FabSwingers.com forum: Should he? or shouldn't he?

By *aldandWellHung42 OP Man
over a year ago

Northumberland

Dylann. Roof.

Should he be executed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No because I disagree with the death penalty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. What is the point of others paying for him to live?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

only after he has rotted in jail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

We're entering a stage now where socially we understand a hell of a lot of stuff, psychologically we have a good understanding here too, and neurology has advanced to an amazing understanding here too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society."

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !"

How do other racists suffer?!

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !

How do other racists suffer?!"

Unfortunately they don't but when I rule the world it will be different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who?"

The White Supremacist Asshole that killed 9 Black Americans while they were praying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Given a gun for his 21st

Lets put more attention into changing that behaviour than seeking eye for eye.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !"

Racism is a mental illness though. It's an irrational fear or hatred of something not real.

Someone hates all people of a colour for no justifiable reason, but the way their brain works is they justify it. That's how all mental illnesses happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is racism a mental illness or something picked up from influences

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !

Racism is a mental illness though. It's an irrational fear or hatred of something not real.

Someone hates all people of a colour for no justifiable reason, but the way their brain works is they justify it. That's how all mental illnesses happen."

Sorry AB not a single child in this world is born racist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !

Racism is a mental illness though. It's an irrational fear or hatred of something not real.

Someone hates all people of a colour for no justifiable reason, but the way their brain works is they justify it. That's how all mental illnesses happen.

Sorry AB not a single child in this world is born racist "

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"No because I disagree with the death penalty."

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over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !

Racism is a mental illness though. It's an irrational fear or hatred of something not real.

Someone hates all people of a colour for no justifiable reason, but the way their brain works is they justify it. That's how all mental illnesses happen."

xenophobia could be classed as a mental condition the same as any phobia I don't think racisum is a medical condition though is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !

Racism is a mental illness though. It's an irrational fear or hatred of something not real.

Someone hates all people of a colour for no justifiable reason, but the way their brain works is they justify it. That's how all mental illnesses happen."

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Racism is a mental illness though. It's an irrational fear or hatred of something not real.

Someone hates all people of a colour for no justifiable reason, but the way their brain works is they justify it. That's how all mental illnesses happen.

Sorry AB not a single child in this world is born racist

Racism is not a mental illness - or at least if it is, it's not a recognised one - it's learnt behaviour and social constructs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !

Racism is a mental illness though. It's an irrational fear or hatred of something not real.

Someone hates all people of a colour for no justifiable reason, but the way their brain works is they justify it. That's how all mental illnesses happen.

Sorry AB not a single child in this world is born racist "

No, so why do some become so and others not?

Mental deficiency.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !

Racism is a mental illness though. It's an irrational fear or hatred of something not real.

Someone hates all people of a colour for no justifiable reason, but the way their brain works is they justify it. That's how all mental illnesses happen.

Sorry AB not a single child in this world is born racist

No, so why do some become so and others not?

Mental deficiency."

If a child or young person grows up within a racist family, or has friends who are racist, they may believe that racism is normal and acceptable.

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

Nobody should be in prison as everything is just a mental disorder .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !

Racism is a mental illness though. It's an irrational fear or hatred of something not real.

Someone hates all people of a colour for no justifiable reason, but the way their brain works is they justify it. That's how all mental illnesses happen.

Sorry AB not a single child in this world is born racist

No, so why do some become so and others not?

Mental deficiency.

If a child or young person grows up within a racist family, or has friends who are racist, they may believe that racism is normal and acceptable."

They believe it because they don't have the mental capacity to see the bigger picture.

Lots of people have family with certain beliefs, but still come to their own conclusions of what's real. Because they're mentally strong. Followers aren't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lot of replies to my comment, not gonna reply individually.

Mental illnesses are disorders that affect your mod, thinking and behaviour.

Racism isn't classed as a mental illness yet because it has been acceptable in society. Once society rejects racism on a wider scale it will be classed as an illness, imo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And you don't need to be born with a mental illness, anything can cause them to be triggered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !

Racism is a mental illness though. It's an irrational fear or hatred of something not real.

Someone hates all people of a colour for no justifiable reason, but the way their brain works is they justify it. That's how all mental illnesses happen.

Sorry AB not a single child in this world is born racist

No, so why do some become so and others not?

Mental deficiency.

If a child or young person grows up within a racist family, or has friends who are racist, they may believe that racism is normal and acceptable."
I disagree. As an adult, we are responsible for our own actions. Upbringing and social pressures do have an influence. But so does education and your own personal beliefs and Understanding. We have a massive problem with "blame culture" in the UK. It's everyone else's problem or responsibility. It's time people took responsibility for their choices and actions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Then it appears our definition of mental illness differ,

The racism in this case appears to come from it being a strong influence during childhood

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Then it appears our definition of mental illness differ,

The racism in this case appears to come from it being a strong influence during childhood

From other mentally ill people?

I used the official definition of mental illness. There's other definitions too that could still apply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Then it appears our definition of mental illness differ,

The racism in this case appears to come from it being a strong influence during childhood

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I think that the desire to kill someone is a mental illness. I don't believe that the justification is... Black/white/fat/child etc.. I think that that is just the justification.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Then it appears our definition of mental illness differ,

The racism in this case appears to come from it being a strong influence during childhood

I think that the desire to kill someone is a mental illness. I don't believe that the justification is... Black/white/fat/child etc.. I think that that is just the justification."

