FabSwingers.com forum: Selling a car.... Scam?

By *layerz OP Couple
over a year ago

Swansea

I am selling a pretty decent car, BMW 330d M sport. I have this guy in South London who is desperate to buy it, I live about 150 miles away from him and there are loads of the same model for a similar price between us, literally hundreds. He keeps phoning and texting wanting me to go to London and he "guarantees" he will buy the car. Something just doesn't feel right, even though he has said he'll get on a train and come to South Wales and buy it... Is there any kind of scam he could pull? I have said I won't sign the dad over to him until the money has hit my account and he's happy with that. Trouble I advertised it about 3 months ago and the asme guy was behaving exactly the same way. FFS he's even offered to put a deposit into my bank account if I promise not to sell it to anyone else.... Anyone else had a similar situation and does anyone in the trade have any advice?

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

I'd say use PayPal and make him travel to you.

He could just know his cars and know exactly the condition etc he wants it in. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The worst scam I've heard of is the buyer paying in cash for the car at the buyers house and filling in the sellers details only, then driving the car away.

An hour later there's a couple of large "gentlemen" with baseball bats at your door "asking" for the money they know you have.

If I've sold cars for cash I do the deal in town and go straight to the bank.

This is probably a worst case scenario.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does your dad know you are selling him?

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By *aeDragonCouple
over a year ago

Calne

I had similar experiences selling my 530d Msport a few years ago... one guy even agreed one price on the phone, turned up and claimed I'd agreed to a price 1k less!

If you tell your seller to turn up with cash only.. he'll probably run away;) But in fairness that's really the only way you'll be able to guarantee that you get your money from him.

I think your best bet is to be polite but firm, explain that you feel that it doesn't add up for you in their situation, and say you'd rather sell locally.

Good luck!

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

It's not necessarily a scam, he could be a dealer. Be prepared for more haggling if he turns up and the car is not as advertised

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Does your dad know you are selling him?

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"I am selling a pretty decent car, BMW 330d M sport. I have this guy in South London who is desperate to buy it, I live about 150 miles away from him and there are loads of the same model for a similar price between us, literally hundreds. He keeps phoning and texting wanting me to go to London and he "guarantees" he will buy the car. Something just doesn't feel right, even though he has said he'll get on a train and come to South Wales and buy it... Is there any kind of scam he could pull? I have said I won't sign the dad over to him until the money has hit my account and he's happy with that. Trouble I advertised it about 3 months ago and the asme guy was behaving exactly the same way. FFS he's even offered to put a deposit into my bank account if I promise not to sell it to anyone else.... Anyone else had a similar situation and does anyone in the trade have any advice?

Get him to come to you with cash. Agree a price beforehand and stick to it. If he try's to haggle? Say no and call it quits - you've lost nothing.

Fill out the new keeper details whilst he's there and take a photo of them on your phone.

Go straight to the bank and pay the money in.

Simple. What could go wrong?

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Does your dad know you are selling him?

Maybe in Swansea, having your Dad in the passenger seat saying "turn left here" is what passes for Sat Nav?

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know how you feel, Last year we sold our Mitsubuishi L200 Warrior privately , we had loads of interest too and we felt like you guys, what if its a scam , what if they pay with counterfeit money,what if we get burgled or held up after the sale etc,,, we actually did the sale to the guy in the branch of our bank, if he's ligit and wants your car badly he should have no trouble doing this for you, and your bank should have no problem letting you do this.. we sold it for what we wanted and we knew the money was in our account and nothing was dodgy about it

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By *aeDragonCouple
over a year ago

Calne

Just remember. . Even if they turn up you're under no obligation to sell the car...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Years ago, I was contacted by someone offering to buy my car (my last one, not my current one)

Apparently an overseas buyer that was going to transfer money to my account but wanted me to make all shipping arrangements etc.

The interesting part about this story is that my car wasn't actually for sale at the time.

Be VERY careful.

There have been many car buying scams over the years.

Something to bear in mind is if you are paid with a cheque and wait until it clears, there can still be problems, as I remember hearing of several sellers who were caught out in this way. Cheques would clear and then banks would cancel / reclaim the payment due to some anomalies with the buyers account.

If someone asked me to drive to them, I would be highly suspicious - especially in London.

I would say, if you think they're dodgy, they probably are.

Have you not thought about selling it to webuyanycar?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just remember. . Even if they turn up you're under no obligation to sell the car..."

