FabSwingers.com forum: e ciggies.... the rise and fall (well ban!)

By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

the welsh assembly have push ahead on a ban on the use of e-cigs in public places.... basically the same ban as on normal cigs....

The new tobacco and e-cigarette measures will mean:

Shops will have to join a register for retailers of tobacco and e-cigarettes - aimed at stopping illegal sales to under-18s

It will be an offence to "hand over" tobacco and e-cigarettes to children - and this will include online sales

A restricted use of e-cigarettes, banning them in enclosed public spaces and workplaces - this will include lorries and taxis

split opinions..... what do you think

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I think it's OTT, personally.

And besides and e-cigarette's not a patch on the real thing...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems a little harsh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally support the ban...!!!

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

I read somewhere a while back that they haven't been around long enough to know for sure that they don't do any long term harm.

There's a lot of places that won't let you use them already.

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

I thought all that came out was water vapor so they hardly a public health risk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the welsh assembly have push ahead on a ban on the use of e-cigs in public places.... basically the same ban as on normal cigs....

The new tobacco and e-cigarette measures will mean:

Shops will have to join a register for retailers of tobacco and e-cigarettes - aimed at stopping illegal sales to under-18s

It will be an offence to "hand over" tobacco and e-cigarettes to children - and this will include online sales

A restricted use of e-cigarettes, banning them in enclosed public spaces and workplaces - this will include lorries and taxis

split opinions..... what do you think"

Sounds good to me!

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

I reckon the amount of defectors have affected the tax coffers (see what I did there, coughers) so they are trying to make things equal so folks go back to cigs

Conspiracy alert!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought all that came out was water vapor so they hardly a public health risk"

It's vegetable glycerine n propylene glycol vapour......

With natural and artificial flavouring n nicotine........

So not quite as harmless as water vapour unfortunately.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"the welsh assembly have push ahead on a ban on the use of e-cigs in public places.... basically the same ban as on normal cigs....

The new tobacco and e-cigarette measures will mean:

Shops will have to join a register for retailers of tobacco and e-cigarettes - aimed at stopping illegal sales to under-18s

It will be an offence to "hand over" tobacco and e-cigarettes to children - and this will include online sales

A restricted use of e-cigarettes, banning them in enclosed public spaces and workplaces - this will include lorries and taxis

split opinions..... what do you think"

The older I get, the more convinced I am that we need less rules and regulations in this country, not more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Happy with that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a terrible idea. Why penalise those who have/are trying to quit.

They should be making alternatives easier. Now those trying using e cigs will have to go outside with the smokers. That's hardly fair given they are trying to improve their health, to but them back near the smoke to breathe in. Near the passive smoking and the temptation.

I'm sure big tobacco companies have had some influence here.

For those questioning their safety, the main ingredients are safe for human consumption, and are found in ice cream, and other food stuffs. The question that remains is whether baling is safe.

But considering the alternative of smoking they are far far safer.

Finally, studies on mice have shown that those breathing in the vapour as well as being exposed to a virus showed a lower infection rate than those breathing just air.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Presumably everyone who is in favour of a ban on e-cigs or tobacco is also in favour of a ban on alcohol.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"Presumably everyone who is in favour of a ban on e-cigs or tobacco is also in favour of a ban on alcohol. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No its not ott there has not been enough testing done to prove they are safe. Imagine this lets suppose someone becomes ill and not saying would happen it could be linked to e cigs then the industry would have serious issues with lots putting claims on ie passive smoking as happened with cancer sticks.

No one knows what chemicals are actually used in e cigs folk are falling for the flavours and not thinking it through.

Safety first as until proven by experts and clear labelling as to chemicals used which lets face it could be carcogenic.

Folk think its cool like a fashion accessory its ridiculous.

Despite what folk think its banned in government buildings etc because they could be open in time to litigation and if folk cannot cope without a ciggie for while whilst indoors it says a lot really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Presumably everyone who is in favour of a ban on e-cigs or tobacco is also in favour of a ban on alcohol.

Folk do not die of passive alcohol what a stupid response I assume you are smoker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the welsh assembly have push ahead on a ban on the use of e-cigs in public places.... basically the same ban as on normal cigs....

The new tobacco and e-cigarette measures will mean:

Shops will have to join a register for retailers of tobacco and e-cigarettes - aimed at stopping illegal sales to under-18s

It will be an offence to "hand over" tobacco and e-cigarettes to children - and this will include online sales

A restricted use of e-cigarettes, banning them in enclosed public spaces and workplaces - this will include lorries and taxis

split opinions..... what do you think

The older I get, the more convinced I am that we need less rules and regulations in this country, not more."

Its about health and lives not regulation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought all that came out was water vapor so they hardly a public health risk"

Water vapour isn't exactly harmless either, it's one of the major GHG.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it interesting that there is lot advertising etc re e cigs and various flavours yet little info on chemicals involved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"Presumably everyone who is in favour of a ban on e-cigs or tobacco is also in favour of a ban on alcohol.

Folk do not die of passive alcohol what a stupid response I assume you are smoker."
no i dont smoke ,you should have looked at our profile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's wrong in my eyes . I am now smoking 0 % nicotine liquid . So basically it its just vapour from a flavoured liquid ! Why should that be not allowed ? Who am I harming ?

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

Smoking is smoking

I get people massaging me when I say I prefer to NOT MEET SMOKERS!

They say I just vape

Well the point I don't like about smokers apart from the stink and the fact that I'd breathe in their Poisons is this

I'm NOT waiting around while you partake in your addiction

Why should I?

