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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Another tragic mass shooting in the US

Nine people have died after a young white man entered and attacked a prayer meeting at a Baptist Church in Charleston

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

The right to bare arms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The U.S. has at least 330,000,000 people and, therefore, a certain amount of crime. I think that there are about 9,000 murders a year, mostly black-on-black, and probably involving gangs, drugs, or alcohol. I have already given links to U.S. government crime statistics in a previous post but will not waste my time doing so again because I am certain that no one is interested. Nevertheless, it is a fact that the populations of the murder capitols of the U.S. are mostly minorities, especially black. There really is a difference in crime rates based on demographics of population. This is not my fault. Any mass shootings are very rare compared to ordinary crime but they receive national and international publicity and influence the views of those who simply don't like guns, don't know anything about them, and who assume they know what is best for everyone anyway. I only ask that people be "open-minded" and "tolerant" of "diversity".

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Yes....we should be open.minded and tolerant.people should be allowed to kill people however they see fit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What do u class as 'ordinary' crime? Mass shootings of any sort involving the death of our fellow human beings is tragic. God rest their souls. Folk in prayer targeted by some gun worshipping lunatic no doubt.....but hey guns are a necessity in the good old US of A

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes....we should be open.minded and tolerant.people should be allowed to kill people however they see fit "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The U.S. has at least 330,000,000 people and, therefore, a certain amount of crime. I think that there are about 9,000 murders a year, mostly black-on-black, and probably involving gangs, drugs, or alcohol. I have already given links to U.S. government crime statistics in a previous post but will not waste my time doing so again because I am certain that no one is interested. Nevertheless, it is a fact that the populations of the murder capitols of the U.S. are mostly minorities, especially black. There really is a difference in crime rates based on demographics of population. This is not my fault. Any mass shootings are very rare compared to ordinary crime but they receive national and international publicity and influence the views of those who simply don't like guns, don't know anything about them, and who assume they know what is best for everyone anyway. I only ask that people be "open-minded" and "tolerant" of "diversity". "

The NRA say that the solution is more guns and less gun control; is that your position?

I cannot remember a situation when a member of Jo public in the USA stopped a mass shooting by shooting the maniac shooter. We have 63,000,000 people in the UK but far less mass shootings (Cumbria, Dunblane and Hungerford, come to mind) so our gun control works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bloody white people.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"The U.S. has at least 330,000,000 people and, therefore, a certain amount of crime. I think that there are about 9,000 murders a year, mostly black-on-black, and probably involving gangs, drugs, or alcohol. I have already given links to U.S. government crime statistics in a previous post but will not waste my time doing so again because I am certain that no one is interested. Nevertheless, it is a fact that the populations of the murder capitols of the U.S. are mostly minorities, especially black. There really is a difference in crime rates based on demographics of population. This is not my fault. Any mass shootings are very rare compared to ordinary crime but they receive national and international publicity and influence the views of those who simply don't like guns, don't know anything about them, and who assume they know what is best for everyone anyway. I only ask that people be "open-minded" and "tolerant" of "diversity". "

'Open minded and tolerant' of a system needing greater control and common sense application which where it any other issue not being distorted by the NRA etc and the green influence..?

because the majority of people are black or minorities does not alter the fact that the system is partly responsible for these deaths..

be a bit too late when the leafy suburbs or gated communities realise its out of control..

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Any Abykilling by any person by any means is wrong. It doesn't matter if the population is 2 or 2,000,000 and it doesn't matter what the demographics of that population is made up of.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Reminds me of that old Larson cartoon with a pair of aliens in a flying saucer that has the bumper sticker reading:

"Ray guns don't kill Zorbonians, Zorboinians kill Zorbonians"

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i think the difference in this one is that it is going to be labelled a "hate crime" murder

if that is the case.... then that is a whole different ballgame....

