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"Proof that despite it being the 21st century certain religions still have it completely wrong!" Be fair, you wouldn't get away with it in St Pauls either. Show some respect. | |||
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"Some people think that every place on earth is like Magaluf on party night They learn, it isn't Stupid girl " Thing is Magaluf hates it's reputation and the shenanigans that tourists get up to. The digital generation are incredibly willing to shop window their entire lives with little thought to the impact. | |||
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"Some people think that every place on earth is like Magaluf on party night They learn, it isn't Stupid girl Thing is Magaluf hates it's reputation and the shenanigans that tourists get up to. The digital generation are incredibly willing to shop window their entire lives with little thought to the impact." 
Indeed they do
They will show remorse, arrive home and some tabloid will pay for the story
'My jail hell'
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"Some people think that every place on earth is like Magaluf on party night They learn, it isn't Stupid girl Thing is Magaluf hates it's reputation and the shenanigans that tourists get up to. The digital generation are incredibly willing to shop window their entire lives with little thought to the impact." Very true indeed. | |||
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"Some people think that every place on earth is like Magaluf on party night They learn, it isn't Stupid girl Thing is Magaluf hates it's reputation and the shenanigans that tourists get up to. The digital generation are incredibly willing to shop window their entire lives with little thought to the impact. Very true indeed. " To have a permanent recording of youthful errors always out there in cyberspace! 
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"Proof that despite it being the 21st century certain religions still have it completely wrong! Be fair, you wouldn't get away with it in St Pauls either. Show some respect." My comment was aimed at the theory that it caused an earthquake, which it obviously didn't. | |||
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"Proof that despite it being the 21st century certain religions still have it completely wrong! Be fair, you wouldn't get away with it in St Pauls either. Show some respect. My comment was aimed at the theory that it caused an earthquake, which it obviously didn't." A case of inflicting your belief system on the locals. | |||
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"It appears to me that the OP is showing a lack of respect for other nationalities culture and belief systems. " To quote my original post.... "I know other countries and religions have their own beliefs, which I am not mocking" | |||
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"Meanwhile NAKED RAMBLER, continues to waste all our money whilst we pay for him to be naked in Prison for another 3 years. Be cheaper to buy him a flat in Cap d'Age." and I am glad that someone mentioned the naked rambler..... because i was just about to..... I dont have much sympathy because it was a silly thing to do.... the best outcome would be for them just to deport her and make her pay a fine.... | |||
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"Proof that despite it being the 21st century certain religions still have it completely wrong! Be fair, you wouldn't get away with it in St Pauls either. Show some respect. My comment was aimed at the theory that it caused an earthquake, which it obviously didn't." It may have   | |||
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"Proof that despite it being the 21st century certain religions still have it completely wrong! Be fair, you wouldn't get away with it in St Pauls either. Show some respect. My comment was aimed at the theory that it caused an earthquake, which it obviously didn't. A case of inflicting your belief system on the locals. " Or a case of sound scientific reasoning. Nudity on a mountain, however disrespectful to the locals, doesn't cause earthquakes. | |||
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"Proof that despite it being the 21st century certain religions still have it completely wrong! Be fair, you wouldn't get away with it in St Pauls either. Show some respect." this.. | |||
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"Proof that despite it being the 21st century certain religions still have it completely wrong!" . I think we should respect the culture and religion of other countries . It was not particularly clever to post pictures of their activity on Facebook . | |||
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"On a flip side....what would it look like if some foreign tourist goes to Stonehenge,gets butt naked,takes tonnes of naked selfies...and even takes a bigger piss by pissing on the stones,it would be a national rage for all I know. Jail the idiots for all I care and maybe they would learn little manners mum and dad definitely didn't bother to teach them so well "Doesn't this already happen on the 21st June every year lol | |||
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"Proof that despite it being the 21st century certain religions still have it completely wrong!. I think we should respect the culture and religion of other countries . It was not particularly clever to post pictures of their activity on Facebook ." Yes, it was stupid and disrespectful and they deserve to be punished but that doesn't change the fact that nudity doesn't cause earthquakes, which has always been the point I've been trying to make. | |||
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"Why has this made the news? Is there nothing more important to devote the time too? After all what is the story? A group of STUPID westerners went to an Islamic country known to have very harsh laws including sharia courts and prisons (Brits executed for drug trafficking) and strip off on the side of a 'holy mountain' and publish photos on line while still in country get arrested! A story not worth the news print." Yet it made the front pages of some newspapers and the guilty plea has made the news. Whatever westerners do it newsworthy when others try to stop them doing something. | |||
