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"For me Gatwick really needs the 2nd runway, it would be easier to do as well." encroachment on the stockbroker belt? Tut tut! | |||
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"The whole Heathrow 3rd runway argument is a typical I'm alright jack situation. People who think we need a third runway usually don't live anywhere near a major airport so don't realise how poor the air quality is near by due to the amount of planes and traffic, add a 3rd runway then all of a sudden we have more planes spilling more fumes into the atmosphere and more cars and taxis. Then there's all the people who lose their houses because of compulsory purchase orders. " . I think most people just fail to grasp the big issues and just think wtf I want to fly to Barcelona on a Wednesday!. If they do the third runway, they will probably brake European air pollution limits which Heathrow pushes to the limits already!. This whole issue of a third runway is ridiculous, what happened to the government mantra of moving away from the south east for crying out loud!. | |||
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"I just wonder what the true impact will be by falling behind in the ability to meet the increasing demands. this isn't just about people wanting to fly to magaluf on any day/time they chose . " . No it's primarily about import/export and short journeys Stick vat on short haul aviation fuel and invest in trains.. The "need" for short haul would be drastically cut!. And start spreading the flow across many of the other airports nationwide and let's get this economic parity with the south east going.... Which every party for 20 years has been banging on about | |||
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"I just wonder what the true impact will be by falling behind in the ability to meet the increasing demands. this isn't just about people wanting to fly to magaluf on any day/time they chose . . No it's primarily about import/export and short journeys Stick vat on short haul aviation fuel and invest in trains.. The "need" for short haul would be drastically cut!. And start spreading the flow across many of the other airports nationwide and let's get this economic parity with the south east going.... Which every party for 20 years has been banging on about" No,you are missing the bigger picture. The next post following yours, by another member, hits the nail on the head. | |||
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"Heathrow it is then" maybe.. think it will come down to the tories majority at present and how many will be upset with the decision either way.. Boris and his fantasy island may give them a way out.. | |||
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"I just wonder what the true impact will be by falling behind in the ability to meet the increasing demands. this isn't just about people wanting to fly to magaluf on any day/time they chose . . No it's primarily about import/export and short journeys Stick vat on short haul aviation fuel and invest in trains.. The "need" for short haul would be drastically cut!. And start spreading the flow across many of the other airports nationwide and let's get this economic parity with the south east going.... Which every party for 20 years has been banging on about No,you are missing the bigger picture. The next post following yours, by another member, hits the nail on the head. " . What! You can't compare the uk to China! Well you can but then don't complain when your having to walk round in smog with a mask on. Alot of other major city airports are outside the city or have the benefit of flight paths over open land.... Heathrow doesn't, the commissions report is heavily biased towards Heathrow and was always going to be. Sometimes the best economic interest is not always in the best interest overhaul for the People and that's why the commission don't make decisions but recommendations | |||
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"I just wonder what the true impact will be by falling behind in the ability to meet the increasing demands. this isn't just about people wanting to fly to magaluf on any day/time they chose . . No it's primarily about import/export and short journeys Stick vat on short haul aviation fuel and invest in trains.. The "need" for short haul would be drastically cut!. And start spreading the flow across many of the other airports nationwide and let's get this economic parity with the south east going.... Which every party for 20 years has been banging on about No,you are missing the bigger picture. The next post following yours, by another member, hits the nail on the head. . What! You can't compare the uk to China! Well you can but then don't complain when your having to walk round in smog with a mask on. Alot of other major city airports are outside the city or have the benefit of flight paths over open land.... Heathrow doesn't, the commissions report is heavily biased towards Heathrow and was always going to be. Sometimes the best economic interest is not always in the best interest overhaul for the People and that's why the commission don't make decisions but recommendations" I don't think the smog can be solely attributed to the airplanes! That's quite a weak argument. But actually, while China is investing massively in airports, there are others much closer to home who are building super hubs that will meet the demands of the airlines. The point being they are building for the future and doing it quickly . As mentioned before, we are hobbling along still deciding about pitiful expansion, which by today's standards, will not be required by the time we get down to laying foundations. The exact same situation is happening with the HS projects. | |||
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"BBC.... " Along the Black Sea coast, 21 miles (35km) from Istanbul, an army of trucks and construction workers are labouring round the clock to build one of the world's biggest airports. The project was only announced two years ago by the Turkish government and yet it's due to open in 2018. Once fully complete, it will boast six runways and cater for 150 million passengers a year, travelling to 350 destinations. Or to put it another way, it will have more than twice the capacity of London Heathrow. " Story also commented that of the 50 new runways being considered, planned or built before 2036, only 17 are in China. These runways are considered major international infrastructure developments serving international destinations and do not include the hundreds of smaller runways in provincial cities serving a domestic market." And same report also mentions the second massive airport DWC development in Dubai. Given that the current DXB is already expanded to 3 terminals and moving more passengers and freight than LHR - puts in to perspective the insignificant "dilemma " of where to put our third runway ! | |||
