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"He's a brilliantly clever publicity grabber. " When he wants it. There's a lot of stuff in his background - support for paedophile activists, PIE etc - that he's very shy of. | |||
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"Discriminating on political grounds is the 'worst' kind of discrimination is it? I should say it is the only reasonable form of discrimination on occasion. " Certainly Hitler was a fan of political discrimination . To be civil to someone of different political views is the basis of democracy. | |||
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"Perhaps I misunderstand you, but you seem to be disagreeing with me and citing Hitler into the bargain. Hitler and his supporters discriminated against people on grounds of ethnicity, religion, sexuality and disability. I would say this is therefore an occasion when it is reasonable to discriminate against Hitler and his right wing fascist supporters on account of their political views, wouldn't you? Or do you think this a worse form of discrimination than all of Hitlers grounds? I don't know why Tatchell is against UKIP, but they do have a lot of bigots and former BNP supporters in their ranks and it may be linked to this." UKIP bans former BNP members from joining, seems you've been had by the mainstream media mudslinging at UKIP and fell for it hook, line and sinker. | |||
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"... Care to speculate who the 562,000 shifted their vote to? " Conservative? | |||
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"... Care to speculate who the 562,000 shifted their vote to? Conservative? " Could be right there Josie. | |||
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" The worst kind of discrimination by Peter Tatchell and Gay Pride? " No, it's clearly not the worst kind of discrimination. It's not worse than some of the awful things UKIP members have said, for a start. | |||
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"They're pretty homophobic as a party, so can understand that they may face hostility etc. If the participants distanced themselves from the Ukip anti-gay policies, it would be a real step towards integration at a day's events that are fun, open and not based on any hateful agenda. I have ukip fairly distasteful so don't closely expose myself to their tripe." UKIP has had openly gay election and council candidates before, and which party do gay people go to if they want Britain out of the EU, if not to UKIP? | |||
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"Labour? It would make an ass of me and you to assume you can't be ukip and homosexual. Same as ukip and left wing." Pretty sure there are bigoted people in all political parties, so the holier than thou attitude from some here really does'nt wash with me. | |||
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"They're pretty homophobic as a party, so can understand that they may face hostility etc. If the participants distanced themselves from the Ukip anti-gay policies, it would be a real step towards integration at a day's events that are fun, open and not based on any hateful agenda. I have ukip fairly distasteful so don't closely expose myself to their tripe. UKIP has had openly gay election and council candidates before, and which party do gay people go to if they want Britain out of the EU, if not to UKIP? " They've had gay people up etc but comments by the party, including policies that support people making prejudiced anti gay behaviour, are not pro-gay, at a party level. Their hiv comments were some of the most hateful i've heard in an election campaign too. | |||
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"maybe because the offical ukip policy is that they are against Gay "marriage" people took offence to them being part of something that promotes equality.... just a thought...." Tatchell promotes equality by banning people? Way to go. | |||
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"maybe because the offical ukip policy is that they are against Gay "marriage" people took offence to them being part of something that promotes equality.... just a thought...." I thought ukip were raising legitimate concerns about priests right to freedom of conscience, if you want to equate that as being anti Gay then that's your interpretation of it. | |||
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"I agree about Peter Tatchell, who ought to be the sort of person awarded a knighthood. He has been a giant of a mover, on many fronts, for no personal gain. It was a gay pride committee who took the decision and likely a right wing gutter press who blackened his name. He has spoken of his misgivings about the decision. Have the lgnt ukip folk spoken out against their party's policy and prejudices?" On Radio 2 this week, Tatchell spoke very clearly about his prejudicial views and why he was happy to have this UKIP LGBT group banned. Nothing to do with H&S. | |||
