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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a similar position no, but i do think the world is going mad.

The "civilised" part certainly.

Mnay people do have to pay fees and costs, many annual, simply to work in their line of work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Go on the dole and get it for free.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod

over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad"

I'm guessing construction companies have to comply with building regs, health and safety rules and legal issues - the same as many other professions.

What would stop someone turning up for a job interview with fake references saying 'I've done 30 years', getting a job - and then doing a shoddy/dangerous job that left a company open to litigation at a later date?

Inconvenient I know.

But rules is rules and I guess everyone is in the same boat.

A

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's happening all over the building trades. It's supposed to make sure we are all qualified in something. Some companies will pay for the courses and let you pay back monthly from your wages. That doesn't help if you're self employed.

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad

I'm guessing construction companies have to comply with building regs, health and safety rules and legal issues - the same as many other professions.

What would stop someone turning up for a job interview with fake references saying 'I've done 30 years', getting a job - and then doing a shoddy/dangerous job that left a company open to litigation at a later date?

Inconvenient I know.

But rules is rules and I guess everyone is in the same boat.

A"

yes but an employer can see in a few hours/days if im what i say i am ..thats how its always worked ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

CSCS cards aren't exactly a new thing why wait until such time as you're refused access to sites to rectify it?

Being proactive may have been a better course of action?

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"It's happening all over the building trades. It's supposed to make sure we are all qualified in something. "

yes but ive worked with "qualified bricklayers" straight out of collage that can hardly lay a brick ..so now they be able to get a job and i wont..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's happening all over the building trades. It's supposed to make sure we are all qualified in something.

yes but ive worked with "qualified bricklayers" straight out of collage that can hardly lay a brick ..so now they be able to get a job and i wont.."

Welcome to the 21st Century.

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"CSCS cards aren't exactly a new thing why wait until such time as you're refused access to sites to rectify it?

Being proactive may have been a better course of action?"

no theyre not but my old green card has just run out and theyve changed all the rules so now u need a specific card

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's happening all over the building trades. It's supposed to make sure we are all qualified in something.

yes but ive worked with "qualified bricklayers" straight out of collage that can hardly lay a brick ..so now they be able to get a job and i wont.."

They won't last long if they can't do the work. With the cscs card,a qualification and your experience you will get the work and keep it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My bro has just done his cscs card hes been bricklaying/building for years lots of experiance.... He found a college that does it for free even if your working its free... Its not just a scheme to get you of social security.... I was gobsmacked when he first said... As i thought hed have to pay due to him working...

Im guna check out wat other courses are free as i work and cud get me some more qualifications!! Lol xx

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"My bro has just done his cscs card hes been bricklaying/building for years lots of experiance.... He found a college that does it for free even if your working its free... Its not just a scheme to get you of social security.... I was gobsmacked when he first said... As i thought hed have to pay due to him working...

Im guna check out wat other courses are free as i work and cud get me some more qualifications!! Lol xx"

sounds good ..what collage is that then ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My bro has just done his cscs card hes been bricklaying/building for years lots of experiance.... He found a college that does it for free even if your working its free... Its not just a scheme to get you of social security.... I was gobsmacked when he first said... As i thought hed have to pay due to him working...

Im guna check out wat other courses are free as i work and cud get me some more qualifications!! Lol xx

sounds good ..what collage is that then ?"

i just message my bro to ask as i forgot which he said lol aparently ive got it wrong its not a college its learn direct lol well im sorrryyy bro! Haha

so yeah guys its learn direct... Give it a try xx

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad"

It's the way of the world these days , I'm qualified to teach drivers their driver Cpc , yet I still have to pay to get one myself !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never understood this, but I was introduced to this concept when I was at uni. We had a husband and wife mature couple on our course who had gone to uni after being made redundant from their job and replaced by 'more qualified' youngsters who they had to train prior to being let go.

It's a weird world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just look at professional registration....money for old rope. "Pay £x and then you can tell people you're a professional..." what a croque.