So why didnt he go into church with Caucasian Americans in it. he just happened to come across the one with black people in it ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lot of replies to my comment, not gonna reply individually.

Mental illnesses are disorders that affect your mod, thinking and behaviour.

Racism isn't classed as a mental illness yet because it has been acceptable in society. Once society rejects racism on a wider scale it will be classed as an illness, imo."

So if its a mental illness it can not be helped so are we now supposed to accept racisum as OK because the person can't help their way of thinking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Then it appears our definition of mental illness differ,

The racism in this case appears to come from it being a strong influence during childhood

I think that the desire to kill someone is a mental illness. I don't believe that the justification is... Black/white/fat/child etc.. I think that that is just the justification.

So why didnt he go into church with Caucasian Americans in it. he just happened to come across the one with black people in it ??"

He's quoted as saying that he almost didn't go through with the shootings as everyone in the church was so nice and friendly...

Does he come across as totally logical to you? Not skewed in any way?

Racists are skewed. Their 'logic' is totally illogical.

As with any other delusion of thought - mental aid is needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Send him to the chair. He's made the decision to go to a church and execute multiple people

It's not like he's lost control of his car and hit a people carrier completely by accident. He got his gun, loaded it with bullets and made his way to the church, pointed the gun at people and pulled the trigger...multiple times

Sorry. But in my opinion, an eye an for an eye x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mental illness denotes a level of unaccountability

The actions described here are definitely perpetrator accountable

Its the gun toting society that enables this type of activity that should be under scrutiny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lot of replies to my comment, not gonna reply individually.

Mental illnesses are disorders that affect your mod, thinking and behaviour.

Racism isn't classed as a mental illness yet because it has been acceptable in society. Once society rejects racism on a wider scale it will be classed as an illness, imo.

So if its a mental illness it can not be helped so are we now supposed to accept racisum as OK because the person can't help their way of thinking "

Mental illnesses often can be helped though. They're down to irrational ways of thinking, and ways of thinking can be changed.

No we don't accept racism, but racism is already still acceptable in society if we're honest. We change society so that mental illness is infrequent, and so that people don't feel shame over being ill and if they want to be helped they can come forward with that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Given a gun for his 21st

Lets put more attention into changing that behaviour than seeking eye for eye.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lot of replies to my comment, not gonna reply individually.

Mental illnesses are disorders that affect your mod, thinking and behaviour.

Racism isn't classed as a mental illness yet because it has been acceptable in society. Once society rejects racism on a wider scale it will be classed as an illness, imo.

So if its a mental illness it can not be helped so are we now supposed to accept racisum as OK because the person can't help their way of thinking

Mental illnesses often can be helped though. They're down to irrational ways of thinking, and ways of thinking can be changed.

So by your logic - Everyone that has ever called me a paki or told me to go home I should think they are mentally ill and therefore it acceptable to abuse me in the street/ play ground / on here

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands

does this mental illness opinion stretch to the killers of lee rigby then. they werent born racist but radicalised but as adults should have the cspacity to realise killing him was wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lot of replies to my comment, not gonna reply individually.

Mental illnesses are disorders that affect your mod, thinking and behaviour.

Racism isn't classed as a mental illness yet because it has been acceptable in society. Once society rejects racism on a wider scale it will be classed as an illness, imo.

So if its a mental illness it can not be helped so are we now supposed to accept racisum as OK because the person can't help their way of thinking

Mental illnesses often can be helped though. They're down to irrational ways of thinking, and ways of thinking can be changed.

So by your logic - Everyone that has ever called me a paki or told me to go home I should think they are mentally ill and therefore it acceptable to abuse me in the street/ play ground / on here "

Where did you even get that opinion from?

I didn't say mental illness is acceptable in any form.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"does this mental illness opinion stretch to the killers of lee rigby then. they werent born racist but radicalised but as adults should have the cspacity to realise killing him was wrong"

Nope they were racist too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"does this mental illness opinion stretch to the killers of lee rigby then. they werent born racist but radicalised but as adults should have the cspacity to realise killing him was wrong"

Obviously they didn't have the mental capacity...they'd never have become radicalised if they had.

So yes - they were mentally ill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Go study mental illness, neurology, and genetics for a few years and then get back to me maybe?

Mental illness is a condition where the brain is not functioning as a normal brain functions.

We accept rational behaviour as normal behaviour ok.

We accept that behaviour that doesn't harm the self or another person as reasonable and rational behaviour.*

This is how we reason whether someone is ill or not, by how reasonable and rational their behaviour is.

Racism is abnormal behaviour, based ion nothing and unreasonable. It is a mental illness imo.

I don't think i can explain my thoughts any simpler than that.

*Society accepts some harmful behaviour though, such as war and the destruction of the planet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What we sow so shall we reap.

What happened in the U.S. Last year will be reflected in this mans sentence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"does this mental illness opinion stretch to the killers of lee rigby then. they werent born racist but radicalised but as adults should have the cspacity to realise killing him was wrong

Obviously they didn't have the mental capacity...they'd never have become radicalised if they had.

So yes - they were mentally ill"

They weren't mentally ill they knew exactly what they were doing

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

this has got to be the friday night wine/ramadan fast talking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"does this mental illness opinion stretch to the killers of lee rigby then. they werent born racist but radicalised but as adults should have the cspacity to realise killing him was wrong

Obviously they didn't have the mental capacity...they'd never have become radicalised if they had.

