FabSwingers.com forum: Sugar Daddys

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Apparently some university students are approaching "rich, older men" to fund their university education. One of the girls inter_iewed said that her Sugar Daddy paid her £1,000 a night for sex and that another paid her 1 to 2,000 as an allowance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a sugar daddy for a while, it was an arrangement that worked. He paid my tuition fees and for books I needed. I'd consider it again in the future too if the right person came along. Education is very expensive and scholarships are few and far between for my subject.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

...or poll dance?

It's hardly edifying but if it works for you...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If both parties are aware of what their particular arrangement is & both agree to it, good luck to them both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now there's a thought...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wouldn't bother me if any of my kids got their education this way, doubt they'll ever afford it by working a real job and i can't pay.

in fact if they make money outside of the exploitation of the poor system then i'd be happier than them making money by being part of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anyone wants to be my sugar daddy just message me and ignore everything on my profile as my requirements can change haha

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By *rc83Man
over a year ago

warrington

One of my best mates has a sugar daddy, he pays for a hell of a lot for her. Her birthday last year all expenses paid fortnight in Dubai. And regularly sends her gifts.

She's open about it to anyone she meets and if it's a problem with them that's just unlucky.

T works for some and not for others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If both parties are aware of what their particular arrangement is & both agree to it, good luck to them both."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If anyone wants to be my sugar daddy just message me and ignore everything on my profile as my requirements can change haha"

I'm too old

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not its an arrangement between two consenting adults.

What you do with the money you earn is up to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If anyone wants to be my sugar daddy just message me and ignore everything on my profile as my requirements can change haha

I'm too old

Me too. Any sugar Grandads out there? I could spice up your cocoa...lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't say no! But my heart and soul tells me it's wrong...

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Wandsworth

Well, where are the sugar mummy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why am i not surprised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isnt this just glorified prostitution ?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Apropos...

The women seeking rich older men to pay their university fees

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33166550

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This sounds like great fun...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isnt this just glorified prostitution ?"

Nope, glorious polite prostitution.

Still, if it helps advance Feminist agendas. oops i mean studies, then i'm all for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isnt this just glorified prostitution ?"

Nah its just plain old prostitution but the women don't want to have to call themselves prostitutes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently some university students are approaching "rich, older men" to fund their university education. One of the girls inter_iewed said that her Sugar Daddy paid her £1,000 a night for sex and that another paid her 1 to 2,000 as an allowance.

I've been approached on this site by younger women to be a Sugar Daddy and wondered if others had similar experiences and what your reaction would be if your daughter came home and told her she had her tuition fees sorted this way!"
what's wrong with dating a well off older man or woman? No one is under any illusion when they enter into those kind of arrangements. I had a sugar daddy and he gave me £1k per month for my uni fees. I didn't date anyone else. Just him. So it's not like escorting at all. No one bats an eyelid when a rich guy hands over ££££'s to his wife or girlfriend. And that's a potential nagging hassle kind of relationship lol. So a sugar baby arrangement / dating shouldn't be seen as any difficult

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What confuses me is this :

What's teh difference between :

a) FIFA selling the rights to their tournament to the highest bunger

b) The Premier League/FA selling the rights to their League/cup to the highest bidder

c) Labour Party selling rights to vote £3 for the next party leader

d) Women selling their asses/assets to a willing sexual partner?

Just the price? Value?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been approached on this site by younger women to be a Sugar Daddy and wondered if others had similar experiences and what your reaction would be if your daughter came home and told her she had her tuition fees sorted this way! what's wrong with dating a well off older man or woman? No one is under any illusion when they enter into those kind of arrangements. I had a sugar daddy and he gave me £1k per month for my uni fees. I didn't date anyone else. Just him. So it's not like escorting at all. No one bats an eyelid when a rich guy hands over ££££'s to his wife or girlfriend. And that's a potential nagging hassle kind of relationship lol. So a sugar baby arrangement / dating shouldn't be seen as any difficult "
it's actually a friend with benefits arrangement. We went out to restaurants, bars, shopping, cinema, holidays and stayed in for romantic meals and hugs on sofa watching films without any sex at all some times. So no not prostitution at all!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been approached on this site by younger women to be a Sugar Daddy and wondered if others had similar experiences and what your reaction would be if your daughter came home and told her she had her tuition fees sorted this way! what's wrong with dating a well off older man or woman? No one is under any illusion when they enter into those kind of arrangements. I had a sugar daddy and he gave me £1k per month for my uni fees. I didn't date anyone else. Just him. So it's not like escorting at all. No one bats an eyelid when a rich guy hands over ££££'s to his wife or girlfriend. And that's a potential nagging hassle kind of relationship lol. So a sugar baby arrangement / dating shouldn't be seen as any difficult it's actually a friend with benefits arrangement. We went out to restaurants, bars, shopping, cinema, holidays and stayed in for romantic meals and hugs on sofa watching films without any sex at all some times. So no not prostitution at all!!"

Ever go for an Egyptian cruise down de Nile?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what if it's prostitution? All work is prostitution at the end of the day, there's just no sex involved (and yes that doesn't make actual sense but it does).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what if it's prostitution? All work is prostitution at the end of the day, there's just no sex involved (and yes that doesn't make actual sense but it does).

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lol you mean your boss fucks you over everyday and pays you every week/month?? Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what if it's prostitution? All work is prostitution at the end of the day, there's just no sex involved (and yes that doesn't make actual sense but it does).

lol you mean your boss fucks you over everyday and pays you every week/month?? Lol

Yeah pretty much is that as well, but if anyone hires you for a fee then they hire you and they own you for that time. Slaves, prostitutes, workers, employees, call it what you want but it's all the same really.

Your boss used to be called a user but now we gave that name to drug addicts cox it's a derogatory word. Wonder why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No its not something I had or would ever consider. I also _iew it as prostitution and I have respect for myself and achieved what I have by myself.

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By *lligator3Man
over a year ago

Dundee

I know of an arrangement where a woman has fun with friends so she can buy the nicest things she craves.

