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"...there seems to be a trend on the forms lately of labelling 'big women' fuller figured women' fat women' or 'bbw's'...apparently, it's the last excusable attack on an individual. we're not allowed to attack a person based on ability, be it physical or mental, race, political or religious _iew or sexual preference....but 'fatties' are still fair game so seem to be the weapon of choice when it comes to making comparisons and generalisations. I don't personally like it, but, as i'm 'fuller figured' (my preferred choice, I'm allowed one)...I'm not entitled to find this offensive. There are people that are under-weight and also feel comfortable with this, society doesn't hold them up to ridicule, it sympathises. I don't use this site because I wouldn't get laid otherwise, I try to avoid men that 'accept' that i'm big and prefer a man that actually wants a woman because she's someone he desires....and I also try to exclude them that consider larger women a fetish. I've started this thread to air my opinion only, I expect others have theirs and I expect some to differ. I just wonder what peoples reasons are for the 'fattist' attitude that seems to have sprung up recently and what those folk that consider themselves to be in that bracket feel about it." I find the opposite to be true... People are wary of saying someone is fat but feel they can just speak loudly about how skinny someone is as as it's not seen as insulting...... | |||
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"...there seems to be a trend on the forms lately of labelling 'big women' fuller figured women' fat women' or 'bbw's'...apparently, it's the last excusable attack on an individual. we're not allowed to attack a person based on ability, be it physical or mental, race, political or religious _iew or sexual preference....but 'fatties' are still fair game so seem to be the weapon of choice when it comes to making comparisons and generalisations. I don't personally like it, but, as i'm 'fuller figured' (my preferred choice, I'm allowed one)...I'm not entitled to find this offensive. There are people that are under-weight and also feel comfortable with this, society doesn't hold them up to ridicule, it sympathises. I don't use this site because I wouldn't get laid otherwise, I try to avoid men that 'accept' that i'm big and prefer a man that actually wants a woman because she's someone he desires....and I also try to exclude them that consider larger women a fetish. I've started this thread to air my opinion only, I expect others have theirs and I expect some to differ. I just wonder what peoples reasons are for the 'fattist' attitude that seems to have sprung up recently and what those folk that consider themselves to be in that bracket feel about it." i may have been away from the forums for a few days but i have never felt there to be a fattst attitude on here people like what they like and dont like what they dont like, thats life i guess, i dont particularly find men in knickers attractive and will not play with certain friends when they are dressed that way but that doesnt mean i am TV/CD-ist | |||
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" I find the opposite to be true... People are wary of saying someone is fat but feel they can just speak loudly about how skinny someone is as as it's not seen as insulting...... " without even searching I can think of two threads in two days where comments have been made, one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. in all my time in the form I've never seen one 'skinny' comment | |||
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" I find the opposite to be true... People are wary of saying someone is fat but feel they can just speak loudly about how skinny someone is as as it's not seen as insulting...... without even searching I can think of two threads in two days where comments have been made, one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. in all my time in the form I've never seen one 'skinny' comment " Snap we were typing this at the same time, and obviously we both saw the same threads and were both insulted by them | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. " But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting? | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting?" because it's prejudicial....it's no different to saying you don't like someone for their colour or religion or race, except that would be illegal | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting? because it's prejudicial....it's no different to saying you don't like someone for their colour or religion or race, except that would be illegal " I don't like people who use keyboards and I won't have sex with them. | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting? because it's prejudicial....it's no different to saying you don't like someone for their colour or religion or race, except that would be illegal " I dont play with black men because i dont find them attractive, that is not racist that is my preference. Are you saying i should sleep with them because if i dont im a racist??? | |||