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria


"My bro has just done his cscs card hes been bricklaying/building for years lots of experiance.... He found a college that does it for free even if your working its free... Its not just a scheme to get you of social security.... I was gobsmacked when he first said... As i thought hed have to pay due to him working...

Im guna check out wat other courses are free as i work and cud get me some more qualifications!! Lol xx

sounds good ..what collage is that then ?

i just message my bro to ask as i forgot which he said lol aparently ive got it wrong its not a college its learn direct lol well im sorrryyy bro! Haha

so yeah guys its learn direct... Give it a try xx"

Learn Direct - excellent information - many thanks for this.

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By *rs-Naughty_Mr-CuddlesCouple
over a year ago

Nr coleford

It's like forklift driving have to get that renewed every 3 years yet a 75 year old person can get a doctor's note and say there fit for driving how fucked up is that

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

it might just work to stop unprepared, lazy chancers from going on building sites

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not just building work that require a card,been a hgv driver for 20 years but have to have a cpc card to let employers know i can drive a truck.Its just a stealth tax,and has to be renewed every five years.Grandma and sucking eggs springs to mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad

I'm guessing construction companies have to comply with building regs, health and safety rules and legal issues - the same as many other professions.

What would stop someone turning up for a job interview with fake references saying 'I've done 30 years', getting a job - and then doing a shoddy/dangerous job that left a company open to litigation at a later date?

Inconvenient I know.

But rules is rules and I guess everyone is in the same boat.

A"

well that just makes me wonder how houses got built before that certificate came in ? Bearing in mind that it was probably a time when we actually built houses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's happening all over the building trades. It's supposed to make sure we are all qualified in something.

yes but ive worked with "qualified bricklayers" straight out of collage that can hardly lay a brick ..so now they be able to get a job and i wont.."

I can't see the problem with that?

Why have you not bothered to get accredited?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People have been complaining for years about cowboy builders,fake taxis and useless drivers. Prove you have the capabilities,be health and safety assured,show you are the right person for the job and you have nothing to worry about. My ex and son have to have all kinds of courses,apply for permits and safety qualifications just to get onto their sites.

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

the way around it was just get the basic site operative card just to get you on site, costs 30 odd quid, and if your subcontracting no one cares the agent just wants to see the card to let u on site in the induction after that noone looks and you just carry on with your trade

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

ive known corgi registered people have there certificate and fail within there job so badly there work has been condemned at the pass certificate

ive had to do there work to rectify the major problem

as goes for the most recent ones ive thrown 2 gas fitters out of my house for bodging and refused access until ive seen the main area manager

what they did after that was surprising the boiler flue was changed the gas fire replaced and the bayonet fitting capped as failed to seal properly this is after a year has passed and everything had passed then

certificates arnt worth much cap when the installer or fitter does poor workmanship

I agree with the op many can do the job far better by word of mouth as the paperwork means nothing to many

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have also heard now some companys expect a level 3 english exam pass, before an interview, i think David Cameron is edging for it to become compulsory.

Her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lev and pcv drivers have to sit a cpc course despite already paying to pass a test another way for the government to make more money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You wanna try three grand and a one week test every three years!

I remember the good old days of carbon monoxide poisoning mind

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"the way around it was just get the basic site operative card just to get you on site, costs 30 odd quid, and if your subcontracting no one cares the agent just wants to see the card to let u on site in the induction after that noone looks and you just carry on with your trade "

well thats how it was and what i did in the past

i was gonna do again but now if you a laborer u also have to go to collage for a day and do another health and safety course b4 u can do the cscs test..so your looking at about £150 to just a obtain a labourers card ..i wd imagine quite a few site managers would say u had to have a trade specific card cos thats the way its going with so many new regs...u know what some of them are like on the big site

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"People have been complaining for years about cowboy builders,fake taxis and useless drivers. Prove you have the capabilities,be health and safety assured,show you are the right person for the job and you have nothing to worry about. My ex and son have to have all kinds of courses,apply for permits and safety qualifications just to get onto their sites. "

well it depends what their trades are, and what kind of site their working on some trades need to have all that

im a bricklayer ..im building walls and houses ,not working as an electrician on a nuclear power station or some other safety critical job

ive already proved im competent and taken a H and S test.the fact is ,if i dont have £900 then i'll have to go and sign on ..which seems a bit insane when theres a massive skills shortage and i want to work 4 a living

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

900 is fuck all for a brick layer

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Not quite the same, but I have just paid out £1100 on a course to get a job. I have been doing the job for several years, but the company does in house training.