Both parties are consenting an the arrangement works for them.

oh sorry I meant to say they are less friends and more like strangers, and the nice thing she buys more than others is usually heroin.

She doesn't sound like she wants to change whT she does either!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No its not something I had or would ever consider. I also _iew it as prostitution and I have respect for myself and achieved what I have by myself. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No its not something I had or would ever consider. I also _iew it as prostitution and I have respect for myself and achieved what I have by myself. "
may I ask if you've ever had a one night stand? Hmm well in my opinion it's worse giving yourself away like that or to a guy in a club or where ever and all due to him buying the girl a few drinks!

. Yet society accepts this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

I somehow doubt it.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

These kinds of things have always happened and don't need to be sexual. I help young fit guys, with special support and help guide dog puppies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

I somehow doubt it. "
did your wife or gf declare what money you gave her per month or year?? Hmm I think not. Yet housewives still provide their hubby a service and receive money or gifts for it. Yet that's OK because you have a slave contract.... sorry marriage certificate that "makes" it OK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

I somehow doubt it. "

Nope. And that's why it's stigmatised.

You aren't allowed to do anything without giving some government, that you didn't vote for, your money.

Can't be taking from the system or your scum, but being rich scum is ok. Pay in only, for the commoners.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't even drop dead without paying out, that's how stupid everything is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

I somehow doubt it.

Nope. And that's why it's stigmatised.

You aren't allowed to do anything without giving some government, that you didn't vote for, your money.

Can't be taking from the system or your scum, but being rich scum is ok. Pay in only, for the commoners."
brilliant lady. I like you!

. Happily buy you a drink. Don't worry I don't expect a service in return. Lol

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By *lligator3Man
over a year ago

Dundee

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

I somehow doubt it. did your wife or gf declare what money you gave her per month or year?? Hmm I think not. Yet housewives still provide their hubby a service and receive money or gifts for it. Yet that's OK because you have a slave contract.... sorry marriage certificate that "makes" it OK.

That comment is so wrong I don't know where to begin, you must be saying those things just get mugs like us to react??!?

But if not, any housekeeping cash will have already been taxed if Hubby received it from his employer in your scenario. An also I'd expect she runs the house an in this contract he knows to use a coaster for his cups 'or else' lol so kicks the nonsense slave thing I to touch...geez some right berty Bassett's here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

I somehow doubt it.

Nope. And that's why it's stigmatised.

You aren't allowed to do anything without giving some government, that you didn't vote for, your money.

Can't be taking from the system or your scum, but being rich scum is ok. Pay in only, for the commoners.

brilliant lady. I like you!

. Happily buy you a drink. Don't worry I don't expect a service in return. Lol"

haha thanks. i'll have a diet pepsi.

All shame is wrong, imo, and it's usually not for good reasons except to keep the status quo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

Only so much is allowed as a gift even between spouses also as it's basically an employment arrangement (would you still see this man if he didn't pay you?) It's taxable income.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

Only so much is allowed as a gift even between spouses also as it's basically an employment arrangement (would you still see this man if he didn't pay you?) It's taxable income."

Usually, only for Inheritance Tax purposes ie following death, and only within 7 years of said event. Income Tax wise there is no limit of a "gift".

There again, if someone can't determine what is, what is not prostitution, then one can hardly expect them to understand the intricacies of the various tax systems.

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

Think im too old for a Sugar Daddy now.. (cries)

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

i wouldn't judge anyone who has or makes an arrangement whether that is to support or feed their family, or an addiction or whatever the reason..

people make choices and unless you've been there its an unknown world but some of the 'comparisons' being made are ridiculous..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

Only so much is allowed as a gift even between spouses also as it's basically an employment arrangement (would you still see this man if he didn't pay you?) It's taxable income."
honestly I would yes. He was a rare gentleman. He was only helping me pay my uni fees. They wouldn't last forever and he helped me to prevent thousands of pounds of student debt. Each to their own though. I hate seeing girls sleeping around having one night stands with guys in club's etc but that's their way of living their life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

That comment is so wrong I don't know where to begin, you must be saying those things just get mugs like us to react??!?

I agree with her.

A marriage contract is basically a legal agreement between two people to share everything, and recieve tax benefits. Under law, under a governments laws who already control your money and how much of it they get to take from you.

Why pay tax on goods when your money has already been taxed?

Even your heating, food, clothing and basic needs, are taxed. Says it all really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes this is very common in the USA. It's funny because after these sugar babies graduate University and go out to the business world. These sugar daddies turn into mentors ... Lmao

Every guy I know that has entered in these relationships. Have eventually gotten caught by their wife and lost everything.

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By *lligator3Man
over a year ago

Dundee

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

Only so much is allowed as a gift even between spouses also as it's basically an employment arrangement (would you still see this man if he didn't pay you?) It's taxable income.

Usually, only for Inheritance Tax purposes ie following death, and only within 7 years of said event. Income Tax wise there is no limit of a "gift".

There again, if someone can't determine what is, what is not prostitution, then one can hardly expect them to understand the intricacies of the various tax systems.

When she swallows a load she becomes a consumer an will pay VAT on it...fact!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

Only so much is allowed as a gift even between spouses also as it's basically an employment arrangement (would you still see this man if he didn't pay you?) It's taxable income.

Usually, only for Inheritance Tax purposes ie following death, and only within 7 years of said event. Income Tax wise there is no limit of a "gift".

There again, if someone can't determine what is, what is not prostitution, then one can hardly expect them to understand the intricacies of the various tax systems.

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yes sir I agree you should educate yourself more with this subject. Good luck and happy studying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once a pro always a pro.

There's a guy down the golf club, has to bet on every hole, if not every shot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once a pro always a pro.

There's a guy down the golf club, has to bet on every hole, if not every shot. "
excellent. I'm sure he does it all with a smile on his face.

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Going back to the original concept of this thread ..... Whatever the rights and wrongs are (and these will vary because we are all different and have different ideals and limits) you need money to be a sugar daddy ....

I am old enough to be a 'daddy' or even 'grandaddy' but there would be litle 'sugar'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be interesting to know if all such arrangements were fully and scrupulously declared for taxation/benefits purposes.