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"Being a 'fat bird' myself i can say i have not noticed it, do you mean in the forums, via pm or in general? Personally i dont find been called fat, obese, bbw or any other of the terms used for the fuller figure insulting for a number of reasons, firstly i AM fat, i AM obese and i AM a bbw and secondly they are only words written on a page im far too thick skinned to let them bother me. I love the way i look and i love people looking at me. If the way i look offends people then quiet simply they dont have to look. If anyone feels people are been insulting towards them for any reasons, it is not acceptable and its against site rules, report, block, move on. kat x x " Bravo ! | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting? because it's prejudicial....it's no different to saying you don't like someone for their colour or religion or race, except that would be illegal " Actually no, it's not illegal to say you don't like someone for their ethnicity or religious belief; offensive certainly but not illegal otherwise the BNP would be illegal. It all depends on how it is said. If (for instance) you were to say you don't want to play with black men then that would be your preference, which you are entitled to. If, however you were to say that you don't want to play with black men because you think they are going to rob you then that would be offensive. People are allowed to have likes/dislikes, preferences etc. | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting? because it's prejudicial....it's no different to saying you don't like someone for their colour or religion or race, except that would be illegal I dont play with black men because i dont find them attractive, that is not racist that is my preference. Are you saying i should sleep with them because if i dont im a racist???" saying you wont have sex with them is a personal preference...it does not mean, however, that you do not like them. the person did not say they wouldn't have sex with a 'fat' person, but that they didn't like them.....there is a difference | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting? because it's prejudicial....it's no different to saying you don't like someone for their colour or religion or race, except that would be illegal Actually no, it's not illegal to say you don't like someone for their ethnicity or religious belief; offensive certainly but not illegal otherwise the BNP would be illegal. It all depends on how it is said. If (for instance) you were to say you don't want to play with black men then that would be your preference, which you are entitled to. If, however you were to say that you don't want to play with black men because you think they are going to rob you then that would be offensive. People are allowed to have likes/dislikes, preferences etc." bad choice of words, there is a legal system in place that protects folk against such prejudices | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting? because it's prejudicial....it's no different to saying you don't like someone for their colour or religion or race, except that would be illegal I dont play with black men because i dont find them attractive, that is not racist that is my preference. Are you saying i should sleep with them because if i dont im a racist??? saying you wont have sex with them is a personal preference...it does not mean, however, that you do not like them. the person did not say they wouldn't have sex with a 'fat' person, but that they didn't like them.....there is a difference" You didnt say that in your post which where confusion came from. In that case i totally agree a persons size does not make the person, but still at the end of the day it is there problem not yours, dont let small minded people get to you, ignore, move on | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting? because it's prejudicial....it's no different to saying you don't like someone for their colour or religion or race, except that would be illegal I dont play with black men because i dont find them attractive, that is not racist that is my preference. Are you saying i should sleep with them because if i dont im a racist??? saying you wont have sex with them is a personal preference...it does not mean, however, that you do not like them. the person did not say they wouldn't have sex with a 'fat' person, but that they didn't like them.....there is a difference You didnt say that in your post which where confusion came from. In that case i totally agree a persons size does not make the person, but still at the end of the day it is there problem not yours, dont let small minded people get to you, ignore, move on " I didn't intend to quote in my thread, the point was raised earlier on and I did post it in response. | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting? because it's prejudicial....it's no different to saying you don't like someone for their colour or religion or race, except that would be illegal Actually no, it's not illegal to say you don't like someone for their ethnicity or religious belief; offensive certainly but not illegal otherwise the BNP would be illegal. It all depends on how it is said. If (for instance) you were to say you don't want to play with black men then that would be your preference, which you are entitled to. If, however you were to say that you don't want to play with black men because you think they are going to rob you then that would be offensive. People are allowed to have likes/dislikes, preferences etc. bad choice of words, there is a legal system in place that protects folk against such prejudices" Yes there is, but as someone else has just said it is a question of semantics. Whilst current legislation has it that an act or comment can be considered racist if the person it was directed towards deems it to be so, in practice this is a very difficult area to enforce. None of us have the right not to be offended, yet we are all allegedly protected by the legal system in the same regards. Personally i haven't seen any sizeist/fattist comments on these forums, but i will admit that this particular prejudice does seem to be one of the last socially acceptable ones. However, when consecutive Govts are telling us all about the 'dangers' of the social obesity epidemic then it seems it is even Govt approved prejudice. | |||