So vaping to me is smoking just a potentially unproved version

So I agree

Stop it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get pissed off with non smokers sometimes, because I am all in favour of not smoking in shops pubs etc.Then along comes a product that is not offensive to non smokers plus it gives the smokers a chance to quit,and still people slag it off.Us e cig smokers should be encouraged not discouraged from using them because they are the best thing to come on the market for a smoker to quit.I have been using them for the last 6 months and in that times I have only smoked 6 real ciggies in that time.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

Equally I get pissed off with smokers

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

But I have to day

IF it's proved that it's safe and I do know that vaping actually helps people to give up smoking then obviously of course, then it's a a really great improvement

But for me, vapers are people who smoke something other than cigarettes and I've simply not got the patience to wait for a fuck until they're finished

That's all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I totally support the ban...!!!

me too! Smoking is smoking. Was recently at a pub and the people on the next table were "smoking" and my 1 year old took an instant interest every time they blew out the vapor... I was not amused and asked them to please go outside.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

"I totally support the ban...!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But for me, vapers are people who smoke something other than cigarettes and I've simply not got the patience to wait for a fuck until they're finished

That's all "

I feel exactly the same way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I totally support the ban...!!!

surely people can still get the benefit from it outside with a less harmful impact to them than smoking anyway. So just go outside basically in public.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I totally support the ban...!!!

Or maybe you could have, as they were perfectly within their rights to do it inside.

Did they go or refuse?

Perhaps a better route would be to educate your daughter rather than try to hide her from it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Regardless of "What" you are "smoking" - I don't so ergo I don't want to inhale anything I don't have to.

If you want to - that is fine - your CHOICE. But I haven't chosen too and therefore I don't want to inhale whatever the hell it is that you've just exhaled - be it water vapour or otherwise.

Just because certain ingredients are harmless and in other products does not make them so once you pass it over the element in an e-cig to make it into a vapour you can inhale.

I can think of quite a few very harmless things that when heated you really, really do not want to be around... especially if they happen to be combined with other very harmless things......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Regardless of "What" you are "smoking" - I don't so ergo I don't want to inhale anything I don't have to.

If you want to - that is fine - your CHOICE. But I haven't chosen too and therefore I don't want to inhale whatever the hell it is that you've just exhaled - be it water vapour or otherwise.

Just because certain ingredients are harmless and in other products does not make them so once you pass it over the element in an e-cig to make it into a vapour you can inhale.

I can think of quite a few very harmless things that when heated you really, really do not want to be around... especially if they happen to be combined with other very harmless things......"

Not smoking. If it was smoking it would be covered by the current smoking ban. It covers tobacco, of which there is none en e cigs. Incidentally there is also no smoke.

Call it what you want, but it's not smoking, either practically or under the law.

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By *uperock99Man
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

Once they ban e cigs they will move onto another ban of something else, never ending rules.

What about drinking? That's unsocialble, it will get rid of d*unks on our streets over the weekend, d*unk drivers etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Regardless of "What" you are "smoking" - I don't so ergo I don't want to inhale anything I don't have to.

If you want to - that is fine - your CHOICE. But I haven't chosen too and therefore I don't want to inhale whatever the hell it is that you've just exhaled - be it water vapour or otherwise.

Just because certain ingredients are harmless and in other products does not make them so once you pass it over the element in an e-cig to make it into a vapour you can inhale.

I can think of quite a few very harmless things that when heated you really, really do not want to be around... especially if they happen to be combined with other very harmless things......"

Also yes you are free to choose to not be around it. But if the person vaping is within their rights to be where they are, you don't have the right to tell them to move. But you are free to move yourself.

Don't forget the person vaping also has the right not to be around smokers and traffic fumes.

Just so I'm clear, if I visit someone's house I always check first and respect their wishes. I'm hardly a vaping rights activist. But in public places if I'm obeying the law, my rights are protected as much as yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I totally support the ban...!!!

Or maybe you could have, as they were perfectly within their rights to do it inside.

Did they go or refuse?

Perhaps a better route would be to educate your daughter rather than try to hide her from it."

she will have a very good education about it as she's lost both great grandfathers to smoking induced lung cancer. But she also needs to know that it's quite an anti social behavior these days, and they aren't toys, but potentially quite harmful. She's 1 year old, theres not a lot she will understand about it at the moment, other than whether it's socially acceptable or not. And I view it as not. My brothers smoke them, and I also tell them to do it elsewhere around her.

You could also argue that smoking bans are also ignorance, not needed, and people should be better educated?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think I will start a crusade to ban alcoholics, they are more anti-social than smoking, they break up families,cause fights in pubs and outside them.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

"I think I will start a crusade to ban alcoholics, they are more anti-social than smoking, they break up families,cause fights in pubs and outside them. "

Obviously this is true

But alcoholics fumes dont fill other people's lungs with toxic poisons like benzine now do they?

Oh yes that's smokers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd still rather not ingest second hand vapour or smoke.

I personally support anyone giving up cigarettes, and these seem a great aid to those trying to do so.

BUT

Pubs etc. these days have a much fresher atmosphere than before and I object to the plumes of vapour now obscuring, scenting and polluting the air.

There may just be a lot of anecdotal evidence; I'd prefer more scientific trials; but in the meantime you can go take those pipes outside thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everybody should be screened for communicable airborne diseases before going out in public to satisfy the paranoid idiots out there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was someone puffing away on one in the restaurant we were in over the weekend.

It made me think back to the days when the smoking ban hadn't been enforced and quite honestly it made me feel very queazy. Thankfully we were just having a drink at the bar and made a swift exit.

I agree with the ban

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There may just be a lot of anecdotal evidence; I'd prefer more scientific trials; but in the meantime you can go take those pipes outside thank you

Or alternatively you could just leave.

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

"I find it interesting that there is lot advertising etc re e cigs and various flavours yet little info on chemicals involved."

There are only 4 ingredients.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There may just be a lot of anecdotal evidence; I'd prefer more scientific trials; but in the meantime you can go take those pipes outside thank you

Or alternatively you could just leave."

But why should I have to put up with someone blowing smoke/ vapour over me and my family ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There may just be a lot of anecdotal evidence; I'd prefer more scientific trials; but in the meantime you can go take those pipes outside thank you

Or alternatively you could just leave."

Why should someones behaviour force someone else to leave?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There may just be a lot of anecdotal evidence; I'd prefer more scientific trials; but in the meantime you can go take those pipes outside thank you

Or alternatively you could just leave.

But why should I have to put up with someone blowing smoke/ vapour over me and my family ?