I somehow doubt it. "

There's no legal requirement to declare gifts from friends below a certain value.

I don't declare the clothes, food or gas that my current partner buys me. Why would I have declared the books my previous partner bought me?

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

There's a website that connects sugar daddies with sugar babies.

I joined and got chatting to a few guys. Some genuinely just want to help girls out and be seen with them at restaurants, events etc (call me naive if you like). Some want to help you out or buy you things, take you for restaurants etc and then to a hotel.

I did not at any point feel pressured or if I was prostituting myself. I think it's a great way of getting a mutual arrangement. It's not for me at this time but I might decide to in the future.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Sugar mummy wanted , feel free to contact me ,

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By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago

MAMOBA, miles and miles of bugger all (Aberdeenshire)

I have dated older men in the past... do I consider them sugar daddies? No.

They have bought me nice gifts, and we did nice things together, and on occasion they helped me out.

My current lover is 11 years my senior, and took me away at the weekend - lovely hotel, meals out, doing things together we both enjoy, and he bought me some new dresses too, and recently helped me out with a large bill for my car - as a single mum, big unexpected bills can be a struggle. He helped me as my friend, not as a sugar daddy.

I don't consider it as prostitution - we have an open relationship, and are very close friends as well as lovers.

And as for the girls seeking sugar daddies for uni courses, I can see why, and don't see it as wrong as long as everyone is clear what its about. I'm about to go back to uni as a mature student to do my post grad, and its expensive.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

If the sex stopped, would people still get the gifts/ payments I wonder.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

sugar babies

offs, I have heard it all now

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

2 consenting adults can do as they wish...

if money is being paid, it's an income.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If both parties are aware of what their particular arrangement is & both agree to it, good luck to them both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a friend wants to help you out financially it's a friend helping you out. When sex is expected in return it's prostitution.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Whilst I've got no problem with working girls, ironically I find this distasteful.

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

If the sex stopped, would people still get the gifts/ payments I wonder."

Yes. Not all arrangements include sex.

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"sugar babies

offs, I have heard it all now"

It's the term from the site. Not one I made up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

If the sex stopped, would people still get the gifts/ payments I wonder."

I actually didn't have sex with my sugar daddy.

However your post implies that there is something wrong with prostitution. I don't believe that there is anything wrong with prostitution.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

If the sex stopped, would people still get the gifts/ payments I wonder.

Yes. Not all arrangements include sex. "

I am not sure you can answer "yes" unless you asked every person who is in that game the question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married."

Additionally, why does a bit of paper make it suddenly 'not prostitution' in your eyes?

Are you saying if someone married their sugar daddy (it's not a bad tax break) then it becomes ok?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

However your post implies that there is something wrong with prostitution. ."

It doesn't. You are reading into my post something that isn't there. BUT if I wanted to think prostitution is wrong...I could.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

However your post implies that there is something wrong with prostitution. .

It doesn't. You are reading into my post something that isn't there. BUT if I wanted to think prostitution is wrong...I could."

Perhaps.

But the statement seems to imply that it's ok to give someone money or gifts ("housekeeping") as part of a marriage, but not outside of a marriage.

It's a well known fact that many people get married in return for an easier life (there are plenty of young women like that on my course) so I personally don't see how many marriages, sugar-relationships or prostitution are particularly different. Except that prostitution and sugar-relationships seem more up front about the fact it's a financial arrangement.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

Additionally, why does a bit of paper make it suddenly 'not prostitution' in your eyes?

To be fair, I never get into discussions with anyone who using extreme comparisons to get their point across, and I think that is an extreme comparison.

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

If the sex stopped, would people still get the gifts/ payments I wonder.

Yes. Not all arrangements include sex.

I am not sure you can answer "yes" unless you asked every person who is in that game the question."

Maybe I misread / misunderstood your post. My point was that not all arrangements involve sex. From my admittedly limited experience it's a mutual agreement by both involved. Therefore if sex was agreed and it stopped then the arrangement would probably stop. Likewise if sex wasn't agreed and then requested the arrangement would probably stop.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

If the sex stopped, would people still get the gifts/ payments I wonder.

Yes. Not all arrangements include sex.

I am not sure you can answer "yes" unless you asked every person who is in that game the question.

Maybe I misread / misunderstood your post. My point was that not all arrangements involve sex. "

My question was about the ones that involved sex though

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

Additionally, why does a bit of paper make it suddenly 'not prostitution' in your eyes?

To be fair, I never get into discussions with anyone who using extreme comparisons to get their point across, and I think that is an extreme comparison.

After seeing your next post I am glad I don't get into that discussion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only thing that bothers me is if these sugar daddies can really afford it or do there families suffer as a consequence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

Additionally, why does a bit of paper make it suddenly 'not prostitution' in your eyes?

To be fair, I never get into discussions with anyone who using extreme comparisons to get their point across, and I think that is an extreme comparison.

After seeing your next post I am glad I don't get into that discussion

My point might seem extreme, but I am shocked at the amount of young women I have met in the past two years who are planning to marry almost exclusively for money.

This is, apparently, the future of marriage. Not an extreme set of edge cases, but quite a large proportion.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

All shame is wrong, imo, and it's usually not for good reasons except to keep the status quo.

Shame is just something that others have taught us to learn and is wrong, just from that principle alone - it's wrong on all levels anyway.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Never given it much thought as ive never needed a sugar daddy, if I want something I work to get it myself, I wouldn't want to be in a position where it can be thrown in my face if I refuse to something for said sugar daddy.

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"The only thing that bothers me is if these sugar daddies can really afford it or do there families suffer as a consequence."

Probably both!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"The only thing that bothers me is if these sugar daddies can really afford it or do there families suffer as a consequence."