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Reminds me of that old Larson cartoon with a pair of aliens in a flying saucer that has the bumper sticker reading:

"Ray guns don't kill Zorbonians, Zorboinians kill Zorbonians""

Guns don't kill people, rappers do...I seen it in a documentary on BBC 2

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Makes no difference if guns are legal or not,if an individual is he'll bent on doing something like this they will get a gun,will they care if it's legal to do so?

But apart from that why are the Americans so hell bent on owning guns anyway? How many buffalo do you see wandering around the parks of American towns and cities?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reminds me of that old Larson cartoon with a pair of aliens in a flying saucer that has the bumper sticker reading:

"Ray guns don't kill Zorbonians, Zorboinians kill Zorbonians"

Guns don't kill people, rappers do...I seen it in a documentary on BBC 2 "

So do the police...........woo.....woo.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"i think the difference in this one is that it is going to be labelled a "hate crime" murder

if that is the case.... then that is a whole different ballgame.... "

this is sadly true..

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Hatred is a very destructive force.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Makes no difference if guns are legal or not,if an individual is he'll bent on doing something like this they will get a gun,will they care if it's legal to do so?

But apart from that why are the Americans so hell bent on owning guns anyway? How many buffalo do you see wandering around the parks of American towns and cities?"

One reason Americans own guns is to protect themselves from a violent totalitarian government.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"

One reason Americans own guns is to protect themselves from a violent totalitarian government."

I buy good quality yoghurt for much the same reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think what he meant was America only has 14000 homicides a year and most of these are black!!.

So crack on.

What a fucking statement of stupidity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Makes no difference if guns are legal or not,if an individual is he'll bent on doing something like this they will get a gun,will they care if it's legal to do so?

But apart from that why are the Americans so hell bent on owning guns anyway? How many buffalo do you see wandering around the parks of American towns and cities?

One reason Americans own guns is to protect themselves from a violent totalitarian government."

Like the ones they have had since the eighties?

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston

Just arm everyone. Anyone over 12 gets a free hand gun that would solve The problem they can then just kill each other at will. More people with more guns is clearly the solution anyone can see that! That's why trained professionals like the police don't get shot dead in restaurants without warning.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i think for you the truely understand the impact of what happened last night.... the one thing I would ask people to do is not to relate this to other gun crime is general... for several reasons....

1) this involves people involved in bible study in a church.... he walks in and knelt with them.. he shot them down but spare one person, so they could tell people what he did...

2) you have to know and understand the history behind this church in particular...

you are talking about a church that has basically been there since the beginning of the US, it was the oldest black church in the south.... if you know anything bout the civil rights movement, then you know about this church...

the person was cold blooded.. and probably the impact of what he was doing, and where he was doing it....

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston


"i think for you the truely understand the impact of what happened last night.... the one thing I would ask people to do is not to relate this to other gun crime is general... for several reasons....

1) this involves people involved in bible study in a church.... he walks in and knelt with them.. he shot them down but spare one person, so they could tell people what he did...

2) you have to know and understand the history behind this church in particular...

you are talking about a church that has basically been there since the beginning of the US, it was the oldest black church in the south.... if you know anything bout the civil rights movement, then you know about this church...

the person was cold blooded.. and probably the impact of what he was doing, and where he was doing it...."

If he, they didn't have a gun could they just walk in there and murder several people?

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By *andy57TV/TS
over a year ago

york

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By *andy57TV/TS
over a year ago

york

Guns do not kill people its the knobhead that is holding it that kills

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston

Everyone gets mad, angry or over reacts at some point, most on some reflection don't go out and kill anyone. However being able to deal instant death to others in the heat of the moment is rather easy, especially if you have a gun and ofcourse a determined individual may do this anyway but not on such a scale in such a small amount of time. This could be anyone anywhere especially in the USA, which even with it's large population seems too have a disproportionate amount of gun crime.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

the person who talked about instant death.. and heat of the moment made an interesting point...

problem is........ absolutely nothing do with this shooting....

the person who did this it is now being said sat with this group for bible study in the church for an hour before he did it...

it is now being said this person reloaded their gun 5 times whilst they did it....

the story gets sadder and more chilling... and i hope people actually have their facts straight on this case... before they start talking generally......