That's the point I'm making. You have the choice of whether to stay around it or not just as they have a right to vape or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There may just be a lot of anecdotal evidence; I'd prefer more scientific trials; but in the meantime you can go take those pipes outside thank you

Or alternatively you could just leave.

Why should someones behaviour force someone else to leave?"

They are breaking no laws so by the same token why should someone who vapes have to leave because someone else doesn't like it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There may just be a lot of anecdotal evidence; I'd prefer more scientific trials; but in the meantime you can go take those pipes outside thank you

Or alternatively you could just leave.

Why should someones behaviour force someone else to leave?

They are breaking no laws so by the same token why should someone who vapes have to leave because someone else doesn't like it?"

Because forcing someone else to leave a place through your own behaviour is basically being an anti-social dick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No its not ott there has not been enough testing done to prove they are safe. Imagine this lets suppose someone becomes ill and not saying would happen it could be linked to e cigs then the industry would have serious issues with lots putting claims on ie passive smoking as happened with cancer sticks.

No one knows what chemicals are actually used in e cigs folk are falling for the flavours and not thinking it through.

Safety first as until proven by experts and clear labelling as to chemicals used which lets face it could be carcogenic.

Folk think its cool like a fashion accessory its ridiculous.

Despite what folk think its banned in government buildings etc because they could be open in time to litigation and if folk cannot cope without a ciggie for while whilst indoors it says a lot really.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

West Midlands

No one knows what chemicals are actually used in e cigs folk are falling for the flavours and not thinking it through.

Safety first as until proven by experts and clear labelling as to chemicals used which lets face it could be carcogenic.

Folk think its cool like a fashion accessory its ridiculous.

Despite what folk think its banned in government buildings etc because they could be open in time to litigation and if folk cannot cope without a ciggie for while whilst indoors it says a lot really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There may just be a lot of anecdotal evidence; I'd prefer more scientific trials; but in the meantime you can go take those pipes outside thank you

Or alternatively you could just leave.

Why should someones behaviour force someone else to leave?

They are breaking no laws so by the same token why should someone who vapes have to leave because someone else doesn't like it?

Because forcing someone else to leave a place through your own behaviour is basically being an anti-social dick."

As is taking the moral high ground and forcing a vaper to leave when there's no evidence to suggest it's anymore harmful than breathing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As is taking the moral high ground and forcing a vaper to leave when there's no evidence to suggest it's anymore harmful than breathing."

The difference is that no one is forcing the vaper to leave. They're saying 'could you do it outside and then come back in please?'.

The chemical scents make me feel queasy. I do not like sitting near them. If someone vapes near me I have to move. That has meant leaving dinner half way through without finishing before - just because someone can't spend an hour indoors without sucking on scented nicotine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm for this, as people do it not to quit just to be lazy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As is taking the moral high ground and forcing a vaper to leave when there's no evidence to suggest it's anymore harmful than breathing.

The difference is that no one is forcing the vaper to leave. They're saying 'could you do it outside and then come back in please?'.

I don't believe anyone should vape where people are eating out of common courtesy but I don't see why Vapers should be forced to leave bars or pubs. The way I see it is if you are going to have your kids around alcohol then accept people are going to be vaping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As is taking the moral high ground and forcing a vaper to leave when there's no evidence to suggest it's anymore harmful than breathing.

The difference is that no one is forcing the vaper to leave. They're saying 'could you do it outside and then come back in please?'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As is taking the moral high ground and forcing a vaper to leave when there's no evidence to suggest it's anymore harmful than breathing.

The difference is that no one is forcing the vaper to leave. They're saying 'could you do it outside and then come back in please?'.

When you breath normally... does it smell of all kinds of weird chemically concoctions and come out in a puff of steam? Cause if it does, I'd get a doctor to take a look at that...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm for this, as people do it not to quit just to be lazy. "
yeah right mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about adults who don't get on with the chemical scents though? Should they have to stay home because you insist on putting the vape steam into their air?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As is taking the moral high ground and forcing a vaper to leave when there's no evidence to suggest it's anymore harmful than breathing.

The difference is that no one is forcing the vaper to leave. They're saying 'could you do it outside and then come back in please?'.

It's basically steam. If it's that dangerous I best go outside to boil a kettle to make tea and coffee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As is taking the moral high ground and forcing a vaper to leave when there's no evidence to suggest it's anymore harmful than breathing.

The difference is that no one is forcing the vaper to leave. They're saying 'could you do it outside and then come back in please?'.

When you breath normally... does it smell of all kinds of weird chemically concoctions and come out in a puff of steam? Cause if it does, I'd get a doctor to take a look at that..."
oh it's the puff of steam that offends ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As is taking the moral high ground and forcing a vaper to leave when there's no evidence to suggest it's anymore harmful than breathing.

The difference is that no one is forcing the vaper to leave. They're saying 'could you do it outside and then come back in please?'.

It's basically steam. If it's that dangerous I best go outside to boil a kettle to make tea and coffee."
yeah don't make flavoured tea. For god sake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As is taking the moral high ground and forcing a vaper to leave when there's no evidence to suggest it's anymore harmful than breathing.

The difference is that no one is forcing the vaper to leave. They're saying 'could you do it outside and then come back in please?'.

When you breath normally... does it smell of all kinds of weird chemically concoctions and come out in a puff of steam? Cause if it does, I'd get a doctor to take a look at that... oh it's the puff of steam that offends ?"

You seem to be repeatedly ignoring the bit about the smell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about adults who don't get on with the chemical scents though? Should they have to stay home because you insist on putting the vape steam into their air?"

Get on with scents? Not every person in a bar smokes. You could ask kindly if they'd mind moving or indeed move yourself. I'm sure there's worse smells in a bar than vape.

I don't smoke or vape by the way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about adults who don't get on with the chemical scents though? Should they have to stay home because you insist on putting the vape steam into their air?

Get on with scents? Not every person in a bar smokes. You could ask kindly if they'd mind moving or indeed move yourself. I'm sure there's worse smells in a bar than vape.

I don't smoke or vape by the way."