The qualification is the industry standard, let's hope I pass it.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


"People have been complaining for years about cowboy builders,fake taxis and useless drivers. Prove you have the capabilities,be health and safety assured,show you are the right person for the job and you have nothing to worry about. My ex and son have to have all kinds of courses,apply for permits and safety qualifications just to get onto their sites.

well it depends what their trades are, and what kind of site their working on some trades need to have all that

im a bricklayer ..im building walls and houses ,not working as an electrician on a nuclear power station or some other safety critical job

ive already proved im competent and taken a H and S test.the fact is ,if i dont have £900 then i'll have to go and sign on ..which seems a bit insane when theres a massive skills shortage and i want to work 4 a living"

you don't think the walls that hold the roof up are safety critical?

can I recommend a £900 health and safety course?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad"

But experience doesn't mention you know the current standards.

I'm qualified to wire up aeroplanes carrying nearly a thousand people but if I want to put a plug socket in I need to get someone qualified in to sign it off as safe.

Having standards and minimum requirements of people is not a bad thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People have been complaining for years about cowboy builders,fake taxis and useless drivers. Prove you have the capabilities,be health and safety assured,show you are the right person for the job and you have nothing to worry about. My ex and son have to have all kinds of courses,apply for permits and safety qualifications just to get onto their sites.

well it depends what their trades are, and what kind of site their working on some trades need to have all that

im a bricklayer ..im building walls and houses ,not working as an electrician on a nuclear power station or some other safety critical job

ive already proved im competent and taken a H and S test.the fact is ,if i dont have £900 then i'll have to go and sign on ..which seems a bit insane when theres a massive skills shortage and i want to work 4 a living

you don't think the walls that hold the roof up are safety critical?

can I recommend a £900 health and safety course? "

The brick skin on most houses doesn't do anything structural :p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People have been complaining for years about cowboy builders,fake taxis and useless drivers. Prove you have the capabilities,be health and safety assured,show you are the right person for the job and you have nothing to worry about. My ex and son have to have all kinds of courses,apply for permits and safety qualifications just to get onto their sites.

well it depends what their trades are, and what kind of site their working on some trades need to have all that

im a bricklayer ..im building walls and houses ,not working as an electrician on a nuclear power station or some other safety critical job

ive already proved im competent and taken a H and S test.the fact is ,if i dont have £900 then i'll have to go and sign on ..which seems a bit insane when theres a massive skills shortage and i want to work 4 a living"

Can you not find a company to sponsor you?

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


"People have been complaining for years about cowboy builders,fake taxis and useless drivers. Prove you have the capabilities,be health and safety assured,show you are the right person for the job and you have nothing to worry about. My ex and son have to have all kinds of courses,apply for permits and safety qualifications just to get onto their sites.

well it depends what their trades are, and what kind of site their working on some trades need to have all that

im a bricklayer ..im building walls and houses ,not working as an electrician on a nuclear power station or some other safety critical job

ive already proved im competent and taken a H and S test.the fact is ,if i dont have £900 then i'll have to go and sign on ..which seems a bit insane when theres a massive skills shortage and i want to work 4 a living

you don't think the walls that hold the roof up are safety critical?

can I recommend a £900 health and safety course?

The brick skin on most houses doesn't do anything structural :p"

go on then, what holds the roof up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have also heard now some companys expect a level 3 english exam pass, before an interview, i think David Cameron is edging for it to become compulsory.