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"It's a GLTB pride event, don't see why UKip have to make themselves stand out as gay UKippers, they can just go as GLTB and no need to mention they are also UKip." They don't want to stand out, they want equality and to stand alongside some 200 other groups organised to march behind their own sub-banner. Would it be a stretch to guess that the Tories are likewise banned? | |||
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"It's a GLTB pride event, don't see why UKip have to make themselves stand out as gay UKippers, they can just go as GLTB and no need to mention they are also UKip. They don't want to stand out, they want equality and to stand alongside some 200 other groups organised to march behind their own sub-banner. Would it be a stretch to guess that the Tories are likewise banned? " Other right wing parties have been banned. | |||
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"It's a GLTB pride event, don't see why UKip have to make themselves stand out as gay UKippers, they can just go as GLTB and no need to mention they are also UKip. They don't want to stand out, they want equality and to stand alongside some 200 other groups organised to march behind their own sub-banner. Would it be a stretch to guess that the Tories are likewise banned? Other right wing parties have been banned." Ha ha, all preferences should be legal and mandatory, unless they're not my preferences. Equality and non-discrimination : Do one. lol I'm amazed the Councils aren't withdrawing permission to march en masse. | |||
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"maybe because the offical ukip policy is that they are against Gay "marriage" people took offence to them being part of something that promotes equality.... just a thought.... I thought ukip were raising legitimate concerns about priests right to freedom of conscience, if you want to equate that as being anti Gay then that's your interpretation of it. " How about Tom Booker's interpretation then? Earlier this year he stepped down from his position as Founder-Chairman of LGBT in UKIP, and resigned his membership of UKIP, due to "disillusionment of policy direction and dissatisfaction at the failure of the leadership to set a gay-friendly tone.” | |||
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"maybe because the offical ukip policy is that they are against Gay "marriage" people took offence to them being part of something that promotes equality.... just a thought...." The why don't Gay Pride organisers have the guts to say UKIP are being banned on political grounds rather than say they are banned on health and safety grounds. They are just hypocrites, this shows it is time the Gay Pride march was totally banned. | |||
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"maybe because the offical ukip policy is that they are against Gay "marriage" people took offence to them being part of something that promotes equality.... just a thought.... The why don't Gay Pride organisers have the guts to say UKIP are being banned on political grounds rather than say they are banned on health and safety grounds. They are just hypocrites, this shows it is time the Gay Pride march was totally banned. " Why should Pride be banned? | |||
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"I would not want them there, they are a really homophobic party, against gay marriage etc compared gay people to paedofiles e.t.c It like at a black rights march the KKK say they want to join they march, to join black rights. It's a indirect slap in the face to gay people. and they can they say they are being discriminated againast" So you can't be homosexual and a ukip supporter? | |||
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"I would not want them there, they are a really homophobic party, against gay marriage etc compared gay people to paedofiles e.t.c It like at a black rights march the KKK say they want to join they march, to join black rights. It's a indirect slap in the face to gay people. and they can they say they are being discriminated againast So you can't be homosexual and a ukip supporter?" you could be but it's like when you see a black member in the BNP, who might i say tried to recruit me | |||
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"Perhaps I misunderstand you, but you seem to be disagreeing with me and citing Hitler into the bargain. Hitler and his supporters discriminated against people on grounds of ethnicity, religion, sexuality and disability. I would say this is therefore an occasion when it is reasonable to discriminate against Hitler and his right wing fascist supporters on account of their political views, wouldn't you? Or do you think this a worse form of discrimination than all of Hitlers grounds? I don't know why Tatchell is against UKIP, but they do have a lot of bigots and former BNP supporters in their ranks and it may be linked to this. UKIP bans former BNP members from joining, seems you've been had by the mainstream media mudslinging at UKIP and fell for it hook, line and sinker. " | |||
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"Discriminating on political grounds is the 'worst' kind of discrimination is it? I should say it is the only reasonable form of discrimination on occasion. Certainly Hitler was a fan of political discrimination . To be civil to someone of different political views is the basis of democracy." Game Over as soon as Hitler is brought into comparison. | |||
