FabSwingers.com forum: £9/h Min wage?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

When I first heard this I though aye great,about time!

But what the state give with one hand they then take even more with the other......

If you're a young family or single parent you will no longer be entitled working tax credits!

As well as all the companies that can't/wont pay the higher rate but will worm around it by offering the new min wage but on part time/0 hour contracts!

This government sickens me it really does!

So who thinks it's a good/bad thing and why?

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Bad idea.

I cant afford to pay that to my staff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bad idea.

I cant afford to pay that to my staff"

Tricky, isn't it? It is so easy to express disgust at the government. And so difficult to come up with other financially credible policies.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Bad idea.

I cant afford to pay that to my staff

Tricky, isn't it? It is so easy to express disgust at the government. And so difficult to come up with other financially credible policies."

Try cutting taxes and rates.

I pay the council £500 a month just to have a business. I pay them £250 a qtr to take our waste away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bad idea.

I cant afford to pay that to my staff

Tricky, isn't it? It is so easy to express disgust at the government. And so difficult to come up with other financially credible policies.

Try cutting taxes and rates.

I pay the council £500 a month just to have a business. I pay them £250 a qtr to take our waste away.

It will just make it easier for people to do cash in hand work , whilst on benefits . Or encourage people to employ under 18 like mcdonalds etc

I am not worried about , neither is anyone I know. I intend to put my prices up,if I lose work because of this , I will sack someone .

A lot of the income in this country is from small businesses , and I sure as hell am not going to let my standard of living go down, because of this

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Bad idea.

I cant afford to pay that to my staff

Tricky, isn't it? It is so easy to express disgust at the government. And so difficult to come up with other financially credible policies.

Try cutting taxes and rates.

I pay the council £500 a month just to have a business. I pay them £250 a qtr to take our waste away.

It will just make it easier for people to do cash in hand work , whilst on benefits . Or encourage people to employ under 18 like mcdonalds etc

I am not worried about , neither is anyone I know. I intend to put my prices up,if I lose work because of this , I will sack someone .

A lot of the income in this country is from small businesses , and I sure as hell am not going to let my standard of living go down, because of this "

Cash went into the hands the minute vat went from 17.5% to 20%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Minimum wage catching up with my guys. I pay my drivers £10.50 an hour.

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By *hyllyphyllyMan
over a year ago

Bradford

One thing I'm worried about is prices will go up to help pay for this, but people on benefits will have their money frozen and can't afford to buy food etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bad idea.

I cant afford to pay that to my staff

Tricky, isn't it? It is so easy to express disgust at the government. And so difficult to come up with other financially credible policies.

Try cutting taxes and rates.

I pay the council £500 a month just to have a business. I pay them £250 a qtr to take our waste away.

We all want cuts.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"One thing I'm worried about is prices will go up to help pay for this, but people on benefits will have their money frozen and can't afford to buy food etc"

The supermarkets will invest in even more self service checkouts with just one member of staff to cover them all

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Bad idea.

I cant afford to pay that to my staff

Tricky, isn't it? It is so easy to express disgust at the government. And so difficult to come up with other financially credible policies.

Try cutting taxes and rates.

I pay the council £500 a month just to have a business. I pay them £250 a qtr to take our waste away.

It will just make it easier for people to do cash in hand work , whilst on benefits . Or encourage people to employ under 18 like mcdonalds etc

I am not worried about , neither is anyone I know. I intend to put my prices up,if I lose work because of this , I will sack someone .

A lot of the income in this country is from small businesses , and I sure as hell am not going to let my standard of living go down, because of this

Cash went into the hands the minute vat went from 17.5% to 20%"

Something else the Tories promised they wouldn't do, did, then blamed it on Clegg.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

£9.50 an hour

+ NI

+ Pension Contribution (if opted IN)

Better off being a one man band

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"£9.50 an hour

+ NI

+ Pension Contribution (if opted IN)

Better off being a one man band"

no one cared to look when this £9.50 an hour is getting introduced, lol check what year it gets implimented

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The supermarkets will invest in even more self service checkouts with just one member of staff to cover them all"

So you are not in favour of increasing the minimum wage?

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"£9.50 an hour

+ NI

+ Pension Contribution (if opted IN)

Better off being a one man band

no one cared to look when this £9.50 an hour is getting introduced, lol check what year it gets implimented"

2017 I think, that could be 2020, but even so, its a big jump

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just question the viability of it for some smaller employers?

I do think it is positive for many though. I have a friend who works in a large nursery chain, she has qualifications and yet they still pay minimum wage or very close to it. It just seems to me one job where it is not as well remunerated as it should be, but then I am sure many aren't.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

The supermarkets will invest in even more self service checkouts with just one member of staff to cover them all

So you are not in favour of increasing the minimum wage?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its all.political lies to stop you being as mad at them now

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

We already have food banks before it has even come in. I work on a PT contract, it's awful. When this comes into effect, they will cut the extra hours they try to top me up with to keep me happy and probably try to reduce the contract hours. They will have less available staff so those left behind will only be expected to do more. Its bad enough as it is, and standards of service suffer.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"£9.50 an hour

+ NI

+ Pension Contribution (if opted IN)

Better off being a one man band"

But then they couldn't claim to be a Captain of Industry (try though they might).

Nowadays every wean with a paper round describes them self as a 'businessman'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The £9 doesn't apply till 2020(I think) by which time they hope inflation will have taken a chunk of that away?.

As a whole for every pound they've given away they've taken £2 back, so in fact it's a tax raising budget, most of the tax raising measures are effective immediately while most of the tax giving measures are staged over 5 years.

So if you look at the main tax giveaways....

Business's with CT tax lowering(we had the lowest but lowered it further still)

Million pound inheritance tax abolished.

Even the personal allowance favoured higher wage earners

Ie people on 15k saw far less gains than people on 60k.

