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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

There is yet another tube strike from late afternoon on Wed 8 July and no tube service at all on Thursday 9 July, is it about the pay again? Will you be effected? I wont be effected as I am in south London

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Didn't NuLabour bring in a law about "Three Strikes and your out?".

'bout time it was applied to the tube staff and the froggies. If you repeatedly don't like your job, terms, conditions then leave for one you do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Didn't NuLabour bring in a law about "Three Strikes and your out?".

'bout time it was applied to the tube staff and the froggies. If you repeatedly don't like your job, terms, conditions then leave for one you do. "
YEs that's right and the more they do it, the easier it will be to introduce driverless trains.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Sarf Larndon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Teachers, nurses, firefighters etc are all underpaid and deserve so much more.

40K per year tube workers.. nah. We will walk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"YEs that's right and the more they do it, the easier it will be to introduce driverless trains."

Interestingly, when the Victoria Line was built in the 60's, the initial plan was to have driverless trains - but there was a concern that passengers might not be too keen of riding in a train without a driver. The trains themselves are actually fully automatic, the chap who sits in the cab is there to open and close the doors - that's all his job consists of.

Of course, anyone who uses the DLR will know that the lack of a driver hasn't affected passenger confidence at all - as the DLR trains don't have them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The greedy bastards want extra pay

For sitting on their arse all day

Even though they earn 30k

So I'm standing here in the pouring rain

Where the fucks my fucking train

London Underground (London Underground)

They're all lazy fucking useless cunts

London Underground (London Underground

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

the more they strike the less support they will get

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rather than bashing tube workers who have a strong union that has negotiated them decent pay and conditions over the years energy would be better spent if we all joined together and demanded we all earnt a decent living wage. Of course nurses , teachers etc deserve better pay, so do carers, kids working behind the counter in Maccys, cleaners..everyone who s working hard.

People should be careful of playing into the governments hands and turning on each other, I know its inconveinent but divided we stand united we fall.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Rather than bashing tube workers who have a strong union that has negotiated them decent pay and conditions over the years energy would be better spent if we all joined together and demanded we all earnt a decent living wage. Of course nurses , teachers etc deserve better pay, so do carers, kids working behind the counter in Maccys, cleaners..everyone who s working hard.

People should be careful of playing into the governments hands and turning on each other, I know its inconveinent but divided we stand united we fall.

That's my _iew too. Sadly it's always a race to the bottom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People should be careful of playing into the governments hands and turning on each other, I know its inconveinent but divided we stand united we fall.

people only rant when it directly affects them anyway

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Everything affects everyone, either immediately or long term, directly or indirectly. There's a genesis of a religion in that. I'm not a naughty boy, I'm a messiah.

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By *bbaddonMan
over a year ago

Bristol

one of my old bosses, when asked about us getting time and a half for working late on Fridays (sometimes up to 2a.m. loading the truck for the weekend deliveries), used to say... "work one and a half times as hard, and I'll pay it", and I never forgot that.

If you've never worked hard, really hard, in all weathers, up to your nuts in water so cold you have to break the ice on it, covered in mud, but spend your working life pushing buttons and levers in the warm and dry, then I say strike and be damned! 40k a fucking year? Your average squaddie earns a shitload less, for much, much more, get off your fucking shiny arses and get a proper job!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The greedy bastards want extra pay

For sitting on their arse all day

Even though they earn 30k

So I'm standing here in the pouring rain

Where the fucks my fucking train

London Underground (London Underground)

They're all lazy fucking useless cunts

London Underground (London Underground

Ah, Amateur Transplants! Brilliant

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

People should be careful of playing into the governments hands and turning on each other, I know its inconveinent but divided we stand united we fall.

That's my _iew too. Sadly it's always a race to the bottom."

these..

never understand why when a group of employees stand up and fight for something that they feel they are worth or that something is worth protecting that others have a go at them..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People should be careful of playing into the governments hands and turning on each other, I know its inconveinent but divided we stand united we fall.

Nurses and teachers have their own strong unions. The tube workers just have one with a history of belligerance, and offensiveness to any suggestion of change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People should be careful of playing into the governments hands and turning on each other, I know its inconveinent but divided we stand united we fall.