So yes - they were mentally ill

They weren't mentally ill they knew exactly what they were doing "

Only psychosis stops people from knowing what they were doing. Not all mentally ill people get psychosis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"does this mental illness opinion stretch to the killers of lee rigby then. they werent born racist but radicalised but as adults should have the cspacity to realise killing him was wrong

Obviously they didn't have the mental capacity...they'd never have become radicalised if they had.

So yes - they were mentally ill

They weren't mentally ill they knew exactly what they were doing

Only psychosis stops people from knowing what they were doing. Not all mentally ill people get psychosis."

They were cold hearted killers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"does this mental illness opinion stretch to the killers of lee rigby then. they werent born racist but radicalised but as adults should have the cspacity to realise killing him was wrong

Obviously they didn't have the mental capacity...they'd never have become radicalised if they had.

So yes - they were mentally ill

They weren't mentally ill they knew exactly what they were doing "

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Mentally ill people DO know what they're doing, they think what they're doing is justified.

Just because someone knows what they're doing - doesn't make them sane. The fact they still commit the abhorrent and atrocious crime, proves their logic is skewed.

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands

so what youre saying then is this usa guy and lee rigbys killers should have got manslaughter cuz theyre mentally ill. and be free from going to jail and do a couple of years in broadmore to cure them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lot of replies to my comment, not gonna reply individually.

Mental illnesses are disorders that affect your mod, thinking and behaviour.

Racism isn't classed as a mental illness yet because it has been acceptable in society. Once society rejects racism on a wider scale it will be classed as an illness, imo.

So if its a mental illness it can not be helped so are we now supposed to accept racisum as OK because the person can't help their way of thinking

Mental illnesses often can be helped though. They're down to irrational ways of thinking, and ways of thinking can be changed.

So by your logic - Everyone that has ever called me a paki or told me to go home I should think they are mentally ill and therefore it acceptable to abuse me in the street/ play ground / on here "

No I don't see how racism as a mental illness, people choose their way of thinking

xenophobia is a condition but xenophobic people aren't racist there is a difference between the fear of other colours and cultures and walking past an Asian person and calling them a paki, that's a choice not a condition and that person who walks by an Asian person and calls them a paki are doing so by choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't believe in the death penalty because I think innocent people could still be put to death & the murder of one innocent person is enough for me to say there should not be the death penalty at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so what youre saying then is this usa guy and lee rigbys killers should have got manslaughter cuz theyre mentally ill. and be free from going to jail and do a couple of years in broadmore to cure them"

Yes - I said that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lot of replies to my comment, not gonna reply individually.

Mental illnesses are disorders that affect your mod, thinking and behaviour.

Racism isn't classed as a mental illness yet because it has been acceptable in society. Once society rejects racism on a wider scale it will be classed as an illness, imo.

So if its a mental illness it can not be helped so are we now supposed to accept racisum as OK because the person can't help their way of thinking

Mental illnesses often can be helped though. They're down to irrational ways of thinking, and ways of thinking can be changed.

So by your logic - Everyone that has ever called me a paki or told me to go home I should think they are mentally ill and therefore it acceptable to abuse me in the street/ play ground / on here

Where did you even get that opinion from?

I didn't say mental illness is acceptable in any form.

Of course mental illness is acceptable

How can you not accept a condition somebody has no control over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They were cold hearted killers "

I don't know them personally but yes they could have been, or they might have actually been emotionally inclined to kill.

Either way this behaviour isn't normal.

Yes we all have a primal instinct to get angry, and maybe even feel like killing someone at times, but a normal person will stop themselves from doing that and know they have no right to take another persons life or destroy it.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I don't believe killing people serves any useful purpose at all. So it's a no to the original question.

The children of one of the women killed by Roof have said they have prayed and forgiven him. Out of this atrocious, awful act people of all colours came together today.

Fight racism but not with legalised killing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course mental illness is acceptable

How can you not accept a condition somebody has no control over "

It can be tolerated yes, but i doubt anyone finds it suitable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seriously!!!

He's a little red neck scrote who is radicalised, brain washed into thinking what he was doing is right.

It's not a mental illness or a psychosis at all.

It's just an excuses which no doubt he will use to get a lesser sentence.

And as a previous poster said no child is born racist it's all behaviour breeds behaviour which _iews are instilled by your parents and society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously!!!

He's a little red neck scrote who is radicalised, brain washed into thinking what he was doing is right.

It's not a mental illness or a psychosis at all.

It's just an excuses which no doubt he will use to get a lesser sentence.

And as a previous poster said no child is born racist it's all behaviour breeds behaviour which _iews are instilled by your parents and society.

before his death he should be made to suffer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously!!!

He's a little red neck scrote who is radicalised, brain washed into thinking what he was doing is right.

It's not a mental illness or a psychosis at all.

It's just an excuses which no doubt he will use to get a lesser sentence.

And as a previous poster said no child is born racist it's all behaviour breeds behaviour which _iews are instilled by your parents and society.

before his death he should be made to suffer "

That makes you no better than him.

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands

Yes - I said that

id love to see your opinion if someone committed a racist murder of someone you care about. would you go to court saying it ok ur honour hes mentally ill

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"Seriously!!!

He's a little red neck scrote who is radicalised, brain washed into thinking what he was doing is right.

It's not a mental illness or a psychosis at all.

It's just an excuses which no doubt he will use to get a lesser sentence.

And as a previous poster said no child is born racist it's all behaviour breeds behaviour which _iews are instilled by your parents and society.

before his death he should be made to suffer "

i agree, put you and him in a room and have you regale him with your sparkling persona..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Taking into consideration your _iews of this being mental illness AB can I ask two questions.