I don't employ anyone so I've got nothing to be bitter about in sacking anyone, although I do have a dog to kick but in reality the dog had as much do with anything as the employee did... Depends on how pathetic you want to be in kicking somebody else

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Think we should get rambo'd up,storm these bastard fat cat bankers offices n reclaim the wealth robin hood style!

whose with me?....I'll supply AKs,molotov cocktails and of course some war paint so we look the part!

Or failing that lets jail the fuckers like they did in Iceland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The supermarkets will invest in even more self service checkouts with just one member of staff to cover them all

So you are not in favour of increasing the minimum wage?

No"

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

The supermarkets will invest in even more self service checkouts with just one member of staff to cover them all

So you are not in favour of increasing the minimum wage?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't."

I had to go with YES or NO with no explanation. Not that I have to give one.

Im out of time today to add any more to this, be back Monday though

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Think we should get rambo'd up,storm these bastard fat cat bankers offices n reclaim the wealth robin hood style!

whose with me?....I'll supply AKs,molotov cocktails and of course some war paint so we look the part!

Or failing that lets jail the fuckers like they did in Iceland

Reclaim the wealth? There IS no wealth. It's all a big con.

It's like riding the circus Wall of Death. The trick is to keep going. Stop to look around and you're fucked - like Greece.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"One thing I'm worried about is prices will go up to help pay for this, but people on benefits will have their money frozen and can't afford to buy food etc"

I think you'll find that most companies are charging the maximum that they think is appropriate atm. They don't generally maintain lower prices, just because they're raking in cash fairly comfortably, and costs are lowish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you own a small business,in some ways it is a good thing increasing the wage as this means people have more money to spend

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Think we should get rambo'd up,storm these bastard fat cat bankers offices n reclaim the wealth robin hood style!

whose with me?....I'll supply AKs,molotov cocktails and of course some war paint so we look the part!

Or failing that lets jail the fuckers like they did in Iceland

Reclaim the wealth? There IS no wealth. It's all a big con.

It's like riding the circus Wall of Death. The trick is to keep going. Stop to look around and you're fucked - like Greece."

Fair dos I'll just reclaim their heads then n stick em on spikes......until I come up with a better (more violent!) plan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The supermarkets will invest in even more self service checkouts with just one member of staff to cover them all

So you are not in favour of increasing the minimum wage?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I had to go with YES or NO with no explanation. Not that I have to give one.

Im out of time today to add any more to this, be back Monday though

I did not make up any rules. Answer as you wish.

Minimum wage increase = complaints by employers = congratulations from low paid employees. On the whole.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think we should get rambo'd up,storm these bastard fat cat bankers offices n reclaim the wealth robin hood style!

whose with me?....I'll supply AKs,molotov cocktails and of course some war paint so we look the part!

Or failing that lets jail the fuckers like they did in Iceland

"
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Errr no I'm not quite up for storming, it's a bit warm tonight for physicality

However we could have bailed out the people instead of the business's, jailed the bankers who committed wholesale fraud, installed proper regulation to stop it happening again and let the people who wish to gamble on 24%bond returns in Greece do so!, just not with my money

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"If you own a small business,in some ways it is a good thing increasing the wage as this means people have more money to spend "

I can't see it increasing spending power. At the moment folks have low wages + working tax credits = (roughly) £x. Higher wage + working tax credit = (roughly) £x.

Who wins?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

In general, the more money that lower paid people have in their pockets, it will by and large end up in the UK economy, compared to the richer end of the spectrum.

If more of the money that had gone to bail out the banks had been directed at the more typical person in the street, our economy would likely have recovered financially much quicker.

I'd prefer our minimum wage to be more of an exceptional pay level, than the new norm that it seems to have become for millions. Organisations could perhaps be forced to justify why they're only paying the minimum wage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was going to look at taking one of my freelancers on part time... but I won't be able to pay them that so I'll be keeping them freelance.

I don't really know what the implication of that is.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Think we should get rambo'd up,storm these bastard fat cat bankers offices n reclaim the wealth robin hood style!

whose with me?....I'll supply AKs,molotov cocktails and of course some war paint so we look the part!

Or failing that lets jail the fuckers like they did in Iceland

Errr no I'm not quite up for storming, it's a bit warm tonight for physicality

Maybe we could confiscate Gogarburn off RBS and put it to better use.

RBS could relocate to a portacabin in Portobello.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think we should get rambo'd up,storm these bastard fat cat bankers offices n reclaim the wealth robin hood style!

whose with me?....I'll supply AKs,molotov cocktails and of course some war paint so we look the part!

Or failing that lets jail the fuckers like they did in Iceland

Errr no I'm not quite up for storming, it's a bit warm tonight for physicality

Maybe we could confiscate Gogarburn off RBS and put it to better use.

RBS could relocate to a portacabin in Portobello."
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You own rbs along with all its losses... You don't need to confiscate it

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

It's not a minimum wage - it's the suggested *living* wage to be introduced from 2020, I think.

It means it's 'aspirational' - like a unicorn in every home.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Bad idea .. All prices and rents will go up and gobble away any advantages hyped by the fuckwit Chancellor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One thing I'm worried about is prices will go up to help pay for this, but people on benefits will have their money frozen and can't afford to buy food etc"

I already can't afford to buy food when the kids are away. As a single disabled mum, the govt have screwed me over!

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Bad idea.

I cant afford to pay that to my staff

Tricky, isn't it? It is so easy to express disgust at the government. And so difficult to come up with other financially credible policies.

Try cutting taxes and rates.

I pay the council £500 a month just to have a business. I pay them £250 a qtr to take our waste away.

It will just make it easier for people to do cash in hand work , whilst on benefits . Or encourage people to employ under 18 like mcdonalds etc

I am not worried about , neither is anyone I know. I intend to put my prices up,if I lose work because of this , I will sack someone .