That's my _iew too. Sadly it's always a race to the bottom.

these..

never understand why when a group of employees stand up and fight for something that they feel they are worth or that something is worth protecting that others have a go at them..

Not really sure I understand what they're protecting, other than the ability to get what they what when they want it despite logic that would suggest other action is required. I used to have sympathy for what they were fighting for but for all the excuses all they are striking for is to for the power to continuously increase an already very generous pay and benefits package.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they all should be fired, idiots. There are people who do much harder work and these freaks blackmail people, by making sure they bring london to a stand still, there many people who want a job and these knobs soon will be getting paid £100 000 a year for standing in the ticket office, of having a wank while they drive the automated trains.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In case anyone is wondering why they are going on strike it's because they weren't happy with the offer of a 2% pay rise plus index linked increases in following years, and a £500 bonus, in exchange for some of them working a night shift. This is on top of the various increases they have received right through the recession. I'm sure someone will correct me but I think a discussion around additional holiday was factored into this.

Based on something I read this week the actual average pay is about £49k. The average holiday entitlement is 43 days. Plus they get free travel for themselves and their close family.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

The strike is about TFL bringing in 24hour working on some lines without agreeing new shift rosters, safety measures or rest days with the workforce. At the moment if a worker finishes a late shift (1am) there must be a minimum of 24 hours before they start on early shifts (between 5am and 7:30) TFL want to do away with this which could mean a driver coming off shift at 7am and be rostered to start a day shift a few hours later.

The £500 bonus is only for some drivers working from some depots. Other staff may only get £250. Other drivers at other depots will get nothing.

Most of the drivers are in ASLEF and voted the strike.

Most of the management are in the TSSA Union and have accused TFL of "playground negotiating " they have had months to put an offer together and done nothing and yet they wanted an answer to this proposal within a few hours. TSSA have rejected the proposal until they have had time to study it in fine detail.

The same is true of RMT which makes up the majority of union members on the underground.

The lowest paid members on LU are cleaners. Most of these are contract cleaners and some are not even paid the London living wage which is against LU and TFLs own policy. They are in either RMT or UNITE.

Staff below management grade are mainly paid to work 35 hours a week. They are contracted to do 2 1/2 hours unpaid overtime every week which is accrued and given as days off and extra holiday.

Most of the positions on the Underground are now safety critical posts. These safety roles and the horrendous shift patterns with unsocial working hours are the reason why their jobs are essential and well paid. Over a period of three months they may only get one full weekend off. Not many on here would be willing or indeed capable of working on the Underground

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thanks for the post Collate. That was really insightful. However I don't think constantly striking is the answer.

I appreciate that they get paid for the shift work but they are paid very well for that. I agree with you that shifts take a toll on the body.

With regards to overtime I do extra hours weekly and that's unpaid and I'm sure there are others that do too. For reference it took me over a year to negotiate an increase which I finally got this year. Before that my salary had not increased for 4 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The strike is about TFL bringing in 24hour working on some lines without agreeing new shift rosters, safety measures or rest days with the workforce. At the moment if a worker finishes a late shift (1am) there must be a minimum of 24 hours before they start on early shifts (between 5am and 7:30) TFL want to do away with this which could mean a driver coming off shift at 7am and be rostered to start a day shift a few hours later.

The £500 bonus is only for some drivers working from some depots. Other staff may only get £250. Other drivers at other depots will get nothing.

Most of the drivers are in ASLEF and voted the strike.

The same is true of RMT which makes up the majority of union members on the underground.

Staff below management grade are mainly paid to work 35 hours a week. They are contracted to do 2 1/2 hours unpaid overtime every week which is accrued and given as days off and extra holiday.

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I work in the transport industry too..alot think its easy and we just sit on our arse not realising the horrendous shift patterns and the fact that safety stops with us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I won't be affected due to living in a different country but that's got to suck if you can't use the tube. It's the most convenient way to travel in London

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"The greedy bastards want extra pay

For sitting on their arse all day

Even though they earn 30k

So I'm standing here in the pouring rain

Where the fucks my fucking train

London Underground (London Underground)

They're all lazy fucking useless cunts

London Underground (London Underground

I remember that! Brilliant!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"one of my old bosses, when asked about us getting time and a half for working late on Fridays (sometimes up to 2a.m. loading the truck for the weekend deliveries), used to say... "work one and a half times as hard, and I'll pay it", and I never forgot that.

