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"More importantly, going on that logic, surely they must also be concerned that if opened and half used that whatever you may intend to mix it with could then make said liquid a bad liquid. And if , following that logic, how the hell are you meant to bring unused toiletries of any size home again?? Because surely the size of the bottle shouldn't really matter, only the contents. " Pack them in your hold luggage and you can take what ever size you desire, as long as it is not on the restricted items list. | |||
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"More importantly, going on that logic, surely they must also be concerned that if opened and half used that whatever you may intend to mix it with could then make said liquid a bad liquid. And if , following that logic, how the hell are you meant to bring unused toiletries of any size home again?? Because surely the size of the bottle shouldn't really matter, only the contents. Pack them in your hold luggage and you can take what ever size you desire, as long as it is not on the restricted items list." Fair enough, On this occasion I didn't have any hold luggage, it did cross my mind if I had the time to check in my one item of hair gel and enjoy watching the attendant wonder how to stick the final destination label lol Oh and to the comment above, yeah it surprised me that they had no clue about any liquids less than 100mls coming through. | |||
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"iTS A PAIN BUT ITS FOR OUR SAFETY " Stop making so much sense, - it's too early for that shit!  | |||
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"I guess it's hard to measure exactly if the container is larger. I take cheap and cheerful toiletries abroad so I just leave them behind when I come back. " Right, no more making sense, please! | |||
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"If you remember 9/11 then why bother trying to bring any liquids on to a flight? *Baffled ......apart from the finest Irish whiskey in a hip flask, that is! "Not sure what part liquids played in 9/11? However, the size of containers is of little importance if 3 of you can take 5 x 100ml on board each 
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"If you remember 9/11 then why bother trying to bring any liquids on to a flight? *Baffled ......apart from the finest Irish whiskey in a hip flask, that is!
Not sure what part liquids played in 9/11?
However, the size of containers is of little importance if 3 of you can take 5 x 100ml on board each
Has always seemed a way to get us to buy drinks at extortionate rates 'airside'. "Really, - you cannot relate limiting liquids to 9/11? Do you think they're scared of people freaking out on copious amounts of conditioner?  | |||
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"If you remember 9/11 then why bother trying to bring any liquids on to a flight? *Baffled ......apart from the finest Irish whiskey in a hip flask, that is!
Not sure what part liquids played in 9/11?
However, the size of containers is of little importance if 3 of you can take 5 x 100ml on board each
Has always seemed a way to get us to buy drinks at extortionate rates 'airside'. "Thanks mate I'm glad you see my point....the others above have completely missed this scenario talking about security and checking in. If liquids are a security issue then were are not secure anytime we fly based on above. | |||
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"If you remember 9/11 then why bother trying to bring any liquids on to a flight? *Baffled ......apart from the finest Irish whiskey in a hip flask, that is!
Not sure what part liquids played in 9/11?
However, the size of containers is of little importance if 3 of you can take 5 x 100ml on board each
Has always seemed a way to get us to buy drinks at extortionate rates 'airside'.
Thanks mate I'm glad you see my point....the others above have completely missed this scenario talking about security and checking in.
If liquids are a security issue then were are not secure anytime we fly based on above.
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"The liquids ban was nothing to do with 9/11, it was brought in after a failed plot a few years later. I think the logic with being able to buy liquids after security is that those items have been security checked so that they can't have been tampered with, I'm sure I remember another plot where they'd got jobs in WHSmith airside to try and smuggle in water bottles containing explosives or something. (But I agree, it's annoying about the container size thing, I doubt that's the real reason as much as it's about just trying to make the rule simpler and easier to get the message through to people) It's been this was for at least 10 years now though, so how come you even tried?" On 9/11 there was a terrorist attack, that was my point. But you're right, how comes a decade later poeple still haven't got it? It's simple, just pack it in your main 'hold' luggage or don't bring it, - it's no wonder that the queues are so long at airside security! | |||
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"The liquids ban was nothing to do with 9/11, it was brought in after a failed plot a few years later. I think the logic with being able to buy liquids after security is that those items have been security checked so that they can't have been tampered with, I'm sure I remember another plot where they'd got jobs in WHSmith airside to try and smuggle in water bottles containing explosives or something. (But I agree, it's annoying about the container size thing, I doubt that's the real reason as much as it's about just trying to make the rule simpler and easier to get the message through to people) It's been this was for at least 10 years now though, so how come you even tried? On 9/11 there was a terrorist attack, that was my point. But you're right, how comes a decade later poeple still haven't got it? It's simple, just pack it in your main 'hold' luggage or don't bring it, - it's no wonder that the queues are so long at airside security! " I understand the check in process or leave it approach- but your too busy spouting the rule book to stop and consider if it adds any security....It can't have been spelt out any better above. | |||
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"The liquids ban was nothing to do with 9/11, it was brought in after a failed plot a few years later. I think the logic with being able to buy liquids after security is that those items have been security checked so that they can't have been tampered with, I'm sure I remember another plot where they'd got jobs in WHSmith airside to try and smuggle in water bottles containing explosives or something. (But I agree, it's annoying about the container size thing, I doubt that's the real reason as much as it's about just trying to make the rule simpler and easier to get the message through to people) It's been this was for at least 10 years now though, so how come you even tried? On 9/11 there was a terrorist attack, that was my point. But you're right, how comes a decade later poeple still haven't got it? It's simple, just pack it in your main 'hold' luggage or don't bring it, - it's no wonder that the queues are so long at airside security! I understand the check in process or leave it approach- but your too busy spouting the rule book to stop and consider if it adds any security....It can't have been spelt out any better above." But here's the thing if they apply the rule ridgedly no one can complain of special treatment etc and more importantly some minimum wage security can't be duped by a good story. For every 100,000 genuine cases if just one trick gets through its still a lot of lives | |||
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"its bad enough queuing and tempers are short without a gob shite arguing about a bit of nothing and hoding things up they realy piss me of these sorts you know the rules get a life " Thank you for your thoughts, have a nice day! | |||
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"I adhere to the rules, no matter how ill conceived. As to security queues...its the donuts who stand there listening to constant messages about what to do, but don't remove items before reaching the front of the queue that take the time. I am ready way before then, but invariably stuck behind some plonker who hasn't bothered. "Oh, do I have to take my belt off? Oh, yes I have a laptop...that comes out as well? Next thing you will be wanting to check these 6 bottles of baby feed I have in the pram? What, you need me to drink some of each? I don't like it" (actually happened at Stansted) " I've been behind similar at Newcastle many a time Quite infuriating. Actually, I hate airports, people are idiots. | |||
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"I adhere to the rules, no matter how ill conceived. As to security queues...its the donuts who stand there listening to constant messages about what to do, but don't remove items before reaching the front of the queue that take the time. I am ready way before then, but invariably stuck behind some plonker who hasn't bothered. "Oh, do I have to take my belt off? Oh, yes I have a laptop...that comes out as well? Next thing you will be wanting to check these 6 bottles of baby feed I have in the pram? What, you need me to drink some of each? I don't like it" (actually happened at Stansted) I've been behind similar at Newcastle many a time Quite infuriating. Actually, I hate airports, people are idiots. "What's the point in making them drink it surely if you're going to blow yourself up in a little while you can just box a shot land of water, painkillers and anti acids drink some and smile and go throw up in the bogs later? | |||
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"I adhere to the rules, no matter how ill conceived. As to security queues...its the donuts who stand there listening to constant messages about what to do, but don't remove items before reaching the front of the queue that take the time. I am ready way before then, but invariably stuck behind some plonker who hasn't bothered. "Oh, do I have to take my belt off? Oh, yes I have a laptop...that comes out as well? Next thing you will be wanting to check these 6 bottles of baby feed I have in the pram? What, you need me to drink some of each? I don't like it" (actually happened at Stansted) I've been behind similar at Newcastle many a time Quite infuriating. Actually, I hate airports, people are idiots.
