FabSwingers.com forum: Online privacy. Is this bullying?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Bit random but I have had to have some time off work because of an accident and I have been signed off. My boss this morning has posted on Facebook basically an ad for my job and tagged me in it naming and shaming like I haven't turned up for work all week when I have a good reason to be off. Has anyone else experienced this and what did they do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Snapshot the post and send it to your HR department. I don't know the circumstances but that, to me, sounds highly unprofessional.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I haven't experienced it but you need to talk to him and find out what's going on them go to citizens advice. You haven't told us the full story and any advice you get might be flawed because of that.

Hope it turns out ok.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Snapshot the post and send it to your HR department. I don't know the circumstances but that, to me, sounds highly unprofessional."

There is no HR ithat's the problem.

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By *irceWoman
over a year ago

Gloucester

Take a screen shot and sue there ass if it is not a bad taste joke.

I had bullying at work big time and it destroyed me.

Xxxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I haven't experienced it but you need to talk to him and find out what's going on them go to citizens advice. You haven't told us the full story and any advice you get might be flawed because of that.

Hope it turns out ok."

I had an accident at work. Got hit in the head and it affected my sight. Doctor signed me off after I had been to see the eye specialists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Snapshot the post and send it to your HR department. I don't know the circumstances but that, to me, sounds highly unprofessional.

There is no HR ithat's the problem. "

Who does he answer to? Find out and send it to them. If all else fails contact citizens advice for guidance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?"

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Snapshot the post and send it to your HR department. I don't know the circumstances but that, to me, sounds highly unprofessional.

There is no HR ithat's the problem.

Who does he answer to? Find out and send it to them. If all else fails contact citizens advice for guidance."

It's a privately run equestrian business so no HR think I will go and see the people at citizens advice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

call ACAS for advice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Snapshot the post and send it to your HR department. I don't know the circumstances but that, to me, sounds highly unprofessional.

There is no HR ithat's the problem. "

What is it you do? Or is it a small company with only a few employees? This sounds very much like my industry and although it sucks there isn't a great deal you can do. People can get petty when they feel they've had work dumped on them, hope your alright though x

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

If you have a sick note they can not sack you but the could make you see the company doctor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details "

What personal details?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gather all the evidence you can, accident book report, doctors notes, prescriptions, the facebook post, any humiliating comments from others, anything you can get hold of and can think of.

Seek legal advice. It's well out of order.

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

Could it be her idea of a joke? I think you need to speak to her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hope it turns out ok.

I had an accident at work. Got hit in the head and it affected my sight. Doctor signed me off after I had been to see the eye specialists "

If it's a work accident and you're been off for more than 7 days, it should be reported to RIDDOR. Is it recorded somewhere at work that this occurred at work? An accident or incident book? Did your GP put work related accident on your fit note?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Snapshot the post and send it to your HR department. I don't know the circumstances but that, to me, sounds highly unprofessional.

There is no HR ithat's the problem.

Who does he answer to? Find out and send it to them. If all else fails contact citizens advice for guidance.

It's a privately run equestrian business so no HR think I will go and see the people at citizens advice "

This wasn't posted when I wrote my reply!! You could take it higher and go to court and stuff but be prepared not to work with horses in your area again. I've seen it time and time again. It sucks but that's horses!!

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By *akemetobedeyesWoman
over a year ago

Knaresborough

"call ACAS for advice"

This especially if you're not in a Trade Union.

Your employer will find out they've broken dignity at work laws.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?"

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hope it turns out ok.

I had an accident at work. Got hit in the head and it affected my sight. Doctor signed me off after I had been to see the eye specialists

I actually don't think she did write it down. She is very good at "I will do it later"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job "

But someones got to do your job while your away!! Horses don't stop because you do!! I think you know that and the horse world is horribly bitchy. Suck it and leave of you don't like it or go back to work

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Hope it turns out ok.

I had an accident at work. Got hit in the head and it affected my sight. Doctor signed me off after I had been to see the eye specialists "

Citizens advice and your boss are who you need to speak to. Although we all want to be helpful you need someone who can ask you the correct questions and give you the correct advice based on your answers.