Or the squaddies could get jobs on the tube.

Up to them.

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands

"Sarf Larndon "
sarf larndon? what at this time of night guvnar? no chance

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"Thanks for the post Collate. That was really insightful. However I don't think constantly striking is the answer.

I appreciate that they get paid for the shift work but they are paid very well for that. I agree with you that shifts take a toll on the body.

Boris announced that 24 hour running would commence in September without consulting LU staff or TFL management. Up until yesterday TFL had refused to sit down on the myriad of changes to staff rostering, safety inspections and maintenance scheduling that needs to be sorted before 24 hour running can commence.

All this is happening while the process of closing all ticket offices is being carried out. Waterloo which is one of the busiest stations on the underground system now has no ticket office and will not be getting an information point for tourists queries. There are times when even topping up an Oyster card are an absolute nightmare.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I think they all should be fired, idiots. There are people who do much harder work and these freaks blackmail people, by making sure they bring london to a stand still, there many people who want a job and these knobs soon will be getting paid £100 000 a year for standing in the ticket office, of having a wank while they drive the automated trains."

some of those to whom you so less than eloquently refer were at work ten years ago and for some their actions on that day were exemplary..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Boris announced that 24 hour running would commence in September without consulting LU staff or TFL management. "

Boris has 'previous' in attempting such things, he is a bully and an oaf..

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Boris announced that 24 hour running would commence in September without consulting LU staff or TFL management.

Boris has 'previous' in attempting such things, he is a bully and an oaf.."

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"and these knobs soon will be getting paid £100 000 a year for standing in the ticket office,

There are no ticket offices anymore

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

"and these knobs soon will be getting paid £100 000 a year for standing in the ticket office,

There are no ticket offices anymore

C..."

they went on strike about that too

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By *isexmistressWoman
over a year ago

Prestwich

You can see why IS finds it so easy to recruit people..

Especially people who have nothing.They just hate us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thanks for the post Collate. That was really insightful. However I don't think constantly striking is the answer.

I appreciate that they get paid for the shift work but they are paid very well for that. I agree with you that shifts take a toll on the body.

C... "

Boris is a fool but people voted for him as mayor despite actions in his first term.

My point is this, striking is so frequent it achieves little now and workers have lost the sympathy of those of us that rely on the tube to get to work. Much of the rises inevitably get passed on to passengers. But I can't strike in protest that my salary won't go up in line with the increase in train prices and other costs.

Maybe I should just quit and join them.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"There is yet another tube strike from late afternoon on Wed 8 July and no tube service at all on Thursday 9 July, is it about the pay again? Will you be effected? I wont be effected as I am in south London"

Shit like this makes me glad I don't live in London any more...

And I'm pretty sure Penge is off the tube still. Sure you'll be fine OP.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Shit like this makes me glad I don't live in London any more...

And I'm pretty sure Penge is off the tube still. Sure you'll be fine OP."
Same here, penge is yes on the outskirts of London, it borders to kent, so I don't have to use the tube, althought it sais the buses can get more busier than usual.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"and these knobs soon will be getting paid £100 000 a year for standing in the ticket office,

There are no ticket offices anymore

C...

they went on strike about that too"

They all lost their jobs but at least they didn't go without a fight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shit like this makes me glad I don't live in London any more...

And I'm pretty sure Penge is off the tube still. Sure you'll be fine OP.Same here, penge is yes on the outskirts of London, it borders to kent, so I don't have to use the tube, althought it sais the buses can get more busier than usual."

What a man, Shag doesn't use the lube.

Oooops, a typo, silly me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Shit like this makes me glad I don't live in London any more...

What a man, Shag doesn't use the lube.

Oooops, a typo, silly me. "
lol yes that's a good.