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". UKIP bans former BNP members from joining, seems you've been had by the mainstream media mudslinging at UKIP and fell for it hook, line and sinker. " So your saying UKIP discriminate on political grounds and are complaining they're being discriminated against on political grounds? | |||
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"Discriminating on political grounds is the 'worst' kind of discrimination is it? I should say it is the only reasonable form of discrimination on occasion. Certainly Hitler was a fan of political discrimination . To be civil to someone of different political views is the basis of democracy. Game Over as soon as Hitler is brought into comparison." Well Godwins law takes far too long normally. | |||
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"maybe because the offical ukip policy is that they are against Gay "marriage" people took offence to them being part of something that promotes equality.... just a thought.... The why don't Gay Pride organisers have the guts to say UKIP are being banned on political grounds rather than say they are banned on health and safety grounds. They are just hypocrites, this shows it is time the Gay Pride march was totally banned. Why should Pride be banned? " Bcesause this fiasco has proved beyond all doubt Gay Pride is not about equality, it is not about rights it is just another group out to make trouble in the country. The disruptive tactics being used are similar to those used to create civil unrest. | |||
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"maybe because the offical ukip policy is that they are against Gay "marriage" people took offence to them being part of something that promotes equality.... just a thought.... The why don't Gay Pride organisers have the guts to say UKIP are being banned on political grounds rather than say they are banned on health and safety grounds. They are just hypocrites, this shows it is time the Gay Pride march was totally banned. Why should Pride be banned? Bcesause this fiasco has proved beyond all doubt Gay Pride is not about equality, it is not about rights it is just another group out to make trouble in the country. The disruptive tactics being used are similar to those used to create civil unrest." So you're equally opposed to ukip banning former bnp members yes? | |||
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"maybe because the offical ukip policy is that they are against Gay "marriage" people took offence to them being part of something that promotes equality.... just a thought.... The why don't Gay Pride organisers have the guts to say UKIP are being banned on political grounds rather than say they are banned on health and safety grounds. They are just hypocrites, this shows it is time the Gay Pride march was totally banned. Why should Pride be banned? Bcesause this fiasco has proved beyond all doubt Gay Pride is not about equality, it is not about rights it is just another group out to make trouble in the country. The disruptive tactics being used are similar to those used to create civil unrest. So you're equally opposed to ukip banning former bnp members yes?" Key difference is ukip are not organising a March with the main emphasis being on equality are they? Has Tatchell banned the BNP from attending or is it only ukip he has a problem with? | |||
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"I would not want them there, they are a really homophobic party, against gay marriage etc compared gay people to paedofiles e.t.c It like at a black rights march the KKK say they want to join they march, to join black rights. It's a indirect slap in the face to gay people. and they can they say they are being discriminated againast" You're talking bullshit. There are many differing views among UKIP supporters , same as there are among Labour and Tory supporters but they are discussed, argued about and generally brought out in the open. Sometimes by the party which doesn't suppress opinions in the same way other parties do and often due to media and political bias. many of the more unsavoury comments came from people who are no longer in the party but the media and political opponents keep dragging it up. As for those asking why LGBT kippers had to identify themselves as such, well it's obvious. Pride in the fact that they are part of UKIP and contrary to what many people and organisations would have you believe, most kippers are fully supportive of their involvement. | |||
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" It's gonna be fun when the future Conservative Lord Mayor of London, a Mr Sol Campbell, is barred from the Pride March by the likes of the prejudiced and discriminatory Tatchell. " Lord Mayor is a different post. | |||
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" It's gonna be fun when the future Conservative Lord Mayor of London, a Mr Sol Campbell, is barred from the Pride March by the likes of the prejudiced and discriminatory Tatchell. Lord Mayor is a different post. " Isn't it a unique post, Lord Mayor of London? Unless the craft Canucks maintain similar functions. | |||