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"Why has this made the news? Is there nothing more important to devote the time too? After all what is the story? A group of STUPID westerners went to an Islamic country known to have very harsh laws including sharia courts and prisons (Brits executed for drug trafficking) and strip off on the side of a 'holy mountain' and publish photos on line while still in country get arrested! A story not worth the news print." would it be also not news worthy if some tourists had stripped off for the same type of selfie in front of Buck house..? stupid is as stupid does.. | |||
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"Why has this made the news? Is there nothing more important to devote the time too? After all what is the story? A group of STUPID westerners went to an Islamic country known to have very harsh laws including sharia courts and prisons (Brits executed for drug trafficking) and strip off on the side of a 'holy mountain' and publish photos on line while still in country get arrested! A story not worth the news print. would it be also not news worthy if some tourists had stripped off for the same type of selfie in front of Buck house..? stupid is as stupid does.." Have you seen some of the pictures on here? I think some already have done Buck House. | |||
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"If nudity had upset them, I'd have said fair enough it doesn't bother me but it's their country however...... Angering gods! Wtf, get with the programme it's 2015 ffs what sort of belief system do they teach over there!. If it had been any longer sentence than three days, personally I'd have liked to have seen consular intervention. " Ever hear the saying 'When in Rome' | |||
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"If nudity had upset them, I'd have said fair enough it doesn't bother me but it's their country however...... Angering gods! Wtf, get with the programme it's 2015 ffs what sort of belief system do they teach over there!. If it had been any longer sentence than three days, personally I'd have liked to have seen consular intervention. Ever hear the saying 'When in Rome'" ..errr mmm yes like I said if it was something reasonable!. I think imprisoning somebody for topless pictures for fear of earthquakes from gods is a little unreasonable!. Massai tribes spit and curse on newborns for fear of cursing them with praise from the gods... That don't mean I want my baby spat on while visiting, because as more educated people we should point out the stupidity of believing that!. There's plenty of things we can learn from the massai and plenty of things they can learn from us! | |||
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"What makes your belief system any more valid than theirs. Physicists will tell you that they have no idea what caused the Big Bang. Who is to say that mountain gods are any less a plausible explanation than whatever you have. It doesn't matter where we go in the world, we should respect the wishes of the locals. " Nah | |||
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And She already has a contract to sell the story to The Sun newspaper.. | |||
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"What makes your belief system any more valid than theirs. Physicists will tell you that they have no idea what caused the Big Bang. Who is to say that mountain gods are any less a plausible explanation than whatever you have. It doesn't matter where we go in the world, we should respect the wishes of the locals. " Are you on drugs? D*unk?? Like a previous gentleman said, nudity does NOT cause natural disasters. Fact! This isn't an explanation it's fact! Wake up and get in the real world. Some people!  | |||
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"What makes your belief system any more valid than theirs. Physicists will tell you that they have no idea what caused the Big Bang. Who is to say that mountain gods are any less a plausible explanation than whatever you have. It doesn't matter where we go in the world, we should respect the wishes of the locals. " . Double nah. My beliefs are based on science not hocus pocus, if I see locals throwing virgins into volcano's I'd be tempted to say.... Oi idiot that ain't gonna cure shit because science says.... That's not how it works!!!. Were evolving and with evolution comes knowledge and its our duty to let less evolved people no that there stupid beliefs are stupid! If you wanna believe nakedness causes earthquakes go ahead but don't imprison people who know better because your an idiot! | |||
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"They were charged with public indecency not with causing a quake. The law and the mythology are getting very confused on here. The sentence of three days was for public indecency. We have a naked rambler in jail for over 6 years for the same and repeatedly breaching the ASBO he has on public decency. " | |||
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"They were charged with public indecency not with causing a quake. The law and the mythology are getting very confused on here. The sentence of three days was for public indecency. We have a naked rambler in jail for over 6 years for the same and repeatedly breaching the ASBO he has on public decency. " . Ahh so do they arrest every woman topless on a beach?. I've personally never been in favour of jailing the naked rambler...I cannot for the life of me see what is offensive about a naked person | |||
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"They were charged with public indecency not with causing a quake. The law and the mythology are getting very confused on here. The sentence of three days was for public indecency. We have a naked rambler in jail for over 6 years for the same and repeatedly breaching the ASBO he has on public decency. . Ahh so do they arrest every woman topless on a beach?. I've personally never been in favour of jailing the naked rambler...I cannot for the life of me see what is offensive about a naked person" A beach designated for topless bathing may well exist there for all I know. Even our public decency test isn't consistent. Where and when has a bearing. But you know that. | |||