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"i think the difference in this one is that it is going to be labelled a "hate crime" murder

if that is the case.... then that is a whole different ballgame....

this is sadly true..

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Offically now being called a "hate crime" case by the DOJ and the FBI...... this is now something else...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, everyone hates guns, everyone blames guns.

Guns aren't the problem, people are.

The point about our gun controls working is deeply flawed as the restrictions only cam into place after the examples of mass shootings that were given and we have considerably fewer handguns than the US so it was easier to get them out of the hands of law abiding owners (which I was one of).

There's a state in the US where the head of each household is legally obliged to own a handgun and that state has the lowest crime figures in the whole of America yet Detroit has the strictest gun control laws and the worst crime statistics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think what he meant was America only has 14000 homicides a year and most of these are black!!.

So crack on.

What a fucking statement of stupidity"

Yep. Leave the rich white men at the top of the NRA alone for goodness sake. Nothing to see here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The right to bare arms "

As in wear a t-shirt?!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

let me raise this up a level and take it out of "gun land"........

apparently... this is now being investigated as a federal case.... which means that if they find a link between the guy named and any of the "hate crime groups"... they are going to treat it as "domestic terrorism".....

basically what you are going to have in effect.. is for this case to be treated in the same way as the "boston bombings".......

i hate that this conversation has turned into a general "gun laws" debate.... when this case is actually something that could turn out to be as far away for it as could be.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"let me raise this up a level and take it out of "gun land"........

apparently... this is now being investigated as a federal case.... which means that if they find a link between the guy named and any of the "hate crime groups"... they are going to treat it as "domestic terrorism".....

basically what you are going to have in effect.. is for this case to be treated in the same way as the "boston bombings".......

i hate that this conversation has turned into a general "gun laws" debate.... when this case is actually something that could turn out to be as far away for it as could be....."

It has to be expected in this country though. Everyone seems to think that guns randomly wander the streets killing people or somehow encourage people to go on killing sprees...

The usual bollocks.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Caught him in the next state up... in North Carolina.... about 4hrs from charleston

I am watching NBC breaking news

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Caught him in the next state up... in North Carolina.... about 4hrs from charleston

I am watching NBC breaking news"

He'll probably end up shot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Caught him in the next state up... in North Carolina.... about 4hrs from charleston

I am watching NBC breaking news"

Does South Carolina have the death penalty?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So, everyone hates guns, everyone blames guns.

Guns aren't the problem, people are.

The point about our gun controls working is deeply flawed as the restrictions only cam into place after the examples of mass shootings that were given and we have considerably fewer handguns than the US so it was easier to get them out of the hands of law abiding owners (which I was one of).

There's a state in the US where the head of each household is legally obliged to own a handgun and that state has the lowest crime figures in the whole of America yet Detroit has the strictest gun control laws and the worst crime statistics."
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Not one person has ever been shot by someone carrying a pitch fork!.

No guns aren't dangerous... Dangerous idiots with guns are though!

Dangerous idiots with guns and religious beliefs...

Dangerous idiots with guns and religious beliefs and poor...

Dangerous idiots with guns and religious beliefs and poor and a history of racism...

It's not the gun your right... But throw in the right mix and you get what you get!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So, everyone hates guns, everyone blames guns.

Guns aren't the problem, people are.

The point about our gun controls working is deeply flawed as the restrictions only cam into place after the examples of mass shootings that were given and we have considerably fewer handguns than the US so it was easier to get them out of the hands of law abiding owners (which I was one of).

There's a state in the US where the head of each household is legally obliged to own a handgun and that state has the lowest crime figures in the whole of America yet Detroit has the strictest gun control laws and the worst crime statistics..