I suppose they could always be single?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When people marry it's supposedly forever. A sugar daddy relationship will usually be between an older man /young woman with no long term commitment. I'm not saying it's wrong I just see it as gaining money in return for sex. There will be some women who marry a man for his money and I agree it's the same thing as a sugar daddy. If the man is happy to part with money to have a young woman as his wife that's his choice to make. In the end though not many young women stick around. That's the difference between the bit of paper and sugar daddies.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Ok as much as some may be joking, can people not keep posting they want a sugar daddy as Admin won't like it.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's not just sugar daddies of course. As us women have gotten more free of traditional boundaries, we've seen more sugar mommies - and there's a big audience eager for us.

I've seen some coverage of gifting too, where people never meet but the recipient selects gifts they'd like to have and people browsing on-line buy them and send them to them, perhaps from countries thousands of miles away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

Additionally, why does a bit of paper make it suddenly 'not prostitution' in your eyes?

To be fair, I never get into discussions with anyone who using extreme comparisons to get their point across, and I think that is an extreme comparison.

After seeing your next post I am glad I don't get into that discussion

My point might seem extreme, but I am shocked at the amount of young women I have met in the past two years who are planning to marry almost exclusively for money.

This is, apparently, the future of marriage. Not an extreme set of edge cases, but quite a large proportion."

I don't know any young women who are looking to marry for money. They all work hard and earn for themselves. I suppose it's the social circles you mix in.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"sugar babies

offs, I have heard it all now

It's the term from the site. Not one I made up

I appreciate that

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"sugar babies

offs, I have heard it all now

It's the term from the site. Not one I made up

I appreciate that

I quite like it though lol

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"sugar babies

offs, I have heard it all now

It's the term from the site. Not one I made up

I appreciate that

I quite like it though lol"

It's horrendous but we are all different

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Sugar Babies .... sounds like a girlie pop band.

Its a term I have not heard before, but can't say it bothers me !

As far as i am concerned if the young lady likes it, she can use it if she wants to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

If the sex stopped, would people still get the gifts/ payments I wonder.

I actually didn't have sex with my sugar daddy.

However your post implies that there is something wrong with prostitution. I don't believe that there is anything wrong with prostitution."

If you think prostitution is ok you clearly haven't seen the amount of drug addicts doing it to feed a habit they was forced into doing!if a man pays a girl for her time and there is no pressure or being forced by a third party that is her business so no one can judge but when girls are forced into sex for money that is wrong on every level, too many people have watched 50 shades of grey and now think it's all laa de laa land and exciting well it's not reality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would like to know if the daddy giving the money wanted to just be a friend without the money would these young women even entertain the idea. The money being the only attraction reinforces the prostitution argument for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sugar mommy required!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I need a sugar mummy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wouldn't bother me if any of my kids got their education this way, doubt they'll ever afford it by working a real job and i can't pay.

in fact if they make money outside of the exploitation of the poor system then i'd be happier than them making money by being part of it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would like to know if the daddy giving the money wanted to just be a friend without the money would these young women even entertain the idea. The money being the only attraction reinforces the prostitution argument for me. "

The fact they started talking to them because of money is prostituion, buying their body and "emotions" for time is and it isn't the same as working for a company unless your boss hands you your wage and expects a blowjob lol

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Personally, I prefer jelly babies, unless they are the green ones.

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By *orthLincsIronCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"No matter how much twisting people do, having an income / gifts in exchange for sex is prostitution and not the same as a male / female paying for the bills when married.

If the sex stopped, would people still get the gifts/ payments I wonder.

Yes. Not all arrangements include sex.

I am not sure you can answer "yes" unless you asked every person who is in that game the question.

If sex wasn't agreed and then requested I don't think the arrangement would stop, I think the seller's fees would go up accordingly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would you work your job without a wage though? Pretty much is the same thing. You allow someone to purchase you when you work for someone else. Even if you work for yourself you allow clients to purchase your time and skills.

I find it weird that when sex is brought into it then people think there's something wrong with that? Like you're pussy is worthless and nobody is allowed near it unless it's for free.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got banned off PoF for reporting an 18yr old who'd messaged me for "fun" in return for "helping with her studies....."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Like you're pussy is worthless and nobody is allowed near it unless it's for free. "

Sssssh! Don't tell Macavity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Like you're pussy is worthless and nobody is allowed near it unless it's for free.

Sssssh! Don't tell Macavity"

lol. i had to google that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it weird that when sex is brought into it then people think there's something wrong with that? Like you're pussy is worthless and nobody is allowed near it unless it's for free. "
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The difference is I type on a computer there is nothing personal about that and know they give me a wage they don't own me, a lot of suga daddies don't want the other person speaking and sleeping with other men Etc and without love that to me seems like owning. I also said there is nothing wrong with prostituion as long as both parties get what they want and there's nothing pressuring one or another. After all it's your body do what you want but don't sugar coat it to make you feel ok if you have to do that then you aren't ok with doing it as you are justifying what you are doing

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

There's many different aspects to a sugar daddy relationship.

For example, a widowed man in his late 50's who was unable to have children wants to spend some of his wealth helping a girl through university. All he wants in return is for her to join him at a nice restaurant once every few weeks. Where's the harm and where's the prostitution?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's many different aspects to a sugar daddy relationship.

That would be escorting

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

There's many different aspects to a sugar daddy relationship.

That would be escorting "

I give in. You seem intent on labelling this as something it isn't.

What must you think of people who work in care homes and give a resident a biscuit. They must be a sexual predator!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's many different aspects to a sugar daddy relationship.

That would be escorting

I give in. You seem intent on labelling this as something it isn't.

What must you think of people who work in care homes and give a resident a biscuit. They must be a sexual predator!!"

Yup that is exactly what I'm saying lol your labelling escorting/prostituion as a man being a Good Samaritan and you think I'm deluded take your blinkers off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it weird that when sex is brought into it then people think there's something wrong with that? Like you're pussy is worthless and nobody is allowed near it unless it's for free. s

That's what happens when you take paid work though, you agree to the terms between yourself and the employer. If a sugar daddy wants exclusivity and their client agrees then i think that's fair enough.