1, had he been brought up in a better gun and racism free enviorenment would he still have developed this mental illness,

2, does allocating his actions as mental illness in anyway effect his accountability for them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously!!!

He's a little red neck scrote who is radicalised, brain washed into thinking what he was doing is right.

It's not a mental illness or a psychosis at all.

It's just an excuses which no doubt he will use to get a lesser sentence.

And as a previous poster said no child is born racist it's all behaviour breeds behaviour which _iews are instilled by your parents and society.

before his death he should be made to suffer

i agree, put you and him in a room and have you regale him with your sparkling persona..

Lol off course suffering doesn't have to be physical

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes - I said that

id love to see your opinion if someone committed a racist murder of someone you care about. would you go to court saying it ok ur honour hes mentally ill"

Yes-of course I would say it's okay. I've said all the way through this thread that it's okay

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over a year ago

"I don't believe in the death penalty because I think innocent people could still be put to death & the murder of one innocent person is enough for me to say there should not be the death penalty at all."

But what about him, there is no question of innocence or guilt.

Should be reformed ?

Could he be reformed ?

could he ever enter society again

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over a year ago

"Taking into consideration your _iews of this being mental illness AB can I ask two questions.

1, had he been brought up in a better gun and racism free enviorenment would he still have developed this mental illness,

2, does allocating his actions as mental illness in anyway effect his accountability for them

1. It's highly likely that being brought up in any environment where racism was not seen as acceptable then he would not have been racist. It is possible he might still have become racist somehow but unlikely.

Guns have nothing to do with racism and so the guns don't affect this answer.

2. I'm not sure. There are many factors here, including philosophical ones, that would affect this answer. But even if he wasn't accountable for his actions he obviously needs to be kept away from any society that wants it's people to be safe.

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over a year ago

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fair enough, see where your coming from,

I do think what is slightly dangerous about your _iew, is there is no attempt to prevent further cases like this,

it is almost excusing them,

he is accountable iam afraid and the lessons that need to be learnt are finding the route cause and removing it,

i dont think you will find the route cause in mental illness, only mask them,

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over a year ago

fair enough, see where your coming from,

I do think what is slightly dangerous about your _iew, is there is no attempt to prevent further cases like this,

it is almost excusing them,

he is accountable iam afraid and the lessons that need to be learnt are finding the route cause and removing it,

i dont think you will find the route cause in mental illness, only mask them,

My first answer to this topic...

**Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.**

Read that last line above me, i do not accept any of this, i actually understand it and understand it can be fixed, but society has to want this too and push for it.

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over a year ago

fair enough, see where your coming from,

I do think what is slightly dangerous about your _iew, is there is no attempt to prevent further cases like this,

it is almost excusing them,

he is accountable iam afraid and the lessons that need to be learnt are finding the route cause and removing it,

i dont think you will find the route cause in mental illness, only mask them,

My first answer to this topic...

**Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.**

Read that last line above me, i do not accept any of this, i actually understand it and understand it can be fixed, but society has to want this too and push for it."

If you are right if it could work it would be amazing thing

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over a year ago

"Seriously!!!

He's a little red neck scrote who is radicalised, brain washed into thinking what he was doing is right.

It's not a mental illness or a psychosis at all.

It's just an excuses which no doubt he will use to get a lesser sentence.

And as a previous poster said no child is born racist it's all behaviour breeds behaviour which _iews are instilled by your parents and society.

before his death he should be made to suffer

That makes you no better than him."
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Why does it make me no better than him? Please show me in my post where I said I think he should be killed for what he did?.

He's a scum bag who took the lives of 9 innocent people that got up one morning trying to be good people went to church to a prayer group and didn't leave alive.

He had no right to take the lives of those people.

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

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I wouldn't have shed a tear had he been shot by law enforcement at the scene, at the time.

He's now in custody.

And should spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement.

The death penalty is an easy let off for those that don't value life, has no place in civilised society and is no deterrent to those that commit crimes such as this in the full knowledge that there's a high probably they won't walk away alive.

Let him rot.

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over a year ago

fair enough, see where your coming from,

I do think what is slightly dangerous about your _iew, is there is no attempt to prevent further cases like this,

it is almost excusing them,

he is accountable iam afraid and the lessons that need to be learnt are finding the route cause and removing it,

i dont think you will find the route cause in mental illness, only mask them,

My first answer to this topic...

**Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.**

Read that last line above me, i do not accept any of this, i actually understand it and understand it can be fixed, but society has to want this too and push for it.

If you are right if it could work it would be amazing thing

It can work. But definitely won't happen for at least another couple of centuries.

There's a hell of a lot of history, beliefs and attitudes to be faced up to, owned up to, challenged and worked through.

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over a year ago

fair enough, see where your coming from,

I do think what is slightly dangerous about your _iew, is there is no attempt to prevent further cases like this,

it is almost excusing them,

he is accountable iam afraid and the lessons that need to be learnt are finding the route cause and removing it,

i dont think you will find the route cause in mental illness, only mask them,

My first answer to this topic...

**Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.**

Read that last line above me, i do not accept any of this, i actually understand it and understand it can be fixed, but society has to want this too and push for it.

If you are right if it could work it would be amazing thing

It can be fixed. We can create a society that chooses to harm no-one.

There's so much hate ingrained into our societies so that the status quo remains as it is and the people in power keep their power that it will take a while to sort it out.