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"You can't compare Heathrow to other cities. Heathrow flight paths affect more people than Amsterdam, Paris, Madrid and Barcelona put together! The main expansion that Heathrow claims is cargo which they wish to double, that cargo could just as easily be transferred from other airports. I'm not being funny but a major expansion of an airport located as close to a capital city as London with building standards that we have, is never going to be quick! " You can compare how other cities / countries deal with the same challenges - look at HKG - old airport downtown, approach involved a sharp turn on approach and descending through the high rises of Kowloon and no room for expansion. Solution : build a new manmade Island away from the populated areas and put in an excellent rail link to the centre. | |||
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"One flight every 42 seconds! With a third they want that to be one flight every 26 seconds! Flying over 7 million people, 750,000 of them are directly affected by it! You said I missed the big picture, I think Id rather think big and outside the box. Let's build some maglef trains let's see more underground, let's see airports built on estuaries, you want to fuck around for years building something that's already been done.... We can't build quicker than some third world shithole but we can build the unthinkable! " That's what I just said | |||
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"The whole Heathrow 3rd runway argument is a typical I'm alright jack situation. People who think we need a third runway usually don't live anywhere near a major airport so don't realise how poor the air quality is near by due to the amount of planes and traffic, add a 3rd runway then all of a sudden we have more planes spilling more fumes into the atmosphere and more cars and taxis. Then there's all the people who lose their houses because of compulsory purchase orders. . I think most people just fail to grasp the big issues and just think wtf I want to fly to Barcelona on a Wednesday!. If they do the third runway, they will probably brake European air pollution limits which Heathrow pushes to the limits already!. This whole issue of a third runway is ridiculous, what happened to the government mantra of moving away from the south east for crying out loud!. " they win an out right majority and no longer have to appeas the libdems so it's full steam ahead with the masterplan and bollocks to the rest of the country | |||
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"Really doesn't make much sense to me, when we have an empty closed airport down here with a very big runway sitting there doing nothing, what's the point of building another runway when there's one crying out to be used? " Yours doesn't have the infrastructure to support the expected traffic. | |||
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"Onny, Glasgow, nobody lives there or wants to go there? Alec" Emirates don't seem to think so! commitment and investment operating 2 daily services from GLA. Direct service to Dubai and beyond thereby missing out LHR. | |||
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"Really doesn't make much sense to me, when we have an empty closed airport down here with a very big runway sitting there doing nothing, what's the point of building another runway when there's one crying out to be used? Yours doesn't have the infrastructure to support the expected traffic. " It could have though, we have dual carriage way all the way to the airport and new roads have been built in the last couple of years, pretty close to the M20 & M25 | |||
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"Onny, Glasgow, nobody lives there or wants to go there? Alec Emirates don't seem to think so! commitment and investment operating 2 daily services from GLA. Direct service to Dubai and beyond thereby missing out LHR. " And it takes about as long to get from Glasgow City centre to the airport as it does to get through check in and fly to London. | |||
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"Really doesn't make much sense to me, when we have an empty closed airport down here with a very big runway sitting there doing nothing, what's the point of building another runway when there's one crying out to be used? Yours doesn't have the infrastructure to support the expected traffic. It could have though, we have dual carriage way all the way to the airport and new roads have been built in the last couple of years, pretty close to the M20 & M25 " We have a huge, fog free runway at Prestwick doing virtually nothing. | |||
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"Onny, Glasgow, nobody lives there or wants to go there? Alec Emirates don't seem to think so! commitment and investment operating 2 daily services from GLA. Direct service to Dubai and beyond thereby missing out LHR. And it takes about as long to get from Glasgow City centre to the airport as it does to get through check in and fly to London." Wouldn't take much to do a fast rail link from centre (central or qs) out the airport. | |||
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"One flight every 42 seconds! With a third they want that to be one flight every 26 seconds! Flying over 7 million people, 750,000 of them are directly affected by it! You said I missed the big picture, I think Id rather think big and outside the box. Let's build some maglef trains let's see more underground, let's see airports built on estuaries, you want to fuck around for years building something that's already been done.... We can't build quicker than some third world shithole but we can build the unthinkable! " interesting how you describe the third world, particularly when Heathrow & Gatwick are very much in the equation! | |||
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"You can't compare Heathrow to other cities. Heathrow flight paths affect more people than Amsterdam, Paris, Madrid and Barcelona put together! The main expansion that Heathrow claims is cargo which they wish to double, that cargo could just as easily be transferred from other airports. I'm not being funny but a major expansion of an airport located as close to a capital city as London with building standards that we have, is never going to be quick! " Depends where the cargo is going/coming from. Move the airport you increase the strain on our woefully inadequate roads. | |||
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"Onny, Glasgow, nobody lives there or wants to go there? Alec Emirates don't seem to think so! commitment and investment operating 2 daily services from GLA. Direct service to Dubai and beyond thereby missing out LHR. And it takes about as long to get from Glasgow City centre to the airport as it does to get through check in and fly to London. Wouldn't take much to do a fast rail link from centre (central or qs) out the airport. " Indeed. The money was in place and the route secured for GARL (Glasgow Airport Rail Link) but the then Scottish Government chose to cancel with the 'promise' of resurrection in the event of a Yes vote in the Referendum. We know how that worked out. | |||
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