If an agreement has been reached then there is a legal obligation to sell the car. Practically speaking enforcing that agreement wouldn't be worth the time and effort

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you sure it wasn't terry tibs? lol

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I wouldn't drive 150 miles to meet a person who wants to buy my car anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have recently sold my 3 series vert and purchased a 4x4. Whilst clearly I could have done well given the time of year, there was few niggly bits that needed sorting and quite frankly I couldn't be doing with dickheads so I part exed. Yes I've perhaps lost a bit of money but if there are any issues with it then they have very little recourse to me.

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By *oe bloggs69Man
over a year ago

fife

Tell him he comes to you with cash or bankers draft,no other options or just hang onto beemer.if it wasn't a diesel I'd have been interested

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By *oe bloggs69Man
over a year ago

fife

"Just remember. . Even if they turn up you're under no obligation to sell the car...

If an agreement has been reached then there is a legal obligation to sell the car. Practically speaking enforcing that agreement wouldn't be worth the time and effort"
does it bollocks,nothing agreed till at least deposit is taken n even then stipulate in writing a time limit to pick up vehicle

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By *layerz OP Couple
over a year ago

Swansea

"Does your dad know you are selling him?

Bet my Dad wouldn't mind being sold to a few people on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just remember. . Even if they turn up you're under no obligation to sell the car...

If an agreement has been reached then there is a legal obligation to sell the car. Practically speaking enforcing that agreement wouldn't be worth the time and effortdoes it bollocks,nothing agreed till at least deposit is taken n even then stipulate in writing a time limit to pick up vehicle"

If you have reached an agreement to sell and that party is willing to pay the price agreed for that vehicle they could force you to perform it. Reality is who agrees to by a car without seeing it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't know much about cars so forgive my ignorance. Could your car be a limited or special edition and your selling it alot cheaper then it should be? My ex husbands had a friend who bought a rare motorbike dirt cheap because the seller didn't realise it was a special edition x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tell him he comes to you with cash or bankers draft,no other options or just hang onto beemer.if it wasn't a diesel I'd have been interested"

Why would you be interested in a generic beemer which is half way across the country?

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By *oe bloggs69Man
over a year ago

fife

Why I'd buy a BMW or any car is frankly none of yr business

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why I'd buy a BMW or any car is frankly none of yr business"

The whole reason the OP has suspicion of the 'buyer' is because the car is nothing special and there are loads of them about, as far as I can see your even further away!

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By *oe bloggs69Man
over a year ago

fife

I said if it wasn't a diesel I'd be interested but it is a diesel,I've travelled further for the right car. can't you read properly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I said if it wasn't a diesel I'd be interested but it is a diesel,I've travelled further for the right car. can't you read properly? "

I think you are missing the irony. Don't worry about it

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By *oe bloggs69Man
over a year ago

fife

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By *oe bloggs69Man
over a year ago

fife

I don't worry about much,certainly not yr comments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have heard about a scam on Gumtree with same details, but I can't remember the details. I say if your gut says no don't do it. Or ask for cash upfront and meet him in your bank where its safe and you can put the money straight in you account xx

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By *ewbiesleedsCouple
over a year ago

Naas

Hi there are 4 ways that this scam works (if it is a scam )

1) most common - when the "buyer" arrives naturally they want a test drive and usually ask you to accompany them so as not to arouse any suspicions - they will not arrive alone and one person will remain at your address whilst you and the "buyer" go for a test drive. During that test drive at some point you will stop and be removed from the vehicle at which point it will be driven off, immediately a call will be made and their friend will leave your house in their car which will be on false plates.

2) Someone suggested a bankers draft - BAD idea! unless you can call their bank and have them confirm and approve it while they are with you before you have the keys over - 2 reasons for this - 1st a bankers draft only actually proves funds were available at the time it was issued secondly they are one of the most common forgeries used!

3) You will actually only receive around £10,000 for your car because around 30% of the notes handed to you when they pay cash will be fake.

4)they will be making a bank transfer from an account that isn't theirs, which ultimately will mean returning the money and you will never see the car or your money again.

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By *oe bloggs69Man
over a year ago

fife

"I have heard about a scam on Gumtree with same details, but I can't remember the details. I say if your gut says no don't do it. Or ask for cash upfront and meet him in your bank where its safe and you can put the money straight in you account xx"

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By *oe bloggs69Man
over a year ago

fife

"Hi there are 4 ways that this scam works (if it is a scam )

3) You will actually only receive around £10,000 for your car because around 30% of the notes handed to you when they pay cash will be fake.