Hate for the jobless, the disabled, races, sexes, genders, financial status, anything you are can be hated and is by someone. It's got less since i was growing up, so it is going.

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over a year ago

fair enough, see where your coming from,

I do think what is slightly dangerous about your _iew, is there is no attempt to prevent further cases like this,

it is almost excusing them,

he is accountable iam afraid and the lessons that need to be learnt are finding the route cause and removing it,

i dont think you will find the route cause in mental illness, only mask them,

My first answer to this topic...

**Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.**

Read that last line above me, i do not accept any of this, i actually understand it and understand it can be fixed, but society has to want this too and push for it.

If you are right if it could work it would be amazing thing

It can be fixed. We can create a society that chooses to harm no-one.

There's so much hate ingrained into our societies so that the status quo remains as it is and the people in power keep their power that it will take a while to sort it out.

Hate for the jobless, the disabled, races, sexes, genders, financial status, anything you are can be hated and is by someone. It's got less since i was growing up, so it is going."

don't get me wrong I am not a hater I like to look at the positive in people and believe everyone has good in them but I struggle with people certain scenarios

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over a year ago

Years of Hard labour then electric chair. I also think they shouldn't put on the pussy wing of the prison... said he wanted to start race war so will no doubt join one of the white power gangs inside the prison where he will be praised by people of the same mind set... will have to in order to survive. Like the way the gave him a bullet proof vest after killing people but 14 yr old attending a party got kneed in the ribs

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over a year ago

"Seriously!!!

He's a little red neck scrote who is radicalised, brain washed into thinking what he was doing is right.

It's not a mental illness or a psychosis at all.

It's just an excuses which no doubt he will use to get a lesser sentence.

And as a previous poster said no child is born racist it's all behaviour breeds behaviour which _iews are instilled by your parents and society.

before his death he should be made to suffer

That makes you no better than him..

Why does it make me no better than him? Please show me in my post where I said I think he should be killed for what he did?.

He's a scum bag who took the lives of 9 innocent people that got up one morning trying to be good people went to church to a prayer group and didn't leave alive.

He had no right to take the lives of those people.

That wasn't aimed at your post.

It was aimed at the person who said before his death he should be made to suffer.

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over a year ago

"don't get me wrong I am not a hater I like to look at the positive in people and believe everyone has good in them but I struggle with people certain scenarios "

Everything's hard to deal with once you bring your own emotions into it tbh.

You have to try and remain impartial when discussing and thinking about social issues to try and understand them and think of solutions.

Then become emotional once you try and bring things into action, so you get that drive and focus.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Jeezus!

This is why we have a justice system, a rule of law and a prison system - as imperfect as they are - because the death penalty and mob rule are not a good idea.

He's done a terrible, shocking, abominable thing and should be locked up - possibly forever.

But getting all Old Testament is not the answer.

I don't suppose many of you have been inside a prison - I've been to quite a few in this country and abroad. They're not nice places, and they're not meant to be.

But what you have to remember is that you HAVE to demand the same minimum rights to the nastiest scum that YOU would expect if you were in a similar position.

His crime is extreme. But the punishment should not be death.

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over a year ago

"Jeezus!

This is why we have a justice system, a rule of law and a prison system - as imperfect as they are - because the death penalty and mob rule are not a good idea.

He's done a terrible, shocking, abominable thing and should be locked up - possibly forever.

But getting all Old Testament is not the answer.

I don't suppose many of you have been inside a prison - I've been to quite a few in this country and abroad. They're not nice places, and they're not meant to be.

But what you have to remember is that you HAVE to demand the same minimum rights to the nastiest scum that YOU would expect if you were in a similar position.

His crime is extreme. But the punishment should not be death. "

I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

Yes - we have a habit of locking up mentally ill people and people with learning difficulties, and minorities for that matter, in this country.

Racism is learned behaviour and a social construct - he may have MH issues (duh, he just killed a bunch of innocent people for no apparent reason other than the colour of their skin) - but it is not tied to or classified as a mental health condition.

But the question was about capital punishment.

I'm firmly against that.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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No. And no debate in my mind.

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over a year ago

"I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

Yes - we have a habit of locking up mentally ill people and people with learning difficulties, and minorities for that matter, in this country.

But the question was about capital punishment.

I'm firmly against that. "

My ex wasn't in a minority - he was white.

This guy killed people for no other reason than their colour... definitely mental illness and should be classified as such.

But classing it as such would take away the supremacy kudos..

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over a year ago

Why do some look for excuses, to warrant what these people do, would love to hear what their excuse would be if it was one of their family that had been shot

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over a year ago

"Why do some look for excuses, to warrant what these people do, would love to hear what their excuse would be if it was one of their family that had been shot "

But nuts like this guy DO shoot their own families!!

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

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They need to make some sort of example of him, they have a rare opportunity to do so, the majority of people that commit this sort of crime end up topping themselves at the scene or getting killed by the police. Not sure what example, but whatever it is, they need to get it right.....with a slight dig at the nra for good measure

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over a year ago

"They need to make some sort of example of him, they have a rare opportunity to do so, the majority of people that commit this sort of crime end up topping themselves at the scene or getting killed by the police. Not sure what example, but whatever it is, they need to get it right.....with a slight dig at the nra for good measure"

The heavily Republican backed NRA are incredibly thick skinned, so unless the masses took up arms against the entire party, nothing will change, imo.

The guy will face the chair, no doubt.

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over a year ago

"Go study mental illness, neurology, and genetics for a few years and then get back to me maybe?