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"Could be worse, afterall, I'm GINGER! You should hear all the gingerist comments OMG! All you red heads come this way have been married to one for 28yrs and love em, love em, love em " you'd like our testarossa Jack - She's seexxxxxxyyyyy | |||
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"I haunt the forums all the time, and I haven't noticed it, I think you may be over sensitive, sorry." I saw the post and thought the tone was nasty and said as much: I wish I hadn't as the couple who said it don't have anything nice to say about anyone and I think they enjoy being nasty for the sake of it! In the eleven months I've been on site I've seen all sorts: immigrants, bi and married men get the most stick. I'm too busy enjoying quite a blessed life to waste time worrying about what people I don't know think! | |||
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"I haunt the forums all the time, and I haven't noticed it, I think you may be over sensitive, sorry." if you don't find the word derogatory, chances are, you won't notice it. The lady above mention obese and overweight, these are not derogatory terms, they are medical...fat is not a medical term and it's only use is to offend. I am not just fat, I am fat, skin, tissue, bone, blood and water....by calling someone overweight fat, you infer that is all they are. | |||
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"Could be worse, afterall, I'm GINGER! You should hear all the gingerist comments OMG! All you red heads come this way have been married to one for 28yrs and love em, love em, love em you'd like our testarossa Jack - She's seexxxxxxyyyyy " I'm sure I would, but I'm 10yrs too old | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting? because it's prejudicial....it's no different to saying you don't like someone for their colour or religion or race, except that would be illegal I dont play with black men because i dont find them attractive, that is not racist that is my preference. Are you saying i should sleep with them because if i dont im a racist??? saying you wont have sex with them is a personal preference...it does not mean, however, that you do not like them. the person did not say they wouldn't have sex with a 'fat' person, but that they didn't like them.....there is a difference You didnt say that in your post which where confusion came from. In that case i totally agree a persons size does not make the person, but still at the end of the day it is there problem not yours, dont let small minded people get to you, ignore, move on I didn't intend to quote in my thread, the point was raised earlier on and I did post it in response." to be fair that was one comment and they got called up on it on the thread, i dont see any reason to drag it up here. i have been on bbw threads where someone has called someoe else a skinny minney and that wasnt tolerated either. It all depends on your opinon of yourself i guess, i have accepted the term fat because that is what i am. i am fat through choice - ok i didnt set out to be the size i am but i also choose not to put myself through boring diets etc to lose weight because i don feel the need to. take back the words and they will cease to hurt you - celebrate your fat and people will soon become bored of trying to hurt you by saying things about it | |||
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" to be fair that was one comment and they got called up on it on the thread, i dont see any reason to drag it up here. i have been on bbw threads where someone has called someoe else a skinny minney and that wasnt tolerated either. It all depends on your opinon of yourself i guess, i have accepted the term fat because that is what i am. i am fat through choice - ok i didnt set out to be the size i am but i also choose not to put myself through boring diets etc to lose weight because i don feel the need to. take back the words and they will cease to hurt you - celebrate your fat and people will soon become bored of trying to hurt you by saying things about it" it wasn't just one comment, I read it and thought "oh, here we go again"...and it's been done again today on another post by someone else. The word Fat is not what I am, as I said above, it is recognised in the dictionary as a derogatory term. As I said above... The reason I started a thread is because otherwise i'd be hijacking someone elses and it does bother me enough for me to start it. As I said in my post, if someone used any other prejudicial term it would not be accepted...I however, should accept that people are merrily using this word and I should just do what 'fat' folk do best and be jolly! I am offended by it and i'm not alone The reason I am offended is that the word 'fat' is used solely as an insult. | |||
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"...there seems to be a trend on the forms lately of labelling 'big women' fuller figured women' fat women' or 'bbw's'...apparently, it's the last excusable attack on an individual. we're not allowed to attack a person based on ability, be it physical or mental, race, political or religious _iew or sexual preference....but 'fatties' are still fair game so seem to be the weapon of choice when it comes to making comparisons and generalisations. I don't personally like it, but, as i'm 'fuller figured' (my preferred choice, I'm allowed one)...I'm not entitled to find this offensive. There are people that are under-weight and also feel comfortable with this, society doesn't hold them up to ridicule, it sympathises. I don't use this site because I wouldn't get laid otherwise, I try to avoid men that 'accept' that i'm big and prefer a man that actually wants a woman because she's someone he desires....and I also try to exclude them that consider larger women a fetish. I've started this thread to air my opinion only, I expect others have theirs and I expect some to differ. I just wonder what peoples reasons are for the 'fattist' attitude that seems to have sprung up recently and what those folk that consider themselves to be in that bracket feel about it." my heroine | |||