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"What makes your belief system any more valid than theirs. Physicists will tell you that they have no idea what caused the Big Bang. Who is to say that mountain gods are any less a plausible explanation than whatever you have. It doesn't matter where we go in the world, we should respect the wishes of the locals. . Double nah. My beliefs are based on science not hocus pocus, if I see locals throwing virgins into volcano's I'd be tempted to say.... Oi idiot that ain't gonna cure shit because science says.... That's not how it works!!!. Were evolving and with evolution comes knowledge and its our duty to let less evolved people no that there stupid beliefs are stupid! If you wanna believe nakedness causes earthquakes go ahead but don't imprison people who know better because your an idiot!" Everything we know about science from time immemorial has been disproved. We no longer believe that the world is flat and have moved on from barber surgeons but as far as creationism and the Big Bang theory goes, the jury is still out. Mountain gods are just as relevant. The arrogance in believing that ones own belief system is the only one that fits the facts (especially when not all the facts are known) is dangerous. Quantum theories cannot be proven which is why they are that, Merely theories. Einstein believed that nothing can move faster than the speed of light. This has already been disproven. As yet, nobody has scientifically disproven the existence of a higher power so I am sticking with the mountain gods. | |||
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"What makes your belief system any more valid than theirs. Physicists will tell you that they have no idea what caused the Big Bang. Who is to say that mountain gods are any less a plausible explanation than whatever you have. It doesn't matter where we go in the world, we should respect the wishes of the locals. . Double nah. My beliefs are based on science not hocus pocus, if I see locals throwing virgins into volcano's I'd be tempted to say.... Oi idiot that ain't gonna cure shit because science says.... That's not how it works!!!. Were evolving and with evolution comes knowledge and its our duty to let less evolved people no that there stupid beliefs are stupid! If you wanna believe nakedness causes earthquakes go ahead but don't imprison people who know better because your an idiot! Everything we know about science from time immemorial has been disproved. We no longer believe that the world is flat and have moved on from barber surgeons but as far as creationism and the Big Bang theory goes, the jury is still out. Mountain gods are just as relevant. The arrogance in believing that ones own belief system is the only one that fits the facts (especially when not all the facts are known) is dangerous. Quantum theories cannot be proven which is why they are that, Merely theories. Einstein believed that nothing can move faster than the speed of light. This has already been disproven. As yet, nobody has scientifically disproven the existence of a higher power so I am sticking with the mountain gods. " . 1 believing in the world being flat is not the same as knowing the world isn't flat! 2 the jury isn't out on creationism.... It's bollocks! Evolution isn't a theory it's a fact, I've had this out with people before... Look it up evolution is proven beyond scientific doubt so suitably it's known as a fact!. 3.... Nothing does travel faster than the speed of light | |||
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"They were charged with public indecency not with causing a quake. The law and the mythology are getting very confused on here. The sentence of three days was for public indecency. We have a naked rambler in jail for over 6 years for the same and repeatedly breaching the ASBO he has on public decency. . Ahh so do they arrest every woman topless on a beach?. I've personally never been in favour of jailing the naked rambler...I cannot for the life of me see what is offensive about a naked person A beach designated for topless bathing may well exist there for all I know. Even our public decency test isn't consistent. Where and when has a bearing. But you know that. " . So top of a mountain surrounded by no one but friends is indecency but on a beach with thousands is fine!. | |||
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"They were charged with public indecency not with causing a quake. The law and the mythology are getting very confused on here. The sentence of three days was for public indecency. We have a naked rambler in jail for over 6 years for the same and repeatedly breaching the ASBO he has on public decency. . Ahh so do they arrest every woman topless on a beach?. I've personally never been in favour of jailing the naked rambler...I cannot for the life of me see what is offensive about a naked person A beach designated for topless bathing may well exist there for all I know. Even our public decency test isn't consistent. Where and when has a bearing. But you know that. . So top of a mountain surrounded by no one but friends is indecency but on a beach with thousands is fine!. " by George you've got it | |||
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"What makes your belief system any more valid than theirs. Physicists will tell you that they have no idea what caused the Big Bang. Who is to say that mountain gods are any less a plausible explanation than whatever you have. It doesn't matter where we go in the world, we should respect the wishes of the locals. . Double nah. My beliefs are based on science not hocus pocus, if I see locals throwing virgins into volcano's I'd be tempted to say.... Oi idiot that ain't gonna cure shit because science says.... That's not how it works!!!. Were evolving and with evolution comes knowledge and its our duty to let less evolved people no that there stupid beliefs are stupid! If you wanna believe nakedness causes earthquakes go ahead but don't imprison people who know better because your an idiot! Everything we know about science from time immemorial has been disproved. We no longer believe that the world is flat and have moved on from barber surgeons but as far as creationism and the Big Bang theory goes, the jury is still out. Mountain gods are just as relevant. The arrogance in believing that ones own belief system is the only one that fits the facts (especially when not all the facts are known) is dangerous. Quantum theories cannot be proven which is why they are that, Merely theories. Einstein believed that nothing can move faster than the speed of light. This has already been disproven. As yet, nobody has scientifically disproven the existence of a higher power so I am sticking with the mountain gods. . 1 believing in the world being flat is not the same as knowing the world isn't flat! 2 the jury isn't out on creationism.... It's bollocks! Evolution isn't a theory it's a fact, I've had this out with people before... Look it up evolution is proven beyond scientific doubt so suitably it's known as a fact!. 3.... Nothing does travel faster than the speed of light "see this is where your theory falls apart right here. The Hadron collider has already proven that nano particles do in fact move faster than light. Now don't even get me started on dark matter. C... | |||
