miss, but is this man bothering you?"

And then to Tyson he said:

"sir, a gentleman should respect a lady's wishes and if this lady does not want your attentions I would ask you to leave her alone"

Tyson glares down at Ayer who is 5ft 4 and about 9 stone and, as we said, 96.

" I'm the heavyweight champion of the world... Who the fuck are YOU?"

Ayer glares straight back into Tyson's eyes and replies...

" I am Professor Sir Alfred Ayer, regarded as world's greatest living philosopher WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?"

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By *HAGADELICCouple
over a year ago

south london

oh yes.... Tyson leaves the party.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thank you for all the comments and grea to read I also dont think he was guilty just very naive he started boxing as away of getting at the bullies and make a better life for himself the way he talked about his manager someone who actually believed in him bought tears to my eyes. He was a grea fighter who had, had a tough life. And after sleeping on it I will not be bullied into closing a thread.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Good, because there was absolutely no reason for the thread to be closed. Total over reaction from another member.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I love my boxing I can sit and watch the greats for hours and mike tyson is up there with the best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you do not like a thread its probably best not to comment on it, and I am in no way defending the crime he perpetrated, he was found guilty and served his time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Tyson was a fantastic, if somewhat reactionary, boxer who unfortunately fell victim to Don King, his ex wife, her mother and also to the alleged rape victim Desiree Washington.

I say alleged because since the trial and conviction new evidence has come to light.

Such as a female relative of Washingtons who was frightened to give testimony in Tysons favour in the naive belief that it would cost her recently acquired beauty contest crown.

Also 3 eye witnesses who weren't permitted to take the stand.

She went back,at around 2AM, to the hotel room of a notorious lothario early in the morning and had sex with him.

Then when he asked his body guard to take her down to a taxi, instead of doing it himself, she cut up rough and saw an easy way to get a fortune.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, especially a gold digger!

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"really dont and will not get involved in slanging about such a sensitive issue ..............the court decided and that was it.......guilty....... please do not respond as some members might find this topic upsetting...PLEASE CAN A MOD CLOSE THIS ..thank you"
yes its a sensitive issue , lots of things are....can i just point out that there are cases where ladies have actually lied about being raped and totally ruined a guys life....grow up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"really dont and will not get involved in slanging about such a sensitive issue ..............the court decided and that was it.......guilty....... please do not respond as some members might find this topic upsetting...PLEASE CAN A MOD CLOSE THIS ..thank youyes its a sensitive issue , lots of things are....can i just point out that there are cases where ladies have actually lied about being raped and totally ruined a guys life....grow up

there was a case in the press the other day about a young woman who lied about beeing raped, she got 12 months.

i know rape is a horrible thing, but up till now the man has always been guilty till proved inocent, and i know a guy who was victim of this, it ruined his life, and in the end it turned out she cried rape because she thought her friends might think her a "slapper"

this has been going on for a long time and finaly the men accused are getting a say.

like i said i dont condone rape, bt it has been a get out clause for some women for a long time.

men arent always guilty and should be treated thus......

except when my good lady says ive done something wrong then im always guilty

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

Well if he did or did not do things he paid for it anyway. I would rather comment on the guys ability in the ring and to some extent on how he was managed or mismanaged.

He was a slugger but also an accomplished boxer too. Is he the best there has been? Well i would thing he would have a 50/50 chance against anyone even Ali. I have a sneaky suspicion he would have battered Ali with his strength too. Just a shame he has been unable to have a happy private life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the words flawed spring to mind, he was without equal when on form in the ring, but let his out side life get to him, such a shame so many sports men and women fall due to lack of good friends and management

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i will also say i was lucky enough to see his come back fight with bruno, their second fight, in vagas.

when tyson came into the ring, i was frightened of him and i was 20 rows back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well if he did or did not do things he paid for it anyway. I would rather comment on the guys ability in the ring and to some extent on how he was managed or mismanaged.

Check out Jack Dempsey against Luis Firpo if you want to see brutality in the ring. It's probably on youtube. It shows Dempsey at his peak, against another feared slugger of the day. Tyson modeled his style on Dempsey, but I reckon Jack would have beaten him, had he been the same size physically. Back then, in the depression there were desperate men fighting for more than prizemoney

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By *stwoCouple
over a year ago

anywhere

also dont u think the rape case was a set up by desiree who made a lot of money from it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well if he did or did not do things he paid for it anyway. I would rather comment on the guys ability in the ring and to some extent on how he was managed or mismanaged.

But dont you think that many boxers not just tyson have a very unhappy/unsettled private life what with frank bruno and the years of depression same as chris eubank and many others having read many bios now going to be controversial I love boxing but should it be banned. Ali and all the other greats who suffered brain damage.

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"Well if he did or did not do things he paid for it anyway. I would rather comment on the guys ability in the ring and to some extent on how he was managed or mismanaged.

Dempsey was a class act but Tyson was something else. I had the privilege of watching him towards the end of his career and he was still imminence. The neck on the bloke was something else.