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"i just dont think that it is an offensive word, it is purely your way of defining the word (whether its in the dictionary or not) i honestly cannot think of anytime since school that i was called 'fat' and got upset about it. the only people that do it are d*unk idiots that are not worth me retaliating to yes you are more than fat, you are all of what you stated above and a very intelligent and articulate lady which is why i find it odd that you cannot get past this word" i'm sure that if d*unks are sing it, they too intended to offend,. my issue is not the word off and in itself...it is the fact that no other offensive word is allowed on the form, other than this one. there are standards and rules on the forms for a good reason, I don't understand why folk are choosing to insult this way and how they are able to | |||
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" one even went as far to say they didn't like fat people. But that is there preference, which everyone is entitled to so why is that insulting? because it's prejudicial....it's no different to saying you don't like someone for their colour or religion or race, except that would be illegal " ummm is it wrong of me to ask for no blacks or asians on my profile ....not being racist but its not my thing. | |||
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"To Sassy and Dances- I am overweight, fat, bbw whatever you like to use. I don't get offended by any of them. I am also ginger, and was bullied mercilessly as a child for both. The couple you refer to have been chastened for their comments in that thread. And as I said, as a rule, these forums are very tolerant and open minded. Its good that you are passionate about fairness and equality, but it is vital that you also respect peoples right to free speech." As I keep repeatedly saying, it wasn't just one comment, there have been a few of late. I do respect freedom speech and to be honest, I don't know what it is you're trying to say, I haven't said ban anyone or take their keyboards away....I'm not even saying don't have an opinion, I'm saying don't insult people to get it across | |||
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"I haunt the forums all the time, and I haven't noticed it, I think you may be over sensitive, sorry." if i remember correctly, its on the post about height, and personally, i thought the guy went seriously way over the top in his comment | |||
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"To Sassy and Dances- I am overweight, fat, bbw whatever you like to use. I don't get offended by any of them. I am also ginger, and was bullied mercilessly as a child for both. The couple you refer to have been chastened for their comments in that thread. And as I said, as a rule, these forums are very tolerant and open minded. Its good that you are passionate about fairness and equality, but it is vital that you also respect peoples right to free speech. As I keep repeatedly saying, it wasn't just one comment, there have been a few of late. I do respect freedom speech and to be honest, I don't know what it is you're trying to say, I haven't said ban anyone or take their keyboards away....I'm not even saying don't have an opinion, I'm saying don't insult people to get it across " I suppose what I am trying to say is that if the posts were that bad, Admin would have gotten involved, so, I think you are being a bit over sensitive, simples | |||
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"To Sassy and Dances- I am overweight, fat, bbw whatever you like to use. I don't get offended by any of them. I am also ginger, and was bullied mercilessly as a child for both. The couple you refer to have been chastened for their comments in that thread. And as I said, as a rule, these forums are very tolerant and open minded. Its good that you are passionate about fairness and equality, but it is vital that you also respect peoples right to free speech." Why are you addressing your comment to me? | |||
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"To Sassy and Dances- I am overweight, fat, bbw whatever you like to use. I don't get offended by any of them. I am also ginger, and was bullied mercilessly as a child for both. The couple you refer to have been chastened for their comments in that thread. And as I said, as a rule, these forums are very tolerant and open minded. Its good that you are passionate about fairness and equality, but it is vital that you also respect peoples right to free speech. Why are you addressing your comment to me? " Yes | |||
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" I suppose what I am trying to say is that if the posts were that bad, Admin would have gotten involved, so, I think you are being a bit over sensitive, simples" surely by calling me over-sensitive for airing my opinion you are trying to squash my right to freedom of speech?! | |||