What's the point in making them drink it surely if you're going to blow yourself up in a little while you can just box a shot land of water, painkillers and anti acids drink some and smile and go throw up in the bogs later?"I'm all for questioning the reasoning behind things, but not at 6am when I'm trying to catch a flight and have been queueing for ages and they've been told repeatedly that's what's going to happen | |||
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"Although I once did have my bag pulled aside. How was I to know that sausages 'scan as explosives' on some scanners? So put your ground meat products in a separate tray folks...top tip "Mine is always getting searched, I must have a suspicious looking face. | |||
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"I adhere to the rules, no matter how ill conceived. As to security queues...its the donuts who stand there listening to constant messages about what to do, but don't remove items before reaching the front of the queue that take the time. I am ready way before then, but invariably stuck behind some plonker who hasn't bothered. "Oh, do I have to take my belt off? Oh, yes I have a laptop...that comes out as well? Next thing you will be wanting to check these 6 bottles of baby feed I have in the pram? What, you need me to drink some of each? I don't like it" (actually happened at Stansted) I've been behind similar at Newcastle many a time Quite infuriating. Actually, I hate airports, people are idiots.
What's the point in making them drink it surely if you're going to blow yourself up in a little while you can just box a shot land of water, painkillers and anti acids drink some and smile and go throw up in the bogs later?"Well the bottles were opened and smelt, but the mother had to drink from each bottle. The father didn't like it. | |||
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"I adhere to the rules, no matter how ill conceived. As to security queues...its the donuts who stand there listening to constant messages about what to do, but don't remove items before reaching the front of the queue that take the time. I am ready way before then, but invariably stuck behind some plonker who hasn't bothered. "Oh, do I have to take my belt off? Oh, yes I have a laptop...that comes out as well? Next thing you will be wanting to check these 6 bottles of baby feed I have in the pram? What, you need me to drink some of each? I don't like it" (actually happened at Stansted) I've been behind similar at Newcastle many a time Quite infuriating. Actually, I hate airports, people are idiots. "I love airports, they bring out the best and worst in people. It's hilarious watching people totally loose it and also quite lovely to see people reunited. | |||
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"9/11 changed the world aviation security wise, the terrorists may not have had bottles of bloody shampoo with them, but, it's been well proven that small amounts of liquid can be mixed to make a bomb, if you don't want to lose your liquids, put them in the hold or don't fly, simple really." | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall ""but I'm not a terrorist, the rules shouldn't apply to me" | |||
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" I love airports, they bring out the best and worst in people. It's hilarious watching people totally loose it and also quite lovely to see people reunited." They bring out the worst in me for sure, I become incredibly intolerant of everyone and everything, even those family reunions (if they're in my way  ) | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall "It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why. With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming. | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall ""Why are you patting me down?" "It's for your own safety sir" "Do you think I've got a bomb on me I don't know about?" *get shot* | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming."You're not the only person stating it's not 100% 'safe'. But other people acknowledge the fact it's worth putting up with as it's better than no rules at all. | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming."75mls in a 150ml container. That leaves room for the addition of another 75mls of liquid to create an explosive which could kill multiple people or bring down the plane. | |||
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"The liquids ban was nothing to do with 9/11, it was brought in after a failed plot a few years later. I think the logic with being able to buy liquids after security is that those items have been security checked so that they can't have been tampered with, I'm sure I remember another plot where they'd got jobs in WHSmith airside to try and smuggle in water bottles containing explosives or something. (But I agree, it's annoying about the container size thing, I doubt that's the real reason as much as it's about just trying to make the rule simpler and easier to get the message through to people) It's been this was for at least 10 years now though, so how come you even tried? On 9/11 there was a terrorist attack, that was my point. But you're right, how comes a decade later poeple still haven't got it? It's simple, just pack it in your main 'hold' luggage or don't bring it, - it's no wonder that the queues are so long at airside security! I understand the check in process or leave it approach- but your too busy spouting the rule book to stop and consider if it adds any security....It can't have been spelt out any better above." Rulebook? It can be written on a small piece of paper or absorbed in a fraction of a brain cell, as can the security benefits! | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming.
75mls in a 150ml container. That leaves room for the addition of another 75mls of liquid to create an explosive which could kill multiple people or bring down the plane.
"To be fair it's fairly unlikely you're limited to pretty much non nitrogen based explosives for getting past security and those range from too shit to do much damage to often too unstable for you to fully mix them and so only a small initial amount will go off and ruin the rest of the reaction properly just covering you in gunk. Btw following this post you're all probably on some watch lists sorry ^_^ | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming.
75mls in a 150ml container. That leaves room for the addition of another 75mls of liquid to create an explosive which could kill multiple people or bring down the plane.
To be fair it's fairly unlikely you're limited to pretty much non nitrogen based explosives for getting past security and those range from too shit to do much damage to often too unstable for you to fully mix them and so only a small initial amount will go off and ruin the rest of the reaction properly just covering you in gunk.
Btw following this post you're all probably on some watch lists sorry ^_^"There's plenty of stuff you can carry to make an explosive liquid that could kill or maim several people and how about liquids that can incapacitate? Tear gas is very easy to make and on a plane it could be devastating. | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming."Geez, I'm beginning to regret not banging hard enough!!
......but I may hang around for long enough to hear the jingle-jangle of the penny dropping.
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming.
75mls in a 150ml container. That leaves room for the addition of another 75mls of liquid to create an explosive which could kill multiple people or bring down the plane.
To be fair it's fairly unlikely you're limited to pretty much non nitrogen based explosives for getting past security and those range from too shit to do much damage to often too unstable for you to fully mix them and so only a small initial amount will go off and ruin the rest of the reaction properly just covering you in gunk.