Her"

So that would be below a gcse standard if I've got my grading right yes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People have been complaining for years about cowboy builders,fake taxis and useless drivers. Prove you have the capabilities,be health and safety assured,show you are the right person for the job and you have nothing to worry about. My ex and son have to have all kinds of courses,apply for permits and safety qualifications just to get onto their sites.

well it depends what their trades are, and what kind of site their working on some trades need to have all that

im a bricklayer ..im building walls and houses ,not working as an electrician on a nuclear power station or some other safety critical job

ive already proved im competent and taken a H and S test.the fact is ,if i dont have £900 then i'll have to go and sign on ..which seems a bit insane when theres a massive skills shortage and i want to work 4 a living

you don't think the walls that hold the roof up are safety critical?

can I recommend a £900 health and safety course?

The brick skin on most houses doesn't do anything structural :p

go on then, what holds the roof up?"

The cinder blocks behind it :p

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By *ikey2008Man
over a year ago

hull

Try the hgv cpc for size we do it but the French and German drivers got a pass

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

How do the Europeans coming here manage, with so many stiff requirements?

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone


"How do the Europeans coming here manage, with so many stiff requirements?"

if it's anything like the afghan taxi drivers in our town, it'll be one person sitting the test/getting the certificate and two or three others sharing it

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By *ikey2008Man
over a year ago

hull

Play the me no understand card when caught

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had to pass exams in my role. Do continuing assessments and pay to keep my qualification.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad"

Are you sure it's not the high heels?

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By *cd and scruffCouple
over a year ago

Rochester


"It's like forklift driving have to get that renewed every 3 years yet a 75 year old person can get a doctor's note and say there fit for driving how fucked up is that"

I am a forklift instructor, i you have a forklift licence it lasts for life.

If you have in house company training they can specify a retraining schedule as they see fit.

A forklift licence is accepted everywhere, in house training is only accepted by the company that gives it.

And trainers need to pay a yearly fee in order to train.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

It's a pain, but once it's done, it's done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Go on the dole and get it for free."

They won't pay it.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"People have been complaining for years about cowboy builders,fake taxis and useless drivers. Prove you have the capabilities,be health and safety assured,show you are the right person for the job and you have nothing to worry about. My ex and son have to have all kinds of courses,apply for permits and safety qualifications just to get onto their sites.

well it depends what their trades are, and what kind of site their working on some trades need to have all that

im a bricklayer ..im building walls and houses ,not working as an electrician on a nuclear power station or some other safety critical job

ive already proved im competent and taken a H and S test.the fact is ,if i dont have £900 then i'll have to go and sign on ..which seems a bit insane when theres a massive skills shortage and i want to work 4 a living

you don't think the walls that hold the roof up are safety critical?

can I recommend a £900 health and safety course?

The brick skin on most houses doesn't do anything structural :p

go on then, what holds the roof up?"

I'm not an expert in this area but isn't it in most modern houses the timber frame? (and it's a genuine question because I don't know for sure)

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By *oole2010Couple
over a year ago

southampto


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad"

A cscs card costs about 50 quid its a touch screen test you will be given a book to revise but that is basic site rules like what voltage can you use on site

it will be multiple choice questions and as you have been on site before you should pass it

as for the other qualification im

not sure visit the citb website where you may get all the tickets you want at a fraction of the cost inatead of paying a college the citb will even tell you where in dorset you can take them privately

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


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Can you not find a company to sponsor you?

"

im in my 50s so i doubt it ..i work freelance for agencies mostly

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


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The brick skin on most houses doesn't do anything structural :p

go on then, what holds the roof up?"

the timber frame..if ist a timber frame house

the internal walls if it isnt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad

It's the way of the world these days , I'm qualified to teach drivers their driver Cpc , yet I still have to pay to get one myself ! "

And different cpc instructors tell you different things and aren't always correct

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The brick skin on most houses doesn't do anything structural :p

go on then, what holds the roof up?

the timber frame..if ist a timber frame house

the internal walls if it isnt "

I started life as a carpenter and joiner. If you have a CITB certificate and you have an indentured apprenticeship certificate then you do not need any paper work to obtain the required proof of experience. I have all these certificates and more to show I went through a period of training. If you are in your 50s you should have the same if you went through a recognised period of apprenticeship training?

