FabSwingers.com forum: Surprise! Rail plans for the North shelved.

By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33270586

The government says it will delay or cut back a number of modernisation projects planned for Network Rail.

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin says rising costs and missed targets make the £38.5bn plan untenable.

The key routes affected are:

?Trans-Pennine route: York-Manchester, shelved

?Midland main line: York-Sheffield, shelved

?Great Western main line work will go ahead

They should just admit that the promises they made to help out the North were a load of hooey and move on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's always High-Spend 2.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Paused not shelved. I think it will be a long pause though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just spent the weekend in France which included 4 train journeys, the difference between their services and infrastructure and ours is massive. And this will only further that gap. We have a desperate need to invest in public transport and an integrated transport infrastructure. This is ridiculously shortsighted

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By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

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I've been to developing countries with better trains than ours. its embarrassing. But the main point is that, even after Cambot promising that the TPE plans would not be cancelled on local news, weeks later they are.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Just spent the weekend in France which included 4 train journeys, the difference between their services and infrastructure and ours is massive. And this will only further that gap. We have a desperate need to invest in public transport and an integrated transport infrastructure. This is ridiculously shortsighted"
do laugh when folk compare the french highspeed lines and ours as there is no comparison what so ever the french lines are all largley new and cost the equivilent of what BR were given as subsidy for the whole system on each line ! rather than trying to patch up an already creaking system on the cheap .

am i surprised by this announcement not in the slightest you will notice the extra £15 billion thats now being pumped into the road system expect nothing less from this lot good old torys reverting to type

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Northern power house!!!

My arse!

Typical

don't hear anything about shelving anything in the south - e.g a bloody tunnel under some standing stones!?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Don't feel too bad. The Tories lied to you and the Nats lied to us.

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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago

Paisley

Lol last time I looked at a map Scotland was in the North!

Manchester and York are in the middle of England. Hardly Outer Mongolia.

Should try our train lines. Trains cancelled due to high waves, snow and trees on the line.

I'd be grateful if HS2 is cancelled saving money and villages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The south of England need their money for fixing up their lovely parliament building dont forget, and also so the queen can have a nice newly renovated palace. Much more important than the lowly northerners of Britain...

Its laughable how people are so surprised. The revolution needs to come, or just move the border a few hundred miles south.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

Our public transport compared to most European countries lags notably behind, particularly with regard to cleanliness.

Portugal as an example. Their economy may be fucked, but using their train system is a pleasurable experience

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

Just rejoice and be grateful there's anything left.

Maggi Thatcher would have been happy to close the lot down.

I can't imagine what the roads would be like without the Railway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where is the North? I sometimes see it on the weather forecast.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Outside the London corridors and commuter belt expect no investment for the next five years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33270586

The government says it will delay or cut back a number of modernisation projects planned for Network Rail.

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin says rising costs and missed targets make the £38.5bn plan untenable.

The key routes affected are:

?Trans-Pennine route: York-Manchester, shelved

?Midland main line: York-Sheffield, shelved

?Great Western main line work will go ahead

They should just admit that the promises they made to help out the North were a load of hooey and move on.

You should have seen the amount of stuff Scotland was promised for voting no, none of that will get delivered either.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33270586

The government says it will delay or cut back a number of modernisation projects planned for Network Rail.

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin says rising costs and missed targets make the £38.5bn plan untenable.

The key routes affected are:

?Trans-Pennine route: York-Manchester, shelved

?Midland main line: York-Sheffield, shelved

?Great Western main line work will go ahead

They should just admit that the promises they made to help out the North were a load of hooey and move on.

"
Quiz:-

On which rail franchise route does David Cameron live ?

(a) Trans Pennine

(b) Midland Mainline

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

Digressing...

I can't comment on the South, but our roads up North are shod to pieces, as well!

And even when they do get around to filling the odd pot hole, very often they do half a job, so within six months it's even worse than it was to start with!

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By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Quiz:-

On which rail franchise route does David Cameron live ?