Btw following this post you're all probably on some watch lists sorry ^_^
There's plenty of stuff you can carry to make an explosive liquid that could kill or maim several people and how about liquids that can incapacitate? Tear gas is very easy to make and on a plane it could be devastating."Yes but again most explosives of a suitable power are nitrogen based which are useless for concealment we've had chemical sniffers for them for a. Very long time. And tear gas on a plane would be pointless the air vents out of well vents in the rear of the plane with the pacs supplying free air towards the front the pilot simply would have to increase the pacs output and the gas would be vented out of the rear very quickly and couldn't flow forward toward the cockpit anyway. And even if you did fill a plane with gear glass aside from being annoying it's not gonna seriously harm anyone. | |||
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"its bad enough queuing and tempers are short without a gob shite arguing about a bit of nothing and hoding things up they realy piss me of these sorts you know the rules get a life Thank you for your thoughts, have a nice day!" Valid point though. For every time someone like you starts arguing it adds time further down the queue - you're the idiot tapping his brakes in the outside lane of the M1 for no reason and causing the tailback 2 miles further down... Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in... | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming.
75mls in a 150ml container. That leaves room for the addition of another 75mls of liquid to create an explosive which could kill multiple people or bring down the plane.
To be fair it's fairly unlikely you're limited to pretty much non nitrogen based explosives for getting past security and those range from too shit to do much damage to often too unstable for you to fully mix them and so only a small initial amount will go off and ruin the rest of the reaction properly just covering you in gunk.
Btw following this post you're all probably on some watch lists sorry ^_^
There's plenty of stuff you can carry to make an explosive liquid that could kill or maim several people and how about liquids that can incapacitate? Tear gas is very easy to make and on a plane it could be devastating.
Yes but again most explosives of a suitable power are nitrogen based which are useless for concealment we've had chemical sniffers for them for a. Very long time.
And tear gas on a plane would be pointless the air vents out of well vents in the rear of the plane with the pacs supplying free air towards the front the pilot simply would have to increase the pacs output and the gas would be vented out of the rear very quickly and couldn't flow forward toward the cockpit anyway.
And even if you did fill a plane with gear glass aside from being annoying it's not gonna seriously harm anyone.
"Even a small amount of year gas could subdue an air marshall long enough for a terrorist to gain control of the cabin. The ventilation system wouldn't be able to vent all the gas that quickly. Also, try mixing hydrogen peroxide and alcohol together and see how that chemical reaction goes... It's just a possible scenario. Other chemical, biological,flammable liquids could be mixed and possibly cause catastrophic loss of life. It's all about limiting risk. | |||
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"I got a half empty hair product container taken of me cause at 150mls it exceeded the rules. even though I knew a reasonable debate would not be welcome with them, I asked when it's half empty (which could be verified) why still deny it? Answer given : was people could smuggle lots of 100mls liquids past them and arrange to organize to meet an have a lot of this liquid in a bigger container. I had 2 futile responses to this: 1- so was she telling me your job is redundant and your not making the plane anymore secure given less than 100mls of bad liquid in a fancy aftershave bottle will go unspotted???! 2- despite taking my 150ml container away can every single person walking through not just hit a duty free/costa/wh smith once through an buy a container - say a bottle of water (free with a newspaper woooo) and the risk still exists with many bad people adding there 100mls together??? The answer to both....move along sir. (fearing is only made my chances of flying worse I did just that!)" The rules are quite explicit. They say: no half empty large containers in your hand luggage. So you have choices. A) Put your large containers in your checked luggage. B) Take smaller containers in your hand luggage. C) Don't fly. | |||
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"Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in..." And for future reference - could you not be so homophobic please mate? Thanks. | |||
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"Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in... And for future reference - could you not be so homophobic please mate? Thanks." "Homophobic " ? Did you leave your sense of humour in bed when you got up this morning? | |||
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"Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in... And for future reference - could you not be so homophobic please mate? Thanks." I think this was just a joke, no need to be quite so touchy. | |||
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" I love airports, they bring out the best and worst in people. It's hilarious watching people totally loose it and also quite lovely to see people reunited. They bring out the worst in me for sure, I become incredibly intolerant of everyone and everything, even those family reunions (if they're in my way )"I'm the same, I've actually been known to tell people off at security. Those people who put all their items back on as soon as their tray comes out instead of just picking it up and moving to a better place. Drives me insane! | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming.
75mls in a 150ml container. That leaves room for the addition of another 75mls of liquid to create an explosive which could kill multiple people or bring down the plane.
To be fair it's fairly unlikely you're limited to pretty much non nitrogen based explosives for getting past security and those range from too shit to do much damage to often too unstable for you to fully mix them and so only a small initial amount will go off and ruin the rest of the reaction properly just covering you in gunk.
Btw following this post you're all probably on some watch lists sorry ^_^
There's plenty of stuff you can carry to make an explosive liquid that could kill or maim several people and how about liquids that can incapacitate? Tear gas is very easy to make and on a plane it could be devastating.
Yes but again most explosives of a suitable power are nitrogen based which are useless for concealment we've had chemical sniffers for them for a. Very long time.
And tear gas on a plane would be pointless the air vents out of well vents in the rear of the plane with the pacs supplying free air towards the front the pilot simply would have to increase the pacs output and the gas would be vented out of the rear very quickly and couldn't flow forward toward the cockpit anyway.
And even if you did fill a plane with gear glass aside from being annoying it's not gonna seriously harm anyone.
Even a small amount of year gas could subdue an air marshall long enough for a terrorist to gain control of the cabin. The ventilation system wouldn't be able to vent all the gas that quickly. Also, try mixing hydrogen peroxide and alcohol together and see how that chemical reaction goes...
It's just a possible scenario.