A lot of the income in this country is from small businesses , and I sure as hell am not going to let my standard of living go down, because of this

Cash went into the hands the minute vat went from 17.5% to 20%

Something else the Tories promised they wouldn't do, did, then blamed it on Clegg."

Yeah, because labour keep all their promises...

Face it, their all as bad as each other, only ever in it for themselves. As it happens, though, I think the budget isn't too bad, even though we'll be worse off I think it's a step in the right direction.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"When I first heard this I though aye great,about time!

But what the state give with one hand they then take even more with the other......

If you're a young family or single parent you will no longer be entitled working tax credits!

As well as all the companies that can't/wont pay the higher rate but will worm around it by offering the new min wage but on part time/0 hour contracts!

This government sickens me it really does!

So who thinks it's a good/bad thing and why?"
I think it is up to the individual to have the necessary skills to be employable . We can hardly blame the government . Will consumers be happy paying higher prices for goods as a result of increased payroll costs . ? Everything you receive in life has to be paid for .Nothing is given to you on a plate . The majority of voters voted Conservative because they realised that they were the voice of common sense and agreed with their policies .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not a minimum wage - it's the suggested *living* wage to be introduced from 2020, I think.

It means it's 'aspirational' - like a unicorn in every home. "

I was under the impression it *was* the new minimum wage - since they have decided to change the name at the same time.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Those who voted Conservative fell for the lie that Cameron would make them better off.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Think we should get rambo'd up,storm these bastard fat cat bankers offices n reclaim the wealth robin hood style!

whose with me?....I'll supply AKs,molotov cocktails and of course some war paint so we look the part!

Or failing that lets jail the fuckers like they did in Iceland

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The banks are owned by shareholders and pension funds . These are the people who have suffered most of the losses. The bailout loans will be repaid or recovered eventually. Many senior bank employees work extremely hard .

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Those who voted Conservative fell for the lie that Cameron would make them better off."

did we ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not a minimum wage - it's the suggested *living* wage to be introduced from 2020, I think.

It means it's 'aspirational' - like a unicorn in every home.

I was under the impression it *was* the new minimum wage - since they have decided to change the name at the same time."

It is. It's not like the old Living Wage which was recommended, not compulsory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those who voted Conservative fell for the lie that Cameron would make them better off."

I will be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't it the minimal wage up to a certain age and then it is the living wage?

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Those who voted Conservative fell for the lie that Cameron would make them better off."
I thought that most people voted Conservative because they offered the best and the fairest policies . Labour have yet to show how they would control the power of the unions . Everything that you have in life has to be earned , not given to you on a plate .

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Isn't it the minimal wage up to a certain age and then it is the living wage?"

Yes, it's at a lower rate until you're 25 and then at the new "living" (I object to that term) wage.

Here we have the age old conundrum: everyone wants to earn a decent salary but no one wants to pay the true cost of that. The fudge of Working Tax Credits took the problem away from the salary bill and the consumer and placed it with the tax-payer.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I sit corrected:

"Mr Osborne unveiled the National Living Wage in a surprise announcement at the end of his Budget speech on Wednesday. Paid to over-25s, it will start at £7.20 and rise to £9 an hour by 2020."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33456160

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Inflation !

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By *av1970Man
over a year ago

Tattershall

Just to throw in my tuppence worth...£9 an hour, 40 hour week, 52 weeks a year gives you £18720 before everything starts to get taken off...i worked for the Civil Service for 13 years, had three promotions and only reached that level of pay in the last couple of years...so quite frankly, for many it's better than a kick in the slats is all i'm saying

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Those who voted Conservative fell for the lie that Cameron would make them better off. I thought that most people voted Conservative because they offered the best and the fairest policies . Labour have yet to show how they would control the power of the unions . Everything that you have in life has to be earned , not given to you on a plate . "

Like inherited titles and the houses and land which come with them?

Like Daddy's business and income?

Not so much a plate as a silver platter.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

Like inherited titles and the houses and land which come with them?

Like Daddy's business and income?

Not so much a plate as a silver platter."

Even if you inherit land or a business you still have to have the necessary skills to manage it or you could end up losing the lot very quickly . If parents work hard , they are proud to leave what they earned to their kids . What is wrong with that ?

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

If an employer cannot afford to pay what is considered to be a liveable wage then is it really a viable business ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Like inherited titles and the houses and land which come with them?

Like Daddy's business and income?

Not so much a plate as a silver platter.

Nah, you pay a proper professional to manage it and get proper auditors to ensure they ain't at the madam.

There's a good chance the parents didn't work hard either.

When was the last time a Plook of Westminster did some actual work?

When was a crown last passed on as a result of hard work?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

PS. Any post now I'll be accused of envy, which is quite funny. Even funnier for those who know my background.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Maybe we could confiscate Gogarburn off RBS and put it to better use.

RBS could relocate to a portacabin in Portobello."

Went to a lot of meetings there back in the day...

great to attend a meeting and drop off your dry cleaning and pick it up later

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By *ustcutieWoman
over a year ago

edinburgh

Maybe we could confiscate Gogarburn off RBS and put it to better use.

RBS could relocate to a portacabin in Portobello.

Went to a lot of meetings there back in the day...

great to attend a meeting and drop off your dry cleaning and pick it up later

You always make me smile

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

Like inherited titles and the houses and land which come with them?

Like Daddy's business and income?

Not so much a plate as a silver platter.

Nah, you pay a proper professional to manage it and get proper auditors to ensure they ain't at the madam.

There's a good chance the parents didn't work hard either.

When was the last time a Plook of Westminster did some actual work?

When was a crown last passed on as a result of hard work?"
The Royal Family are a good example . They work extremely hard and have no privacy whatsoever .