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Bit random but I have had to have some time off work because of an accident and I have been signed off. My boss this morning has posted on Facebook basically an ad for my job and tagged me in it naming and shaming like I haven't turned up for work all week when I have a good reason to be off. Has anyone else experienced this and what did they do? "

Speak to the CAB.

We don't know enough to give advice based on what you've said.

Was it a work or private accident?

How long have you been employed and what sick pay benefits (if any) do you get?

What kind of employment contract do you have? Have you ffled your obligations in reporting your absence and being signed off, and providing the necessary evidence?

Have you been posting on your Facebook page that you've been out partying/horse riding/climbing Mount Everest whilst signed off?

Was the job ad for permanent employment or just temporary cover until you return?

What you need to do will depend on many questions and answers - but if signed off work by a GP/specialist due to an accident they cannot dismiss you you or replace you with someone on a permanent basis.

Get some proper, legal advice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Not being funny but when I started there I had to work on my own with more horses in than what there is now and there are now 2 people that live on site. So it's not really to do with having no staff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fact he posted info on you on socisl network is defamation of character you have very strong case should you wish for constructive dismissal but we only know a little bit of the account.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Speak to the CAB.

We don't know enough to give advice based on what you've said.

Was it a work or private accident?

How long have you been employed and what sick pay benefits (if any) do you get?

What kind of employment contract do you have? Have you ffled your obligations in reporting your absence and being signed off, and providing the necessary evidence?

Have you been posting on your Facebook page that you've been out partying/horse riding/climbing Mount Everest whilst signed off?

Was the job ad for permanent employment or just temporary cover until you return?

Get some proper, legal advice.

It was an accident at work and no I haven't posted anything on Facebook as I haven't been out anywhere im not allowed to drive yet. Think a trip to the CAB would be best it's too complicated to explain on here I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Snapshot the post and send it to your HR department. I don't know the circumstances but that, to me, sounds highly unprofessional.

There is no HR ithat's the problem. "

Are you in a union?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

But your taking their time away from what they're doing..... It's not filing love!! Horses need looking after properly especially if its a business!! If you've not given her a time limit on your absence what other choice does she have?? She doesn't want to lose another member of staff because they get fed up of doing your job too!!! The horse world isn't very sympathetic!! I fell off a few years ago, broke my shoulder... After a lovely afternoon in hospital I was back in the morning , strapped up.... Rode out a few pointers and got started gutting the tackroom!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"call ACAS for advice"

This!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh, and I'd probably think twice about discussing any further details in a public forum. If you can find their Facebook stuff, they might find this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Yes and I have done the same but I was told not too as I had a head injury. Pupils were different sizes

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Whatever happened to you doesn't excuse putting details on Facebook. I assume the usual rules of decency still apply in the horse world sympathetic or not. If her job needs to be covered it's quite simple just to say that, horse world or not.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Yes and I have done the same but I was told not too as I had a head injury. Pupils were different sizes "

Take your doctor's advice about your head injury and I hope that this gets cleared up soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds totally illegal to me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Yes and I have done the same but I was told not too as I had a head injury. Pupils were different sizes

Take your doctor's advice about your head injury and I hope that this gets cleared up soon."

Thanks for everyone's input I now have a few options

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Yes and I have done the same but I was told not too as I had a head injury. Pupils were different sizes "

Well you sound like you know the score, I'll say again though unless you want out of the industry, think carefully about what you do, I've put up with some incredible shit over the years but it's paid off and now I have my own yard

Good luck and I hope you feel better soon

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Good for you.......we're you legally permitted to drive to work at that time?

A broken shoulder has a different impact than an accident which affects the eyes and leaves the victim unable to drive due to not being able to see th legal minimum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

But by tagging her in it I'm guessing her boss is letting her know theyre getting cover, plus her horsey friends can see the post too!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Regardless of what industry it is employers should not post details of their employees on social media without their consent. That's the main issue I'm picking up on here.