Other chemical, biological,flammable liquids could be mixed and possibly cause catastrophic loss of life. It's all about limiting risk."Which again is pointless. He can't take the plane pilots can decompress it if they chose and other passengers are likely to rush the shot out of him before he can finish the air marshel assuming he doesn't incapacitate himself of course. Peroxide would be an interesting one to try an get on board it's hardly a subtle chemical. Even if he did get the air marsheels gun (q's using there is one on baord) 14 bullets isn't going to bring a plane down and as soon as it goes click he's going to be beaten to death. | |||
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" I love airports, they bring out the best and worst in people. It's hilarious watching people totally loose it and also quite lovely to see people reunited. They bring out the worst in me for sure, I become incredibly intolerant of everyone and everything, even those family reunions (if they're in my way )
I'm the same, I've actually been known to tell people off at security. Those people who put all their items back on as soon as their tray comes out instead of just picking it up and moving to a better place. Drives me insane!"Ha ha - I've actually seen a group of girls in just bra & knickers wandering through duty free carrying there clothes in their arms!!  | |||
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* For Wasp Hunter - Flight attendants may also be male or from an unspecified gender"I am more irate by people completely missing the point of the thread than I was with the women at security, our conversation was polite as being a dick wouldn't have helped anyone. I'm not fighting the rules, I'm highlighting they don't keep us safe considering 2 people can sneak 5 x 100mls through security easily, empty them into a larger container bought in duty free. But that's ok, less character assinate or talk about my metro hair products instead...or better yet, wait till done nut does something terrible and we call all come on here and question the inadequate rules then...I give up! | |||
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"No ones "missed the point" actually. The "5x" rule is to stop sufficient quantities getting through. Even "if" several met up later they would still need a container big enough to mix it all in - Notice that airside they don't exist? You can't buy large bottles of anything once you go through. And let's be honest - the moment you mentioned "hair products" and "gel" - as a guy you were opening yourself up to it on here "You never bought 1ltr bottle of buxton water before mate, or a litre of duty free??? Impossible is what it is. | |||
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"It's all very easy , if you don't like the rules no matter how strange they seem, then don't fly. Even my kids are aware they can't take bottled water through security! Would make the daily operation of the airport run a lot smoother for all if people complied with the simple instructions....... "Yet another missing the point...good morning | |||
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"I survive happily on hand luggage and decant small amounts of toiletries into the containers I bought specifically. I don't see why I should be punished although I of course would buy the basics when away if necessary. . More concerning are the connecting flights through UK airports from places with less stringent controls...some of them never police liquids. Now, if you can ensure that all airports did this, then it would be more valid a measure. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link" if that's the case then they should have to have their hand luggage checked before entering the departure lounge; I'm really surprised that this doesn't happen in the Uk, - I've flown from the UK many times via Dubai & have had my hand luggage checked every time before entering the departure lounge at Dubai ........... & yet again before boarding my onward flight! | |||
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Yet another missing the point...good morning "Errrr no I don't think so. i can't answer why you can buy 100ml plus airside which differs from the any of the above ^^ therefore may I suggest you email BAA for a detaild explanation or maybe the home office. The point I'm making is ~ it's the rules. | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming.
75mls in a 150ml container. That leaves room for the addition of another 75mls of liquid to create an explosive which could kill multiple people or bring down the plane.
To be fair it's fairly unlikely you're limited to pretty much non nitrogen based explosives for getting past security and those range from too shit to do much damage to often too unstable for you to fully mix them and so only a small initial amount will go off and ruin the rest of the reaction properly just covering you in gunk.
Btw following this post you're all probably on some watch lists sorry ^_^
There's plenty of stuff you can carry to make an explosive liquid that could kill or maim several people and how about liquids that can incapacitate? Tear gas is very easy to make and on a plane it could be devastating.
Yes but again most explosives of a suitable power are nitrogen based which are useless for concealment we've had chemical sniffers for them for a. Very long time.
And tear gas on a plane would be pointless the air vents out of well vents in the rear of the plane with the pacs supplying free air towards the front the pilot simply would have to increase the pacs output and the gas would be vented out of the rear very quickly and couldn't flow forward toward the cockpit anyway.
And even if you did fill a plane with gear glass aside from being annoying it's not gonna seriously harm anyone.
Even a small amount of year gas could subdue an air marshall long enough for a terrorist to gain control of the cabin. The ventilation system wouldn't be able to vent all the gas that quickly. Also, try mixing hydrogen peroxide and alcohol together and see how that chemical reaction goes...
It's just a possible scenario.
Other chemical, biological,flammable liquids could be mixed and possibly cause catastrophic loss of life. It's all about limiting risk.
Which again is pointless. He can't take the plane pilots can decompress it if they chose and other passengers are likely to rush the shot out of him before he can finish the air marshel assuming he doesn't incapacitate himself of course.
Peroxide would be an interesting one to try an get on board it's hardly a subtle chemical.
Even if he did get the air marsheels gun (q's using there is one on baord) 14 bullets isn't going to bring a plane down and as soon as it goes click he's going to be beaten to death."14 bullets doesn't have to bring the plane down, 14 bullets only need to kill 14 people (or maybe even 1 person) and the terrorists have succeeded and proven their point. I'm merely suggesting scenarios that would be considered when designing and implementing security restrictions at airports. They may be far fetched but terrorism is asymmetrical so security services have to think 'outside the box' or we'd be seeing a lot more explosive shoes and underpants... | |||
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Yet another missing the point...good morning "So am I. Who would want to fly with hair product?
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"9/11 changed the world aviation security wise, the terrorists may not have had bottles of bloody shampoo with them, but, it's been well proven that small amounts of liquid can be mixed to make a bomb, if you don't want to lose your liquids, put them in the hold or don't fly, simple really." You can make explosives out of solids to. And gases. | |||
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"9/11 changed the world aviation security wise, the terrorists may not have had bottles of bloody shampoo with them, but, it's been well proven that small amounts of liquid can be mixed to make a bomb, if you don't want to lose your liquids, put them in the hold or don't fly, simple really. You can make explosives out of solids to. And gases. " But at least the liquids angle is covered, yeah. One less thing for security to worry about, one less angle for a planned future terror attack & the slightly safer & happier me & 'most' passengers on a plane!! | |||
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"im sure your all taking the piss. not one of you is stupid enough not to understand the op's point. you cant take 75ml of opened but you can take 10x 100ml and buy a bigger bottle? " ... and all meet up in the toilets and start decanting into larger Evian bottle, making your 'bomb'. It's a stupid rule that ensues, as the OP flagged up, and he's right... it doesn't keep us all safe! | |||
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"Personally, I think there should be a ban on bringing any liquid airside in hand luggage (apart from medication), - Apart from infants, does anyone really need to carry any? And it would make flying a little safer, too! That then should end any of the evident confusion & delays............... though I have my doubts! "That would be a complete pain in the ass. One of my partners travels several times a month for work. Often for just two or three days at a time. He arrives at the client office straight from the airport in the morning, he often eats with them at lunchtime and then late, and then heads straight to his hotel. In the morning he's up and back to the client site... Why should he have to spend money and time (because he has to find a place that sell the stuff) in a country he doesn't know just because some people can't work out what they can take through security? On top of that, what about someone like me? I have allergies to some products that bring me out in rashes all over my body. I also have to use extremely gentle products because I have some eczema on my face. Should I just not be able to travel to anywhere that doesn't sell products with the ingredients written in English? And should I be forced to make sure I leave on a flight that gets in before lunchtime so that I can spend the first afternoon of my holiday/work trip trying to find products that don't make me want to tear my skin off? | |||
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"Personally, I think there should be a ban on bringing any liquid airside in hand luggage (apart from medication), - Apart from infants, does anyone really need to carry any? And it would make flying a little safer, too! That then should end any of the evident confusion & delays............... though I have my doubts!
That would be a complete pain in the ass.
One of my partners travels several times a month for work. Often for just two or three days at a time. He arrives at the client office straight from the airport in the morning, he often eats with them at lunchtime and then late, and then heads straight to his hotel. In the morning he's up and back to the client site...