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Maybe we could confiscate Gogarburn off RBS and put it to better use.

RBS could relocate to a portacabin in Portobello.

Went to a lot of meetings there back in the day...

great to attend a meeting and drop off your dry cleaning and pick it up later

You always make me smile

it's was a great HQ,

and the catering was very good. I am sure I gained 5/6 lbs every visit

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

if you think about the the jump to 9 isn't really that big....

if you think the minimum wage at the moment is 6.50.... in october it goes up to 6.70... then in april it become 7.20...

so if you think they have to go up from 7.20 to 9 in 4 years... its basically 45p per year for 4 years.....

why should that jump not be manageable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It may be a pay rise but in theory pay has slowed to a halt over past few yrs, i dont but it when employers say they cant afford to pay it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Right enough talk! I've had a couple of beers so feeling full of bravado n belligerence

lol

Ak's at the ready folks,lets fuck those greedy bankers up!

CHAAAAAAARRRRRRRGE!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like inherited titles and the houses and land which come with them?

Like Daddy's business and income?

Not so much a plate as a silver platter."

Why do people have such a problem with this?

If a father has built up something why shouldn't it be passed on to the kids. It's up to the kids then to keep the ball rolling or piss it up the wall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It may be a pay rise but in theory pay has slowed to a halt over past few yrs, i dont but it when employers say they cant afford to pay it "

Get a job with a different company. One of my partners was just given 11% with another potential 11% in six months. That's the reality of working for American tech though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It may be a pay rise but in theory pay has slowed to a halt over past few yrs, i dont but it when employers say they cant afford to pay it

Get a job with a different company. One of my partners was just given 11% with another potential 11% in six months. That's the reality of working for American tech though."

Some companies are brilliant for pay rises, others....not so much.

I've been in my current job just over four years and earn around £350 more per month than when I started

It's certainly helped us make a good start in life.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Like inherited titles and the houses and land which come with them?

Like Daddy's business and income?

Not so much a plate as a silver platter.

Why do people have such a problem with this?

If a father has built up something why shouldn't it be passed on to the kids. It's up to the kids then to keep the ball rolling or piss it up the wall. "

It just shows that not everything you have in life has to be earned, as suggested above.

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By *razedcatMan
over a year ago

London / Herts

The Budget is always just an ongoing tweaking process - giving with one hand, taking away with the other.

Yes, minimum wage will be £9 by 2020, and will be increased to £7.20 next April, but the "living wage" the proposal is modelled on will be £11 by 2020!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like inherited titles and the houses and land which come with them?

Like Daddy's business and income?

Not so much a plate as a silver platter.

Why do people have such a problem with this?

If a father has built up something why shouldn't it be passed on to the kids. It's up to the kids then to keep the ball rolling or piss it up the wall.

It just shows that not everything you have in life has to be earned, as suggested above."

Of course everything isn't earned, some is inherited, some is won, I had £500,000 worth of life insurance which would be passed onto Mrsdpt, she wouldn't of earned it.

My point is that for a lot of (not all) people they're driven to make sure their family/loved ones are ok if anything happens to them. Hence wanting to build a business or property portfolio up.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

So you are not in favour of increasing the minimum wage?"

No it is about time this greed stopped and stability rerturned.

When I first started work most people earned between £7 and £10 per week.

That was enough for only the husband to work whilst the wife stayed home and looked after the house and kids.

The husbands wage covered all the costs of living and allowed the family to have a two week holiday every year.

Can anyone actually say we are better off now that wages have risen to a similar amount per hour?

Now it seems both the husband and the wife have to work full time just to make ends meet.

This relentless push for higher wages is self defeating as it just adds to the ever increasing spiral of costs.

Eventually it will be recognised that medieval man worked less hours per week for his Lord and master than the "free" men in today's society, that's not progress it is regression.

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By *otgymfitanymoreCouple
over a year ago

pontefract

Will all wages be increased or just minimum wage?

I know not all minimum wage earners are unskilled but I don't see how unskilled workers should be paid the same rate as skilled/trade workers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't agree with the minimum wage as this frankly with a lot of companies has become the maximum, as companies are run by spreadsheets these days and the accountant that unfortunately read them will stick to this notion that cheapest is best, except when it comes to their pay.

Also don't agree with family tax credit, why should in full employment require help when their boss is running around a brand new Merc.

It would be more prudent the government looked into what these firm are paying and what the owners are getting out of it, then if the is exploitation, make them compensate their workforce.

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over a year ago

"Will all wages be increased or just minimum wage?

I know not all minimum wage earners are unskilled but I don't see how unskilled workers should be paid the same rate as skilled/trade workers"

A lot of big construction companies only pay NVQ2 joiners £9 per hour so can see where you're coming from

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Will all wages be increased or just minimum wage?

I know not all minimum wage earners are unskilled but I don't see how unskilled workers should be paid the same rate as skilled/trade workers"

Increasing the minimum wage will erode differentials. That'll be another rammy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will all wages be increased or just minimum wage?

I know not all minimum wage earners are unskilled but I don't see how unskilled workers should be paid the same rate as skilled/trade workers

Increasing the minimum wage will erode differentials. That'll be another rammy."

But if two people are about to apply for jobs,

One as a joiner etc so 2 or 3 years apprenticeship which the minimum wage doesn't cover to qualify and earn £9

The second goes into an unskilled job to earn £9 per hour. Doesn't really seem fair if this is how it will be.

That's the argument the poster a few posts up meant and I fully agree with them.

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over a year ago

"Will all wages be increased or just minimum wage?

I know not all minimum wage earners are unskilled but I don't see how unskilled workers should be paid the same rate as skilled/trade workers

A lot of big construction companies only pay NVQ2 joiners £9 per hour so can see where you're coming from"

Maybe there should be another way of looking at it, companies must pay a minimum amount of their GROSS profit in wages per worker. This would benefit both parties as it would give workers an incentive to be efficient

The end of the day someone hires a worker to increase their profit, not because they're being nice, indeed I'd like every business taxed on gross income like the rest of us, to stop blatant avoidance of tax.