As I said above, I've left before due to the smell.

But if you ask a vaper to move outside to vape then you're likely to get a torrent of abuse about how it's 'just scented steam'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh sorry. I vape spearmint. Yeah disgusting smell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The children and alcohol thing doesn't really hold up. As in most public houses under 14's aren't allowed at the bar. So exposure is limited.

In restaurants, offices, enclosed public transportation it is a no contest the restriction makes sense.

If your on 0% why do it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As is taking the moral high ground and forcing a vaper to leave when there's no evidence to suggest it's anymore harmful than breathing.

The difference is that no one is forcing the vaper to leave. They're saying 'could you do it outside and then come back in please?'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about adults who don't get on with the chemical scents though? Should they have to stay home because you insist on putting the vape steam into their air?

Get on with scents? Not every person in a bar smokes. You could ask kindly if they'd mind moving or indeed move yourself. I'm sure there's worse smells in a bar than vape.

I don't smoke or vape by the way.

As I said above, I've left before due to the smell.

But if you ask a vaper to move outside to vape then you're likely to get a torrent of abuse about how it's 'just scented steam'."

You don't like the smell?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh sorry. I vape spearmint. Yeah disgusting smell

Don't get me wrong, I love the smell of mint.

But what comes out of those vape cigarettes? That's chemical. Not natural smell. It doesn't smell anything like a real mint plant, it smells of chemicals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't like the smell?

I have allergies to some chemicals that are used to produce fake scents - if someone sprays Lynx in the room I have to leave or I feel so nauseous I can't do anything anyway.

Some vape scents have the same effect to me (and many others). They make the environment impossible to stay in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The children and alcohol thing doesn't really hold up. As in most public houses under 14's aren't allowed at the bar. So exposure is limited.

In restaurants, offices, enclosed public transportation it is a no contest the restriction makes sense.

If your on 0% why do it? "

Most of the pubs around me allow kids.

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over a year ago

You don't like the smell?

I have allergies to some chemicals that are used to produce fake scents - if someone sprays Lynx in the room I have to leave or I feel so nauseous I can't do anything anyway.

Some vape scents have the same effect to me (and many others). They make the environment impossible to stay in."

My Ex was like that with spray on's. I'm sure if you told someone you were allergic they would have enough respect to vape elsewhere.

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over a year ago

"Oh sorry. I vape spearmint. Yeah disgusting smell

Don't get me wrong, I love the smell of mint.

But what comes out of those vape cigarettes? That's chemical. Not natural smell. It doesn't smell anything like a real mint plant, it smells of chemicals."
most vapours sit in a corner in a pub and vape discreetly even though it is mostly allowed. I would never sit Vaping if I thought it was upsetting someone

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over a year ago

My Ex was like that with spray on's. I'm sure if you told someone you were allergic they would have enough respect to vape elsewhere."

How about... people who want to make the air smell of chemicals just do it outside... and then other people don't have to discuss their medical history with strangers?

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over a year ago

My Ex was like that with spray on's. I'm sure if you told someone you were allergic they would have enough respect to vape elsewhere.

How about... people who want to make the air smell of chemicals just do it outside... and then other people don't have to discuss their medical history with strangers?"

Don't think we'll ever agree on this one. Some people are allergic to perfume but I doubt they'd expect everyone wearing it to go outside.

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over a year ago

My Ex was like that with spray on's. I'm sure if you told someone you were allergic they would have enough respect to vape elsewhere.

How about... people who want to make the air smell of chemicals just do it outside... and then other people don't have to discuss their medical history with strangers?

Don't think we'll ever agree on this one. Some people are allergic to perfume but I doubt they'd expect everyone wearing it to go outside."

No, I don't expect people wearing perfume to leave. However I do leave myself if someone comes in wearing alot of it.

But vaping seems to affect a much larger area. And heavy perfume wearing is certainly on the decrease, while vaping is on the increase.

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over a year ago

My Ex was like that with spray on's. I'm sure if you told someone you were allergic they would have enough respect to vape elsewhere.

How about... people who want to make the air smell of chemicals just do it outside... and then other people don't have to discuss their medical history with strangers?

Don't think we'll ever agree on this one. Some people are allergic to perfume but I doubt they'd expect everyone wearing it to go outside.

No, I don't expect people wearing perfume to leave. However I do leave myself if someone comes in wearing alot of it.

But vaping seems to affect a much larger area. And heavy perfume wearing is certainly on the decrease, while vaping is on the increase."

Increased vaping means less actual smokers and cleaner air. Ever cloud and all that.

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over a year ago

My Ex was like that with spray on's. I'm sure if you told someone you were allergic they would have enough respect to vape elsewhere.

How about... people who want to make the air smell of chemicals just do it outside... and then other people don't have to discuss their medical history with strangers?

Don't think we'll ever agree on this one. Some people are allergic to perfume but I doubt they'd expect everyone wearing it to go outside.

No, I don't expect people wearing perfume to leave. However I do leave myself if someone comes in wearing alot of it.

But vaping seems to affect a much larger area. And heavy perfume wearing is certainly on the decrease, while vaping is on the increase.

Increased vaping means less actual smokers and cleaner air. Ever cloud and all that."

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By *irtyandfilthy2014Couple
over a year ago

under the apple tree

I, mrs, prefer to go outside to vape when im at a pub etc. But i don't want to be around smokers, so would us vapers get a seperate outdoor area to use if the ban did come in?

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I've never smoked mine indoors in a public place, I didnt use to with fags so it makes no difference to me.

Everywhere I buy liquids already dont sell to Under 18's.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"split opinions..... what do you think"

I don't live in Wales so *shrug*.

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over a year ago

"Presumably everyone who is in favour of a ban on e-cigs or tobacco is also in favour of a ban on alcohol.

Folk do not die of passive alcohol what a stupid response I assume you are smoker."

I am not a smoker but I like a drink and my response is not stupid if you think about it. The reason I asked is because in my opinion alcohol causes more damage to society at large.

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over a year ago

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

"the welsh assembly have push ahead on a ban on the use of e-cigs in public places.... basically the same ban as on normal cigs....