Why should he have to spend money and time (because he has to find a place that sell the stuff) in a country he doesn't know just because some people can't work out what they can take through security?
On top of that, what about someone like me? I have allergies to some products that bring me out in rashes all over my body. I also have to use extremely gentle products because I have some eczema on my face. Should I just not be able to travel to anywhere that doesn't sell products with the ingredients written in English? And should I be forced to make sure I leave on a flight that gets in before lunchtime so that I can spend the first afternoon of my holiday/work trip trying to find products that don't make me want to tear my skin off?"Should have added - we both often travel with just hand luggage. Makes it easier and faster to get through the airport. | |||
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"Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in... And for future reference - could you not be so homophobic please mate? Thanks. What was homophobic there? Metrosexual : nope that's straight people. Jessie, nope that's wimps/cowards. Stop looking for homophobia where there isn't any. A Jessie is also a slang word for someone who is homosexual and perceived to be a wimp because he prefers to have sex with men. Language is really powerful. This kind of nasty, stereotyped language that implies 'real men' are straight, don't put product in their hair, and don't like nice haircuts, is damaging to many men. There's no proper way to be a man, contrary to what you implied." Unless you live in Yorkshire. | |||
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"Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in... And for future reference - could you not be so homophobic please mate? Thanks. What was homophobic there? Metrosexual : nope that's straight people. Jessie, nope that's wimps/cowards. Stop looking for homophobia where there isn't any. A Jessie is also a slang word for someone who is homosexual and perceived to be a wimp because he prefers to have sex with men. Language is really powerful. This kind of nasty, stereotyped language that implies 'real men' are straight, don't put product in their hair, and don't like nice haircuts, is damaging to many men. There's no proper way to be a man, contrary to what you implied." And please don't put yourself on a soapbox to "defend" gay, bi or just camp men. We don't need it. We can scratch eyes out for ourselves. Your not doing us any favours. | |||
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"This applies to airport workers as well, many times some of us have had our food taken from us as it is over the 100mls. " seen a guy in a window seat pouring a 100ml of peroxide on his egg drop soup. . . . . . . it didnt blow up. just ended up with egg on his face | |||
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"Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in... And for future reference - could you not be so homophobic please mate? Thanks. What was homophobic there? Metrosexual : nope that's straight people. Jessie, nope that's wimps/cowards. Stop looking for homophobia where there isn't any. A Jessie is also a slang word for someone who is homosexual and perceived to be a wimp because he prefers to have sex with men. Language is really powerful. This kind of nasty, stereotyped language that implies 'real men' are straight, don't put product in their hair, and don't like nice haircuts, is damaging to many men. There's no proper way to be a man, contrary to what you implied." Just so its "clear" and so you can take the rod out if your arse - "Jessie" has sod all to do with being homosexual. It is however a term for wimp/soft lad/big girls blouse. That's how it was used so considering you're the only one with an issue over it perhaps you should look again at how I used the phrase. Don't see the OP with his * **knickers in a twist..... *this is in no way discriminatory to those whose choice is to wear clothing belonging to any gender other than themselves ** see Top Pics for evidence | |||
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"im sure your all taking the piss. not one of you is stupid enough not to understand the op's point. you cant take 75ml of opened but you can take 10x 100ml and buy a bigger bottle? ... and all meet up in the toilets and start decanting into larger Evian bottle, making your 'bomb'. It's a stupid rule that ensues, as the OP flagged up, and he's right... it doesn't keep us all safe! But if you follow it we all get through check in quicker! And should you/he be the ones to make the rules?" Who said I didn't follow it?? I've never taken ANY fluids through, since they introduced this 'security measure'. Re read what OP said, he wasn't arguing about Following procedure. He was making the point that it fails to keep us all safe! | |||
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"Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in... And for future reference - could you not be so homophobic please mate? Thanks. What was homophobic there? Metrosexual : nope that's straight people. Jessie, nope that's wimps/cowards. Stop looking for homophobia where there isn't any. A Jessie is also a slang word for someone who is homosexual and perceived to be a wimp because he prefers to have sex with men. Language is really powerful. This kind of nasty, stereotyped language that implies 'real men' are straight, don't put product in their hair, and don't like nice haircuts, is damaging to many men. There's no proper way to be a man, contrary to what you implied. Just so its "clear" and so you can take the rod out if your arse - "Jessie" has sod all to do with being homosexual. It is however a term for wimp/soft lad/big girls blouse. That's how it was used so considering you're the only one with an issue over it perhaps you should look again at how I used the phrase. Don't see the OP with his * **knickers in a twist..... *this is in no way discriminatory to those whose choice is to wear clothing belonging to any gender other than themselves ** see Top Pics for evidence " | |||
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"Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in... And for future reference - could you not be so homophobic please mate? Thanks. What was homophobic there? Metrosexual : nope that's straight people. Jessie, nope that's wimps/cowards. Stop looking for homophobia where there isn't any. A Jessie is also a slang word for someone who is homosexual and perceived to be a wimp because he prefers to have sex with men. Language is really powerful. This kind of nasty, stereotyped language that implies 'real men' are straight, don't put product in their hair, and don't like nice haircuts, is damaging to many men. There's no proper way to be a man, contrary to what you implied. Just so its "clear" and so you can take the rod out if your arse - "Jessie" has sod all to do with being homosexual. It is however a term for wimp/soft lad/big girls blouse. That's how it was used so considering you're the only one with an issue over it perhaps you should look again at how I used the phrase. Don't see the OP with his * **knickers in a twist..... *this is in no way discriminatory to those whose choice is to wear clothing belonging to any gender other than themselves ** see Top Pics for evidence " you know whats homophobic? that nobody says diddley when there's a Mccarthyesq which hunt for a rascist when there isn't one there. | |||
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"Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in... And for future reference - could you not be so homophobic please mate? Thanks. What was homophobic there? Metrosexual : nope that's straight people. Jessie, nope that's wimps/cowards. Stop looking for homophobia where there isn't any. A Jessie is also a slang word for someone who is homosexual and perceived to be a wimp because he prefers to have sex with men. Language is really powerful. This kind of nasty, stereotyped language that implies 'real men' are straight, don't put product in their hair, and don't like nice haircuts, is damaging to many men. There's no proper way to be a man, contrary to what you implied. And please don't put yourself on a soapbox to "defend" gay, bi or just camp men. We don't need it. We can scratch eyes out for ourselves. Your not doing us any favours." Defending myself, as a genderqueer individual. Who has been mistaken for a man and called a 'fucking jessie' before because I didn't stand up to their ideas of what men are, and because I was being intimate with a man. It's not nice. | |||