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over a year ago

"Will all wages be increased or just minimum wage?

I know not all minimum wage earners are unskilled but I don't see how unskilled workers should be paid the same rate as skilled/trade workers

A lot of big construction companies only pay NVQ2 joiners £9 per hour so can see where you're coming from

Gross income? What are you classing as income? Sales? So a company should be taxed on its sales, regardless of the cost of those sales?

Or do you mean EBITDA?

By the way, using 'accountant' as an insult isn't that effective because they don't do what you think they do.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

By the way, using 'accountant' as an insult isn't that effective because they don't do what you think they do. "

Using 'accountant' as an insult isn't about what they do, it's about the kind of people they tend to be.

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over a year ago

By the way, using 'accountant' as an insult isn't that effective because they don't do what you think they do.

Using 'accountant' as an insult isn't about what they do, it's about the kind of people they tend to be."

Which is what kind of person, exactly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bad idea.

I cant afford to pay that to my staff

Tricky, isn't it? It is so easy to express disgust at the government. And so difficult to come up with other financially credible policies.

Try cutting taxes and rates.

I pay the council £500 a month just to have a business. I pay them £250 a qtr to take our waste away.

It will just make it easier for people to do cash in hand work , whilst on benefits . Or encourage people to employ under 18 like mcdonalds etc

I am not worried about , neither is anyone I know. I intend to put my prices up,if I lose work because of this , I will sack someone .

A lot of the income in this country is from small businesses , and I sure as hell am not going to let my standard of living go down, because of this "

You cant sack someone if you lose work

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over a year ago

"When I first heard this I though aye great,about time!

But what the state give with one hand they then take even more with the other......

If you're a young family or single parent you will no longer be entitled working tax credits!

As well as all the companies that can't/wont pay the higher rate but will worm around it by offering the new min wage but on part time/0 hour contracts!

This government sickens me it really does!

So who thinks it's a good/bad thing and why?"

I think it's a great idea, the current tax credits system whilst needed for many low income families starts it dramaticly reduce when you get to £16000 pa income. So if you have 2 kids you get around 7k pa for earning up to 16k then only around £700pa if you earn 22k, because of this there is no incentive to work more or progress in a career, because if your on 16k you are no better off earning more until you get to 25k plus,

So the idea of instead having a system of significantly increasing the min wage is very good because it incentiveises you to work, which is what this country is lacking,xxx

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over a year ago

"When I first heard this I though aye great,about time!

But what the state give with one hand they then take even more with the other......

If you're a young family or single parent you will no longer be entitled working tax credits!

As well as all the companies that can't/wont pay the higher rate but will worm around it by offering the new min wage but on part time/0 hour contracts!

This government sickens me it really does!

So who thinks it's a good/bad thing and why?"

How does a part time or 0 hour contract mean they don't have to pay it?

They still have to pay it when you work

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By *r reliable cardiffMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I currently employ 2 people, a tradesman and a labourer. I pay my labourer the 'living wage' of £7.50 an hour, an the tradesmen £12.00. If I have to pay the labourer £9.00 an hour, then my tradesman will want more, £14 or £15 maybe? Then if they've both had a pay rise, why shouldn't I? So suddenly the average cost of the work we do has risen by £280 based on 40 hrs. If the government want to improve the standard of living in this country, try controling the number of cheap eastern European labour entering the country, and let the natural laws of supply an demand dictate wages.

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over a year ago

"If I have to pay the labourer £9.00 an hour, then my tradesman will want more, £14 or £15 maybe?"

Then say no to him. It's not like he's entitled to a wage rise.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

I'd like to see how the NHS will be able to afford the minimum wage. I temped for a few months and a lot of the jobs advertised are below the £9/hour.

Many large organisation have pay scales and this will surely upset their structure and cost a great deal to implement.

I'm a single parent and now on a decent wage but as my kids get older and I get less for child benefit and tax credits it is a struggle financially. My eldest is on a zero hour contract so his wages vary from week to week.

At least by the time he's 25 he'll benefit from the increased rate lol.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

I've heard a lot of companies saying they will go under if a liveable wage is introduced ...I say bring it on and let's get rid of these businesses !

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By *r reliable cardiffMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"If I have to pay the labourer £9.00 an hour, then my tradesman will want more, £14 or £15 maybe?

Then say no to him. It's not like he's entitled to a wage rise."
surely it's all relative though? My tradesman is worth £4.50 an hour more than my labourer, as he's obviously more skilled. So if the labourers money goes up, he'll expect his to, an rightfully so.

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over a year ago

Will it be £9 per hour for every one or will companies just get cheap labour. Also I dont think this will come into affect until 2020 just before the next election so they will keep us hanging x

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over a year ago

"I currently employ 2 people, a tradesman and a labourer. I pay my labourer the 'living wage' of £7.50 an hour, an the tradesmen £12.00. If I have to pay the labourer £9.00 an hour, then my tradesman will want more, £14 or £15 maybe? Then if they've both had a pay rise, why shouldn't I? So suddenly the average cost of the work we do has risen by £280 based on 40 hrs. If the government want to improve the standard of living in this country, try controling the number of cheap eastern European labour entering the country, and let the natural laws of supply an demand dictate wages. "
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I've never employed anyone but

I often get labourers and other tradesmen in on larger jobs.

I've never ever managed to find "a decent" one for

100 for labourers

150 for tradesmen

I've had cheaper..... Never ever again, they cost you more repairing shit they've broke on the job.