The new tobacco and e-cigarette measures will mean:

Shops will have to join a register for retailers of tobacco and e-cigarettes - aimed at stopping illegal sales to under-18s

It will be an offence to "hand over" tobacco and e-cigarettes to children - and this will include online sales

A restricted use of e-cigarettes, banning them in enclosed public spaces and workplaces - this will include lorries and taxis

split opinions..... what do you think"

Will they also be banning the use of smoke machines too? The liquid in e cigs is made of the same stuff as smoke machines used in entertainment, so if they ban e cigs they should be banned too

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over a year ago

Instead of looking at people who vape as lepors

Look at them as someone who have had a nasty disgusting habit for most of there life. And are trying to do something less harmful

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Stars in your eyes will be even shitter then with no smoke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stars in your eyes will be even shitter then with no smoke"
will smell better. Bubblegum steam is nice

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over a year ago

As an ex smoker I just feel your swapping one bad habit with another. I have a few colleagues who vape and they seem to do it more than when they smoked.

So if it's just harmless water vapour couldn't you just give up using it? I doubt it because there has to be an addictive element to it!

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By *andeCouple
over a year ago

Bognor area

Surely the skull and crossbones on the packets would suggest that they are maybe not just steam?

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over a year ago

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"Presumably everyone who is in favour of a ban on e-cigs or tobacco is also in favour of a ban on alcohol.

Folk do not die of passive alcohol what a stupid response I assume you are smoker."

Many people die each year form passive alcohol.

What do you think those killed and maimed by d*unk drivers have died of?

The effects of alcohol consumed by a third party!

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over a year ago

"Presumably everyone who is in favour of a ban on e-cigs or tobacco is also in favour of a ban on alcohol.

Folk do not die of passive alcohol what a stupid response I assume you are smoker.

Many people die each year form passive alcohol.

What do you think those killed and maimed by d*unk drivers have died of?

The effects of alcohol consumed by a third party!

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By *rc83Man
over a year ago

warrington

I'm an ex ciggie smoker and use an ecig. I don't and will not use it around people who don't smoke or use them. It's called common courtesy.

But in the other side of this, are the government just trying to push through laws and legislations on them because they have lost so much money from when the smoking ban came in.

All you have to do is look at when the smoking ban came j to effect and see that the price of everything that the government put a high tax on went up drastically. Fuel and alcohol are 2 examples.

But as a whole a lot of people who use the vapes are doing so for a good reason, don't tarnish everyone of us wth the same brush.

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over a year ago

"Instead of looking at people who vape as lepors

Look at them as someone who have had a nasty disgusting habit for most of there life. And are trying to do something less harmful "

Except it's now become fashionable to take up vaping when you're never smoked.

So you've got people taking up a habit which we don't know the dangers of yet. Because they think it looks cool.

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over a year ago

I use nicotine free oils ?

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over a year ago

Recently gave up smoking after first moving on to vaping and then stopping altogether. Was it the ecig that helped? Maybe and if so we need to stop demonising them and do the research need to establish their safe. I don't know seems like the high street will have a few more empty shops once again and pubs will end up losing those people who had only just started returning. That's ok though as mean 1 yr olds will be able to stare in delight at people drinking pints instead of vapers.

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By *rc83Man
over a year ago

warrington

"Recently gave up smoking after first moving on to vaping and then stopping altogether. Was it the ecig that helped? Maybe and if so we need to stop demonising them and do the research need to establish their safe. I don't know seems like the high street will have a few more empty shops once again and pubs will end up losing those people who had only just started returning. That's ok though as mean 1 yr olds will be able to stare in delight at people drinking pints instead of vapers. "

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over a year ago

"Instead of looking at people who vape as lepors

Look at them as someone who have had a nasty disgusting habit for most of there life. And are trying to do something less harmful

Except it's now become fashionable to take up vaping when you're never smoked.

So you've got people taking up a habit which we don't know the dangers of yet. Because they think it looks cool."

This is just rubbish - where did you get the evidence for this?

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over a year ago

"Instead of looking at people who vape as lepors

Look at them as someone who have had a nasty disgusting habit for most of there life. And are trying to do something less harmful

Except it's now become fashionable to take up vaping when you're never smoked.

So you've got people taking up a habit which we don't know the dangers of yet. Because they think it looks cool.

This is just rubbish - where did you get the evidence for this? "

Some of my friends kids, and one of my friends.

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over a year ago

"Instead of looking at people who vape as lepors

Look at them as someone who have had a nasty disgusting habit for most of there life. And are trying to do something less harmful

Except it's now become fashionable to take up vaping when you're never smoked.

So you've got people taking up a habit which we don't know the dangers of yet. Because they think it looks cool.

This is just rubbish - where did you get the evidence for this?

Some of my friends kids, and one of my friends.

So just a few of the many people you probably know. You're scaremongering and possibly putting at risk people's efforts to eventually give up. Do you always discriminate against people's life choices because you disapprove?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Until there is any real evidence that they do any harm, any move to ban them is quite simply illegal. They are not tobacco products and therefore cannot fall under tobacco laws. Typical Labour bullying tactics.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Ok, so much ignorance and tripe spouted here.

Firstly, let's define terms. It's not smoking as there's no smoke, no combustion products, none of the carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons found in all smoke from organic material, whether it be tobacco or lettuce. It is vaping. You may consider it to be smoking, but you'd be wrong.

No-one is suggesting it's good for you, just that it's a whole lot less bad.

Studies thus far show that the uptake by non smokers and minors is negligible - sure some will try it, a few more might become habitual users, but they're the ones who will also try smoking.

The liquid ingredients are known and tightly controlled if you use reputable suppliers - I would welcome more regulation in this area.

The chief ingredients are either propylene glycol and or vegetable glycerin, with some nicotine and flavourings.

Propylene glycol is used as an anti-freeze, it's also in mouthwash and used as a humectant in dried food, it is considered a safe chemical. It is also used in the fake dry ice you get at gigs or in the theatre - so there's your test group right there - people who work in those environments night after night - the stuff in e-cigs is pharmaceutical grade, the stuff in dry ice is only industrial grade.