(a) Trans Pennine

(b) Midland Mainline

Oooh, tough one. Hmmmm....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The North is fucked without Jon snow anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably a good thing. Can just see it now :

The train now departing Platform 1 is the Bullet Train from Bradford to Manchester stopping at :

Brighouse

Halifax

Hebden Bridge

Mytholmroyd

Luddendenfoot

and other exotic locations.

NOT (now and ever) stopping at Todmorden. May we suggest you jump.

ETA 3 hrs 15 minutes (on a good day)

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

"The North is fucked without Jon snow anyway "

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By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"The North is fucked without Jon snow anyway "

You know nothing!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

What! The Tories lied to get the cloth cap wearing idiots in the north to vote them into power. Never! They would never do that, it is not like they have a history of lying to get power...

Don't worry though, in 4 years and 5 or 6 months they will have more good news for the north and all the other prols.

Me, cynical, never!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are only improving the Great Western line so they can get to their second homes in Devon and Cornwall quicker. Also there are plenty of roads down in here that are fecked, so it is not just a northern problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What! The Tories lied to get the cloth cap wearing idiots in the north to vote them into power. Never! They would never do that, it is not like they have a history of lying to get power...

Don't worry though, in 4 years and 5 or 6 months they will have more good news for the north and all the other prols.

Me, cynical, never! "

Why not? They fell for it hook, line and sinker with Blair_Brown combo.

Ever studied the political map where the vast majority of Labour seats are concentrated in the northern powerhouse towns?

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By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Ever studied the political map where the vast majority of Labour seats are concentrated in the northern powerhouse towns?"

At least Labour weren't quite so blatant about shafting the proles.

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By *000_6ftMan
over a year ago

Norwich

I'm surprised people are surprised that Tories would delay it. Clearly an election promise that was never fully costed. I think there will be a lot more of these promises that won't see the light of day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ever studied the political map where the vast majority of Labour seats are concentrated in the northern powerhouse towns?

At least Labour weren't quite so blatant about shafting the proles."

Maybe so, Blair was ever so slimy about it.

Still, the proles got shafted big time and ongoing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know it's the 21C and not the 19C but i suppose gone are the days when we could get the annual 400k+ immigrants to dig and lay the railway lines?

Hell, we even pay them to not do it.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Digressing...

I can't comment on the South, but our roads up North are shod to pieces, as well!

And even when they do get around to filling the odd pot hole, very often they do half a job, so within six months it's even worse than it was to start with!

It's the same everywhere. Potholes are usually local authority responsibility and their funding has been shafted too. I have found if you report it on FixMyStreet someone will turn up and spray paint a ring around the hole.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Politicians don't lie. They made promises. I didn't notice them crossing their fingers when t'election was on.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Politicians don't lie. They made promises. I didn't notice them crossing their fingers when t'election was on. "

They cross their toes.

As we know, a promise means nothing until it is delivered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Politicians don't lie. They made promises. I didn't notice them crossing their fingers when t'election was on.

They cross their toes.

As we know, a promise means nothing until it is delivered.

Indeed, definate grounds for a second independence referedum since we were lied to the first time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Politicians don't lie. They made promises. I didn't notice them crossing their fingers when t'election was on.

They cross their toes.

As we know, a promise means nothing until it is delivered.

All 12 of them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Politicians don't lie. They made promises. I didn't notice them crossing their fingers when t'election was on.

They cross their toes.

As we know, a promise means nothing until it is delivered.

All 12 of them?

(Toes... not promises... It was funnier in my head.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The North is fucked without Jon snow anyway "

What do you mean without him? Has something happened to him? He was a lovely weatherman

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Digressing...

I can't comment on the South, but our roads up North are shod to pieces, as well!

And even when they do get around to filling the odd pot hole, very often they do half a job, so within six months it's even worse than it was to start with!

I might look into that.

'Spray paint a ring around the hole' - nice analogy

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I'm surprised people are surprised that Tories would delay it. Clearly an election promise that was never fully costed. I think there will be a lot more of these promises that won't see the light of day. "

people have short memories we have been here before with Cameron doing so many u turns after 2010 its a wonder he didn't fall over..

oh yes, Clegg the bitch boy kept him up..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got an email from Transport for London saying some tfl lines will be going 24 hour and they are extending the Overground from Gospel Oak-Barking to a newly built station at Riverside in Barking. That will come in handy for getting back from London on d*unken nights out.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

They only care about the south as they do not have enough seats in the north.