Mental illness is a condition where the brain is not functioning as a normal brain functions.

We accept rational behaviour as normal behaviour ok.

We accept that behaviour that doesn't harm the self or another person as reasonable and rational behaviour.*

This is how we reason whether someone is ill or not, by how reasonable and rational their behaviour is.

Racism is abnormal behaviour, based ion nothing and unreasonable. It is a mental illness imo.

I don't think i can explain my thoughts any simpler than that.

*Society accepts some harmful behaviour though, such as war and the destruction of the planet.

I'm glad it's just your opinion otherwise society may deem all isms to be mental illnesses. By default prejudice then becomes a mental illness.

Just because someone does not have the mental capacity in specific circumstances to make decisions suitable for societal norms does NOT denote a mental illness.

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over a year ago

I just saw that guy on tv & was made to listen to some of the victim's families;

No emotion, nothing but looking like a totally lost & vacant kid.

Okay, hardly enough material for a sanity diagnosis, but did anyone think that he looked sane?

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over a year ago

"Jeezus!

This is why we have a justice system, a rule of law and a prison system - as imperfect as they are - because the death penalty and mob rule are not a good idea.

He's done a terrible, shocking, abominable thing and should be locked up - possibly forever.

But getting all Old Testament is not the answer.

I don't suppose many of you have been inside a prison - I've been to quite a few in this country and abroad. They're not nice places, and they're not meant to be.

But what you have to remember is that you HAVE to demand the same minimum rights to the nastiest scum that YOU would expect if you were in a similar position.

His crime is extreme. But the punishment should not be death.

I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

I cannot see racism as a mental illness, however I can see it as a trigger in cases like these.

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over a year ago

"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society."

I agree so much with this.

I used to believe in the death penalty but there has been far too many miscarriages of justice for me to hold that position.

An innocent person wrongly executed is a long time dead. (Although in this case I don't think there can be any doubt that he did it)

However I do think life in prison should be just that, life.

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over a year ago

"Jeezus!

This is why we have a justice system, a rule of law and a prison system - as imperfect as they are - because the death penalty and mob rule are not a good idea.

He's done a terrible, shocking, abominable thing and should be locked up - possibly forever.

But getting all Old Testament is not the answer.

I don't suppose many of you have been inside a prison - I've been to quite a few in this country and abroad. They're not nice places, and they're not meant to be.

But what you have to remember is that you HAVE to demand the same minimum rights to the nastiest scum that YOU would expect if you were in a similar position.

His crime is extreme. But the punishment should not be death.

I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

I cannot see racism as a mental illness, however I can see it as a trigger in cases like these. "

Okay......

Where's the sanity, balanced logical thought and rationale in ANY racist thought, behaviour or act?

There's never any...

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

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"I don't agree with the death penalty either. So a no from me too.

Now is the time to be sorting out all social, psychological and neurological problems within society.

Sorry I consider you a friend but i cannot agree with you on this.

He is a racist scum of the earth he deserves to suffer just as any other racists do !"
death penalty is to good for him you want him to suffer he will do you honestly believe he will be in genpop ? He would be dead at the hands of the black gangs within the week no it's segregation isolation and solitary for this guy . Probably the purest form of mental torture known to man . Just existing in four walks no windows only the routine of meals to go by and other than doctors lawyers and physcolagists plus your guards no human contact ! He will suffer a long slow fall into madness and paranoia suffer he will till his dying day a forgoten on footnote yesterday's news . But give him the death penalty years on death row multiple appeals with all the resultant publicity year after year no just quietly shunt the irelivent piece of flotsam away in a max security solitary cell

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"Jeezus!

This is why we have a justice system, a rule of law and a prison system - as imperfect as they are - because the death penalty and mob rule are not a good idea.

He's done a terrible, shocking, abominable thing and should be locked up - possibly forever.

But getting all Old Testament is not the answer.

I don't suppose many of you have been inside a prison - I've been to quite a few in this country and abroad. They're not nice places, and they're not meant to be.

But what you have to remember is that you HAVE to demand the same minimum rights to the nastiest scum that YOU would expect if you were in a similar position.

His crime is extreme. But the punishment should not be death.

I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

I cannot see racism as a mental illness, however I can see it as a trigger in cases like these.

Okay......

Where's the sanity, balanced logical thought and rationale in ANY racist thought, behaviour or act?

There's never any...

I'm quite illogical during PMS, it doesn't make me mentally ill, however, it could serve as the trigger if I killed someone during it. Probably not a good example due to its biological basis.

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over a year ago

"I wouldn't have shed a tear had he been shot by law enforcement at the scene, at the time.

He's now in custody.

And should spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement.

Let him rot.

This.

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over a year ago

"Jeezus!

This is why we have a justice system, a rule of law and a prison system - as imperfect as they are - because the death penalty and mob rule are not a good idea.

He's done a terrible, shocking, abominable thing and should be locked up - possibly forever.

But getting all Old Testament is not the answer.

I don't suppose many of you have been inside a prison - I've been to quite a few in this country and abroad. They're not nice places, and they're not meant to be.

But what you have to remember is that you HAVE to demand the same minimum rights to the nastiest scum that YOU would expect if you were in a similar position.

His crime is extreme. But the punishment should not be death.

I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

I cannot see racism as a mental illness, however I can see it as a trigger in cases like these.

Okay......

Where's the sanity, balanced logical thought and rationale in ANY racist thought, behaviour or act?

There's never any...