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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago

Chessington/epsom

I'm on strike tomorrow but I can't be bothered to tell you people why we are going out on strike and it's not about money it's about then ripping up the rota duties and changing it for themselves ! I've only had 2 weekends off in the last 16 weeks and now it will be about 5 weekends in 40 and when will I see my kids over the weekend ! Instead of bitching why don't you get a union who will fight for your rights as workers and by the way I'm in aslef and this is our first strike in 10 years !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Boris condemns the strike. He is right tho. They are complaining cos they need to work more and that the trains will go every 10min on weekends, its not hard being a driver, they are there just to see if anything will happen to the train they don't actually drive it.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"I'm on strike tomorrow but I can't be bothered to tell you people why we are going out on strike and it's not about money it's about then ripping up the rota duties and changing it for themselves ! I've only had 2 weekends off in the last 16 weeks and now it will be about 5 weekends in 40 and when will I see my kids over the weekend ! Instead of bitching why don't you get a union who will fight for your rights as workers and by the way I'm in aslef and this is our first strike in 10 years !"

add the 5 to the days off you will have mid week over the school holidays that are regular times throughout the year.....

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

ps.... don't have an opinion on the strike as it has no impact on me, but many people will work the same amount of weekends serving the public

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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago

Chessington/epsom

Where do you get this 5 days off from and please don't say the evening standard !

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Where do you get this 5 days off from and please don't say the evening standard !"

the 5 weekends you mentioned

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By *bwlover19Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7751262?utm_hp_ref=uk&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

Read that for some more information. I for one support them unaminously

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just out of interest if you were offered an increased salary and still got the conditions you are striking for would you refuse the offer of a pay increase?

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By *bwlover19Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Just out of interest if you were offered an increased salary and still got the conditions you are striking for would you refuse the offer of a pay increase? "

Is that on the table?

The money is non consolidated ie a bribe. Non pensionable

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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago

Chessington/epsom

I don't want more money I just want some more weekends to see my kids and spend time with them.if your boss came to you and said you have to work 45 weekends in a year would you say yeah no problem or stand up to him ?

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

what about the poor bus drivers who have to pick up their passengers

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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago

Chessington/epsom

They also work for tfl but they are not rmt or aslef they are unite and I feel for them and we have ex bus drivers now tube drivers !

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"Boris condemns the strike. He is right tho. They are complaining cos they need to work more and that the trains will go every 10min on weekends, its not hard being a driver, they are there just to see if anything will happen to the train they don't actually drive it."

You know nothing about the job or why they are striking. Boris has never met with any of the union representatives. 24 hour running will not start on September 12 purely because the infrastructure (computer systems, power supplies, networks) are incapable of running for 24 hours a day. The oyster card system has to be taken down at night to be upgraded each day. The power station that supplies the central line gets over heated and needs to be switched off every night to allow it to cool down to stop it exploding. TFL management still haven't came up with staffing rosters that that take safety and a healthy work/life balance yet.

Loading boxes on and off lorries may be relatively easy. It certainly doesn't have the same safety implications as ensuring a train platform filled with 1000 passengers squeezing up to the edge during the rush hour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not true. Drivers don't just sit there. They are responsible for the train.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

C..."
Thats true but all the major citys got 24hr why cant england have it or is it to much work?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Someone said this: Seems odd to me why underground drivers are unhappy with £49k, 36hr week and 40+days of leave (according to BBC). So true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oddly enough, it is on tube strike days that I actually used to enjoy my morning commute.

Why? I hear you all not rush to ask.

Well, I used to arrive into London at Fenchurch Street and worked just around the corner fro Piccadilly circus.

On tube strike days, the River Cruise boats were free to use for season ticket / travelcard holders, so I would walk round to the Tower of London and enjoy a leisurely cruise up the river to Embankment - and then walk the rest, arriving in the office feeling rather refreshed.

Just a shame this service was only available on Tube strike days otherwise i'd have switched permanently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone said this: Seems odd to me why underground drivers are unhappy with £49k, 36hr week and 40+days of leave (according to BBC). So true."

Particularly when you consider that drivers on the Victoria Line are only there to operate the Train doors - the train itself is otherwise entirely automatic.

When the Victoria Line opened in the 1960's the original plan was to have driverless trains - but there was concern about passenger confidence and so a 'driver' or 'train operator' was retained so that passengers would feel more at ease.

Of course, anyone who's used the DLR will know that the travelling public have absolutely no problem with driverless trains

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't work for the underground but the reason that they're paid quite well is because they also have to have some engineering knowledge so that they can get the train moving again when they break down under certain circumstances. I wish that I was allowed to strike in my job but we can't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Someone said this: Seems odd to me why underground drivers are unhappy with £49k, 36hr week and 40+days of leave (according to BBC). So true.