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"Sorry for living in the real world x" I'd bet that the Gay UKIP'ers though they lived in the real, modern world. Obviously not the real world "according to Tacthell" and the likes. | |||
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"maybe because the offical ukip policy is that they are against Gay "marriage" people took offence to them being part of something that promotes equality.... just a thought.... The why don't Gay Pride organisers have the guts to say UKIP are being banned on political grounds rather than say they are banned on health and safety grounds. They are just hypocrites, this shows it is time the Gay Pride march was totally banned. Why should Pride be banned? Bcesause this fiasco has proved beyond all doubt Gay Pride is not about equality, it is not about rights it is just another group out to make trouble in the country. The disruptive tactics being used are similar to those used to create civil unrest. So you're equally opposed to ukip banning former bnp members yes? Key difference is ukip are not organising a March with the main emphasis being on equality are they? Has Tatchell banned the BNP from attending or is it only ukip he has a problem with? " Ah right so you've actually got no problem whatsoever with people being discriminated against because of their political beliefs except when it's you who's being discriminated against. interesting | |||
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" It's gonna be fun when the future Conservative Lord Mayor of London, a Mr Sol Campbell, is barred from the Pride March by the likes of the prejudiced and discriminatory Tatchell. Lord Mayor is a different post. Isn't it a unique post, Lord Mayor of London? Unless the craft Canucks maintain similar functions. " Lord Mayor is selected by the City. Mayor of London is elected by the people. Campbell is hoping to be selected by the Tories to be elected. | |||
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" It's gonna be fun when the future Conservative Lord Mayor of London, a Mr Sol Campbell, is barred from the Pride March by the likes of the prejudiced and discriminatory Tatchell. Lord Mayor is a different post. Isn't it a unique post, Lord Mayor of London? Unless the craft Canucks maintain similar functions. Lord Mayor is selected by the City. Mayor of London is elected by the people. Campbell is hoping to be selected by the Tories to be elected. " Yeah, i know all that. Aside from the fact that he's realistically virtually no chance whatsoever, if he did become the Tory candidate and if the electorate then voted for him, he'd preside over a body giving permission to hold a March from which he himself was barred. Sweet. | |||
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"maybe because the offical ukip policy is that they are against Gay "marriage" people took offence to them being part of something that promotes equality.... just a thought.... The why don't Gay Pride organisers have the guts to say UKIP are being banned on political grounds rather than say they are banned on health and safety grounds. They are just hypocrites, this shows it is time the Gay Pride march was totally banned. Why should Pride be banned? Bcesause this fiasco has proved beyond all doubt Gay Pride is not about equality, it is not about rights it is just another group out to make trouble in the country. The disruptive tactics being used are similar to those used to create civil unrest. So you're equally opposed to ukip banning former bnp members yes? Key difference is ukip are not organising a March with the main emphasis being on equality are they? Has Tatchell banned the BNP from attending or is it only ukip he has a problem with? Ah right so you've actually got no problem whatsoever with people being discriminated against because of their political beliefs except when it's you who's being discriminated against. interesting" I'm not Gay though so it's not me who is being discriminated against, it is the Gay ukippers. | |||
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" Wonder if Tatchell's real reason is that he's pissed that none of the UKIP MP's are gay. How dare they all be straight. The Green MP? Any tendancies there? " UKIP MPs? Since when did they have more than one? As for MEPs, how about David Coburn? | |||
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" Wonder if Tatchell's real reason is that he's pissed that none of the UKIP MP's are gay. How dare they all be straight. The Green MP? Any tendancies there? UKIP MPs? Since when did they have more than one? As for MEPs, how about David Coburn?" They had 2 MP's before the election, Mark Reckless and Douglas Carswel. Also more MEP's than any other party at the moment. | |||
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" Wonder if Tatchell's real reason is that he's pissed that none of the UKIP MP's are gay. How dare they all be straight. The Green MP? Any tendancies there? UKIP MPs? Since when did they have more than one? As for MEPs, how about David Coburn? They had 2 MP's before the election, Mark Reckless and Douglas Carswel. Also more MEP's than any other party at the moment. " So now it's not just the facts that you lot are having problems keeping straight. | |||