Mind you funny when labour are in they do the same,no wonder the Scots are getting grumpy.

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

How much quicker would it have the trip ?

Jo x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Digressing...

I can't comment on the South, but our roads up North are shod to pieces, as well!

And even when they do get around to filling the odd pot hole, very often they do half a job, so within six months it's even worse than it was to start with!

I think we need to start copying the more rural bits of the highlands and get gravel roads everywhere, pothole forms? Just sweep some gravel into its place. Job done.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Digressing...

I can't comment on the South, but our roads up North are shod to pieces, as well!

And even when they do get around to filling the odd pot hole, very often they do half a job, so within six months it's even worse than it was to start with!

I might look into that.

'Spray paint a ring around the hole' - nice analogy

It is exactly what they do. Sometimes it's a white ring and sometimes yellow. I haven't worked out whether the yellow is higher or lower on the fix rota. Then you know it has been noted and they have done something.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I got an email from Transport for London saying some tfl lines will be going 24 hour and they are extending the Overground from Gospel Oak-Barking to a newly built station at Riverside in Barking. That will come in handy for getting back from London on d*unken nights out. "

September. It's the reason for the most recent dispute conversations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

September. It's the reason for the most recent dispute conversations.

I've heard the RMT have came out in favour of leaving The EU too

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Digressing...

I can't comment on the South, but our roads up North are shod to pieces, as well!

And even when they do get around to filling the odd pot hole, very often they do half a job, so within six months it's even worse than it was to start with!

I might look into that.

'Spray paint a ring around the hole' - nice analogy

Yeah, I have noticed them.

Didn't know about this FixMyStreet though. Cheers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love how everyone back home is complaining about the north being ignored while the south benefits! Have any of you lot been on a southern train line? I get more rail replacement services going to Devon than I ever do getting to Burnley or even Manchester and if the tide and ocean waves ramp up again, the whole argument about the Dartmoor railway from Exeter to Plymouth Via Okehampton will pick up again. Least up there you have the East and West Coast main lines to pick from. Pot holed roads? Yep we get them here too and the tractors don't help them. Along with the bloody wild dear, ponies, sheep and cows just wandering about! Still waiting for 3G to come to this area, let alone 4G. And they can't make a decent gravy to save their lives (bloody bovril / curry sauce!

) can't wait for December to move back North where the cost of a pint, won't mean bending over and taking a pineapple pointy end first .

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

I'm not sure about the logic of cancelling the cross-pennine route, but surely the reason for cancelling London to Sheffield is so they can concentrate all their resources on coming up with excuses for not delivering HS2 in a few years' time

Mr ddc

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Quiz:-

On which rail franchise route does David Cameron live ?

(a) Trans Pennine

(b) Midland Mainline

Oooh, tough one. Hmmmm...."

Before i say what i have to say... let me say i am not defending cameron in any way at all...

sorry to be a nerd... there is a practical reason for why the Great Western stuff has to go on..... they have already ordered a shed load of new trains, which need the improved lines to run on and a lot of the work has already been done (reading station was close for 2 weeks, paddington had to divert all there trains for a week here and there ect).... so i am guessing it would cost as much in compensation to shelve as it would be to go on....

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Quiz:-

On which rail franchise route does David Cameron live ?

(a) Trans Pennine

(b) Midland Mainline

Oooh, tough one. Hmmmm....

Before i say what i have to say... let me say i am not defending cameron in any way at all...

This is where we need Bussy and his fully costed analysis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't need fast trains in this country.... It's not that fucking big...hs2, 50 billion to shave 30 minutes off from London to Manchester, who gives a fuck... It's old technology anyhow, everybody else is doing maglef!.

what we need is more routes and cheaper fares and electrified routes not diesel as soon as you get anywhere remotely from a town!.

The usa is the only worse country for a transport policy than the UK.....50 years out of date

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