Particularly when you consider that drivers on the Victoria Line are only there to operate the Train doors - the train itself is otherwise entirely automatic.

Of course, anyone who's used the DLR will know that the travelling public have absolutely no problem with driverless trains"
That's right I been on the DLR and its fine even some trams in croydon are driverless and it works fine.

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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago

Chessington/epsom

What do you do when the main compressors don't work on the s stock or d stock ! Or when you have a main line burst or god for bid a one under or I can go on and on and on ! We get paid well to know the faults and how to fix them or someone jumps under the train ! You lot have to stop reading the standard it's doesn't tell you the whole story .

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"Someone said this: Seems odd to me why underground drivers are unhappy with £49k, 36hr week and 40+days of leave (according to BBC). So true."
its about as true as you saying you live on the Kent border

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Someone said this: Seems odd to me why underground drivers are unhappy with £49k, 36hr week and 40+days of leave (according to BBC). So true.its about as true as you saying you live on the Kent border

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I suggest you google if penge borders to kent, you would be surprised

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you do when the main compressors don't work on the s stock or d stock ! Or when you have a main line burst or god for bid a one under or I can go on and on and on ! We get paid well to know the faults and how to fix them or someone jumps under the train ! You lot have to stop reading the standard it's doesn't tell you the whole story . "

I know a driver and what training she had to do. You have my utmost respect. It's one heck of a job.

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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago

Chessington/epsom

Thank you scarletstar x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The commuters have my sympathy in this heat.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

C...I suggest you google if penge borders to kent, you would be surprised

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orange is at the bottom of anerley hill. Closer to Surrey than Kent. Why this fixation, are you a man of Kent wannabe?

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

*Penge

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

C...I suggest you google if penge borders to kent, you would be surprised

orange is at the bottom of anerley hill. Closer to Surrey than Kent. Why this fixation, are you a man of Kent wannabe?"
Not an fixation at all, just nicer to say kent border as its kinda close

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

the Standard is well known for its anti union bias, i usually avoid it even now its free..

having worked with LUL staff in extrication and body removal following 'one unders'and other issues i have nothing but respect for them and the level of skill they have..

and i would believe one of them over some bollocks being spouted from the office of Boris any day..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"*Penge"

its now known by some as 'ponjay'..

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

Yes we are bored to tears hearing those who think London is important going on about it.

Life goes on without tube trains here in the real world.

Use your legs that is what they were invented for and at the same time it will save you the bother of going to a gym to get excercise.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"*Penge

its now known by some as 'ponjay'..

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lol good one.

Yes we are bored to tears hearing those who think London is important going on about it.

Life goes on without tube trains here in the real world.

Use your legs that is what they were invented for and at the same time it will save you the bother of going to a gym to get excercise.

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That's right lol, we got no tube here but I take the bus as usual u know to the gym.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sack them all.....disgrace!!

£50k a year, 36 hours a week, 43 days holiday a year

and the trains drive themselves, they only decide when to open and close the doors

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Sack them all.....disgrace!!

£50k a year, 36 hours a week, 43 days holiday a year

and the trains drive themselves, they only decide when to open and close the doors

After 6 months training

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sack them all.....disgrace!!

£50k a year, 36 hours a week, 43 days holiday a year

and the trains drive themselves, they only decide when to open and close the doors

After 6 months training

I think its a disgrace consider the pay and benefits they get, and the fact they dont really drive the trains unless in an emergency....they get paid a lot of money!

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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago

Chessington/epsom

It's like talking to kids here ! You lot just read the sun and standard and belive everything they write ok.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"It's like talking to kids here ! You lot just read the sun and standard and belive everything they write ok. "

I prefer to look at the nice pictures

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Sack them all.....disgrace!!

£50k a year, 36 hours a week, 43 days holiday a year

and the trains drive themselves, they only decide when to open and close the doors

After 6 months training

I think its a disgrace consider the pay and benefits they get, and the fact they dont really drive the trains unless in an emergency....they get paid a lot of money!"

so do footballers..

in fact didn't some really highly paid sportsmen in the USA go on strike recently..?

or is your point not about what they earn in relation to the strike action..?

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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago

Chessington/epsom

Me too lol

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