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"They were charged with public indecency not with causing a quake. The law and the mythology are getting very confused on here. The sentence of three days was for public indecency. We have a naked rambler in jail for over 6 years for the same and repeatedly breaching the ASBO he has on public decency. . Ahh so do they arrest every woman topless on a beach?. I've personally never been in favour of jailing the naked rambler...I cannot for the life of me see what is offensive about a naked person A beach designated for topless bathing may well exist there for all I know. Even our public decency test isn't consistent. Where and when has a bearing. But you know that. . So top of a mountain surrounded by no one but friends is indecency but on a beach with thousands is fine!. " A mountain held sacred where the worst offence they had recorded before this was people leaving litter. You want to argue this, fine, but I see nothing wrong with a country enforcing it's public decency laws and haven't got the life to bother giving your outrage at this any more time. My point is that they were not arrested for causing an earthquake, whatever the headlines say. | |||
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"What makes your belief system any more valid than theirs. Physicists will tell you that they have no idea what caused the Big Bang. Who is to say that mountain gods are any less a plausible explanation than whatever you have. It doesn't matter where we go in the world, we should respect the wishes of the locals. . Double nah. My beliefs are based on science not hocus pocus, if I see locals throwing virgins into volcano's I'd be tempted to say.... Oi idiot that ain't gonna cure shit because science says.... That's not how it works!!!. Were evolving and with evolution comes knowledge and its our duty to let less evolved people no that there stupid beliefs are stupid! If you wanna believe nakedness causes earthquakes go ahead but don't imprison people who know better because your an idiot! Everything we know about science from time immemorial has been disproved. We no longer believe that the world is flat and have moved on from barber surgeons but as far as creationism and the Big Bang theory goes, the jury is still out. Mountain gods are just as relevant. The arrogance in believing that ones own belief system is the only one that fits the facts (especially when not all the facts are known) is dangerous. Quantum theories cannot be proven which is why they are that, Merely theories. Einstein believed that nothing can move faster than the speed of light. This has already been disproven. As yet, nobody has scientifically disproven the existence of a higher power so I am sticking with the mountain gods. . 1 believing in the world being flat is not the same as knowing the world isn't flat! 2 the jury isn't out on creationism.... It's bollocks! Evolution isn't a theory it's a fact, I've had this out with people before... Look it up evolution is proven beyond scientific doubt so suitably it's known as a fact!. 3.... Nothing does travel faster than the speed of light see this is where your theory falls apart right here. The Hadron collider has already proven that nano particles do in fact move faster than light. Now don't even get me started on dark matter.
C...". No CERN did not prove special relativity wrong.. Einstein's theory is as good today as when he wrote it. If you look at what CERN found its data was wrong and had no bearing either way as neutrinos in vacuums is not what Eisenstein's theory was about anyway!. Science is about the best we know at this time. The best we know right now is that earthquakes are caused by tectonic plates shifting.... You wanna disprove that and go with the good theory.... Get going and show some evidence or until then your just talking crap. | |||
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"They were charged with public indecency not with causing a quake. The law and the mythology are getting very confused on here. The sentence of three days was for public indecency. We have a naked rambler in jail for over 6 years for the same and repeatedly breaching the ASBO he has on public decency. . Ahh so do they arrest every woman topless on a beach?. I've personally never been in favour of jailing the naked rambler...I cannot for the life of me see what is offensive about a naked person A beach designated for topless bathing may well exist there for all I know. Even our public decency test isn't consistent. Where and when has a bearing. But you know that. . So top of a mountain surrounded by no one but friends is indecency but on a beach with thousands is fine!. by George you've got it "Hardly. For the people of that country it's a very important and sacred place, if you agree with it or not you have to show some respect for others beliefs and values. Don't forget it was put on social media. When in Rome and all that. | |||
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"They were charged with public indecency not with causing a quake. The law and the mythology are getting very confused on here. The sentence of three days was for public indecency. We have a naked rambler in jail for over 6 years for the same and repeatedly breaching the ASBO he has on public decency. . Ahh so do they arrest every woman topless on a beach?. I've personally never been in favour of jailing the naked rambler...I cannot for the life of me see what is offensive about a naked person A beach designated for topless bathing may well exist there for all I know. Even our public decency test isn't consistent. Where and when has a bearing. But you know that. . So top of a mountain surrounded by no one but friends is indecency but on a beach with thousands is fine!. A mountain held sacred where the worst offence they had recorded before this was people leaving litter. You want to argue this, fine, but I see nothing wrong with a country enforcing it's public decency laws and haven't got the life to bother giving your outrage at this any more time. My point is that they were not arrested for causing an earthquake, whatever the headlines say. " . My outrage knows no bounds. I like the way you like to correct me but then jib out when asked the difficult questions. How many get attested for being topless on a beach and do the get three days imprison. If the answer is loads... Check my first answer on the post... I'm fine with it (it's stupid but it's their stupid country to be stupid with). I suspect they trumped up the indecency charges as there'd have found it ridiculously hard to have charged her with causing earthquakes! | |||