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


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The brick skin on most houses doesn't do anything structural :p

go on then, what holds the roof up?

the timber frame..if ist a timber frame house

the internal walls if it isnt I started life as a carpenter and joiner. If you have a CITB certificate and you have an indentured apprenticeship certificate then you do not need any paper work to obtain the required proof of experience. I have all these certificates and more to show I went through a period of training. If you are in your 50s you should have the same if you went through a recognised period of apprenticeship training?

"

well i didnt do an apprenticeship..nor did a lot of people ..i did do a 6 months ,intensive citb sponsored course which they refuse to reconise as valid training as it was 30 years ago and i have no poof.i didnt keep my little bit of paper.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The brick skin on most houses doesn't do anything structural :p

go on then, what holds the roof up?

the timber frame..if ist a timber frame house

the internal walls if it isnt I started life as a carpenter and joiner. If you have a CITB certificate and you have an indentured apprenticeship certificate then you do not need any paper work to obtain the required proof of experience. I have all these certificates and more to show I went through a period of training. If you are in your 50s you should have the same if you went through a recognised period of apprenticeship training?

well i didnt do an apprenticeship..nor did a lot of people ..i did do a 6 months ,intensive citb sponsored course which they refuse to reconise as valid training as it was 30 years ago and i have no poof.i didnt keep my little bit of paper. "

The CITB still exists they will have a record of your training if you supply basic details.

http://www.citb.co.uk/cards-testing/how-do-i-check-card-details/

Can I ask who refuses to recognises your CITB sponsored training?

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!


"Its not just building work that require a card,been a hgv driver for 20 years but have to have a cpc card to let employers know i can drive a truck.Its just a stealth tax,and has to be renewed every five years.Grandma and sucking eggs springs to mind. "

CPC from 3.5 to 7.5 tonnes now needs 5 initial modules (can be the same module done 5 times ) then one module every 12 months!

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington


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The brick skin on most houses doesn't do anything structural :p

go on then, what holds the roof up?

the timber frame..if ist a timber frame house

the internal walls if it isnt I started life as a carpenter and joiner. If you have a CITB certificate and you have an indentured apprenticeship certificate then you do not need any paper work to obtain the required proof of experience. I have all these certificates and more to show I went through a period of training. If you are in your 50s you should have the same if you went through a recognised period of apprenticeship training?

well i didnt do an apprenticeship..nor did a lot of people ..i did do a 6 months ,intensive citb sponsored course which they refuse to reconise as valid training as it was 30 years ago and i have no poof.i didnt keep my little bit of paper. The CITB still exists they will have a record of your training if you supply basic details.

http://www.citb.co.uk/cards-testing/how-do-i-check-card-details/

Can I ask who refuses to recognises your CITB sponsored training?"

I refuse to recognise it and half the people on this thread because there chatting bubbles

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

Basic CSCS card is a piece of p***. Multi choice test done on a computer and takes about 1/2 hour to complete. Make doubly sure you have the right answer though as the first button you press is the only answer they`ll accept!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The brick skin on most houses doesn't do anything structural :p

go on then, what holds the roof up?

the timber frame..if ist a timber frame house

the internal walls if it isnt I started life as a carpenter and joiner. If you have a CITB certificate and you have an indentured apprenticeship certificate then you do not need any paper work to obtain the required proof of experience. I have all these certificates and more to show I went through a period of training. If you are in your 50s you should have the same if you went through a recognised period of apprenticeship training?

well i didnt do an apprenticeship..nor did a lot of people ..i did do a 6 months ,intensive citb sponsored course which they refuse to reconise as valid training as it was 30 years ago and i have no poof.i didnt keep my little bit of paper. The CITB still exists they will have a record of your training if you supply basic details.

http://www.citb.co.uk/cards-testing/how-do-i-check-card-details/

Can I ask who refuses to recognises your CITB sponsored training?