Also, just because it's the require industry doesn't mean it's exempt from employment law or even health and safety. The op has stated that the work related injury (which allegedly wasn't recorded by the owner) has caused there to be an issue with their sight. Not sure how much of an issue but I'm guessing you kind of been to see to be able to work safely around horses?!

I get what you are saying in as much as work goes on and that is no different in any industry....horses aren't that special, even those of us that file need people to step in and cover their work of they are off!

OP you need to ascertain if this is a temporary cover needed for your duties or something more. Sick notes nowadays do not mean your employer cannot ask you to return to work on restricted duties whilst you are ill. This may be something to consider if you are concerned about your future there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Good for you.......we're you legally permitted to drive to work at that time?

A broken shoulder has a different impact than an accident which affects the eyes and leaves the victim unable to drive due to not being able to see th legal minimum "

Who said I drove?? I lived there!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If your employer hasn't logged this accident do you have any proof that it happened as you said?

It's very bizarre behaviour for a company owner to tag an employee on facebook in this situation.

Might be an idea when you're better to look for employment elsewhere as I can't see this ending well.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Require = equine BTW

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hope it turns out ok.

I had an accident at work. Got hit in the head and it affected my sight. Doctor signed me off after I had been to see the eye specialists "

If you had an accident at work, surely they have a duty of care ?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

But by tagging her in it I'm guessing her boss is letting her know theyre getting cover, plus her horsey friends can see the post too! "

With guessing being the operative word.

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Good for you.......we're you legally permitted to drive to work at that time?

A broken shoulder has a different impact than an accident which affects the eyes and leaves the victim unable to drive due to not being able to see th legal minimum

Who said I drove?? I lived there!!"

So we're able to get to work safely and within the law, unlike the op is right now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Just because you're an idiot who is happy to be shafted by their boss and risk permanent disabling injury because you believe their bullshit doesn't mean everyone is the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Regardless of what industry it is employers should not post details of their employees on social media without their consent. That's the main issue I'm picking up on here.

And I agree with you fully but (and I'm sure the op will back me up on this) although that's how it SHOULD be... It's not. It's a lot better than it used to be but there is a long way to go!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I were you id find a solicitor who specialises in employment law. This is a blatent breach of confidentiality and cyber bullying for a start.

A lot solicitors may offer an hour for free to begin with so make sure you have all the facts written down to take with you.

If you were to leave or given notice I think you have a clear claim for unfair dismissal and again your solicitor would take that through the courts. You had an accident at work too? Your employer should be held accountable for that too.

Annnnnd relax, rant over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The main point of this was to find what avenues I could go down. I have kept my boss informed of everything. Texts and phone calls (mainly to answer phones) none of which have been replied too. I wake up this morning and she has named and shamed me on Facebook.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!"

As far as the law is concerned I dont the equine industry is excempt. OPs employers breached her trust, possibly breached health and safety legislation causing her to have an accident - your industry, in the eyes of the law, works exactly the same as mine or anyone elses.

Happy monday though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

Happy monday though

I totally agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!"

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The main point of this was to find what avenues I could go down. I have kept my boss informed of everything. Texts and phone calls (mainly to answer phones) none of which have been replied too. I wake up this morning and she has named and shamed me on Facebook. "

solicitor specialising in employment law, best bet.

lets face it this is going to end up in constructive dismissal rather than going back to normal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved" "

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

CAB as mentioned is your best bet.

However according to the other poster you'll be screwed work wise for the future whatever you do unless you go back to work

Have you gone back to the yard and spoken to her in person, often solves conflict easier than via a text message? (If you can't drive there get a taxi or a lift).

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By *ilmiss75Woman
over a year ago

Thornton

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!"

Why will she struggle to find work again????

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

CAB as mentioned is your best bet.

However according to the other poster you'll be screwed work wise for the future whatever you do unless you go back to work

Have you gone back to the yard and spoken to her in person, often solves conflict easier than via a text message? (If you can't drive there get a taxi or a lift).