I'm quite illogical during PMS, it doesn't make me mentally ill, however, it could serve as the trigger if I killed someone during it. Probably not a good example due to its biological basis."

I'm irritable, short tempered and more hotheaded than usual during PMS.

Never once have I become racist.

Something has to be there already to be triggered...

Some people are predisposed to abnormal behaviours and thoughts i.e. racists.

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over a year ago

"Jeezus!

This is why we have a justice system, a rule of law and a prison system - as imperfect as they are - because the death penalty and mob rule are not a good idea.

He's done a terrible, shocking, abominable thing and should be locked up - possibly forever.

But getting all Old Testament is not the answer.

I don't suppose many of you have been inside a prison - I've been to quite a few in this country and abroad. They're not nice places, and they're not meant to be.

But what you have to remember is that you HAVE to demand the same minimum rights to the nastiest scum that YOU would expect if you were in a similar position.

His crime is extreme. But the punishment should not be death.

I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

I cannot see racism as a mental illness, however I can see it as a trigger in cases like these.

Okay......

Where's the sanity, balanced logical thought and rationale in ANY racist thought, behaviour or act?

There's never any...

I'm quite illogical during PMS, it doesn't make me mentally ill, however, it could serve as the trigger if I killed someone during it. Probably not a good example due to its biological basis.

I'm irritable, short tempered and more hotheaded than usual during PMS.

Never once have I become racist.

Something has to be there already to be triggered...

Some people are predisposed to abnormal behaviours and thoughts i.e. racists."

With any ism I will veer towards the nurture side of the nurture v nature debate.

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over a year ago

"Jeezus!

This is why we have a justice system, a rule of law and a prison system - as imperfect as they are - because the death penalty and mob rule are not a good idea.

He's done a terrible, shocking, abominable thing and should be locked up - possibly forever.

But getting all Old Testament is not the answer.

I don't suppose many of you have been inside a prison - I've been to quite a few in this country and abroad. They're not nice places, and they're not meant to be.

But what you have to remember is that you HAVE to demand the same minimum rights to the nastiest scum that YOU would expect if you were in a similar position.

His crime is extreme. But the punishment should not be death.

I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

I cannot see racism as a mental illness, however I can see it as a trigger in cases like these.

Okay......

Where's the sanity, balanced logical thought and rationale in ANY racist thought, behaviour or act?

There's never any...

I'm quite illogical during PMS, it doesn't make me mentally ill, however, it could serve as the trigger if I killed someone during it. Probably not a good example due to its biological basis.

I'm irritable, short tempered and more hotheaded than usual during PMS.

Never once have I become racist.

Something has to be there already to be triggered...

Some people are predisposed to abnormal behaviours and thoughts i.e. racists.

With any ism I will veer towards the nurture side of the nurture v nature debate."

Same difference.

General consensus is that you can only really nurture something that's already there...and

If it wasn't already there, the only people that are susceptible to becoming so are the ones without the mental capacity to see the bigger picture...mentally ill. Their reasoning is flawed.

Whether born so or not - it's still mental illness

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over a year ago

"Jeezus!

This is why we have a justice system, a rule of law and a prison system - as imperfect as they are - because the death penalty and mob rule are not a good idea.

He's done a terrible, shocking, abominable thing and should be locked up - possibly forever.

But getting all Old Testament is not the answer.

I don't suppose many of you have been inside a prison - I've been to quite a few in this country and abroad. They're not nice places, and they're not meant to be.

But what you have to remember is that you HAVE to demand the same minimum rights to the nastiest scum that YOU would expect if you were in a similar position.

His crime is extreme. But the punishment should not be death.

I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

I cannot see racism as a mental illness, however I can see it as a trigger in cases like these.

Okay......

Where's the sanity, balanced logical thought and rationale in ANY racist thought, behaviour or act?

There's never any...

I'm quite illogical during PMS, it doesn't make me mentally ill, however, it could serve as the trigger if I killed someone during it. Probably not a good example due to its biological basis.

I'm irritable, short tempered and more hotheaded than usual during PMS.

Never once have I become racist.

Something has to be there already to be triggered...

Some people are predisposed to abnormal behaviours and thoughts i.e. racists.

With any ism I will veer towards the nurture side of the nurture v nature debate.

Same difference.

General consensus is that you can only really nurture something that's already there...and

If it wasn't already there, the only people that are susceptible to becoming so are the ones without the mental capacity to see the bigger picture...mentally ill. Their reasoning is flawed.

Whether born so or not - it's still mental illness

Lacking mental capacity in making certain decisions does not mean someone is mentally ill. Thank God for the Mental Capacity Act!

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

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A EYE FOR A EYE WHATS WRONG WITH THAT

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"Jeezus!

This is why we have a justice system, a rule of law and a prison system - as imperfect as they are - because the death penalty and mob rule are not a good idea.

He's done a terrible, shocking, abominable thing and should be locked up - possibly forever.

But getting all Old Testament is not the answer.

I don't suppose many of you have been inside a prison - I've been to quite a few in this country and abroad. They're not nice places, and they're not meant to be.

But what you have to remember is that you HAVE to demand the same minimum rights to the nastiest scum that YOU would expect if you were in a similar position.

His crime is extreme. But the punishment should not be death.

I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

I cannot see racism as a mental illness, however I can see it as a trigger in cases like these.

Okay......

Where's the sanity, balanced logical thought and rationale in ANY racist thought, behaviour or act?

There's never any...

I'm quite illogical during PMS, it doesn't make me mentally ill, however, it could serve as the trigger if I killed someone during it. Probably not a good example due to its biological basis.