I feel selling your body for sex or just companionship is the same thing as working, and i'm not sugar coating anything, i really feel like all work is slavery - even if you enjoy it. When we didn't used to get paid for working (apart from a tiny bit of food) people got angry and rebelled, so people get money now and worked hard to get workers rights. The industrial age brought about a lot of changes to society that didn't favour the worker at all and workers have spent all the time since trying to get something decent for themselves, and in the western world it was getting there but we're seeing rights being taken back whenever opportunity arises (by huge corporations mainly).

Wages are basically the same thing as getting paid for sex, you're getting paid to provide a service for someone else. If there's nothing wrong with selling your mental skills, or your body for physical labour (which some people do look down on manual workers), then selling your fanny is ok too.

And it's fine that you think it's ok to do this stuff, just saying i see it as work. And like any job you can enjoy it or not, but if someone is paying you then you're owned by them for that time they pay you. You have to do your work during work hours, most people would get a warning or sacked for not doing their work so they do own you and make you do the work they want you to do.

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

For me the whole thing is about consent; if a girl wants to do this let her, if i guy wants to join in let him.

I cannot and will not condone prostitution where someone is forced into something she doesnt want to do but like many things of a sexual nature we are all different.

Many people enjoy BDSM and many dont, its about consent surely.

Why should others judge as long as everyone involved knows what is happening and is happy with what is going on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it weird that when sex is brought into it then people think there's something wrong with that? Like you're pussy is worthless and nobody is allowed near it unless it's for free. "

Because a body is something that shouldn't be owned or rented out,due to it belonging to a human being with emotions. If you want sex give it away for free. If you want money or gifts in exchange for sex,it's prostitution,no matter the money buys or the gifts are. If I had money I'd happily help someone through Uni,(although going by what someone said on here this week a student loan is more than sufficient to get you through) without the need for company or sex.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Well, where are the sugar mummy?"

In the tombs of Egypt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it weird that when sex is brought into it then people think there's something wrong with that? Like you're pussy is worthless and nobody is allowed near it unless it's for free. s

Prostituion is one of the oldest trades and I think it's fine but I don't like to see it labeled as something it isn't. I can look back on my jobs and think fuck that was a horrible job but when you've slept with people for money it will have a longer lasting effect (not for everyone obviously) and my company doesn't "own" I can still do what I want if I turn in late that's up to me they can't control that and if I'm sacked then I've lost that income but I'll get another. I've known girls forced into sexual jobs so I'm fully aware of its consequences like I said though prostituion is fine as long as everyone is safe and are aware it will effect them later on some more than others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it weird that when sex is brought into it then people think there's something wrong with that? Like you're pussy is worthless and nobody is allowed near it unless it's for free. s

Are you saying that having a sugar daddy who you have sex with is just like having a job?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it weird that when sex is brought into it then people think there's something wrong with that? Like you're pussy is worthless and nobody is allowed near it unless it's for free.

This is true

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

Not all agreements include sex!!!!

Have you never been taken out for a nice meal buy a guy who has paid the full bill?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not all agreements include sex!!!!

Have you never been taken out for a nice meal buy a guy who has paid the full bill?"

By and older man who I'm only talking to because of money no sorry I havent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it weird that when sex is brought into it then people think there's something wrong with that? Like you're pussy is worthless and nobody is allowed near it unless it's for free.

That's nice of you, about paying for someone for nothing in return, not many people aren't reciprocal. Although i feel if most people had the money for anything they would help out anyone.

I think i feel the way about regular employment as you do about prostitution and that working a regular job is depressing, takes up too much of my life as well.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

People can't really change the definition of a prostitute. It says having sex for money.

Having dates or being married is not the same thing, no matter how much people try to use it as a comparison and if I am honest, is making me cringe at the posts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you saying that having a sugar daddy who you have sex with is just like having a job? "

Yeah it is. You're doing something for someone else and getting paid for that.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

But what if they have diabetes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But what if they have diabetes?

If Tina has 12 cakes in one hand and 24 cakes in the other hand - what does Tina have?.....

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"But what if they have diabetes?

Then injections are the only way forward

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But what if they have diabetes?

If Tina has 12 cakes in one hand and 24 cakes in the other hand - what does Tina have?....."

Great Titz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because a body is something that shouldn't be owned or rented out,due to it belonging to a human being with emotions. If you want sex give it away for free. If you want money or gifts in exchange for sex,it's prostitution,no matter the money buys or the gifts are. If I had money I'd happily help someone through Uni,(although going by what someone said on here this week a student loan is more than sufficient to get you through) without the need for company or sex. "

Why is a body any different to a mind?

My client owns the content of my mind because I'm a writer. They own the intellectual property that I produce.

Why is it any less valid to sell my vagina than sell my mind?

Why are vaginas considered somehow sacred and special? They're not. They're just another part of the human body - one that can be used for making money if one wishes. Just like my hands can be sold to make money (jobs that use hands, like painters). My eyes can be sold to make money (photographers). And my mind can be bought (writers).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is a body any different to a mind?

My client owns the content of my mind because I'm a writer. They own the intellectual property that I produce.

Why is it any less valid to sell my vagina than sell my mind?

You sound like you don't value yourself at all,it isn't just a vagina where is your self respect

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Why is a body any different to a mind?

My client owns the content of my mind because I'm a writer. They own the intellectual property that I produce.

Why is it any less valid to sell my vagina than sell my mind?

Yep, and people sell their kidneys; all kool

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"If both parties are aware of what their particular arrangement is & both agree to it, good luck to them both."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is a body any different to a mind?

My client owns the content of my mind because I'm a writer. They own the intellectual property that I produce.

Why is it any less valid to sell my vagina than sell my mind?

Yep, and people sell their kidneys; all kool"

Some parts of China they sell dead babies this doesn't make it right?!?!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"But what if they have diabetes?

If Tina has 12 cakes in one hand and 24 cakes in the other hand - what does Tina have?....."

An invite to any party I want

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Why is a body any different to a mind?

My client owns the content of my mind because I'm a writer. They own the intellectual property that I produce.

Why is it any less valid to sell my vagina than sell my mind?

Yep, and people sell their kidneys; all kool

Some parts of China they sell dead babies this doesn't make it right?!?!