I have worked for worse people lol I arranged to go today to take my note but woke up to this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I knew there was a reason I disliked horses and the whole industry, sounds like a ridiculous bitchy nightmare. I'll stick with my filing.

Hope you feel better soon.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

CAB as mentioned is your best bet.

However according to the other poster you'll be screwed work wise for the future whatever you do unless you go back to work

Have you gone back to the yard and spoken to her in person, often solves conflict easier than via a text message? (If you can't drive there get a taxi or a lift).

That is actually a good idea. Also keep a log of all contact you have had either way and also attempted.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

Why will she struggle to find work again????"

I do have other skills other than horse related ones as I didn't want to be working with horses when I'm 40 lol

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By *illdeeCouple
over a year ago

nr Edinburgh

"call ACAS for advice"

l highly recommend this. Currently in a similar situation. ACAS have been brilliant.

good luck.

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over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

Why will she struggle to find work again????"

Because although totally wrong if she makes a huge deal she will be branded a trouble maker, even though all she's doing is standing up for herself

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By *illdeeCouple
over a year ago

nr Edinburgh

"call ACAS for advice

l highly recommend this. Currently in a similar situation. ACAS have been brilliant.

good luck."

Also check your home insurance, it may provide legal cover for employment disputes.

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over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

Why will she struggle to find work again????

I do have other skills other than horse related ones as I didn't want to be working with horses when I'm 40 lol "

Cracking!! Do that then!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

Why will she struggle to find work again????

I do have other skills other than horse related ones as I didn't want to be working with horses when I'm 40 lol

Cracking!! Do that then!!"

Why should she, she's not 40 yet!

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over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

Why will she struggle to find work again????

I do have other skills other than horse related ones as I didn't want to be working with horses when I'm 40 lol

Cracking!! Do that then!!

Why should she, she's not 40 yet! "

It was only a suggestion!! The op brought it up not me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

CAB as mentioned is your best bet.

However according to the other poster you'll be screwed work wise for the future whatever you do unless you go back to work

Have you gone back to the yard and spoken to her in person, often solves conflict easier than via a text message? (If you can't drive there get a taxi or a lift).

I have worked for worse people lol I arranged to go today to take my note but woke up to this"

Not a nice start to a Monday morning!

Hope it all works out for you.

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By *ilmiss75Woman
over a year ago

Thornton

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

Why will she struggle to find work again????

Because although totally wrong if she makes a huge deal she will be branded a trouble maker, even though all she's doing is standing up for herself"

Your talking absolute shit.

I had trouble with an employment and took it to tribunaral after receiving a hand delivered letter thanking me for my resignation which id never given. 2 weeks later i was in new employment and 10 years on, im now a manager.

Your making out that working with horses is different than working anywhere else or better. Its not!!!

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over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

Why will she struggle to find work again????

Because although totally wrong if she makes a huge deal she will be branded a trouble maker, even though all she's doing is standing up for herself

Your talking absolute shit.

Your making out that working with horses is different than working anywhere else or better. Its not!!!"

Do you work in the horse industry?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I thought the beauty industry got bitchey!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And I thought the beauty industry got bitchey!!"

Haha!! I know right?!!

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

Do you have a contract?

How long have you been there?

Gather evidence, make notes of who said what and when.

Keep copies of anything relevant.

Forget CAB,most solicitors will give initial advice for free.

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over a year ago

"And I thought the beauty industry got bitchey!!

Haha!! I know right?!!"

I'm a hairdresser by trade but converted over Barbering because I couldn't handle all the drama. At least if a man don't like you he tells you. No cryptic status updates and such

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By *ilmiss75Woman
over a year ago

Thornton

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

Why will she struggle to find work again????

Because although totally wrong if she makes a huge deal she will be branded a trouble maker, even though all she's doing is standing up for herself

Your talking absolute shit.

Your making out that working with horses is different than working anywhere else or better. Its not!!!

Do you work in the horse industry?"

Explain why working in the horse industry is any better or different to any other employment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

Why will she struggle to find work again????