So that's £12:50 an hour

And £16 an hour

I couldn't find a gas fitter doing day rates less than £200 a day before 2007 and to be honest it's back to that these days I've had several who want £250 a day

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By *r reliable cardiffMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I've never employed anyone but

I often get labourers and other tradesmen in on larger jobs.

I've never ever managed to find "a decent" one for

100 for labourers

150 for tradesmen

I've had cheaper..... Never ever again, they cost you more repairing shit they've broke on the job.

So that's £12:50 an hour

And £16 an hour

I couldn't find a gas fitter doing day rates less than £200 a day before 2007 and to be honest it's back to that these days I've had several who want £250 a day"
give us a job?!! Lol. Different parts of the country have different rates of pay. To be honest my boys have never had it so easy... They're on easy st. Both left other jobs ( paying less/ less guaranteed hrs) to work with me. But ultimately customers dictate how much a company can afford to pay. I put my rates up £5 per metre all across the board in January, an had to drop them again due to enquiries dropping off

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over a year ago

"If I have to pay the labourer £9.00 an hour, then my tradesman will want more, £14 or £15 maybe?

Then say no to him. It's not like he's entitled to a wage rise. surely it's all relative though? My tradesman is worth £4.50 an hour more than my labourer, as he's obviously more skilled. So if the labourers money goes up, he'll expect his to, an rightfully so."

But he'd still be getting more than the labourter, a lot more. I'd love to be on that much an hour.

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over a year ago

I've never employed anyone but

I often get labourers and other tradesmen in on larger jobs.

I've never ever managed to find "a decent" one for

100 for labourers

150 for tradesmen

I've had cheaper..... Never ever again, they cost you more repairing shit they've broke on the job.

So that's £12:50 an hour

And £16 an hour

I couldn't find a gas fitter doing day rates less than £200 a day before 2007 and to be honest it's back to that these days I've had several who want £250 a day give us a job?!! Lol. Different parts of the country have different rates of pay. To be honest my boys have never had it so easy... They're on easy st. Both left other jobs ( paying less/ less guaranteed hrs) to work with me. But ultimately customers dictate how much a company can afford to pay. I put my rates up £5 per metre all across the board in January, an had to drop them again due to enquiries dropping off"
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That's from Cheshire to London to Bristol where I am now.... And no that's not city centre London

Try doubling that

I hear you on prices but labour isn't my big one

I could buy complete heating system for a 3 bed semi in 2002 for £750 boiler, pipes, rads, fittings, everything

That's 1500 today minimum if you absolutely shop round

That's a 100% increase on materials.

I charged 2200 for new heating in 2002 today I'm charging 2700

Spot where my labour has gone, swallowed by materials and a smaller base of customers

This year is the first year I could increase prices I'm now charging 3300 for heating so I'm back to nearly same margin 14 years later

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By *r reliable cardiffMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I've never employed anyone but

I often get labourers and other tradesmen in on larger jobs.

I've never ever managed to find "a decent" one for

100 for labourers

150 for tradesmen

I've had cheaper..... Never ever again, they cost you more repairing shit they've broke on the job.

So that's £12:50 an hour

And £16 an hour

That's from Cheshire to London to Bristol where I am now.... And no that's not city centre London

Try doubling that

I hear you on prices but labour isn't my big one

I could buy complete heating system for a 3 bed semi in 2002 for £750 boiler, pipes, rads, fittings, everything

That's 1500 today minimum if you absolutely shop round

That's a 100% increase on materials.

I charged 2200 for new heating in 2002 today I'm charging 2700

Spot where my labour has gone, swallowed by materials and a smaller base of customers

This year is the first year I could increase prices I'm now charging 3300 for heating so I'm back to nearly same margin 14 years later"
I hear what your saying, an it's very true. The cost of lead for example has nearly quadrupled in 10 years, but the cost of installing it hasn't. I pay more per hr for the trade we are in than most do round this way. I don't know what the answer is to be honest, but when you have to pay someone a minimum wage of £9 per hour for sweeping a road for example, anyone who has had to train hard or go on to further education to obtain a certain job, is going to feel hard dine by if they're not on considerably more

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over a year ago

Tell me about it copper pipe for the last five years you needed an app to keep up with prices!

Now if labour had been that volatile I'd have been rather irritable!

I've got a slight suspicion that they have a sneaky feeling that inflation will eat a large chunk of that increase and that inflation of materials will be far more problematic than labour!

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over a year ago

"When I first heard this I though aye great,about time!

But what the state give with one hand they then take even more with the other......

If you're a young family or single parent you will no longer be entitled working tax credits!

As well as all the companies that can't/wont pay the higher rate but will worm around it by offering the new min wage but on part time/0 hour contracts!

This government sickens me it really does!

So who thinks it's a good/bad thing and why? I think it is up to the individual to have the necessary skills to be employable . We can hardly blame the government . Will consumers be happy paying higher prices for goods as a result of increased payroll costs . ? Everything you receive in life has to be paid for .Nothing is given to you on a plate . The majority of voters voted Conservative because they realised that they were the voice of common sense and agreed with their policies ."

What absolute bollocks. If voting was compulsory there would have been a different result. I believe there is a huge apathy amongst the working class voters.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"When I first heard this I though aye great,about time!

But what the state give with one hand they then take even more with the other......

If you're a young family or single parent you will no longer be entitled working tax credits!

As well as all the companies that can't/wont pay the higher rate but will worm around it by offering the new min wage but on part time/0 hour contracts!

This government sickens me it really does!

What absolute bollocks. If voting was compulsory there would have been a different result. I believe there is a huge apathy amongst the working class voters."

. . What is the definition of working class?. Nobody can complain about the election result if they could not be bothered to vote. For what reasons should voting be made compulsory?

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over a year ago

"It's not a minimum wage - it's the suggested *living* wage to be introduced from 2020, I think.

It means it's 'aspirational' - like a unicorn in every home.