There are some parts ins Asia where they sell live babies; that is not right either

This is a very depressing thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is a body any different to a mind?

My client owns the content of my mind because I'm a writer. They own the intellectual property that I produce.

Why is it any less valid to sell my vagina than sell my mind?

Yep, and people sell their kidneys; all kool

Some parts of China they sell dead babies this doesn't make it right?!?!

There are some parts ins Asia where they sell live babies; that is not right either

This is a very depressing thread

The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you saying that having a sugar daddy who you have sex with is just like having a job?

Yeah it is. You're doing something for someone else and getting paid for that."

Then it's declarable income and has a job title. Prostitute,escort,sex worker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you saying that having a sugar daddy who you have sex with is just like having a job?

Yeah it is. You're doing something for someone else and getting paid for that.

Then it's declarable income and has a job title. Prostitute,escort,sex worker."

Soneone had there weetabix this Morning lol that's sharp x

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Why is a body any different to a mind?

My client owns the content of my mind because I'm a writer. They own the intellectual property that I produce.

Why is it any less valid to sell my vagina than sell my mind?

Yep, and people sell their kidneys; all kool

Some parts of China they sell dead babies this doesn't make it right?!?!

There are some parts ins Asia where they sell live babies; that is not right either

This is a very depressing thread

The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy "

I was making the same point and also that some people have a very skewed definition of prostitution

Whilst one should not be judgemental, it is nevertheless wrong to redefine everything else in life as prostitution just to justify oneself

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Not sure it is depressing me, but it is showing me, as if I didn't already know, how differently people _iew sex on this site.

As well as the differences in tolerance levels for other peoples _iews.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is a body any different to a mind?

My client owns the content of my mind because I'm a writer. They own the intellectual property that I produce.

Why is it any less valid to sell my vagina than sell my mind?

Yep, and people sell their kidneys; all kool

Some parts of China they sell dead babies this doesn't make it right?!?!

There are some parts ins Asia where they sell live babies; that is not right either

This is a very depressing thread

The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy

I was making the same point and also that some people have a very skewed definition of prostitution

Whilst one should not be judgemental, it is nevertheless wrong to redefine everything else in life as prostitution just to justify oneself"

Yeah sorry that was my point also but you have worded it a lot better than I have x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy "

Perhaps we should look at why so many 16-17 year old women feel that they have to follow this path?

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

Or perhaps we should look at why people think it's a problem to sell time or sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you saying that having a sugar daddy who you have sex with is just like having a job?

Yeah it is. You're doing something for someone else and getting paid for that.

Then it's declarable income and has a job title. Prostitute,escort,sex worker.

Soneone had there weetabix this Morning lol that's sharp x"

Not you it seems. If you have read all the thread you may realise why I said it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy

Perhaps we should look at why so many 16-17 year old women feel that they have to follow this path?

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

Or perhaps we should look at why people think it's a problem to sell time or sex."

Because we don't live in a free country we have to pay for our living and if people do it for escorting/prostituion then that's their business but working at a keyboard or labouring or whatever is not the same as being an escort/prostitute and perhaps its people like you telling other girls it's good to do it if your skint which is morally wrong how ever ou say it

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"People can't really change the definition of a prostitute. It says having sex for money.

Having dates or being married is not the same thing, no matter how much people try to use it as a comparison and if I am honest, is making me cringe at the posts

The point I'm trying to get across is sex is not always included.

The date argument is weak and I agree but I'm struggling to get people to see that. The escorting label is closer but I don't see why something that both people are happy with needs labelling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy

Perhaps we should look at why so many 16-17 year old women feel that they have to follow this path?

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

Or perhaps we should look at why people think it's a problem to sell time or sex."

There are plenty of young girls working part time jobs. Selling your body is easier and pays better. Boys do it to and are called rent boys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you saying that having a sugar daddy who you have sex with is just like having a job?

Yeah it is. You're doing something for someone else and getting paid for that.

Then it's declarable income and has a job title. Prostitute,escort,sex worker.

Soneone had there weetabix this Morning lol that's sharp x

Not you it seems. If you have read all the thread you may realise why I said it. "

I read and agreed with what you said....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy

Perhaps we should look at why so many 16-17 year old women feel that they have to follow this path?

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

Or perhaps we should look at why people think it's a problem to sell time or sex.

I don't consider prostitution to be morally wrong.

Why do you think it's morally wrong?

There are plenty of people who believe that swinging is morally wrong - yet here you are on a swinging site.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People can't really change the definition of a prostitute. It says having sex for money.

Having dates or being married is not the same thing, no matter how much people try to use it as a comparison and if I am honest, is making me cringe at the posts

The point I'm trying to get across is sex is not always included.

The date argument is weak and I agree but I'm struggling to get people to see that. The escorting label is closer but I don't see why something that both people are happy with needs labelling"

There isn't anything wrong if both are happy and get what they want. But it shouldn't be sugar coated so girls/women go into it knowing full well the effects of what's happening and going to happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy

Perhaps we should look at why so many 16-17 year old women feel that they have to follow this path?

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

Or perhaps we should look at why people think it's a problem to sell time or sex.

I don't consider prostitution to be morally wrong.

Why do you think it's morally wrong?

There are plenty of people who believe that swinging is morally wrong - yet here you are on a swinging site."

I didn't say it was morally wrong read my other posts also I answered a question you said saying perhaps we should think about why women think it's ok to go into it and I said because people like you saying its Ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you saying that having a sugar daddy who you have sex with is just like having a job?

Yeah it is. You're doing something for someone else and getting paid for that.

Then it's declarable income and has a job title. Prostitute,escort,sex worker.

Soneone had there weetabix this Morning lol that's sharp x

Not you it seems. If you have read all the thread you may realise why I said it.

I read and agreed with what you said...."

Sorry,I didn't have my Weetabix this morning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy

Perhaps we should look at why so many 16-17 year old women feel that they have to follow this path?

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

Or perhaps we should look at why people think it's a problem to sell time or sex.

I don't consider prostitution to be morally wrong.