Because although totally wrong if she makes a huge deal she will be branded a trouble maker, even though all she's doing is standing up for herself

Your talking absolute shit.

Your making out that working with horses is different than working anywhere else or better. Its not!!!

Do you work in the horse industry?

Explain why working in the horse industry is any better or different to any other employment?"

It just is!! If you were in it then you would know what I'm on about. I'm not saying it's right, I'm really not, I'm just saying that's how it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And I thought the beauty industry got bitchey!!

Haha!! I know right?!!

I'm a hairdresser by trade but converted over Barbering because I couldn't handle all the drama. At least if a man don't like you he tells you. No cryptic status updates and such

Although horsey men are mean bitches!!! Haha!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speak to ACAS, a free service, and they will guide you through this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"call ACAS for advice"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

Happy monday though

as far as i know, nothing is exempt from employment law

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over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

Happy monday though

as far as i know, nothing is exempt from employment law "

Yeah my typo, thats what I was implying. Monday morning brain

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over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

Why will she struggle to find work again????

Because although totally wrong if she makes a huge deal she will be branded a trouble maker, even though all she's doing is standing up for herself

Your talking absolute shit.

Your making out that working with horses is different than working anywhere else or better. Its not!!!

Do you work in the horse industry?

Explain why working in the horse industry is any better or different to any other employment?"

Because she got fed some cock an bull story about how she'll be black balled unless she came back to work straight away and be lived it and basically got mugged off by her employer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok. As I've just said, there are ways it should be done but the equine industry just doesn't work like that, the op knows this, and unless your in it, it's quite baffling!!!

I'm not idiot. I'm a grafter that's (finally) got my end goal and a pretty decent reputation for getting the job done which will hold me in good sted for the rest of my life.

Again.... Hope you feel better op!!!

yeah i forgot there was a little plaque on the walls of court rooms and a footnote on employment legislation saying "sorry law doesn't apply if horses are involved"

I'm not saying the law is different! I'm saying she will struggle to find work again!

Why will she struggle to find work again????

Because although totally wrong if she makes a huge deal she will be branded a trouble maker, even though all she's doing is standing up for herself

Your talking absolute shit.

Your making out that working with horses is different than working anywhere else or better. Its not!!!

Do you work in the horse industry?

Explain why working in the horse industry is any better or different to any other employment?

Because she got fed some cock an bull story about how she'll be black balled unless she came back to work straight away and be lived it and basically got mugged off by her employer. "

Really?? Funny how that didn't actually happen. I've seen other people take employers to court and not ever get work in the industry again. I however now work for myself. And thanks to to that 'bullshitting' employer I have more work than I ever hoped. So.... Perhaps get your facts straight first. I'm sorry if my industry offends you but to be honest your opinion really doesn't matter. Are you doing a job that you love? Are you your own boss? Are you happy with your life?? I really hope you are and because of my hard work and dedication I am all those things.... So ya boo shucks to you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That sounds as though it might be actionable on more than one front.

1. You have been signed off and he is calling you either a liar or a shirker, or both. Slander?

2. He may have breached a duty of confidentiality towards his employees.

Sounds like a right arse to me too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and FYI I went back because I wanted too, because we were short of riders and I wanted to keep everyone else's work to a minimum as they had to muck out my horses for 3 weeks. I know, I know, I'm a terrible person for thinking of my friends.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

The "horse industry" may have a certain culture but as others have said the actions of the folk who work within it are not exempt from the provisions of the Law.

OP, again as others have advised, seek professional advice...

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over a year ago

"Oh and FYI I went back because I wanted too, because we were short of riders and I wanted to keep everyone else's work to a minimum as they had to muck out my horses for 3 weeks. I know, I know, I'm a terrible person for thinking of my friends."

Its that " mucking in " attitude that perpetuates the way the OP was treated.

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over a year ago

Its that " mucking in " attitude that perpetuates the way the OP was treated."

Ok yes, my can do attitude is to blame. No wonder our country is going to the dogs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having worked in debt collection extensively its very easy to find folk via various methods internet facebook etc once you know how to its easy.