I'm irritable, short tempered and more hotheaded than usual during PMS.

Never once have I become racist.

Something has to be there already to be triggered...

Some people are predisposed to abnormal behaviours and thoughts i.e. racists.

With any ism I will veer towards the nurture side of the nurture v nature debate.

Same difference.

General consensus is that you can only really nurture something that's already there...and

If it wasn't already there, the only people that are susceptible to becoming so are the ones without the mental capacity to see the bigger picture...mentally ill. Their reasoning is flawed.

Whether born so or not - it's still mental illness

Lacking mental capacity in making certain decisions does not mean someone is mentally ill. Thank God for the Mental Capacity Act!"

I rest my case

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By *ain n MableWoman
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

I guess thats a NO then?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"A EYE FOR A EYE WHATS WRONG WITH THAT"
soon every body is blind but hey ho

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands

Yes - I said that

id love to see your opinion if someone committed a racist murder of someone you care about. would you go to court saying it ok ur honour hes mentally ill

Yes-of course I would say it's okay. I've said all the way through this thread that it's okay

so youd go to court and say u dont want the guy who chopped my mum dad and sister up to go to jail cus he just needs a few months in rampton to get his head straight. course u wouldnt. youd be wanting the key thrown away

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

I would reserve the death penalty for those who want it.

So a murder can ask for it.

But not the victim or society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jeezus!

This is why we have a justice system, a rule of law and a prison system - as imperfect as they are - because the death penalty and mob rule are not a good idea.

He's done a terrible, shocking, abominable thing and should be locked up - possibly forever.

But getting all Old Testament is not the answer.

I don't suppose many of you have been inside a prison - I've been to quite a few in this country and abroad. They're not nice places, and they're not meant to be.

But what you have to remember is that you HAVE to demand the same minimum rights to the nastiest scum that YOU would expect if you were in a similar position.

His crime is extreme. But the punishment should not be death.

I've been a prison visitor and had a longterm bf that did numerous stretches... prison is horrible, many of the people in them ARE mentally ill.

Definitely most of the racists in there are unhinged.

Racism should be classed as a learning difficulty, or put on the spectrum at the very least.

I cannot see racism as a mental illness, however I can see it as a trigger in cases like these.

Okay......

Where's the sanity, balanced logical thought and rationale in ANY racist thought, behaviour or act?

There's never any...

I'm quite illogical during PMS, it doesn't make me mentally ill, however, it could serve as the trigger if I killed someone during it. Probably not a good example due to its biological basis.

I'm irritable, short tempered and more hotheaded than usual during PMS.

Never once have I become racist.

Something has to be there already to be triggered...

Some people are predisposed to abnormal behaviours and thoughts i.e. racists.

With any ism I will veer towards the nurture side of the nurture v nature debate.

Same difference.

General consensus is that you can only really nurture something that's already there...and

If it wasn't already there, the only people that are susceptible to becoming so are the ones without the mental capacity to see the bigger picture...mentally ill. Their reasoning is flawed.

Whether born so or not - it's still mental illness

Lacking mental capacity in making certain decisions does not mean someone is mentally ill. Thank God for the Mental Capacity Act!

I rest my case"

Riiiiiight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes - I said that

id love to see your opinion if someone committed a racist murder of someone you care about. would you go to court saying it ok ur honour hes mentally ill

Yes-of course I would say it's okay. I've said all the way through this thread that it's okay

You know a lot about what I'd say and do don't you

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i think this is one of those cases where the state of south carolina are absolutely going to push for the death penalty.... but in the end its is going to be let up to families of those who will end up deciding...

and after hearing the representatives of the families yesterday.. i don't think they will....

wouldn't be surprised if it was one of those weird verdicts where is it "life + 100 years"...... or make the life sentence's run one after another to make sure he never gets out

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"i think this is one of those cases where the state of south carolina are absolutely going to push for the death penalty.... but in the end its is going to be let up to families of those who will end up deciding...

and after hearing the representatives of the families yesterday.. i don't think they will....

wouldn't be surprised if it was one of those weird verdicts where is it "life + 100 years"...... or make the life sentence's run one after another to make sure he never gets out"

The statements from the church and family present are consistently about love and not perpetrating hate. They are saying they have to forgive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the death penalty the right thing for a 21 year old who obviously needs help with his mental state. I personally think not but who am I to say. I am not a doctor or have a medical degree but I do have compassion.

Yes what this young man did was wrong on 9 counts however killing him would make us as bad as he is an eye for an eye and all that.

The big thing is gun culture in the USA is something that has to change to cut down a lot of these killings.

Too easy to get a gun and as they say bare arms

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

There's no doubt about his guilt, when he is tried he will undoubtedly be found guilty and sentenced. The biggest negative on the death penalty is the possibility no matter how small is that an innocent person will be killed.

In this case it's not a problem, but in the certain knowledge that he is never going to be free ever again, he should be offered a choice.

He can opt for euthanasia and end it all without pain or spend the next 45 years in prison. It's not the state who would be deciding his fate but himself.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

and after hearing the representatives of the families yesterday.. i don't think they will....

wouldn't be surprised if it was one of those weird verdicts where is it "life + 100 years"...... or make the life sentence's run one after another to make sure he never gets out

The statements from the church and family present are consistently about love and not perpetrating hate. They are saying they have to forgive.

exactly.... the clamour is going to be for the death penalty.. but if they push for it against the families wishes... that is going really.. really awkward...

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