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""Authorities in Malaysia have arrested a foreign national for allegedly posing naked for pictures on the country’s highest peak, Mount Kinabalu, an act some Malaysians have said angered the spirits of the mountain and caused an earthquake." (Source:- http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/09/foreigner-arrested-malaysians-blame-nude-mountain-pictures-for-earthquake?CMP=soc_567) I know other countries and religions have their own beliefs, which I am not mocking, but this is reminding me of the whole Gay weather thing." Prove that the Gods weren't angered and caused an earthquake. | |||
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" Ahh so do they arrest every woman topless on a beach?. I've personally never been in favour of jailing the naked rambler...I cannot for the life of me see what is offensive about a naked person" I don't know, but I do seem to remember that radical Islamist's used a similar incident as justification for bombing a Bali bar and killing over 200. Now I know that Bali is one of the Indonesian Islands and this happened in Malaysia, but they are both part of the same island group and they all share the same basic culture. But I guess Brits being convicted of indecency in a place where there are willing to kill 200 for drinking alcohol and wearing immodest clothing by stripping on one of their sacred mountains is something we and our news media should be making a fuss about, it's not like they could provoke a backlash that could get innocents killed... | |||
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""Authorities in Malaysia have arrested a foreign national for allegedly posing naked for pictures on the country’s highest peak, Mount Kinabalu, an act some Malaysians have said angered the spirits of the mountain and caused an earthquake." (Source:- http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/09/foreigner-arrested-malaysians-blame-nude-mountain-pictures-for-earthquake?CMP=soc_567) I know other countries and religions have their own beliefs, which I am not mocking, but this is reminding me of the whole Gay weather thing. Prove that the Gods weren't angered and caused an earthquake." Any god that's angered by a naked human has got to be a right arsehole. You'd think it would have better things to worry about. | |||
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""Authorities in Malaysia have arrested a foreign national for allegedly posing naked for pictures on the country’s highest peak, Mount Kinabalu, an act some Malaysians have said angered the spirits of the mountain and caused an earthquake." (Source:- http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/09/foreigner-arrested-malaysians-blame-nude-mountain-pictures-for-earthquake?CMP=soc_567) I know other countries and religions have their own beliefs, which I am not mocking, but this is reminding me of the whole Gay weather thing. Prove that the Gods weren't angered and caused an earthquake." . Science doesn't work like that... Firstly you get a plausible theory the that fits with the facts. Then you try and disprove your theory with science, the more you can't disprove it, the more it's given merit. So let's take the facts. 1 earthquakes happened long before humans were on earth! That kinda ruins the argument straight off 2 scientific measurements show that tectonic plates shift causing mountains to be formed and tremors to be felt from the energy released from there movement!. Yes that mountain is there from earthquakes and plate shifting... No gods needed just physics | |||
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" Ahh so do they arrest every woman topless on a beach?. I've personally never been in favour of jailing the naked rambler...I cannot for the life of me see what is offensive about a naked person I don't know, but I do seem to remember that radical Islamist's used a similar incident as justification for bombing a Bali bar and killing over 200. Now I know that Bali is one of the Indonesian Islands and this happened in Malaysia, but they are both part of the same island group and they all share the same basic culture. But I guess Brits being convicted of indecency in a place where there are willing to kill 200 for drinking alcohol and wearing immodest clothing by stripping on one of their sacred mountains is something we and our news media should be making a fuss about, it's not like they could provoke a backlash that could get innocents killed... " . A backward unevolved culture that actually we shouldn't be bowing to but should be saying wait a minute... You really need to rethink your beliefs! | |||
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"If someone from another country came here and took a picture of themselves naked leaning against the Cenotaph do you think it would get everyone angry?" . Judging by this audience.... Obviously yes,I like the way you compare a memorial to dead soldiers to a mountain thats held sacred through God rituals!. A better comparison would be stone henge or hadrians wall. So let's think now do you really think a tourist would be given jail for posing topless at either of those places? | |||
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" 1 believing in the world being flat is not the same as knowing the world isn't flat! 2 the jury isn't out on creationism.... It's bollocks! Evolution isn't a theory it's a fact, I've had this out with people before... Look it up evolution is proven beyond scientific doubt so suitably it's known as a fact!. 3.... Nothing does travel faster than the speed of light ""A common misconception is that scientific theories are rudimentary ideas that will eventually graduate into scientific laws when enough data and evidence has been accumulated. This is not true, as scientific theory and scientific law have different definitions. A theory does not change into a scientific law with the accumulation of new or better evidence. A theory will always remain a theory, a law will always remain a law. A theory will never become a law, and a law never was a theory." Evolution, despite the sheer amount of evidence in its favour and lack of disproving evidence, is still only a theory and will only ever be a theory. Much the same as the theory of relatively, or the theory of gravity. | |||