As for o p stop replying on here how do you know folk you work with are not on fab.

Get proper legal advice stop being a numpty by posting on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Acas for sure. Screen shot everything. Make a note of all correspondence and calls going forward

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over a year ago

Its that " mucking in " attitude that perpetuates the way the OP was treated.

Ok yes, my can do attitude is to blame. No wonder our country is going to the dogs."

Your helping an employer ignore their responsibility. No wonder its going to the dogs.

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over a year ago

Its that " mucking in " attitude that perpetuates the way the OP was treated.

Ok yes, my can do attitude is to blame. No wonder our country is going to the dogs.

Your helping an employer ignore their responsibility. No wonder its going to the dogs."

Bullshit. If you want to get anywhere in life you get your head down and get on with it.

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over a year ago

Its that " mucking in " attitude that perpetuates the way the OP was treated.

Ok yes, my can do attitude is to blame. No wonder our country is going to the dogs.

Your helping an employer ignore their responsibility. No wonder its going to the dogs.

Bullshit. If you want to get anywhere in life you get your head down and get on with it."

Whilst I can see both side of the argument it does lead me to think, horses are owned by rich people, rich people act like this, maybe they should have it taken off them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I own horses. I'm not rich.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich."

I hope if you're in a position to employ people in the future you won't perpetuate these crappy employment practises then!

There are many industries which unfortunately seem to still operate a bit like this, and it sometimes seems to be because they're dominated by rich people playing at running a business with their stockbroker spouse's money.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich."

You're not acting like that, so don't take that as a dig at you, whether you're rich or not. Would you own a horse if it wasn't your living, I guess your business came out of your love of horses. Maybe I'm making assumptions but its fair to assume most horse owners don't live in council flats.

If someone has head injury from work that leave them visually impaired and an employer act like this, maybe they should be shut down and that is the end of it, if they treat humans like this, bet you they kick their horses too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich."

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job?

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over a year ago

Its that " mucking in " attitude that perpetuates the way the OP was treated.

Ok yes, my can do attitude is to blame. No wonder our country is going to the dogs.

Your helping an employer ignore their responsibility. No wonder its going to the dogs.

Bullshit. If you want to get anywhere in life you get your head down and get on with it."

I have on many occasions covered colleagues when they have been off sick,that's my can do,get on with it attitude. I didn't ring them and say come in I don't like doing extra work.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job? "

It would depend on circumstances etc.... i employ over 50 people and often find troublesome past history a good reason not to offer employment .

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job?

It would depend on circumstances etc.... i employ over 50 people and often find troublesome past history a good reason not to offer employment ."

suffering a head injury that affected eye sight to the point of not being legally able to drive is surely a sound reason to be off on the sick

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job?

It would depend on circumstances etc.... i employ over 50 people and often find troublesome past history a good reason not to offer employment .

suffering a head injury that affected eye sight to the point of not being legally able to drive is surely a sound reason to be off on the sick"

Eyesight not bad enough to stop using fab

but yes good reason to be off sick.

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over a year ago

Its that " mucking in " attitude that perpetuates the way the OP was treated.

Ok yes, my can do attitude is to blame. No wonder our country is going to the dogs."

the attitude of "meh sod it that I'm not really fit for work but ill go in anyway" isn't really a good one tbh as it can lead to mistakes.

fortunately in my industry if the boss bullied you into coming in and you made a mistake that ended up in a major accident the boss and his boss and his boss could be looking at prison sentences stretching into the centuries so they are quite good with their sickness procedures.

the ops sight is severely affected this puts her and others at risk in a workplace especially one with heavy equipment or animals she's being sensible and not endangering others by staying out.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job?

It would depend on circumstances etc.... i employ over 50 people and often find troublesome past history a good reason not to offer employment .

suffering a head injury that affected eye sight to the point of not being legally able to drive is surely a sound reason to be off on the sick"

Yes it is , but callingon unions and others after the event ......

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job?