4)they will be making a bank transfer from an account that isn't theirs, which ultimately will mean returning the money and you will never see the car or your money again."
point2 yep you would find their bank automatically, if the buyer isn't happy about this then you would walk away anyway

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By *ewbiesleedsCouple
over a year ago

Naas

the biggest issues with private car sales and bankers draft is most deals tend be done in an evening around people working and that can cause difficulties having it confirmed by bank

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

if its a large sum of cash, they could scam you with fake notes, it has been done and is a regular scam

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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago

Lordswood

"I wouldn't drive 150 miles to meet a person who wants to buy my car anyway."

this

if he really wanted the car he'd have arranged to come to you and not be asking you to drive down. I travelled all the way to Scarboro once to buy a car I wanted, then had the fun of driving it back

If accepting cash you have to be able to verify that it's not fake, perhaps arrange to go to the bank and have them check it and pay it to your account and exchange the V5 there?

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

if someone really wanted your car they would travel the 150, but if you go to them they will knock you down in price and if you dont sell thats 300 miles driving poss 50 quid in fuel and a day wasted, as for webuyanycar avoid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd say use PayPal and make him travel to you.

He could just know his cars and know exactly the condition etc he wants it in. x"

Paypal is easy to recover money off.

If he wants to buy it then get him to travel to you. If he wants it at much as he's making out he will come.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

" I know how you feel, Last year we sold our Mitsubuishi L200 Warrior privately , we had loads of interest too and we felt like you guys, what if its a scam , what if they pay with counterfeit money,what if we get burgled or held up after the sale etc,,, we actually did the sale to the guy in the branch of our bank, if he's ligit and wants your car badly he should have no trouble doing this for you, and your bank should have no problem letting you do this.. we sold it for what we wanted and we knew the money was in our account and nothing was dodgy about it "

This is how I sell mine when I do it- cash in the bank over the counter, then it's their responsibility if there's any problems with the notes as you have a receipt.

My last one I sold, I got the ' I'll pay by PayPal and send the cost of the car transportation too, when the guy picks it up- give him the cash' hmmmmm? Yeahhhhh? Fuckofffff!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He could just be an enthusiast and your car is exactly what he wants.

It's not unusual for members of owners clubs to drive hundreds of miles for the car they want, I've give lifts to plenty of members of the AROC to collect their perfect car.

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

I put mine on gumtree People contacted me from above Birmingham so about 150. He and his wife drove down and brought half cash and went to the bank to transfer the rest. I would never have gone to them.

make him travel if he wants it. You would be so pissed if it were a hoax.

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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago

Lordswood

"He could just be an enthusiast and your car is exactly what he wants.

It's not unusual for members of owners clubs to drive hundreds of miles for the car they want, I've give lifts to plenty of members of the AROC to collect their perfect car."

I'd agree if he was arranging to travel, but not if he's suggesting they drive to him.

oh, fellow alfa owner btw

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By *orseydaveMan
over a year ago

Norwich NR5

I sell a few motors, I always ask they deposit 25% of the agreed price into my bank account..NEVER PAYPAL its too easy to deposit then withdrawer it etc.

I take a mate with me, and always meet somewhere public with cctv .

Is it a con ? sounds dodgy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He could just be an enthusiast and your car is exactly what he wants.

It's not unusual for members of owners clubs to drive hundreds of miles for the car they want, I've give lifts to plenty of members of the AROC to collect their perfect car.

I'd agree if he was arranging to travel, but not if he's suggesting they drive to him.

oh, fellow alfa owner btw

How far did you travel for yours?

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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago

Lordswood

"I sell a few motors, I always ask they deposit 25% of the agreed price into my bank account..NEVER PAYPAL its too easy to deposit then withdrawer it etc.

I take a mate with me, and always meet somewhere public with cctv .

Is it a con ? sounds dodgy"

yep, all they'd have to do is raise a dispute with maybe a faked report and if paypal agree and step in and pull the cash you lose

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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago

Lordswood

"He could just be an enthusiast and your car is exactly what he wants.

It's not unusual for members of owners clubs to drive hundreds of miles for the car they want, I've give lifts to plenty of members of the AROC to collect their perfect car.