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""Authorities in Malaysia have arrested a foreign national for allegedly posing naked for pictures on the country’s highest peak, Mount Kinabalu, an act some Malaysians have said angered the spirits of the mountain and caused an earthquake." " And yet we live in a country where some of the laws are still based on the state religion that believed that a dead Jewish Zombie magician who was his own father ad also a ghost can make you live forever if you eat his flesh and drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove a curse that he put there because a woman made out of a man's rib ( who in turn was made out of dust) was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. | |||
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""And yet we live in a country where some of the laws are still based on the state religion that believed that a dead Jewish Zombie magician who was his own father ad also a ghost can make you live forever if you eat his flesh and drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove a curse that he put there because a woman made out of a man's rib ( who in turn was made out of dust) was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree." ... Sounds legit to me. | |||
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" 1 believing in the world being flat is not the same as knowing the world isn't flat! 2 the jury isn't out on creationism.... It's bollocks! Evolution isn't a theory it's a fact, I've had this out with people before... Look it up evolution is proven beyond scientific doubt so suitably it's known as a fact!. 3.... Nothing does travel faster than the speed of light
"A common misconception is that scientific theories are rudimentary ideas that will eventually graduate into scientific laws when enough data and evidence has been accumulated. This is not true, as scientific theory and scientific law have different definitions. A theory does not change into a scientific law with the accumulation of new or better evidence. A theory will always remain a theory, a law will always remain a law. A theory will never become a law, and a law never was a theory."
Evolution, despite the sheer amount of evidence in its favour and lack of disproving evidence, is still only a theory and will only ever be a theory. Much the same as the theory of relatively, or the theory of gravity.
". Wikipedia. Many scientists and philosophers of science have described evolution as fact and theory, a phrase which was used as the title of an article by paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould in 1981. He describes fact in science as meaning data, not absolute certainty but "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent." A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of such facts. The facts of evolution come from observational evidence of current processes, from imperfections in organisms recording historical common descent, and from transitions in the fossil record. Theories of evolution provide a provisional explanation for these facts. | |||
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"If someone from another country came here and took a picture of themselves naked leaning against the Cenotaph do you think it would get everyone angry?. Judging by this audience.... Obviously yes,I like the way you compare a memorial to dead soldiers to a mountain thats held sacred through God rituals!. A better comparison would be stone henge or hadrians wall. So let's think now do you really think a tourist would be given jail for posing topless at either of those places?" It's a matter of respect for that countries beliefs. Whether you think it backwards or not, if you're in their country, you obey their rules & customs or you suffer the consequences. And no, I don't for one second believe they caused the earthquake. | |||
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""Authorities in Malaysia have arrested a foreign national for allegedly posing naked for pictures on the country’s highest peak, Mount Kinabalu, an act some Malaysians have said angered the spirits of the mountain and caused an earthquake." And yet we live in a country where some of the laws are still based on the state religion that believed that a dead Jewish Zombie magician who was his own father ad also a ghost can make you live forever if you eat his flesh and drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove a curse that he put there because a woman made out of a man's rib ( who in turn was made out of dust) was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree." In your opinion. | |||
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"If someone from another country came here and took a picture of themselves naked leaning against the Cenotaph do you think it would get everyone angry?. Judging by this audience.... Obviously yes,I like the way you compare a memorial to dead soldiers to a mountain thats held sacred through God rituals!. A better comparison would be stone henge or hadrians wall. So let's think now do you really think a tourist would be given jail for posing topless at either of those places? It's a matter of respect for that countries beliefs. Whether you think it backwards or not, if you're in their country, you obey their rules & customs or you suffer the consequences. And no, I don't for one second believe they caused the earthquake." . So you approve of isis beheading journalists or what about boko haram killing non virgin women!. A belief/culture is either of sound judgement or its of bollocks. Quite frankly there's alot of places in the world with very very poor thinking! | |||