I refuse to recognise it and half the people on this thread because there chatting bubbles "

its "their" chatting bubbles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The brick skin on most houses doesn't do anything structural :p

go on then, what holds the roof up?

the timber frame..if ist a timber frame house

the internal walls if it isnt I started life as a carpenter and joiner. If you have a CITB certificate and you have an indentured apprenticeship certificate then you do not need any paper work to obtain the required proof of experience. I have all these certificates and more to show I went through a period of training. If you are in your 50s you should have the same if you went through a recognised period of apprenticeship training?

well i didnt do an apprenticeship..nor did a lot of people ..i did do a 6 months ,intensive citb sponsored course which they refuse to reconise as valid training as it was 30 years ago and i have no poof.i didnt keep my little bit of paper. The CITB still exists they will have a record of your training if you supply basic details.

http://www.citb.co.uk/cards-testing/how-do-i-check-card-details/

Can I ask who refuses to recognises your CITB sponsored training?

I refuse to recognise it and half the people on this thread because there chatting bubbles its "their" chatting bubbles"

Actually its they are chatting bubbles my mistake!

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

cringe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't!

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"

Can I ask who refuses to recognises your CITB sponsored training?"

the CITB..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

CSCS is £17.50 for Health and Safety test, which is a multiple choice exam and you can do it in 30mins easily. You officially get 45mins to do it. Then when you pass it, it costs another £30 for your CSCS card.

The H&S exam lasts 3 years then you have to resit it.

I'm not in construction industry but have to have it to go onto construction sites to do engineering checks.

Had to get my card refreshed last week

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Can I ask who refuses to recognises your CITB sponsored training?

the CITB.."

Then you should appeal and write to them?

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

Become a migrant, worker for sub minimum wage, you'll be fine.

If they don't give you the job, it's discrimination in'it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe look into OSAT. On site assessment training. A way of fast tracking skilled tradesmen through the system. I've put fair few people through using avenue in the past.

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

ive just done the safety passport 2 day, basically it cuts down the insurance cost of site owner as well, ive heard that for ccss card some ask for trade specific, one thing that's does annoy me you do a course get a qualification, go to a job get turned down as they don't accept that training provider,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had to pay £3500 so I could go to work doing the job I do oh and a medical every 5 years I have to pay for.

Plus cpc training 5 modules over 5 years licence and digital card renewal to keep me on the road

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"CSCS is £17.50 for Health and Safety test, which is a multiple choice exam and you can do it in 30mins easily. You officially get 45mins to do it. Then when you pass it, it costs another £30 for your CSCS card.

The H&S exam lasts 3 years then you have to resit it.

I'm not in construction industry but have to have it to go onto construction sites to do engineering checks.

Had to get my card refreshed last week"

yes i know ive done one ..its a skills card that causing a problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So the relevant issue is that you haven't done an nvq etc in bricklaying not that you have to get a card for h&s?

So you're not a "skilled" person your just an experienced unskilled

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

people in the older age group don't have nvq, ive applied for jobs with higher quals only to be told we don't recognise them, when the skill card came out yrs age if you had been in the job yrs you got one, now they have tightened up, I know 21 yr olds who are clueless but have a nvq, and yes it is annoying when they have far less know how, but they have the right bits of paper

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"people in the older age group don't have nvq, ive applied for jobs with higher quals only to be told we don't recognise them, when the skill card came out yrs age if you had been in the job yrs you got one, now they have tightened up, I know 21 yr olds who are clueless but have a nvq, and yes it is annoying when they have far less know how, but they have the right bits of paper"

Equally I know blokes who've been doing skilled work for decades from when there wasn't the same qualification requirements but they don't know why they do most things they just do it off by wrote and couldn't read a drawing properly to save their life.