I'd agree if he was arranging to travel, but not if he's suggesting they drive to him.

oh, fellow alfa owner btw

How far did you travel for yours?

only about 70 miles, was a peach, one little old lady owner from new and hardly any miles

Think it's still recovering from being driven "properly"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He could just be an enthusiast and your car is exactly what he wants.

It's not unusual for members of owners clubs to drive hundreds of miles for the car they want, I've give lifts to plenty of members of the AROC to collect their perfect car.

I'd agree if he was arranging to travel, but not if he's suggesting they drive to him.

oh, fellow alfa owner btw

How far did you travel for yours?

only about 70 miles, was a peach, one little old lady owner from new and hardly any miles

Think it's still recovering from being driven "properly"

Gotta love an Italian tune up every now and again...

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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago

Lordswood

"He could just be an enthusiast and your car is exactly what he wants.

It's not unusual for members of owners clubs to drive hundreds of miles for the car they want, I've give lifts to plenty of members of the AROC to collect their perfect car.

I'd agree if he was arranging to travel, but not if he's suggesting they drive to him.

oh, fellow alfa owner btw

How far did you travel for yours?

only about 70 miles, was a peach, one little old lady owner from new and hardly any miles

Think it's still recovering from being driven "properly"

Gotta love an Italian tune up every now and again...

so true, they were made to be driven not to pootle about. The busso engine sounds so good too

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By *irthyMan
over a year ago

outside banbury

Brose forum on pistnheads or indeed post there. Plenty of stories of similar approaches. Exercise extreme caution for all the reasons you have highlighted - not a rare car over eager "purchaser"....

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By *irthyMan
over a year ago

outside banbury

The offer of a Deposit rings bigger than Big Ben............... extreme caution advised....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He could just be an enthusiast and your car is exactly what he wants.

It's not unusual for members of owners clubs to drive hundreds of miles for the car they want, I've give lifts to plenty of members of the AROC to collect their perfect car.

I'd agree if he was arranging to travel, but not if he's suggesting they drive to him.

oh, fellow alfa owner btw

How far did you travel for yours?

only about 70 miles, was a peach, one little old lady owner from new and hardly any miles

Think it's still recovering from being driven "properly"

Gotta love an Italian tune up every now and again...

so true, they were made to be driven not to pootle about. The busso engine sounds so good too

My current mileage means a Busso is out of the question at the moment. But as soon as September comes I'll be on the hunt for a GT 3.2 (pre-2005). I will then be fitting a Ragazzon exhaust and throwing the pre-cats in the bin...

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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago

Lordswood

"He could just be an enthusiast and your car is exactly what he wants.

It's not unusual for members of owners clubs to drive hundreds of miles for the car they want, I've give lifts to plenty of members of the AROC to collect their perfect car.

I'd agree if he was arranging to travel, but not if he's suggesting they drive to him.

oh, fellow alfa owner btw

How far did you travel for yours?

only about 70 miles, was a peach, one little old lady owner from new and hardly any miles

Think it's still recovering from being driven "properly"

Gotta love an Italian tune up every now and again...

so true, they were made to be driven not to pootle about. The busso engine sounds so good too

mine's a 2.5 156 but know what you mean on fuel consumption.

Right we better stop hijacking the OP's thread

as others have said here OP should be cautious, if unsure at all just firmly say NO. Better no sale than be scammed.

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By *layerz OP Couple
over a year ago

Swansea

"He could just be an enthusiast and your car is exactly what he wants.

It's not unusual for members of owners clubs to drive hundreds of miles for the car they want, I've give lifts to plenty of members of the AROC to collect their perfect car.

I'd agree if he was arranging to travel, but not if he's suggesting they drive to him.

oh, fellow alfa owner btw

How far did you travel for yours?

only about 70 miles, was a peach, one little old lady owner from new and hardly any miles

Think it's still recovering from being driven "properly"

Gotta love an Italian tune up every now and again...

so true, they were made to be driven not to pootle about. The busso engine sounds so good too

mine's a 2.5 156 but know what you mean on fuel consumption.

Right we better stop hijacking the OP's thread

as others have said here OP should be cautious, if unsure at all just firmly say NO. Better no sale than be scammed."

No problem, not Hi-jacked at all, would like to say thanks to everyone for valuable contributions... Think jam going to take the majority of advice and say No! Thanks again to one and all.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

Do t go e him any personal details whatsoever , I would imagine your car is sought after so I would wait for someone who doesn't appear as dodgy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He could just be an enthusiast and your car is exactly what he wants.