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"Well if he did or did not do things he paid for it anyway. I would rather comment on the guys ability in the ring and to some extent on how he was managed or mismanaged.

Many go into boxing as a form of escapism from life. I boxed in the marines and some of the other fighters were real nut jobs. Your probably right about all those punches affecting you too. I don't think it should be banned though. People still need choices of what they do or that's the way i see it.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Well if he did or did not do things he paid for it anyway. I would rather comment on the guys ability in the ring and to some extent on how he was managed or mismanaged.

To be honest I think both Bruno and Tyson had 'problems' long before either of them took a punch.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes but the fighting and all the blows to the heads could'nt of helped matters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes but the fighting and all the blows to the heads could'nt of helped matters."

true it cant be good for you, heres a true story, i spent some time in my younger years in a place for naughty boys, and boxing was something everyone had to do.

i was great at sparing and on the bags etc so they put me in a match, FUCK ME IT HURT.........

didnt do it again

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Just a reminder as Ive had to remove a post that people are allowed to have an opinion on here

Posting abuse to members that don't have the same opinion as you is unacceptable and will mean you won't be able to post again

Debate like adults please

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

can I also add to the mike tyson debate a bit....

that he was two different people... the person that he was before he went to jail and found "god"...

and the person that he was after.....

would it be fair to say he was taken advantage of...

by don king...

by all the hangers on, agents and accountants....

by "certain" women....

absolutely!!! they all bled the cash cow dry..

when he came out... he had to start again.. he was a lot more reflective,

he is a completely different person now... and he has grown as an individualy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a reminder as Ive had to remove a post that people are allowed to have an opinion on here

Posting abuse to members that don't have the same opinion as you is unacceptable and will mean you won't be able to post again

Debate like adults please

well the member who cries rape and stop the posts is clearly unable to see through the good old american judgement system , we believe mike tyson was innocent and it was a set up ...we also believe that o j simpson was guilty of murder..the whole world knew and he was found not guilty,

micheal jackson was not convicted by an american court as he payed a young boy 30 million dollars for no apparent reason not to testify against him in court.

we wont be allowed to debate moonwalking or touchdowns if our threads are at all linked to the american judicial system in any way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you cant have any post you disagree with closed, just because it is about a person who has done something that offends you.

Doesn't rape offend you?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"you cant have any post you disagree with closed, just because it is about a person who has done something that offends you.

Doesn't rape offend you?

Don't think that is fair to be honest, the thread isn't about the act of rape....it's about Tyson in general.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you cant have any post you disagree with closed, just because it is about a person who has done something that offends you.

Doesn't rape offend you?

Don't think that is fair to be honest, the thread isn't about the act of rape....it's about Tyson in general."

You cannot dissociate the man from his actions.

It'd be like a thread on Megrahi failing to mention his holiday in Greenock.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you cant have any post you disagree with closed, just because it is about a person who has done something that offends you.

Doesn't rape offend you?

Don't think that is fair to be honest, the thread isn't about the act of rape....it's about Tyson in general.

You cannot dissociate the man from his actions.

It'd be like a thread on Megrahi failing to mention his holiday in Greenock."

Nobody in this thread has tried to dissociate the man from his actions'. (I do accept some have questioned the validity of his guilt).

You seem to be attempting to turn this thread into a discussion about rape, it is not, it is about Mike Tyson.

You may want to concentrate on the disputed actions of an hour or so of this guys life and ignore the other 40 years, but others prefer not to.

If you want to debate rape I would be happy to do that in another thread, but you will probably find no debate as everyone would probably have the same stance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you cant have any post you disagree with closed, just because it is about a person who has done something that offends you.

Doesn't rape offend you?

Don't think that is fair to be honest, the thread isn't about the act of rape....it's about Tyson in general.

You cannot dissociate the man from his actions.

It'd be like a thread on Megrahi failing to mention his holiday in Greenock.

Nobody in this thread has tried to dissociate the man from his actions'. (I do accept some have questioned the validity of his guilt).

You seem to be attempting to turn this thread into a discussion about rape, it is not, it is about Mike Tyson.

You may want to concentrate on the disputed actions of an hour or so of this guys life and ignore the other 40 years, but others prefer not to.

If you want to debate rape I would be happy to do that in another thread, but you will probably find no debate as everyone would probably have the same stance.

That'd be Mike Tyson convicted rapist and ex-boxer.

Where do we draw the line? Supposing the "disputed actions of an hour" had brought about an undisputed conviction for child rape or child murder?

Do we ignore that and concentrate on his boxing and kitchen equipment?

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

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I heard Mike Tyson used to punch tigers in the face for practice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I heard Mike Tyson used to punch tigers in the face for practice."

the ones sat in front of the fire?

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

"I heard Mike Tyson used to punch tigers in the face for practice.

the ones sat in front of the fire?

LOL possibly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I heard Mike Tyson used to punch tigers in the face for practice."