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By *ony HardcockMan
over a year ago

Shepperton


"people in the older age group don't have nvq, ive applied for jobs with higher quals only to be told we don't recognise them, when the skill card came out yrs age if you had been in the job yrs you got one, now they have tightened up, I know 21 yr olds who are clueless but have a nvq, and yes it is annoying when they have far less know how, but they have the right bits of paper

Equally I know blokes who've been doing skilled work for decades from when there wasn't the same qualification requirements but they don't know why they do most things they just do it off by wrote and couldn't read a drawing properly to save their life.

"

I am in the same boat been in the RAF 22 years saving people's life's search and rescue extra and my qualifications are not recognised in the UK my flying hours are not all critical care so just spent the last six months helping LAS,SWAST, and South Central ambulance service just to get my hours and paying £2500 to do the qualification. It's a joke!! Rant over have a great night perving, flirting and shagging x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"CSCS is £17.50 for Health and Safety test, which is a multiple choice exam and you can do it in 30mins easily. You officially get 45mins to do it. Then when you pass it, it costs another £30 for your CSCS card.

The H&S exam lasts 3 years then you have to resit it.

I'm not in construction industry but have to have it to go onto construction sites to do engineering checks.

Had to get my card refreshed last week

yes i know ive done one ..its a skills card that causing a problem"

The skills cards are pointless,they have ruined the building industry,you have people on site now,who have no experience,but are good at passing exams.So they never know what to do if a problem arises,what aint been taught or aint on the test...I know how to do full plumbing refits etc,carpentry,Ground works,but I cant afford to get the cards,where the ones I need cost £1000s to acquire,Also the Job centre dont pay for cards,they really only pay for the Laboring green cscs card,in which they set up a group session off 20 people that lasts 9 days,at a cost of £1200 per person,instead of just booking a test and card for £60.....

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"So the relevant issue is that you haven't done an nvq etc in bricklaying not that you have to get a card for h&s?

So you're not a "skilled" person your just an experienced unskilled"

well after 30 in the same job id say im very skilled..the issue is having to pay £900 to get the magic card so i can do the jobs im offered..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with this..is alot of brickies nowaday's are ex-hod carrier's..who have picked up the trade over the year's and are good brickies.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

£900 is a weeks work for a good brickie .... what's the problem?

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

College. It's college. Pay the thing!

In the long run, it's worth it. Is it a case of can't pay or won't pay?

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"College. It's college. Pay the thing!

In the long run, it's worth it. Is it a case of can't pay or won't pay?"

well for me its the principle. i cant really see how thats relevant.

whether i can pay or cant pay..fact is im not going to ..and re the previous post £900 is a lot to any working class person.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London


"College. It's college. Pay the thing!

In the long run, it's worth it. Is it a case of can't pay or won't pay?

well for me its the principle. i cant really see how thats relevant.

whether i can pay or cant pay..fact is im not going to ..and re the previous post £900 is a lot to any working class person."

Ok. Don't. Who are you hurting?

I appreciate it is a lot of money and would be for most working people but I am sure with your skill set, you'll make that back in a matter of months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"College. It's college. Pay the thing!

In the long run, it's worth it. Is it a case of can't pay or won't pay?

well for me its the principle. i cant really see how thats relevant.

whether i can pay or cant pay..fact is im not going to ..and re the previous post £900 is a lot to any working class person."

have you ever heard the expression 'cutting off your nose to spite your face?'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad"

Probably a good way to keep out a lot of unskilled workers that many complain are taking their jobs. A pain in the bum I'm sure, but long term surely it is sensible to have everyone accredited? There will always be some more skilled than others and that should benefit you in the long run.

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"College. It's college. Pay the thing!

In the long run, it's worth it. Is it a case of can't pay or won't pay?

well for me its the principle. i cant really see how thats relevant.

whether i can pay or cant pay..fact is im not going to ..and re the previous post £900 is a lot to any working class person.

have you ever heard the expression 'cutting off your nose to spite your face?'"

oh i'll still work. my nose will still be attached to my face .. cash in hand jobs and small sites that dont ask for a card and jobs for myself ..so it the government that will loose in the end cos i wont be be paying tax or NI and there be one less skilled person to work on the big sites.im sure there many more guys like me that wont bother with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I keep hearing of a shortage of bricklayers in England is it really true? I'm fully qualified in Ireland and thinking of relocating to England but is there really loads of work and good pay?