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" Wikipedia. Many scientists and philosophers of science have described evolution as fact and theory, a phrase which was used as the title of an article by paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould in 1981. He describes fact in science as meaning data, not absolute certainty but "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent." A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of such facts. The facts of evolution come from observational evidence of current processes, from imperfections in organisms recording historical common descent, and from transitions in the fossil record. Theories of evolution provide a provisional explanation for these facts." Note: "theories of evolution" and "provisional explanation". Drop a pen from shoulder height and 9,999,999,999,999 it will fall down to the floor. That's not to say that the next time you drop it, it won't fall up. Theories just simply can never become fact. I personally believe that the theory of evolution is the right one. The evidence in its favour is insurmountable, in my eyes, just don't agree with the idea that there is so much evidence it's suddenly a fact, is all. | |||
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"If someone from another country came here and took a picture of themselves naked leaning against the Cenotaph do you think it would get everyone angry?. Judging by this audience.... Obviously yes,I like the way you compare a memorial to dead soldiers to a mountain thats held sacred through God rituals!. A better comparison would be stone henge or hadrians wall. So let's think now do you really think a tourist would be given jail for posing topless at either of those places? It's a matter of respect for that countries beliefs. Whether you think it backwards or not, if you're in their country, you obey their rules & customs or you suffer the consequences. And no, I don't for one second believe they caused the earthquake.. So you approve of isis beheading journalists or what about boko haram killing non virgin women!. A belief/culture is either of sound judgement or its of bollocks. Quite frankly there's alot of places in the world with very very poor thinking!" Oh grow up. Sending someone to prison for 3 days for public indecency is not in the same league as Isis etc so don't even compare it. | |||
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" Wikipedia. Many scientists and philosophers of science have described evolution as fact and theory, a phrase which was used as the title of an article by paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould in 1981. He describes fact in science as meaning data, not absolute certainty but "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent." A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of such facts. The facts of evolution come from observational evidence of current processes, from imperfections in organisms recording historical common descent, and from transitions in the fossil record. Theories of evolution provide a provisional explanation for these facts. Note: "theories of evolution" and "provisional explanation". Drop a pen from shoulder height and 9,999,999,999,999 it will fall down to the floor. That's not to say that the next time you drop it, it won't fall up. Theories just simply can never become fact. I personally believe that the theory of evolution is the right one. The evidence in its favour is insurmountable, in my eyes, just don't agree with the idea that there is so much evidence it's suddenly a fact, is all." . No I quoted it as a fact proved beyond reasonable doubt... You then declared to me I was wrong because it can never be a scientific law.. The two things are completely different. There is no certainties beyond laws. You just have science, alot of science like that behind evolution and we can call it a theory/fact. To plead some sort of.... "It's just a theory" does the many people who've worked on it for hundreds of years a great injustice. | |||
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"If someone from another country came here and took a picture of themselves naked leaning against the Cenotaph do you think it would get everyone angry?. Judging by this audience.... Obviously yes,I like the way you compare a memorial to dead soldiers to a mountain thats held sacred through God rituals!. A better comparison would be stone henge or hadrians wall. So let's think now do you really think a tourist would be given jail for posing topless at either of those places? It's a matter of respect for that countries beliefs. Whether you think it backwards or not, if you're in their country, you obey their rules & customs or you suffer the consequences. And no, I don't for one second believe they caused the earthquake.. So you approve of isis beheading journalists or what about boko haram killing non virgin women!. A belief/culture is either of sound judgement or its of bollocks. Quite frankly there's alot of places in the world with very very poor thinking! Oh grow up. Sending someone to prison for 3 days for public indecency is not in the same league as Isis etc so don't even compare it." . Your not respecting my ideas or culture, it seems as your as disrespectful as the woman you claim to be morally superior too! | |||
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" No I quoted it as a fact proved beyond reasonable doubt... You then declared to me I was wrong because it can never be a scientific law.. The two things are completely different. There is no certainties beyond laws. You just have science, alot of science like that behind evolution and we can call it a theory/fact. To plead some sort of.... "It's just a theory" does the many people who've worked on it for hundreds of years a great injustice." I don't think many scientists did what they did for justice or glory. My overall point is that there ARE many facts within the theory of evolution, and as a whole there really isn't any need to observe whether or not it has/is occurring. Due to the nature of science, though, it always will be a "just a theory". I'm sure Darwin and many others got over that a long time ago. | |||
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" No I quoted it as a fact proved beyond reasonable doubt... You then declared to me I was wrong because it can never be a scientific law.. The two things are completely different. There is no certainties beyond laws. You just have science, alot of science like that behind evolution and we can call it a theory/fact. To plead some sort of.... "It's just a theory" does the many people who've worked on it for hundreds of years a great injustice. I don't think many scientists did what they did for justice or glory. My overall point is that there ARE many facts within the theory of evolution, and as a whole there really isn't any need to observe whether or not it has/is occurring. Due to the nature of science, though, it always will be a "just a theory". I'm sure Darwin and many others got over that a long time ago." . Your entitled to your opinion, you just disagree with thousands of scientist who refer to it as theory/fact as I've pointed out to you on wikipedia! | |||