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"Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in... And for future reference - could you not be so homophobic please mate? Thanks. What was homophobic there? Metrosexual : nope that's straight people. Jessie, nope that's wimps/cowards. Stop looking for homophobia where there isn't any. A Jessie is also a slang word for someone who is homosexual and perceived to be a wimp because he prefers to have sex with men. Language is really powerful. This kind of nasty, stereotyped language that implies 'real men' are straight, don't put product in their hair, and don't like nice haircuts, is damaging to many men. There's no proper way to be a man, contrary to what you implied. And please don't put yourself on a soapbox to "defend" gay, bi or just camp men. We don't need it. We can scratch eyes out for ourselves. Your not doing us any favours. Defending myself, as a genderqueer individual. Who has been mistaken for a man and called a 'fucking jessie' before because I didn't stand up to their ideas of what men are, and because I was being intimate with a man. It's not nice." The "Jessie" remark wasn't aimed at you. Stop fighting other peoples battles when they haven't asked for you to do so. | |||
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"im sure your all taking the piss. not one of you is stupid enough not to understand the op's point. you cant take 75ml of opened but you can take 10x 100ml and buy a bigger bottle? ... and all meet up in the toilets and start decanting into larger Evian bottle, making your 'bomb'. It's a stupid rule that ensues, as the OP flagged up, and he's right... it doesn't keep us all safe! But if you follow it we all get through check in quicker! And should you/he be the ones to make the rules? Who said I didn't follow it?? I've never taken ANY fluids through, since they introduced this 'security measure'. Re read what OP said, he wasn't arguing about Following procedure. He was making the point that it fails to keep us all safe! " I have read what the Op said and he is the one missing the point and so are you. He was not stopped for the size of the bottle as such but because of 'that' liquid inside the bottle which could have been combined with others. How is the security guy to know what it is? Do you? No it doesn't keep us safe but maybe a little safer eh | |||
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"im sure your all taking the piss. not one of you is stupid enough not to understand the op's point. you cant take 75ml of opened but you can take 10x 100ml and buy a bigger bottle? ... and all meet up in the toilets and start decanting into larger Evian bottle, making your 'bomb'. It's a stupid rule that ensues, as the OP flagged up, and he's right... it doesn't keep us all safe! But if you follow it we all get through check in quicker! And should you/he be the ones to make the rules? Who said I didn't follow it?? I've never taken ANY fluids through, since they introduced this 'security measure'. Re read what OP said, he wasn't arguing about Following procedure. He was making the point that it fails to keep us all safe! I have read what the Op said and he is the one missing the point and so are you. He was not stopped for the size of the bottle as such but because of 'that' liquid inside the bottle which could have been combined with others. How is the security guy to know what it is? Do you? No it doesn't keep us safe but maybe a little safer eh" Lol. I'm not even talking about THAT person!! | |||
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids"just people who fly. | |||
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids
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No, for goodness sake. It was the fact that it was OPEN and how would anybody then know what the liquid actually was? Like I said "You can bring open bottles of liquid through with hand luggage. I've been using the same containers for years. I top them up from the big bottles of product I have at home before travelling. | |||
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids"HE might have been talking about the OP. But, I wasn't. My comment was to another 'OP', and specific to his comment (and only his) about how various people could all take through a number of 100ml bottles (all full) meet up airside, buy a larger bottle of Evian... or Buxton and start decanting in the toilets trying to make a 'bomb'. I wish I'd never commented in the first place | |||
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids
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No, for goodness sake. It was the fact that it was OPEN and how would anybody then know what the liquid actually was? Like I said
You can have an open bottle of liquid - providing the bottle itself is no larger than 100ml"How many of those can you have? | |||
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids
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No, for goodness sake. It was the fact that it was OPEN and how would anybody then know what the liquid actually was? Like I said
You can have an open bottle of liquid - providing the bottle itself is no larger than 100ml
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids
just people who fly.
In one bottle?
no, in 100ml bottles. but the op had 75ml. so it must of been the size of the bottle like I said
No, for goodness sake. It was the fact that it was OPEN and how would anybody then know what the liquid actually was? Like I said
You can have an open bottle of liquid - providing the bottle itself is no larger than 100ml
How many of those can you have?"Total volume of liquid no more than 1000ml in containers not exceeding 100ml in size - which must fit comfortably inside a clear plastic bag (of approx size 20cm x 20cm) - which must be sealed (zip or slide lock - not tied at the top) | |||
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"re re read the op. he was. your allowed a litre of liquids. it was simply because of the size of the bottle. Who's allowed a litre of liquids
just people who fly.
In one bottle?
no, in 100ml bottles. but the op had 75ml. so it must of been the size of the bottle like I said
No, for goodness sake. It was the fact that it was OPEN and how would anybody then know what the liquid actually was? Like I said
You can have an open bottle of liquid - providing the bottle itself is no larger than 100ml
How many of those can you have?
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"No ones "missed the point" actually. The "5x" rule is to stop sufficient quantities getting through. Even "if" several met up later they would still need a container big enough to mix it all in - Notice that airside they don't exist? You can't buy large bottles of anything once you go through. And let's be honest - the moment you mentioned "hair products" and "gel" - as a guy you were opening yourself up to it on here
You never bought 1ltr bottle of buxton water before mate, or a litre of duty free???
Impossible is what it is. "Van you take that stuff on board in hand luggage? I'd have thought a 1 liter glass bottle would have been more of a weapon than any fluids | |||
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"Personally, I think there should be a ban on bringing any liquid airside in hand luggage (apart from medication), - Apart from infants, does anyone really need to carry any? And it would make flying a little safer, too! That then should end any of the evident confusion & delays............... though I have my doubts!
That would be a complete pain in the ass.
One of my partners travels several times a month for work. Often for just two or three days at a time. He arrives at the client office straight from the airport in the morning, he often eats with them at lunchtime and then late, and then heads straight to his hotel. In the morning he's up and back to the client site...
Why should he have to spend money and time (because he has to find a place that sell the stuff) in a country he doesn't know just because some people can't work out what they can take through security?
On top of that, what about someone like me? I have allergies to some products that bring me out in rashes all over my body. I also have to use extremely gentle products because I have some eczema on my face. Should I just not be able to travel to anywhere that doesn't sell products with the ingredients written in English? And should I be forced to make sure I leave on a flight that gets in before lunchtime so that I can spend the first afternoon of my holiday/work trip trying to find products that don't make me want to tear my skin off?
Should have added - we both often travel with just hand luggage. Makes it easier and faster to get through the airport."And I have an allergy to being 30,000ft in the sky during a terrorist attack ........... what a pain! | |||
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"No ones "missed the point" actually. The "5x" rule is to stop sufficient quantities getting through. Even "if" several met up later they would still need a container big enough to mix it all in - Notice that airside they don't exist? You can't buy large bottles of anything once you go through. And let's be honest - the moment you mentioned "hair products" and "gel" - as a guy you were opening yourself up to it on here
You never bought 1ltr bottle of buxton water before mate, or a litre of duty free???