It's not unusual for members of owners clubs to drive hundreds of miles for the car they want, I've give lifts to plenty of members of the AROC to collect their perfect car.

I'd agree if he was arranging to travel, but not if he's suggesting they drive to him.

oh, fellow alfa owner btw

How far did you travel for yours?

only about 70 miles, was a peach, one little old lady owner from new and hardly any miles

Think it's still recovering from being driven "properly"

Gotta love an Italian tune up every now and again...

so true, they were made to be driven not to pootle about. The busso engine sounds so good too

mine's a 2.5 156 but know what you mean on fuel consumption.

Right we better stop hijacking the OP's thread

as others have said here OP should be cautious, if unsure at all just firmly say NO. Better no sale than be scammed."

Mines a GT Blackline JTDm. I've had it mapped to 210bhp and its actually more economical than when it was standard @ 150bhp

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

It really is quite simple...

He travels 150 miles to see the car, it costs him and you have the upper hand in negotiations, he pays your price or gets to pay for another single ticket home...

You travel to him the costs are yours and he he has the negotiating advantage over you...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

He won't come to you - how else will he be uncooperative? Sounds like a dealer, someone who has low commitment level or scam. And would be putting you in a position of weakness, being in an area you don't know. You'd be easier prey for scammers.

Don't take a deposit from him, if it means you provide your bank details. That's a load of potential fraud in its own right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get him to come to you with cash. Agree a price beforehand and stick to it. If he try's to haggle? Say no and call it quits - you've lost nothing.

Fill out the new keeper details whilst he's there and take a photo of them on your phone.

Go straight to the bank and pay the money in.

Simple. What could go wrong?

The notes could be counterfeit?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I always do a part exchange on my old cars when I buy another from a reputable dealer. That way I know I'm losing some cash on it but that is outweighed for me by walking away from the old one and having a new one hassle free.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

He could ask for a test drive , then nick it be carfull, you wouldnt be the only one thats been left standing at the roadside waiting for your car to come back ,

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

The last time I sold a car privately, we met and the deal was donecwhen the cash was paid by the buyer into my bank account while I stood with him. He was aware of this arrangement in advance and I then went off for a well deserved drink

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

If something sounds a bit too complex, then I'd walk away.

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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago

Lordswood

Mines a GT Blackline JTDm. I've had it mapped to 210bhp and its actually more economical than when it was standard @ 150bhp

nice!

being a q-sys mine's heavier on fuel but is fun and relaxed in traffic. The "spare" one on my drive is identical but no-one was interested when I was looking to sell, manual is more popular plus the fuel consumption etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cash only cash.

Could pay by cheque oh look money's there then it bounced 12 days later.

I bet a "friend or relative" will lay and pick it up etc and he'll pay extra for the inconvenience

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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago

Lordswood

Cash only cash.

Could pay by cheque oh look money's there then it bounced 12 days later.

I bet a "friend or relative" will lay and pick it up etc and he'll pay extra for the inconvenience"

but how would you know if it was fake cash, or proceeds of a robbery and the serial numbers are on a watch list?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mines a GT Blackline JTDm. I've had it mapped to 210bhp and its actually more economical than when it was standard @ 150bhp

nice!

I may actually know someone who'd be interested..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Is op clearer on whether he's going to close the communication with the persistent buyer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cash only cash.

Could pay by cheque oh look money's there then it bounced 12 days later.

I bet a "friend or relative" will lay and pick it up etc and he'll pay extra for the inconvenience

but how would you know if it was fake cash, or proceeds of a robbery and the serial numbers are on a watch list?"

Do the exchange in the bank and pay it in immediately?

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By *riskygazMan
over a year ago

birmingham

the one I had recently which turns out to be a common scam is, the buyer makes up some story giving a reason why he cant pick it up in person, working out of the country or some bull like that, he agrees on a price and say he will arrange a courier service to pick up the car, you then get a convincing Email apparently from paypal saying the money has been sent and the buyer has also added a couple of hundred pounds for you to arrange a courier service and gives the details of which courier to use, it then states all though the money has been sent it will not show on your account until after you pay the courier, so if you fall for it and pay the £250 you have just been screwed and not in a good way

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"I'd say use PayPal and make him travel to you.

Never, ever accept Paypal for something that is being collected.

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