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"I haunt the forums all the time, and I haven't noticed it, I think you may be over sensitive, sorry. if i remember correctly, its on the post about height, and personally, i thought the guy went seriously way over the top in his comment " just read the whole thread and there was one comment about one person's opinion on the term bbw and on another bbw thread there was one comment about one person's opinion on the term bbw do 2 posts out of about 100 make a trend nowadays?? there was a piece in the news the other week about the medical profession using the term fat instead of obese as people have become 'immune' to the word obese now | |||
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" I suppose what I am trying to say is that if the posts were that bad, Admin would have gotten involved, so, I think you are being a bit over sensitive, simples surely by calling me over-sensitive for airing my opinion you are trying to squash my right to freedom of speech?!" Ha ha ! Nope, just airing mine! | |||
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"I haunt the forums all the time, and I haven't noticed it, I think you may be over sensitive, sorry. if i remember correctly, its on the post about height, and personally, i thought the guy went seriously way over the top in his comment just read the whole thread and there was one comment about one person's opinion on the term bbw and on another bbw thread there was one comment about one person's opinion on the term bbw do 2 posts out of about 100 make a trend nowadays?? there was a piece in the news the other week about the medical profession using the term fat instead of obese as people have become 'immune' to the word obese now " nope.....if you had read it you would have noticed that I said I could identify two in the last two days and my first thought was "here we go again"...it's not only two....and as I also pointed out before, if it doesn't offend you, you wont pick up on it | |||
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"Do ya know something... And this from someone with an ass the size of a ....well a big un anyways. I often chuckle when reading some (not all) of the "fat" ."bbw" . whatever comments. Especially those not so nice ... The reason i often chuckle is because i read it like whoever is making the comments are green with bloody envy. We dont do so bad for biguns on this site and im sure each and every one of us have loads of mail. And how bloody dare we....we arent svelt and slim and slender and why do men fancy us. ???? Well thank god guys do .. I was at the cannock social sat and saw lots of gorgeous bbw,s along with the slim and slender.. And didnt we have a blast eh. So do as i do and have a chuckle next time you read a comment that may get you narked and think of little green men " Usually inundated Its nice to be appreciated lol | |||
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"I haunt the forums all the time, and I haven't noticed it, I think you may be over sensitive, sorry. if i remember correctly, its on the post about height, and personally, i thought the guy went seriously way over the top in his comment just read the whole thread and there was one comment about one person's opinion on the term bbw and on another bbw thread there was one comment about one person's opinion on the term bbw do 2 posts out of about 100 make a trend nowadays?? there was a piece in the news the other week about the medical profession using the term fat instead of obese as people have become 'immune' to the word obese now nope.....if you had read it you would have noticed that I said I could identify two in the last two days and my first thought was "here we go again"...it's not only two....and as I also pointed out before, if it doesn't offend you, you wont pick up on it " i read your OP which states there is a trend, then you mention just 2 occasions. Perhaps i dot pick up on it because i dont see it as an issue but will be doing some research to see how prolific the trend is back soon | |||
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"I applaud the Op for raising this thread, it should be enough just to say that she is offended, but she along with others have gone further and explained why. The argument has been put very well. I personally don't believe there is a shift towards a 'fattist attitude' in this forum but it doesn't mean there hasn't been. I do not consider myself to be above an average weight therefore I would probably be less sensitive to a shift in that direction and would not notice it as quickly. I do however think that by raising this in a seperate thread it does highlight that certain words are offensive to some people. Those that under free speech choose to continue using those words cannot then hide behind being ignorant of the effect those words have on some individuals. " thank you kindly sir x | |||
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"I applaud the Op for raising this thread, it should be enough just to say that she is offended, but she along with others have gone further and explained why. The argument has been put very well. I personally don't believe there is a shift towards a 'fattist attitude' in this forum but it doesn't mean there hasn't been. I do not consider myself to be above an average weight therefore I would probably be less sensitive to a shift in that direction and would not notice it as quickly. I do however think that by raising this in a seperate thread it does highlight that certain words are offensive to some people. Those that under free speech choose to continue using those words cannot then hide behind being ignorant of the effect those words have on some individuals. " good point well made | |||
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