I was under the impression it *was* the new minimum wage - since they have decided to change the name at the same time."

It will be the minimum wage for over 25 iirc

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By *r reliable cardiffMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Tell me about it copper pipe for the last five years you needed an app to keep up with prices!

Now if labour had been that volatile I'd have been rather irritable!

I've got a slight suspicion that they have a sneaky feeling that inflation will eat a large chunk of that increase and that inflation of materials will be far more problematic than labour!

I noticed today they were talking about what to do about productivity.... The UK,s is not good and getting worse, that is a far larger problem than higher wages but goes very much unnoticed in the bigger scheme of things that the public worry about"
you could well be right about the inflation mate as it's been low for quite a while now. Personally I hope it doesn't go up too much, as most of my work is domestic ( about 90%) and tends to slow dramatically after a rise in inflation. I guess time will tell what effect a rise in minimum wage will bring

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over a year ago

"Think we should get rambo'd up,storm these bastard fat cat bankers offices n reclaim the wealth robin hood style!

whose with me?....I'll supply AKs,molotov cocktails and of course some war paint so we look the part!

Or failing that lets jail the fuckers like they did in Iceland

They added an additional 8% tax on any profits made by banks

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"When I first heard this I though aye great,about time!

But what the state give with one hand they then take even more with the other......

If you're a young family or single parent you will no longer be entitled working tax credits!

As well as all the companies that can't/wont pay the higher rate but will worm around it by offering the new min wage but on part time/0 hour contracts!

This government sickens me it really does!

What absolute bollocks. If voting was compulsory there would have been a different result. I believe there is a huge apathy amongst the working class voters."
. If there is apathy amongst working class voters that might mean that support for the Conservative government was understated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I first heard this I though aye great,about time!

But what the state give with one hand they then take even more with the other......

If you're a young family or single parent you will no longer be entitled working tax credits!

As well as all the companies that can't/wont pay the higher rate but will worm around it by offering the new min wage but on part time/0 hour contracts!

This government sickens me it really does!

What absolute bollocks. If voting was compulsory there would have been a different result. I believe there is a huge apathy amongst the working class voters.

. . What is the definition of working class?. Nobody can complain about the election result if they could not be bothered to vote. For what reasons should voting be made compulsory? "

To research my theory

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over a year ago

"Tell me about it copper pipe for the last five years you needed an app to keep up with prices!

Now if labour had been that volatile I'd have been rather irritable!

I've got a slight suspicion that they have a sneaky feeling that inflation will eat a large chunk of that increase and that inflation of materials will be far more problematic than labour!

I noticed today they were talking about what to do about productivity.... The UK,s is not good and getting worse, that is a far larger problem than higher wages but goes very much unnoticed in the bigger scheme of things that the public worry aboutyou could well be right about the inflation mate as it's been low for quite a while now. Personally I hope it doesn't go up too much, as most of my work is domestic ( about 90%) and tends to slow dramatically after a rise in inflation. I guess time will tell what effect a rise in minimum wage will bring"
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What I've found over the last 15 years or so.... Is that most customers simply can't afford the job they want doing, there literally skint until the end of the month and to be honest hardly anyone actually has money to build an extension or have a new kitchen... It's all added on the mortgage, with the hope that houses go up next year!... It's actually rather scary when you see what some folk have mortgages off

Last month I did a job for a couple who had a 600k mortgage on a 600k house and were talking about putting a 80k kitchen extension on the back...

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over a year ago

"When I first heard this I though aye great,about time!

But what the state give with one hand they then take even more with the other......

If you're a young family or single parent you will no longer be entitled working tax credits!

As well as all the companies that can't/wont pay the higher rate but will worm around it by offering the new min wage but on part time/0 hour contracts!

This government sickens me it really does!

What absolute bollocks. If voting was compulsory there would have been a different result. I believe there is a huge apathy amongst the working class voters.. If there is apathy amongst working class voters that might mean that support for the Conservative government was understated. "

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over a year ago

"Think we should get rambo'd up,storm these bastard fat cat bankers offices n reclaim the wealth robin hood style!

whose with me?....I'll supply AKs,molotov cocktails and of course some war paint so we look the part!

Or failing that lets jail the fuckers like they did in Iceland

They added an additional 8% tax on any profits made by banks "

They removed a banking levy that was based on total bank debts and that was designed to stop the banks taking on stupid Risks and replaced it with an 8% tax on uk generated profits! Which really didn't hinder them at all.

Of course when 3 of hsbcs chairman alone have donated nearly a million pounds to the Tory party in the last 6 years what do you really expect, one of them donated 200k to George Osborne alone

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Like inherited titles and the houses and land which come with them?

Like Daddy's business and income?

Not so much a plate as a silver platter."

So you'll be making sure you leave your children absolutely nothing then? Even if you have a million quid in the bank when you die, you'll leave it to the state rather than bequeath it to your kids?

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over a year ago

"When I first heard this I though aye great,about time!

But what the state give with one hand they then take even more with the other......

If you're a young family or single parent you will no longer be entitled working tax credits!

As well as all the companies that can't/wont pay the higher rate but will worm around it by offering the new min wage but on part time/0 hour contracts!

This government sickens me it really does!

So who thinks it's a good/bad thing and why?"

I'm sure price of everything will go up!!! I hate this country sometimes

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over a year ago

Like inherited titles and the houses and land which come with them?

Like Daddy's business and income?

Not so much a plate as a silver platter.

So you'll be making sure you leave your children absolutely nothing then? Even if you have a million quid in the bank when you die, you'll leave it to the state rather than bequeath it to your kids? "
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Were not leaving either of our children anything, were giving them a head start on life with knowledge and a decent education, and if they require money while we're alive that might be a possibility.

Everything else is up to them!

My personal money is going to a charity of my choice, my wife's a charity of her choice!