Why do you think it's morally wrong?

There are plenty of people who believe that swinging is morally wrong - yet here you are on a swinging site.

So - by your logic - me saying that I had a good outcome from my sugar-relationship means that other people will blindly do it without thinking it through?

That sounds a bit... I don't know. It sounds a bit... unlikely.

I mean when I was a teenager plenty of musicians said how good cocaine was, but we didn't all go and get smacked off our faces every night just because someone else said it worked for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sex and prostitution are two separate things. I consider the latter to be rape. Yes I am a swinger, but I believe women, and men for that matter, to be human beings not objects to be bought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy

Perhaps we should look at why so many 16-17 year old women feel that they have to follow this path?

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

Or perhaps we should look at why people think it's a problem to sell time or sex.

I don't consider prostitution to be morally wrong.

Why do you think it's morally wrong?

There are plenty of people who believe that swinging is morally wrong - yet here you are on a swinging site.

So - by your logic - me saying that I had a good outcome from my sugar-relationship means that other people will blindly do it without thinking it through?

That sounds a bit... I don't know. It sounds a bit... unlikely.

I mean when I was a teenager plenty of musicians said how good cocaine was, but we didn't all go and get smacked off our faces every night just because someone else said it worked for them."

So your saying you done really well out of it and you telling someone that you don't think that will have an effect??grow up

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"People can't really change the definition of a prostitute. It says having sex for money.

Having dates or being married is not the same thing, no matter how much people try to use it as a comparison and if I am honest, is making me cringe at the posts

The point I'm trying to get across is sex is not always included.

The date argument is weak and I agree but I'm struggling to get people to see that. The escorting label is closer but I don't see why something that both people are happy with needs labelling

There isn't anything wrong if both are happy and get what they want. But it shouldn't be sugar coated so girls/women go into it knowing full well the effects of what's happening and going to happen "

In my experience this is exactly what happens. I've spoke to a few guys and knew exactly what the deal was from both sides. Some offers included sex some didn't. I met with one guy socially but decided not to continue for s couple of reasons. Not every sugar daddy relationship is the same, the same not everyone on her wants the same sort of meets

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By *eorgy26Man
over a year ago

Sutton

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?"

It's not lack of opportunities, it's lack of education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People can't really change the definition of a prostitute. It says having sex for money.

Having dates or being married is not the same thing, no matter how much people try to use it as a comparison and if I am honest, is making me cringe at the posts

The point I'm trying to get across is sex is not always included.

The date argument is weak and I agree but I'm struggling to get people to see that. The escorting label is closer but I don't see why something that both people are happy with needs labelling

There isn't anything wrong if both are happy and get what they want. But it shouldn't be sugar coated so girls/women go into it knowing full well the effects of what's happening and going to happen

This is totally agreeable but it is still escorting

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy

Perhaps we should look at why so many 16-17 year old women feel that they have to follow this path?

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

Or perhaps we should look at why people think it's a problem to sell time or sex.

I don't consider prostitution to be morally wrong.

Why do you think it's morally wrong?

There are plenty of people who believe that swinging is morally wrong - yet here you are on a swinging site.

So - by your logic - me saying that I had a good outcome from my sugar-relationship means that other people will blindly do it without thinking it through?

That sounds a bit... I don't know. It sounds a bit... unlikely.

I mean when I was a teenager plenty of musicians said how good cocaine was, but we didn't all go and get smacked off our faces every night just because someone else said it worked for them.

So your saying you done really well out of it and you telling someone that you don't think that will have an effect??grow up"

4 of my friends know I'm on here and that I enjoy it. None have joined because it's not for them. Same applies to a sugar daddy relationship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy

Perhaps we should look at why so many 16-17 year old women feel that they have to follow this path?

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

Or perhaps we should look at why people think it's a problem to sell time or sex.

I don't consider prostitution to be morally wrong.

Why do you think it's morally wrong?

There are plenty of people who believe that swinging is morally wrong - yet here you are on a swinging site.

So - by your logic - me saying that I had a good outcome from my sugar-relationship means that other people will blindly do it without thinking it through?

That sounds a bit... I don't know. It sounds a bit... unlikely.

I mean when I was a teenager plenty of musicians said how good cocaine was, but we didn't all go and get smacked off our faces every night just because someone else said it worked for them."

Do you mean you got a good income from your sugar relationship? That's what it was about for you,regardless of no sex. You were the one saying you always pay half for a hotel room even though you're only a student. It seems students are quite highly paid as I can't afford hotel rooms and was called a prostitute because men offer to pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still dont understand why for uni. They get enough student loan to live

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"People can't really change the definition of a prostitute. It says having sex for money.

Having dates or being married is not the same thing, no matter how much people try to use it as a comparison and if I am honest, is making me cringe at the posts

The point I'm trying to get across is sex is not always included.

The date argument is weak and I agree but I'm struggling to get people to see that. The escorting label is closer but I don't see why something that both people are happy with needs labelling

There isn't anything wrong if both are happy and get what they want. But it shouldn't be sugar coated so girls/women go into it knowing full well the effects of what's happening and going to happen

This is totally agreeable but it is still escorting "

Maybe. And maybe I'm wrong but prostitution and escorting are completely different, in a legal sense as much as anything. I personally don't _iew it as escorting as escorts potentially will meet different guys each time where as a sugar daddy would be longer term and 'exclusive' but that just my thoughts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The point I was making was just because it happens it doesn't make it right. Too many 16-17 year olds trying to get with older men with money to get them things because it's become trendy

Perhaps we should look at why so many 16-17 year old women feel that they have to follow this path?

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

Or perhaps we should look at why people think it's a problem to sell time or sex.

I don't consider prostitution to be morally wrong.

Why do you think it's morally wrong?

There are plenty of people who believe that swinging is morally wrong - yet here you are on a swinging site.

So - by your logic - me saying that I had a good outcome from my sugar-relationship means that other people will blindly do it without thinking it through?

That sounds a bit... I don't know. It sounds a bit... unlikely.

I mean when I was a teenager plenty of musicians said how good cocaine was, but we didn't all go and get smacked off our faces every night just because someone else said it worked for them.