Impossible is what it is.
Van you take that stuff on board in hand luggage?
I'd have thought a 1 liter glass bottle would have been more of a weapon than any fluids"You clearly don't understand what liquid explosive can do within a pressurized aircraft compartment at 30,000ft. | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming.
75mls in a 150ml container. That leaves room for the addition of another 75mls of liquid to create an explosive which could kill multiple people or bring down the plane.
To be fair it's fairly unlikely you're limited to pretty much non nitrogen based explosives for getting past security and those range from too shit to do much damage to often too unstable for you to fully mix them and so only a small initial amount will go off and ruin the rest of the reaction properly just covering you in gunk.
Btw following this post you're all probably on some watch lists sorry ^_^
There's plenty of stuff you can carry to make an explosive liquid that could kill or maim several people and how about liquids that can incapacitate? Tear gas is very easy to make and on a plane it could be devastating.
Yes but again most explosives of a suitable power are nitrogen based which are useless for concealment we've had chemical sniffers for them for a. Very long time.
And tear gas on a plane would be pointless the air vents out of well vents in the rear of the plane with the pacs supplying free air towards the front the pilot simply would have to increase the pacs output and the gas would be vented out of the rear very quickly and couldn't flow forward toward the cockpit anyway.
And even if you did fill a plane with gear glass aside from being annoying it's not gonna seriously harm anyone.
Even a small amount of year gas could subdue an air marshall long enough for a terrorist to gain control of the cabin. The ventilation system wouldn't be able to vent all the gas that quickly. Also, try mixing hydrogen peroxide and alcohol together and see how that chemical reaction goes...
It's just a possible scenario.
Other chemical, biological,flammable liquids could be mixed and possibly cause catastrophic loss of life. It's all about limiting risk.
Which again is pointless. He can't take the plane pilots can decompress it if they chose and other passengers are likely to rush the shot out of him before he can finish the air marshel assuming he doesn't incapacitate himself of course.
Peroxide would be an interesting one to try an get on board it's hardly a subtle chemical.
Even if he did get the air marsheels gun (q's using there is one on baord) 14 bullets isn't going to bring a plane down and as soon as it goes click he's going to be beaten to death.
14 bullets doesn't have to bring the plane down, 14 bullets only need to kill 14 people (or maybe even 1 person) and the terrorists have succeeded and proven their point.
I'm merely suggesting scenarios that would be considered when designing and implementing security restrictions at airports. They may be far fetched but terrorism is asymmetrical so security services have to think 'outside the box' or we'd be seeing a lot more explosive shoes and underpants..."But they haven't really proven their point you want to kill 14 random people go take a car and drive through the local pedestrian zone on a Saturday afternoon you'll get way more than 14 for a lot less risk. If you're going for a plane it's either to bring it down or to use it as a weapon. Airport security isn't all that fussed about a few dead passengers all they're there for is the plane. Plus it's really hard to recruit someone on the "right your gonna get his gun kill a few then you're going to be beaten, captured, tortured and stuck it git mo for the rest of you unbearable lifea" Comers red to some glorious fireball exit of a strike against the enemy | |||
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"Now get a proper haircut instead of looking like a metrosexual Jessie and there'll be no need to take hair products whatever size container it's in... And for future reference - could you not be so homophobic please mate? Thanks. What was homophobic there? Metrosexual : nope that's straight people. Jessie, nope that's wimps/cowards. Stop looking for homophobia where there isn't any. A Jessie is also a slang word for someone who is homosexual and perceived to be a wimp because he prefers to have sex with men. Language is really powerful. This kind of nasty, stereotyped language that implies 'real men' are straight, don't put product in their hair, and don't like nice haircuts, is damaging to many men. There's no proper way to be a man, contrary to what you implied." Thought you lived in the north Jessie has never meant guy up here. Or are you thinking maybe of American TV programs never heard anyone gay called Jessie. You can be gay and a Jessie or straight and a Jessie it had nothing to do with who you stick your cock in its if your a massive wimp or not. .also gain he even said metrosexual which is typically straight | |||
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"No ones "missed the point" actually. The "5x" rule is to stop sufficient quantities getting through. Even "if" several met up later they would still need a container big enough to mix it all in - Notice that airside they don't exist? You can't buy large bottles of anything once you go through. And let's be honest - the moment you mentioned "hair products" and "gel" - as a guy you were opening yourself up to it on here
You never bought 1ltr bottle of buxton water before mate, or a litre of duty free???
Impossible is what it is.
Van you take that stuff on board in hand luggage?
I'd have thought a 1 liter glass bottle would have been more of a weapon than any fluids
You clearly don't understand what liquid explosive can do within a pressurized aircraft compartment at 30,000ft."I do but what I mean is given the most deadly attack in terrorist history wasn't carried out with guns or explosives but small sharp pointy things I'm more surprised you can take glass bottles on board than anything | |||
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"..." But they haven't really proven their point you want to kill 14 random people go take a car and drive through the local pedestrian zone on a Saturday afternoon you'll get way more than 14 for a lot less risk. If you're going for a plane it's either to bring it down or to use it as a weapon. Airport security isn't all that fussed about a few dead passengers all they're there for is the planes. But that isn't really the whole story, is. 14 people die on a plane & that airline & many others may well be grounded or airports closed etc... - has a huge commercial blow to whichever country Another example is - it's not just the murdering of a few dozen tourists on a Tunisian beach, it's the 15% of GDP that tourism brings Tunisia & is in serious jeopardy which empowers IS." ...and in doing so, destabilises the country, making it easier for IS to infiltrate. | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
"but I'm not a terrorist, the rules shouldn't apply to me"""Ah, I see sir, you're one of those freedom fighters... so sorry to have inconvenienced you... on your way now, sir. Oh, don't forget this nitro, or your AK47, sir. Safe journey, sir, enjoy the flight. Have a nice day." | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming.
75mls in a 150ml container. That leaves room for the addition of another 75mls of liquid to create an explosive which could kill multiple people or bring down the plane.
To be fair it's fairly unlikely you're limited to pretty much non nitrogen based explosives for getting past security and those range from too shit to do much damage to often too unstable for you to fully mix them and so only a small initial amount will go off and ruin the rest of the reaction properly just covering you in gunk.
Btw following this post you're all probably on some watch lists sorry ^_^
There's plenty of stuff you can carry to make an explosive liquid that could kill or maim several people and how about liquids that can incapacitate? Tear gas is very easy to make and on a plane it could be devastating.
Yes but again most explosives of a suitable power are nitrogen based which are useless for concealment we've had chemical sniffers for them for a. Very long time.
And tear gas on a plane would be pointless the air vents out of well vents in the rear of the plane with the pacs supplying free air towards the front the pilot simply would have to increase the pacs output and the gas would be vented out of the rear very quickly and couldn't flow forward toward the cockpit anyway.