As a smoking cessation aid there is massive anecdotal and empirical evidence to show that it is far more effective than any other method.

Personally, it enabled me to quit a 35 year 40 a day rollup habit - I've had literally 2 or 3 cigarettes in the last 4 years, and none for over 2 years. As far as I'm concerned they are a godsend. Fitness levels have improved tremendously and sense of smell has improved.

So yes, I do get that people don't want to be surrounded by smoke or vapour, and I've been expecting the ban for a while, now that e-cigs are well and truly on the radar.

Other countries will follow suit, it's inevitable, but thankfully, whilst I still vape, I can abstain comfortably for extended periods in a way that I was never able to do with smoking. In a way, I welcome the ban, as it will force me to cut down on my vaping.

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over a year ago

"Instead of looking at people who vape as lepors

Look at them as someone who have had a nasty disgusting habit for most of there life. And are trying to do something less harmful

Except it's now become fashionable to take up vaping when you're never smoked.

So you've got people taking up a habit which we don't know the dangers of yet. Because they think it looks cool.

This is just rubbish - where did you get the evidence for this?

Some of my friends kids, and one of my friends.

I just said it's becoming fashionable to take it up - which I think could potentially be a problem if it spreads and becomes more mainstream. I didn't say anything to discriminate against other peoples life choices. Just that I was frustrated that some people are taking up vapeing because it's fashionable.

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over a year ago

"Ok, so much ignorance and tripe spouted here.

No-one is suggesting it's good for you, just that it's a whole lot less bad.

Studies thus far show that the uptake by non smokers and minors is negligible - sure some will try it, a few more might become habitual users, but they're the ones who will also try smoking.

The liquid ingredients are known and tightly controlled if you use reputable suppliers - I would welcome more regulation in this area.

The chief ingredients are either propylene glycol and or vegetable glycerin, with some nicotine and flavourings.

As a smoking cessation aid there is massive anecdotal and empirical evidence to show that it is far more effective than any other method.

So yes, I do get that people don't want to be surrounded by smoke or vapour, and I've been expecting the ban for a while, now that e-cigs are well and truly on the radar.

I think one of the main parts of your post that is a worry is the reputable suppliers, rather a lot of shop keepers don't care where their stock comes from and who they sell to, this is evident when you see school children smoking or drinking. Another thing if you don't mind me asking is, since you stopped smoking have you been vaping?

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By *ediceTV/TS
over a year ago

Wrexham

Good grief, what a sad and sterile world we're heading towards.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Yes, I vape as a substitute, not perfect but much better than smoking.

As I said above, I'd welcome more regulation quality wise - I only buy from reputable suppliers.

I agree that e-cigs should not be sold to minors.

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By *uperock99Man
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

What if someone farts in a restaurant would one leave their table cause of the bad smell they produced

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over a year ago

"Until there is any real evidence that they do any harm, any move to ban them is quite simply illegal. They are not tobacco products and therefore cannot fall under tobacco laws. Typical Labour bullying tactics.

Whats Labour got to do with it?

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By *hocolate007Man
over a year ago

london

"It's a terrible idea. Why penalise those who have/are trying to quit.

I'm sure big tobacco companies have had some influence here.

For those questioning their safety, the main ingredients are safe for human consumption, and are found in ice cream, and other food stuffs. The question that remains is whether baling is safe.

But considering the alternative of smoking they are far far safer.

Finally, studies on mice have shown that those breathing in the vapour as well as being exposed to a virus showed a lower infection rate than those breathing just air."

could you expantiate on two things pls, 1 - the constituents of the e cigarette vapour that you reckon is safe for human consumption and 2 - the virus that the mice were exposed to while inhaling yhe e-cigarette vapour. Specify pls

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

They got rid of fags at eaton.

Next it will be gays at the BBC.

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over a year ago

I don't really like the vapour things. I see people puffing away none stop on them on trains/in the office. It's not fair really.

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over a year ago

"Presumably everyone who is in favour of a ban on e-cigs or tobacco is also in favour of a ban on alcohol.

Folk do not die of passive alcohol what a stupid response I assume you are smoker."

Really? D*unk drivers, d*unks starting fights, or d*unks burning down their terraced house or flat with their neighbours in trying to cook etc.

Anyway the smell of e cigs annoys me but there isn't really much health merit to this law it's just the Welsh assembly trying to be important and relevant yet again.

Like the tax on bags which weirdly includes biodegradable paper bags..

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over a year ago

"It's a terrible idea. Why penalise those who have/are trying to quit.

I'm sure big tobacco companies have had some influence here.

For those questioning their safety, the main ingredients are safe for human consumption, and are found in ice cream, and other food stuffs. The question that remains is whether baling is safe.

But considering the alternative of smoking they are far far safer.

Finally, studies on mice have shown that those breathing in the vapour as well as being exposed to a virus showed a lower infection rate than those breathing just air."

Just to point out mice are only a useful analogue for humans for some specific brain related things (weird huh not the organ you were expecting I bet) for everything else they react so differently they're basically useless as a comparison.

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over a year ago

I think it's stupid to ban e-cigarettes. They don't produce smoke, don't smell and are not harmful to people around them, so second hand smoke is not an issue.

People who don't smoke and have an issue with e-cigarettes just need to get off their high horse over the matter.

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over a year ago

"It's a terrible idea. Why penalise those who have/are trying to quit.

I'm sure big tobacco companies have had some influence here.

For those questioning their safety, the main ingredients are safe for human consumption, and are found in ice cream, and other food stuffs. The question that remains is whether baling is safe.

But considering the alternative of smoking they are far far safer.

Finally, studies on mice have shown that those breathing in the vapour as well as being exposed to a virus showed a lower infection rate than those breathing just air.

I was referring to the PG, propylene glycol, it's found in several foods and medicines and air sanitisers.

http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/jam.2007.0626

Study on its use as a delivery method for patients with respiratory complaints.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng0321.html

Us govt information on pg, note the lack of hazard next to inhalation.

http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_08ea/0901b803808eabba.pdf?filepath=productsafety/pdfs/noreg/233-00248.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

Information on pg and it's uses. Industrial grade though, couldn't find pharma grade.