In the hope he could render it unconscious and then try to ride it?

Ooops. A wee non-consensual reference just slipped in there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I heard Mike Tyson used to punch tigers in the face for practice."

in all fairness that may have been women.

Mike Tyson was a great boxer,of that there is no doubt,but he is also a convicted rapist. some people never get past that fact. you can't blame them.

if I hear the words 'michael jackson' or 'gary glitter' I don't instantly think of music

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That'd be Mike Tyson convicted rapist and ex-boxer.

Where do we draw the line? Supposing the "disputed actions of an hour" had brought about an undisputed conviction for child rape or child murder?

Do we ignore that and concentrate on his boxing and kitchen equipment?

That's exactly where your argument, in my opinion, is flawed. We DONT draw the line. Non of us on this forum are committing any crime by discussing and debating ANY topic as long as site rules are respected. Why do you want to draw the line?

You keep trying to play the emotive card and now you want us to jump into the 'realms of supposing' by upping the anti (child rape or child murder!......

Let me be clear, I am happy to discuss ANY subject matter. I'm not trying to censor you, and will resist any form of censorship by you.

In answer to your question I'm not asking you to ignore any part of the Tyson story.

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By *ertnbeckyCouple
over a year ago

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"I heard Mike Tyson used to punch tigers in the face for practice.

in all fairness that may have been women.

Mike Tyson was a great boxer,of that there is no doubt,but he is also a convicted rapist. some people never get past that fact. you can't blame them.

if I hear the words 'michael jackson' or 'gary glitter' I don't instantly think of music

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do you wanna be in my gang?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

cool... we can all play this game....

okay next time we all talk about X-Factor I would like one of the judges to be known as the following....

"beater of black women" Cheryl Cole......

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"cool... we can all play this game....

okay next time we all talk about X-Factor I would like one of the judges to be known as the following....

"beater of black women" Cheryl Cole......

Good point Fabio she was arrested for doing that as well. Odd isn't it she isn't castigated by the general public.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

removed it cos i jusr remembered it was..sorry

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

"cool... we can all play this game....

okay next time we all talk about X-Factor I would like one of the judges to be known as the following....

"beater of black women" Cheryl Cole......

Good point Fabio she was arrested for doing that as well. Odd isn't it she isn't castigated by the general public.

I'd happily castigate her, with a big stick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

actually cheryl ty was cleared of racially aggravated assault but found guilty of assault with abh. so can we just call her 'woman beater'?

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"actually cheryl ty was cleared of racially aggravated assault but found guilty of assault with abh. so can we just call her 'woman beater'?"

no one said it was a racial crime if you look back. Fab said black woman which she was. Now if he was going to be more specific he could have said fat black woman. Which she was also, now me stating this does not make me fattist just statesman a fact.

And how ever you butter it sweet as candy Cheryl still attacked someone. The media has a large part in how people are portrayed to the general public alas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Boxing history is littered with "bad boys", some of whom make Mike Tyson look like a chior boy.

Jake "Raging Bull" LaMotta probably the leading contender

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hmm i agree that she was guilty. what i'm not sure of is if the woman's colour was relevant to the post.

she wasn't guilty of a racial crime

therefore the woman's colour isn't relevant

neither is the colour of the accused in the case of a non-racial crime

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"hmm i agree that she was guilty. what i'm not sure of is if the woman's colour was relevant to the post.

she wasn't guilty of a racial crime

therefore the woman's colour isn't relevant

neither is the colour of the accused in the case of a non-racial crime

that is why I quoted it exactly the way i did.....

Factually I was correct..... the person who she assulted was black.... therefore she is technically "a beater of black women"......

I never at any point said it was racial..

so....Sounds really bad doesn't it..... see how everything can be twisted to make a statement....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well let's see. did i state that you were factually incorrect?although she only hit one woman and you used the word women. no. what i did state that the colour of her skin is irrelevant.

stan collymore beat up ulrika johnson in a paris bar in front of 100 witnesses.

is he a thug and a 'woman beater' or a beater of 'white women'

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"well let's see. did i state that you were factually incorrect?although she only hit one woman and you used the word women. no. what i did state that the colour of her skin is irrelevant.

stan collymore beat up ulrika johnson in a paris bar in front of 100 witnesses.

is he a thug and a 'woman beater' or a beater of 'white women'"

call him whatever you like..... up to you.... "Factually" you would be correct, so do your worst....

in fact for this exercise PLEASE do your worst... because it will also prove the other point I would make

so at what point does the labelling and "stigma" end time wise?

I mean the new "nation's Princess" got off very lightly for in effect "battering someone".....

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By *HAGADELICCouple
over a year ago

south london

what that nice Kate Middleton? Noooooo

Oh! Sorry.... carry on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Boxing history is littered with "bad boys", some of whom make Mike Tyson look like a chior boy.

Jake "Raging Bull" LaMotta probably the leading contender

Of course. That's what boxers do.

That makes it OK?

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