And even if you did fill a plane with gear glass aside from being annoying it's not gonna seriously harm anyone.
Even a small amount of year gas could subdue an air marshall long enough for a terrorist to gain control of the cabin. The ventilation system wouldn't be able to vent all the gas that quickly. Also, try mixing hydrogen peroxide and alcohol together and see how that chemical reaction goes...
It's just a possible scenario.
Other chemical, biological,flammable liquids could be mixed and possibly cause catastrophic loss of life. It's all about limiting risk.
Which again is pointless. He can't take the plane pilots can decompress it if they chose and other passengers are likely to rush the shot out of him before he can finish the air marshel assuming he doesn't incapacitate himself of course.
Peroxide would be an interesting one to try an get on board it's hardly a subtle chemical.
Even if he did get the air marsheels gun (q's using there is one on baord) 14 bullets isn't going to bring a plane down and as soon as it goes click he's going to be beaten to death.
14 bullets doesn't have to bring the plane down, 14 bullets only need to kill 14 people (or maybe even 1 person) and the terrorists have succeeded and proven their point.
I'm merely suggesting scenarios that would be considered when designing and implementing security restrictions at airports. They may be far fetched but terrorism is asymmetrical so security services have to think 'outside the box' or we'd be seeing a lot more explosive shoes and underpants...
But they haven't really proven their point you want to kill 14 random people go take a car and drive through the local pedestrian zone on a Saturday afternoon you'll get way more than 14 for a lot less risk.
If you're going for a plane it's either to bring it down or to use it as a weapon. Airport security isn't all that fussed about a few dead passengers all they're there for is the plane.
Plus it's really hard to recruit someone on the "right your gonna get his gun kill a few then you're going to be beaten, captured, tortured and stuck it git mo for the rest of you unbearable lifea"
Comers red to some glorious fireball exit of a strike against the enemy"Yes, they could take a car and kill people, a lot of people and it would be very easy. But, it possibly wouldn't be major international news and it wouldn't strike as much fear in people because it's so such an easy task to complete. The reason they target planes is because it's so hard, it's proves they have the ability to get past any security we put in place. Remember terrorism isn't just the act of carrying out an atrocity - it's the fear it instills in your target population and the negative impact it can also have upon various industries, tourism for example. | |||
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"Even after a decade, some people just don't get it!! *bangs head on wall
It's you who doesn't get it....maybe you've banged your head too often....I was refused 75mls at the airport an only wanted clarification why.
With the answer I realized I'm not safe at all under current liquid rules- but yes lets not question things and blindly March over the cliff because a queue may be forming.
75mls in a 150ml container. That leaves room for the addition of another 75mls of liquid to create an explosive which could kill multiple people or bring down the plane.
To be fair it's fairly unlikely you're limited to pretty much non nitrogen based explosives for getting past security and those range from too shit to do much damage to often too unstable for you to fully mix them and so only a small initial amount will go off and ruin the rest of the reaction properly just covering you in gunk.
Btw following this post you're all probably on some watch lists sorry ^_^
There's plenty of stuff you can carry to make an explosive liquid that could kill or maim several people and how about liquids that can incapacitate? Tear gas is very easy to make and on a plane it could be devastating.
Yes but again most explosives of a suitable power are nitrogen based which are useless for concealment we've had chemical sniffers for them for a. Very long time.
And tear gas on a plane would be pointless the air vents out of well vents in the rear of the plane with the pacs supplying free air towards the front the pilot simply would have to increase the pacs output and the gas would be vented out of the rear very quickly and couldn't flow forward toward the cockpit anyway.
And even if you did fill a plane with gear glass aside from being annoying it's not gonna seriously harm anyone.
Even a small amount of year gas could subdue an air marshall long enough for a terrorist to gain control of the cabin. The ventilation system wouldn't be able to vent all the gas that quickly. Also, try mixing hydrogen peroxide and alcohol together and see how that chemical reaction goes...
It's just a possible scenario.
Other chemical, biological,flammable liquids could be mixed and possibly cause catastrophic loss of life. It's all about limiting risk.
Which again is pointless. He can't take the plane pilots can decompress it if they chose and other passengers are likely to rush the shot out of him before he can finish the air marshel assuming he doesn't incapacitate himself of course.
Peroxide would be an interesting one to try an get on board it's hardly a subtle chemical.
Even if he did get the air marsheels gun (q's using there is one on baord) 14 bullets isn't going to bring a plane down and as soon as it goes click he's going to be beaten to death.
14 bullets doesn't have to bring the plane down, 14 bullets only need to kill 14 people (or maybe even 1 person) and the terrorists have succeeded and proven their point.
I'm merely suggesting scenarios that would be considered when designing and implementing security restrictions at airports. They may be far fetched but terrorism is asymmetrical so security services have to think 'outside the box' or we'd be seeing a lot more explosive shoes and underpants...
But they haven't really proven their point you want to kill 14 random people go take a car and drive through the local pedestrian zone on a Saturday afternoon you'll get way more than 14 for a lot less risk.
If you're going for a plane it's either to bring it down or to use it as a weapon. Airport security isn't all that fussed about a few dead passengers all they're there for is the plane.
Plus it's really hard to recruit someone on the "right your gonna get his gun kill a few then you're going to be beaten, captured, tortured and stuck it git mo for the rest of you unbearable lifea"
Comers red to some glorious fireball exit of a strike against the enemy
Yes, they could take a car and kill people, a lot of people and it would be very easy. But, it possibly wouldn't be major international news and it wouldn't strike as much fear in people because it's so such an easy task to complete. The reason they target planes is because it's so hard, it's proves they have the ability to get past any security we put in place. Remember terrorism isn't just the act of carrying out an atrocity - it's the fear it instills in your target population and the negative impact it can also have upon various industries, tourism for example." | |||
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"We need profiling - the Isrealis do it and no Israeli aircraft has ever been hijacked, blown up as far as I know. And they've got very good at it since the hijackings in the 70s. Sure it will offend some people, but white Caucasian, blue rinsed middle aged grannies are not typically suicide bombers. We are more at risk than ever and the current measures are just sticking plaster. " al aqsa martyrs brigade, red brigade, blue rinse brigade. need I say any more? | |||
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"We need profiling - the Isrealis do it and no Israeli aircraft has ever been hijacked, blown up as far as I know. And they've got very good at it since the hijackings in the 70s. Sure it will offend some people, but white Caucasian, blue rinsed middle aged grannies are not typically suicide bombers. We are more at risk than ever and the current measures are just sticking plaster. " They don't just use profiling though and their own security screening is far more intrusive (and takes longer) than the screening we have now. Those grannies would be prime targets for that nice man they buy their greengrocery off "Oh your going to Florida, can you take this birthday present for my dear little grand-daughter" | |||
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