Couldn't see the study on mice easily, I'll have a proper look when on laptop not phone.

There is more available, pg is a highly used chemical, the fact people are only concerned about it for e cigs and not about any of the other ways they have consumed it really highlights the fact this is just ill informed hysteria.

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over a year ago

"It's a terrible idea. Why penalise those who have/are trying to quit.

I'm sure big tobacco companies have had some influence here.

For those questioning their safety, the main ingredients are safe for human consumption, and are found in ice cream, and other food stuffs. The question that remains is whether baling is safe.

But considering the alternative of smoking they are far far safer.

Finally, studies on mice have shown that those breathing in the vapour as well as being exposed to a virus showed a lower infection rate than those breathing just air.

I was referring to the PG, propylene glycol, it's found in several foods and medicines and air sanitisers.

http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/jam.2007.0626

Study on its use as a delivery method for patients with respiratory complaints.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng0321.html

Us govt information on pg, note the lack of hazard next to inhalation.

http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_08ea/0901b803808eabba.pdf?filepath=productsafety/pdfs/noreg/233-00248.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

Information on pg and it's uses. Industrial grade though, couldn't find pharma grade.

Couldn't see the study on mice easily, I'll have a proper look when on laptop not phone.

Is it ill informed hysteria? I mean once apon a time people thought asbestos was safe for years until it was linked to cancer. I think the problem people don't often think of is some chemicals are safe but mixed together or/and turned into a vapour could be dangerous over time but then again could be safe. Maybe what needs to be done is possible health warnings and the oils/liquids regulated like normal cigarettes to stop unscrupulous shopkeepers selling dodgy gear which could be dangerous.

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By *unkysoulWoman
over a year ago

Mitcham, Surrey

"Good grief, what a sad and sterile world we're heading towards.

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over a year ago

"It's a terrible idea. Why penalise those who have/are trying to quit.

I'm sure big tobacco companies have had some influence here.

For those questioning their safety, the main ingredients are safe for human consumption, and are found in ice cream, and other food stuffs. The question that remains is whether baling is safe.

But considering the alternative of smoking they are far far safer.

Finally, studies on mice have shown that those breathing in the vapour as well as being exposed to a virus showed a lower infection rate than those breathing just air.

I was referring to the PG, propylene glycol, it's found in several foods and medicines and air sanitisers.

http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/jam.2007.0626

Study on its use as a delivery method for patients with respiratory complaints.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng0321.html

Us govt information on pg, note the lack of hazard next to inhalation.

http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_08ea/0901b803808eabba.pdf?filepath=productsafety/pdfs/noreg/233-00248.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

Information on pg and it's uses. Industrial grade though, couldn't find pharma grade.

Couldn't see the study on mice easily, I'll have a proper look when on laptop not phone.

I agree with both points, regulation is a good idea to prevent dangerous chemicals getting into the supply. Ban sales to minors(should be a given), and maybe a bit of tax to keep the govt happy.

But banning them in public places is counterproductive. As an alternative to tobacco they should be encouraged, there may be doubts about their content in some cases, and may always be those who despise them. But there is no doubt that they are significantly less harmful than tobacco smoke.

Until then a little bit of research to inform yourself on what you are buying will be more than adequate for most users.

Or if you're really paranoid, buy the raw ingredients and make your own, it's much cheaper too.

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over a year ago

Good God if people think ecigs have dangerous untested chemicals in them, I really think they should look at the ingredients in the shit they buy from tesco a little bit harder!.

If your worried about cancer or heart attacks, start with your bad genetics, then diet and exercise work your way down through where you live and work and household products, perfume, skin products how much sun your exposed too.... And finally right at the bottom you might find ecigs..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I remember when Skol bandits were all the rage and deemed safe too, anyone else ?

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over a year ago

"I remember when Skol bandits were all the rage and deemed safe too, anyone else ?"
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Skol bandits?.. bandits that are pissed up on skol are rarely safe!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whats Labour got to do with it?"

The Welsh Assembley (their 'parliament') is Labour. Come on, keep up

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over a year ago

We have teenage sons ,who whilst at school,had mates who started using e-cigs.They didn't even smoke to begin with,just thought it was 'cool' to be seen with one . . ?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

That's the most important point to me - despite the fact that it is considered 'unproven' as an aid in cessation, many, many people seem to have been successful in getting OFF smoking tobacco, even if they are not entirely off nicotine, and for that reason alone I think their use must be strongly supported. Millions of people's lives could be saved by them.

After a survey of PubMed abstracts the consensus seems to me to be that whilst further data is required on long term safety and indoor air quality, it is unquestionably beneficial for smokers to switch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair it's beneficial to drive an electric car but people won't. The fact is smokers will smoke some will give up (like me) and some will switch. Some non smokers (like me) know how difficult it is being a smoker and won't bat en eyelid then there are others who don't smoke have never smoked and think it's disgusting. What's often forgotten is how much duty there are of cigarettes and how much smokers actually contribute to the tax pot.

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over a year ago

Oh and further to someone's post about people getting killed by d*unk drivers spare a thought to the people who get killed because a driver dropped their fag. I know I nearly did it when I smoked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whats Labour got to do with it?

The Welsh Assembley (their 'parliament') is Labour. Come on, keep up

Do you remember the salmonella poisoning scaremongering of the 90's? I don't recall that being a labour thing unless I'm confused that was Edwina currie and John major!

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Have non smokers just got the hump cos smokers have discovered a way to recieve their nicotine in a getting around the smoking ban type way?

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over a year ago

"Have non smokers just got the hump cos smokers have discovered a way to recieve their nicotine in a getting around the smoking ban type way? "

Nope its not just nicotine in e cigs its the unknown chemicals that vary so much which is and should concern smokers then again for years smokers have known risk of damage caused by smoking so doubt they are wortied about chemicals and possible future impact on others around them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have non smokers just got the hump cos smokers have discovered a way to recieve their nicotine in a getting around the smoking ban type way?