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

I'm £500 every 3 yrs ....i also have to keep my car (has to be of certain size)upto date and insured ( not normal everyday insurance much much much more expensive) all at my own cost before i can earn a coin then of the coin i earn i have to pay out £120/week for the privilege

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"I keep hearing of a shortage of bricklayers in England is it really true? I'm fully qualified in Ireland and thinking of relocating to England but is there really loads of work and good pay?"

yes its true 17 to 20 an hour more in some places or if your on a price

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"I'm £500 every 3 yrs ....i also have to keep my car (has to be of certain size)upto date and insured ( not normal everyday insurance much much much more expensive) all at my own cost before i can earn a coin then of the coin i earn i have to pay out £120/week for the privilege "

guess your a cabbie then

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east


"I'm £500 every 3 yrs ....i also have to keep my car (has to be of certain size)upto date and insured ( not normal everyday insurance much much much more expensive) all at my own cost before i can earn a coin then of the coin i earn i have to pay out £120/week for the privilege

guess your a cabbie then"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad"

Electricians have had to endure NIC-EIC, windows fitters have had fensa, and Gas fitters have had corgi accreditation for years, unfortunately it's just a case of brickies having to be just as accountable for the quality of their work now.

Cowboy builders will struggle to get passed out , so and extra feather to your cap with give you an automatic Advantage when tendering for business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad"

Every truck and coach driver in the country.

B

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its not just building work that require a card,been a hgv driver for 20 years but have to have a cpc card to let employers know i can drive a truck.Its just a stealth tax,and has to be renewed every five years.Grandma and sucking eggs springs to mind. "

I'm lucky in this respect as we have our own trainers in the company & they give us a days training each year towards it so we pay nothing!!!

Plus they pay for my medical & taco card renewal

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Most jobs have these schemes these days, they are just money for old rope for the bodies that administer them, those that work under the radar for cash will carry on the same. Qualifications/assurance schemes only affect those that want to do a good job and to be honest arent that hard to do, its a game and just have to learn the rules to get round it

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"Advantage when tendering for business. "

i dont "tender for bushiness"..the fone rings and im offered work ..i can take it or leave it ..will just be leaving it more often

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad"

Yes, I can't get a skilled trade card even tho I have been a time served carpenter city and guilds qualified for 30years.

The reason they won't give me a card is due to the fact that they don't recognise city and guilds (different organisations) so unless I provide a letter from the company that employed me during my apprenticeship saying that I did attend collage (even tho I have certs to prove it) they won't give me a card.

The company went out of business in 1989 and my boss died many year ago.

I appealed to the cscs board but they adamant that they won't give me a card.

Yet some muppet who did a six month refresher coarse put up a couple of shelves at home and calls himself a carpenter can!!

Fair system my arse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can still get an operatives certificate tho which anyone with health and safety training can get allows them to work on site.

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By *iss_Samantha_Lovecock OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford


"despite a massive skills shortage of bricklayers and the fact i have 30 years experience in my trade i can no longer work on most building sites .. because i dont have a qualification and a CSCS card to say im a skilled person ..so i have i go pay £900 and go to collage so i can be trained and verified ..anyone else in a similar position thinking the country's gone mad

Yes, I can't get a skilled trade card even tho I have been a time served carpenter city and guilds qualified for 30years.

The reason they won't give me a card is due to the fact that they don't recognise city and guilds (different organisations) so unless I provide a letter from the company that employed me during my apprenticeship saying that I did attend collage (even tho I have certs to prove it) they won't give me a card.

The company went out of business in 1989 and my boss died many year ago.

I appealed to the cscs board but they adamant that they won't give me a card.

Yet some muppet who did a six month refresher coarse put up a couple of shelves at home and calls himself a carpenter can!!

Fair system my arse. "

and there must be 1000s like us ..maybe we should start a group and do a petition

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