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"maybe because the offical ukip policy is that they are against Gay "marriage" people took offence to them being part of something that promotes equality.... just a thought.... The why don't Gay Pride organisers have the guts to say UKIP are being banned on political grounds rather than say they are banned on health and safety grounds. They are just hypocrites, this shows it is time the Gay Pride march was totally banned. Why should Pride be banned? Bcesause this fiasco has proved beyond all doubt Gay Pride is not about equality, it is not about rights it is just another group out to make trouble in the country. The disruptive tactics being used are similar to those used to create civil unrest. So you're equally opposed to ukip banning former bnp members yes? Key difference is ukip are not organising a March with the main emphasis being on equality are they? Has Tatchell banned the BNP from attending or is it only ukip he has a problem with? Ah right so you've actually got no problem whatsoever with people being discriminated against because of their political beliefs except when it's you who's being discriminated against. interesting I'm not Gay though so it's not me who is being discriminated against, it is the Gay ukippers. " But you don't care that they're guy you care that they're ukipers. | |||
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" Wonder if Tatchell's real reason is that he's pissed that none of the UKIP MP's are gay. How dare they all be straight. The Green MP? Any tendancies there? UKIP MPs? Since when did they have more than one? As for MEPs, how about David Coburn? They had 2 MP's before the election, Mark Reckless and Douglas Carswel. Also more MEP's than any other party at the moment. " As the most popular party at the Euro elections, they would gain the most MEP's. Maybe they should organise their own March and exclude those left wing, deicriminatory gays like left winger Tatchell. For balance, they could have their LGBT group marching at the front, with their biggest baddest butchest guy holding a banner titled "Fuck You Tatchell?" He'd like that. Odds on it being allowed as lawful? | |||
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"Thy barged their way in to the parade and matched at least part of the route" Under their banner? Good on them. And did the (fabricated) health and safety fears materialise, did anyone suffer apocalypse (presumably from the violent left wing section - which Tatchell condones)? | |||
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" Wonder if Tatchell's real reason is that he's pissed that none of the UKIP MP's are gay. How dare they all be straight. The Green MP? Any tendancies there? UKIP MPs? Since when did they have more than one? As for MEPs, how about David Coburn? They had 2 MP's before the election, Mark Reckless and Douglas Carswel. Also more MEP's than any other party at the moment. As the most popular party at the Euro elections, they would gain the most MEP's. Maybe they should organise their own March and exclude those left wing, deicriminatory gays like left winger Tatchell. For balance, they could have their LGBT group marching at the front, with their biggest baddest butchest guy holding a banner titled "Fuck You Tatchell?" He'd like that. Odds on it being allowed as lawful? " Probably not as you can't write fuck on a giant banner and parade it around in public. So how come you haven't addressed the issue that ukip do exactly what you're complaining about and exclude people because of their political beliefs? | |||
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" Wonder if Tatchell's real reason is that he's pissed that none of the UKIP MP's are gay. How dare they all be straight. The Green MP? Any tendancies there? UKIP MPs? Since when did they have more than one? As for MEPs, how about David Coburn? They had 2 MP's before the election, Mark Reckless and Douglas Carswel. Also more MEP's than any other party at the moment. As the most popular party at the Euro elections, they would gain the most MEP's. Maybe they should organise their own March and exclude those left wing, deicriminatory gays like left winger Tatchell. For balance, they could have their LGBT group marching at the front, with their biggest baddest butchest guy holding a banner titled "Fuck You Tatchell?" He'd like that. Odds on it being allowed as lawful? Probably not as you can't write fuck on a giant banner and parade it around in public. So how come you haven't addressed the issue that ukip do exactly what you're complaining about and exclude people because of their political beliefs? " Huh? Essentially what i am complaining about is nowt to do with political party politics. It's about Tactchell not liking discrimination, prejudice and hatred towards gays, UNLESS he's doing it to those gays he despises. Based, i must add, on his own verbal comments made on national radio. | |||
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