Wow, whatever chemical you're talking about is so potent it's dissolved your punctuation.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Im still going to smoke mine in my office.

I will continue to not smoke mine in the pub (for eg)

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

One of the major manufacturers of e-cigs is Imperial Tobacco, so yeah, there should be some kind of licensing.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

The only reason they got involved was because they started loosing money.

They began by buying up existing e-cig companies

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby

the carcinogens in real cicarettes a mixed bag there, but I wonder how many People Includeing true smokers knew That There was a minute amount of arsenic in Cicarettes over time that minute amount I,m sure would build up over time so along with nicotine quite a heavy Combination of chemicals there in large Amounts..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched two school kids (a boy & a girl) walking along & puffing away the other day.

Surely that can't be right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I watched two school kids (a boy & a girl) walking along & puffing away the other day.

Surely that can't be right?"

Depends on 2 factors, perhaps they already smoked and were quitting. Perhaps even their parents bought them for them to help.

Secondly how do you know their was nicotine in there?

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By *hocolate007Man
over a year ago

london

"Presumably everyone who is in favour of a ban on e-cigs or tobacco is also in favour of a ban on alcohol.

Folk do not die of passive alcohol what a stupid response I assume you are smoker.

Really? D*unk drivers, d*unks starting fights, or d*unks burning down their terraced house or flat with their neighbours in trying to cook etc.

Anyway the smell of e cigs annoys me but there isn't really much health merit to this law it's just the Welsh assembly trying to be important and relevant yet again.

Like the tax on bags which weirdly includes biodegradable paper bags.."

yh the tax on carrier bags is a weird one in wales, i was there few weeks ago buying stuff from the corner shop and was shocked i had to pay for a carrier bag . Really strange

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"Have non smokers just got the hump cos smokers have discovered a way to recieve their nicotine in a getting around the smoking ban type way? "

That is a huge part of it I'm sure, as the objections bear no logical scrutiny.

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By *ackdd72Man
over a year ago

the valleys

As an ex smoker who gave up using an ecig I think it's a bad move but they have to get their taxes somewhere I'd love to see the price of booze go up by at least a pound a pint to discourage drinking and bring a ban in on supermarkets selling alcohol and cigarettes but you have to remember who is lining the governments pockets at the end of the day so it won't happen at least our prescriptions are still free at the mo

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By *inkylouiseWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

We are smokers however I do agree on the ban simply because I have tried the e cigs unfortunately it played havoc with my chest I stopped problem went so for some it can have adverse reactions also my daughter went to London and although of age to buy cigs has never smoked but came back with one!!! Also when I did vape out of curtsey I did not vape in a restaurant shop public transport but I did in pubs simply because I think it give out the wrong signals to youngsters and out of respect for others around me

although I think it's a good idea if they work for you to stop I don't think the idea is to constantly have it attached to your lips so by all means vape but still protect the youth and have respect for others

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I watched two school kids (a boy & a girl) walking along & puffing away the other day.

Surely that can't be right?"

I heard one young girl say she took it up (with 0% liquid) as a diet aid!

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By *av1970Man
over a year ago

Tattershall

Don't know about the ban being a good or bad thing...i have noticed more and more e-cigs being used though. what was once an assist to giving up has become a fashion accessory and the latest trend in itself...so now more are getting hooked on nicotine.

Ooh here's a conspiracy...e-cigs were released by the tobacco companies to bolster sales and get people back into the habit of 'smoking' and nicotine addiction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have non smokers just got the hump cos smokers have discovered a way to recieve their nicotine in a getting around the smoking ban type way?

That is a huge part of it I'm sure, as the objections bear no logical scrutiny."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One of the major manufacturers of e-cigs is Imperial Tobacco, so yeah, there should be some kind of licensing. "

who did you really expect to be making them?

given that you need to extract the nicotine from tobacco anyway, tobacco companies were always going to be involved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Presumably everyone who is in favour of a ban on e-cigs or tobacco is also in favour of a ban on alcohol.

Folk do not die of passive alcohol what a stupid response I assume you are smoker.

Really? D*unk drivers, d*unks starting fights, or d*unks burning down their terraced house or flat with their neighbours in trying to cook etc.

Anyway the smell of e cigs annoys me but there isn't really much health merit to this law it's just the Welsh assembly trying to be important and relevant yet again.

Like the tax on bags which weirdly includes biodegradable paper bags..

yh the tax on carrier bags is a weird one in wales, i was there few weeks ago buying stuff from the corner shop and was shocked i had to pay for a carrier bag . Really strange"

you have to pay for a bag at mcdonalds too lol, even the drive through.

to get around it they hand you everything individually with the chips in thier own seperate bag (which isnt charged for)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nought wrong with nicotine. It's a truly great stimulant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the carcinogens in real cicarettes a mixed bag there, but I wonder how many People Includeing true smokers knew That There was a minute amount of arsenic in Cicarettes over time that minute amount I,m sure would build up over time so along with nicotine quite a heavy Combination of chemicals there in large Amounts..

its not just the chemicals in the cigarettes that are a cancer risk your body changes the type of cells that line your airways to cope with the smoke, now whenever you make your body do major rework like that there is a chance for mistakes to occur the most common mistake your body making in that situation is a broken cancerous cell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does that include body building?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One of the major manufacturers of e-cigs is Imperial Tobacco, so yeah, there should be some kind of licensing.

who did you really expect to be making them?

given that you need to extract the nicotine from tobacco anyway, tobacco companies were always going to be involved."

The nicotine is extracted mostly from aubergines - I kid you not, so having a vape can count as one of your healthy 5 a day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nicotine is also found in cauliflower, potatoes and tomatoes so if you've ever eaten any of these, according to some of the ignorant dumb-arsed theories on here, you're a smoker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But alcoholics fumes dont fill other people's lungs with toxic poisons like benzine now do they?

Oh yes that's smokers

Actually it's mostly car drivers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I totally support the ban...!!!

You were in a pub with à child?

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