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" Your entitled to your opinion, you just disagree with thousands of scientist who refer to it as theory/fact as I've pointed out to you on wikipedia!" Not quite sure if you're listening. I just said that it's quite obvious it's a fact that evolution occurs. I can't argue with the facts that are presented for the case, I don't want to and I fully believe in evolution, you'd have to be a little backwards to not. It's also a fact that gravity forces things towards its gravitational centre. It's also a fact that the Earth orbits the sun. They're still called the THEORY of evolution, the THEORY of gravity and the THEORY of heliocentricity. It's purely an issue of semantics that I had an issue with. | |||
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""Authorities in Malaysia have arrested a foreign national for allegedly posing naked for pictures on the country’s highest peak, Mount Kinabalu, an act some Malaysians have said angered the spirits of the mountain and caused an earthquake." (Source:- http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/09/foreigner-arrested-malaysians-blame-nude-mountain-pictures-for-earthquake?CMP=soc_567) I know other countries and religions have their own beliefs, which I am not mocking, but this is reminding me of the whole Gay weather thing. Prove that the Gods weren't angered and caused an earthquake." Seriously ? We indeed could orchestrate an objective experiment which indeed could give us a vast amount of data. It would require blind testing a 5 year period 20 groups random nakedness and a record of earthquakes A statistical correlation or not could be established Of course I'd suggest that the above effort should only be taken if YOU can prove that you allowing other women to lick your cunt in the past has not angered the gods in fact prove to us that all the world's homosexual behavior has not angered them so much that all the world's volcano eruptions, deadly storms, earthquakes, lightening strikes, etc So yes I will be able to prove that there is no statistical correlation between nudity on a mountain and local earthquakes But I think you may struggle to PROVE that your as some religions and some people could term "debauched" behaviour is not directly responsible for the pain death and suffering of millions of humans each year from what some of us might term natural disasters ? | |||
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"Nice looking girl "Yes. Give her a job promoting Naturism. Does H & E still exist? She'll make a load of money out of it now. | |||
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"Proof that despite it being the 21st century certain religions still have it completely wrong! Be fair, you wouldn't get away with it in St Pauls either. Show some respect. My comment was aimed at the theory that it caused an earthquake, which it obviously didn't. A case of inflicting your belief system on the locals. Or a case of sound scientific reasoning. Nudity on a mountain, however disrespectful to the locals, doesn't cause earthquakes." Oh I don't know about that. I can imagine a bit of rumbling happening. | |||
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"If someone from another country came here and took a picture of themselves naked leaning against the Cenotaph do you think it would get everyone angry?. Judging by this audience.... Obviously yes,I like the way you compare a memorial to dead soldiers to a mountain thats held sacred through God rituals!. A better comparison would be stone henge or hadrians wall. So let's think now do you really think a tourist would be given jail for posing topless at either of those places? It's a matter of respect for that countries beliefs. Whether you think it backwards or not, if you're in their country, you obey their rules & customs or you suffer the consequences. And no, I don't for one second believe they caused the earthquake.. So you approve of isis beheading journalists or what about boko haram killing non virgin women!. A belief/culture is either of sound judgement or its of bollocks. Quite frankly there's alot of places in the world with very very poor thinking! Oh grow up. Sending someone to prison for 3 days for public indecency is not in the same league as Isis etc so don't even compare it." The irony of the use of the term "grow up " ? SB's analogy was clear and adult , your deliberate mis interpretation , suggesting it is childish to compare the consequences was just being obtuse It was a clear point illustrating your suggestion " respect all beliefs and customs when in another country " is without merit You clearly illustrate when you find the consequences unpalatable you too don't respect the belief underlying it? Which was the hypocrisy SB was illustrating from my perspective it is wrong to restrict a humans liberty based solely upon unsupported unsubstantiated imagining from the fertile human mind . | |||
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"You've all gone off on a bit of a tangent but the real moral of this for me is even intelligent and educated people can behave like idiots." And you feel your comment is objective and a positive contribution to the debate and NOT inflammatory and also idiotic ? | |||
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"You've all gone off on a bit of a tangent but the real moral of this for me is even intelligent and educated people can behave like idiots. And you feel your comment is objective and a positive contribution to the debate and NOT inflammatory and also idiotic ?" I was referring to the woman who was arrested, not the posters on this thread. And I do think she behaved like an idiot. So no, I don't feel my comment is inflammatory or idiotic. Shame I can't say the same for yours. | |||
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"And really, you should have been able to tell what I meant because I would never have said intelligent and educated otherwise. How's that for inflammatory? "Well I will indeed apologise for misunderstanding your point , it was not deliberate lol . | |||
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