So your saying you done really well out of it and you telling someone that you don't think that will have an effect??grow up

4 of my friends know I'm on here and that I enjoy it. None have joined because it's not for them. Same applies to a sugar daddy relationship. "

This is a swinging site not an escorting/prostituion site big difference

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

I have no problem or issue with prostitution or prostitutes/escorts/etc

But I am not confused between what a prositute/escort does for a living and what a school teacher / physicist / medical doctor do for a living

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire

"Never given it much thought as ive never needed a sugar daddy, if I want something I work to get it myself, I wouldn't want to be in a position where it can be thrown in my face if I refuse to something for said sugar daddy. "

Having it shoved in your face is a bit of an extreme form of this relationship

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean you got a good income from your sugar relationship? That's what it was about for you,regardless of no sex. You were the one saying you always pay half for a hotel room even though you're only a student. It seems students are quite highly paid as I can't afford hotel rooms and was called a prostitute because men offer to pay."

Initially I started studying with the Open University - when the fee structure was different to how it is now. I couldn't afford the fees, yet earned more than the threshold for getting it free. So I entered a sugar daddy relationship, and he paid for my tuition fees.

What I learnt from several years of Open University study has enabled me to become a freelance writer while completing my studies as a 'brick' university (where the government pay my tuition fees up front). This means that I now have no need for a sugar daddy relationship, because I'm now earning quite a bit of money. Certainly I'm earning more now, as a student, than I have ever earned before. I'm also living in a lower cost part of the country (rent is far, far lower here than where I was previously) which means that yes, I can afford to pay halves whenever I decide to go out.

Do you always assume that someone's current situation is the same as their past situation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is a swinging site not an escorting/prostituion site big difference"

It's not a political site, a car site, a music site or a sports site either. And yet there are popular threads about those things here too.

Can we not discuss things that fall outside of swinging?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

It's not lack of opportunities, it's lack of education. "

I disagree. Most sugar daddies who are interested in sponsoring education are only interested in the top end of the grades spectrum. Often there are conditions attached. One friend of mine has a sugar daddy who pays towards the costs of her studying, but a condition of the payments are that she maintains a 1st.

The money means that she doesn't have to take a part time job, and therefore can spend more time studying to get better results.

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By *eorgy26Man
over a year ago

Sutton

I believe it was in reference to someone touting for business on this thread

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire

It's an interesting thought, I suppose now I'm in my 40s and in a financial position to be able to do it I'm a prime sugar daddy

Not sure how it works from the man dynamic as quite a few from the posts above seem to be looking for the company and friendship over the sex and to be honest you can sort of get both on here!

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By *eorgy26Man
over a year ago

Sutton

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

It's not lack of opportunities, it's lack of education.

The money means that she doesn't have to take a part time job, and therefore can spend more time studying to get better results."

Which has nothing to do with 16-17 year olds getting with older men because they want to get bought things, which was the message you initially replied to. That has a lot more to do with a lack of education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like fun

both get something that they want out of it, where's the harm!x

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Do it, enjoy it, declare it, pay the taxes on it

Good to go

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Do it, enjoy it, declare it, pay the taxes on it

Good to go

You don't need to declare or pay taxes on gifts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps we should look at why there seem to be a lack of other opportunities?

It's not lack of opportunities, it's lack of education.

The money means that she doesn't have to take a part time job, and therefore can spend more time studying to get better results.

I think that is *hugely* in the minority. Although when I was 15/16 I just liked older men. I didn't get paid by them or anything, I just found them more attractive. That's continued throughout my life and I generally date people at least ten years older than myself.

I don't think as many 16-17 year old women are looking for older men to buy them stuff as you think might be.

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By *eorgy26Man
over a year ago

Sutton

"Do it, enjoy it, declare it, pay the taxes on it

Good to go

You don't need to declare or pay taxes on gifts "

Above £3k a year you do.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Do it, enjoy it, declare it, pay the taxes on it

Good to go

You don't need to declare or pay taxes on gifts "

It's an income if it is a regular payment for a service provided

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Do it, enjoy it, declare it, pay the taxes on it

Good to go

You don't need to declare or pay taxes on gifts

It's an income if it is a regular payment for a service provided

And if it's irregular? And what constitutes a service? Going for a nice meal with a guy?

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By *eorgy26Man
over a year ago

Sutton

No but some are and the lower down the grade scale you go the more common you'll find it. The whole WAG culture has permeated this.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Do it, enjoy it, declare it, pay the taxes on it

Good to go

You don't need to declare or pay taxes on gifts

It's an income if it is a regular payment for a service provided

And if it's irregular? And what constitutes a service? Going for a nice meal with a guy?"

If that is what the agreement says, I will give you this amount for an hour/night

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

As I said, do it, enjoy it

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By *aboo teenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Do it, enjoy it, declare it, pay the taxes on it

Good to go

You don't need to declare or pay taxes on gifts

It's an income if it is a regular payment for a service provided

And if it's irregular? And what constitutes a service? Going for a nice meal with a guy?

If that is what the agreement says, I will give you this amount for an hour/night"

That's not how I've seen it happen. One guy offered to pay my rent and we would go for meals when he was in town. Another offered to pay my college course etc. no offer was a cash per date

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

as you said, he is paying for your time/companionship over a meal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isnt this just glorified prostitution ?

Nah its just plain old prostitution but the women don't want to have to call themselves prostitutes"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isnt this just glorified prostitution ?

Nah its just plain old prostitution but the women don't want to have to call themselves prostitutes"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you saying that having a sugar daddy who you have sex with is just like having a job?

Yeah it is. You're doing something for someone else and getting paid for that.

Then it's declarable income and has a job title. Prostitute,escort,sex worker."

Possibly. Exchange of money, rent paid, fees paid etc are financial transactions, but thing is these are personal transactions and if you choose not to tell anyone about them then who's gonna know? Think the law changed years ago so that the government can make up an estimate of how much tax they think you should have paid and then make you pay that, which is wrong imo.

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