Not one person has ever been shot by someone carrying a pitch fork!.

No guns aren't dangerous... Dangerous idiots with guns are though!

Dangerous idiots with guns and religious beliefs...

Dangerous idiots with guns and religious beliefs and poor...

Dangerous idiots with guns and religious beliefs and poor and a history of racism...

It's not the gun your right... But throw in the right mix and you get what you get!"

Same can be said for knives, forks, pointed sticks, machetes, cricket bats, broken bottles and any number of other things.

Do you know what the most common weapon for murders in the US is?

I'll give you a clue... It's not a gun.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


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It has to be expected in this country though. Everyone seems to think that guns randomly wander the streets killing people or somehow encourage people to go on killing sprees...

The usual bollocks."

most people are savvy enough to know it takes someone to pull the trigger be that negligently or deliberately as in this case..

too soon to say what if any the circumstances are with the ownership etc that this guy had, happened before and will happen again that where you have a system as lax as it is in some states within America that hindsight will be mentioned as a possible preventative..

when children are killing children by accident or when some misunderstood youth guns down kids at school etc then there are issues that need addressing across many area's of the current legislation..

thats what is bollocks..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's just sad so many people lost their lives.

Murder is murder, people have lost loved ones in a barbaric and cowardly way.

The backlash as a result of this could lead to more death's.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Caught him in the next state up... in North Carolina.... about 4hrs from charleston

I am watching NBC breaking news

Does South Carolina have the death penalty?"

wouldn't matter if it they are looking at it and trialed as a federal case... and they could ask for the death penalty or life without parole.....

but yes... south carolina does have the death penalty, however no one has been executed by the state for almost 5 years...

i think the fight is going to be if the state get to prosecute him, or the government....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It has to be expected in this country though. Everyone seems to think that guns randomly wander the streets killing people or somehow encourage people to go on killing sprees...

The usual bollocks.

most people are savvy enough to know it takes someone to pull the trigger be that negligently or deliberately as in this case..

too soon to say what if any the circumstances are with the ownership etc that this guy had, happened before and will happen again that where you have a system as lax as it is in some states within America that hindsight will be mentioned as a possible preventative..

when children are killing children by accident or when some misunderstood youth guns down kids at school etc then there are issues that need addressing across many area's of the current legislation..

thats what is bollocks.."

I've long said that the biggest issue with Americans and guns is how they store them. Loaded and in a drawer is not safe storage.

All rifles are barrel off and bolt out, stored in seperate safes. The magazine's are also separate and so is the ammunition.

It's fun when it comes to inspection time, the poor fellas here for ages!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So, everyone hates guns, everyone blames guns.

Guns aren't the problem, people are.

The point about our gun controls working is deeply flawed as the restrictions only cam into place after the examples of mass shootings that were given and we have considerably fewer handguns than the US so it was easier to get them out of the hands of law abiding owners (which I was one of).

There's a state in the US where the head of each household is legally obliged to own a handgun and that state has the lowest crime figures in the whole of America yet Detroit has the strictest gun control laws and the worst crime statistics..

Not one person has ever been shot by someone carrying a pitch fork!.

No guns aren't dangerous... Dangerous idiots with guns are though!

Dangerous idiots with guns and religious beliefs...

Dangerous idiots with guns and religious beliefs and poor...

Dangerous idiots with guns and religious beliefs and poor and a history of racism...

It's not the gun your right... But throw in the right mix and you get what you get!

Same can be said for knives, forks, pointed sticks, machetes, cricket bats, broken bottles and any number of other things.

Do you know what the most common weapon for murders in the US is?

I'll give you a clue... It's not a gun."
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Give me a clue.

I looked up FBI homicides it quotes an average of 14000 homicides

10000 average firearms

1200 average knife's

400 for clubs

30 for rope etc etc

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