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Bad idea.

I cant afford to pay that to my staff

Tricky, isn't it? It is so easy to express disgust at the government. And so difficult to come up with other financially credible policies.

Try cutting taxes and rates.

I pay the council £500 a month just to have a business. I pay them £250 a qtr to take our waste away.

It will just make it easier for people to do cash in hand work , whilst on benefits . Or encourage people to employ under 18 like mcdonalds etc

I am not worried about , neither is anyone I know. I intend to put my prices up,if I lose work because of this , I will sack someone .

A lot of the income in this country is from small businesses , and I sure as hell am not going to let my standard of living go down, because of this

You cant sack someone if you lose work

Yes you can, it's called redundancy.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

Like inherited titles and the houses and land which come with them?

Like Daddy's business and income?

Not so much a plate as a silver platter.

Were not leaving either of our children anything, were giving them a head start on life with knowledge and a decent education, and if they require money while we're alive that might be a possibility.

Everything else is up to them!

My personal money is going to a charity of my choice, my wife's a charity of her choice!

"
. Is it fair to put charities before your children?

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over a year ago

Derby

"Tell me about it copper pipe for the last five years you needed an app to keep up with prices!

Now if labour had been that volatile I'd have been rather irritable!

I've got a slight suspicion that they have a sneaky feeling that inflation will eat a large chunk of that increase and that inflation of materials will be far more problematic than labour!

Lack of productivity is irrelevant if you're paying a low wage... you just employ someone else to make up the shortfall.

If your labour costs in a product are, say, 20%, and it takes 20people to make that product, employing another person will only add 1% to that product. If, however, you are forced to pay 40% more on labour (£6.50 to £9.00), then suddenly your labour costs increase to at least 28%... so you will try to increase productivity to reduce these costs back down to the original 20%. Some of this will be done by human productivity and efficiency, some by investment in more efficient techniques. The human efficiency gains may result in redundancies (unless you manage to make more and sell more for the same amount of labour), the investment may result in additional jobs involved in that investment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You haven't paid enough attention OP.

It isn't the minimum wage, it's the living wage (though effectively will be as it will be compulsory) and it won't be £9 per hour until 2020. It will start at around £7.50 ish

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By *etzPlayCouple
over a year ago

Southend

I think outsourcing British jobs to Indian should be illegal or have a 90% tax

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

Everything else is up to them!

My personal money is going to a charity of my choice, my wife's a charity of her choice!

. Is it fair to put charities before your children? "

its called personal choice ...you made the money and can spend it how you wish ..if you like a charity and wish to support them then why should you be denied that right ...too many children these days have a sense of entitlement

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"One thing I'm worried about is prices will go up to help pay for this, but people on benefits will have their money frozen and can't afford to buy food etc

I already can't afford to buy food when the kids are away. As a single disabled mum, the govt have screwed me over!"

I cook a meal from scratch every night, using fresh produce for two, for less than £3...sometimes I go wild and it costs a fiver.

Sadly, I doubt there'll be a rush to implement this. All that will happen will be an increase in zero hour contracts and younger people employed.

Weaken the unions, demonise those at the bottom whilst making aspirational promises. What's that old saying? Promises are comforts for fools?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you are not in favour of increasing the minimum wage?

No it is about time this greed stopped and stability rerturned.

When I first started work most people earned between £7 and £10 per week.

That was enough for only the husband to work whilst the wife stayed home and looked after the house and kids.

The husbands wage covered all the costs of living and allowed the family to have a two week holiday every year.

Can anyone actually say we are better off now that wages have risen to a similar amount per hour?

Now it seems both the husband and the wife have to work full time just to make ends meet.

This relentless push for higher wages is self defeating as it just adds to the ever increasing spiral of costs.

Eventually it will be recognised that medieval man worked less hours per week for his Lord and master than the "free" men in today's society, that's not progress it is regression."

People are always welcome to stop buying shit.

I lived in my own one bedroom designer flat on just my student loan + some small freelance earnings. Well below this new minimum wage.

But people just want more stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeh but when is the living wage to be implemented by!!! 2020

by that time we will be electing a new government who may change things again

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Yeh but when is the living wage to be implemented by!!! 2020

by that time we will be electing a new government who may change things again"

not quite.... 5 year fixed terms now... so we know next election will be on the 7th may 2020

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

A conversation on Radio 4 reveals a boss who responded to an increase in minimum wage by reducing staff hours by 30 minutes.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"if you think about the the jump to 9 isn't really that big....

if you think the minimum wage at the moment is 6.50.... in october it goes up to 6.70... then in april it become 7.20...

so if you think they have to go up from 7.20 to 9 in 4 years... its basically 45p per year for 4 years.....

why should that jump not be manageable?"

Fabio, it is not that the jump is not manageable, it is that those who on the top of the pile have become so greedy that they believe they have the right to everything and that those who actually create the wealth but do not own or run those enterprises are there to be exploited to the maximum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The downtrodden plebs v the nasty capitalists.

Might it not be a little more complex than that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A conversation on Radio 4 reveals a boss who responded to an increase in minimum wage by reducing staff hours by 30 minutes."

If the alternative was making some of them redundant completely, that doesn't sound such bad option. After all, avoiding job losses is an argument being used for public sector pay restraint...

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"A conversation on Radio 4 reveals a boss who responded to an increase in minimum wage by reducing staff hours by 30 minutes.

If the alternative was making some of them redundant completely, that doesn't sound such bad option. After all, avoiding job losses is an argument being used for public sector pay restraint..."
. As a result of this new legalisation some workers in retail might lose their staff discounts and share option schemes. Tesco staff have a pension , rights to share options a pension scheme and staff discounts . As times are tough in retail and consumers will not necessarily pay extra , a side effect of these new rules is that staff may lose their perks .