It would depend on circumstances etc.... i employ over 50 people and often find troublesome past history a good reason not to offer employment .

suffering a head injury that affected eye sight to the point of not being legally able to drive is surely a sound reason to be off on the sick

Yes it is , but callingon unions and others after the event ...... "

When the boss starts advertising your job and lying about you on Facebook?

While your still on sick leave?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not been in that particular sitation. I would first take a copy of it a photo, snapshot.

Contact acas speak them you dont have to say who you are or anything just explain the situtation see what info they can give you. They will tell you where you stand basically with the matter and will probably tell you the best way to resolve the issue.

Depending on the size of the company would depend on my course of action. If it is a large company say with 1000 plus people they will have a decent HR department i would assume they have a decent HR department so contat them.

If any smaller I would probably go to the boss regarding the matter.

Really its a breach of confidentiality for starters, then things such as victimisation and bullying. Depends how far you wanted to go and of course legal action if required

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

Yep....and not just your industry...health and safety at work act (1974 I think) makes directors culpable and the penalties were stepped up in the last few years to include jail terms.....with everyone else on this though...get proper advice before doing anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are only getting one version of this so will repeat what I said earlier o p should cease posting in this because and not saying is the cae but god forbid you used fab on work system or using their wifi they can easily find out what you been on via internet.

Seek proper advice fron properly qualified folk nothing or no one is untraceable on the net usually.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

I hope if you're in a position to employ people in the future you won't perpetuate these crappy employment practises then!

I live by the rule 'if you want it done, do it yourself' so I'll never make millions but I can guarantee my quality of work is consistent.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job? "

Of course I would!! If she took them to court and stuff?? Well I'd probably choose someone else.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

You are making assumptions. I don't live in a council flat.... Know why?? Because I've worked fucking hard and given up loads of things ( I'm guessing) most of you take for granted not because I was born with a silver spoon up my backside.

No one is saying the op should go back to work with a head injury. What I am saying is if she kicks off because they are trying to find someone to fill the gap she's left then she's going to (probably) have a fair bit of comeback.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job?

Of course I would!! If she took them to court and stuff?? Well I'd probably choose someone else."

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Why get all aggressive. I've done all right, but I was lucky to find something I was good at and liked and I lived in a council flat for a long time, not too many horses in Lewisham, a lot of wasted talent though and its not all their own fault.

I worked over 100 a week to achieve what I have, but I never considered it work as I was doing it for me and had a few lucky breaks which led to a few more lucky breaks, funny how once you've got a bit of spare cash you get luckier.

Anyone who worked for me I wanted the best out of them, whether they were ambitious or wanted to be a cog in the wheel, and sure as hell wouldn't wind them up by doing that, I've sacked a lot of people.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

O p surely instead being on here you be better contacting qualified people ie acas even asking your employer if it was me I would not be debating on a public forum seems totally wrong priority.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

I hope if you're in a position to employ people in the future you won't perpetuate these crappy employment practises then!

I live by the rule 'if you want it done, do it yourself' so I'll never make millions but I can guarantee my quality of work is consistent."

How is the quality of, say, a bricklayers work, consistent when HE rolls up to work with a broken arm (due to an accident at work)?

Let's be honest here, the only reason an employer wants someone to come in and work when they are injured due to an accident at work is to make sure the lost time incident rate is kept low.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

I hope if you're in a position to employ people in the future you won't perpetuate these crappy employment practises then!

I live by the rule 'if you want it done, do it yourself' so I'll never make millions but I can guarantee my quality of work is consistent.

How is the quality of, say, a bricklayers work, consistent when HE rolls up to work with a broken arm (due to an accident at work)?

Let's be honest here, the only reason an employer wants someone to come in and work when they are injured due to an accident at work is to make sure the lost time incident rate is kept low."

Again. No one is suggesting she goes back in injured. I went back because I wanted too not because I was blackmailed or made to feel guilty, because I wanted to go

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect"

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

I was mainly referring that if complaining about the disgraceful behaviour of this particular stable owner is backed up by the whole industry by blackballing, maybe someone needs to take a stand and a appropriate massive fine served as a deterrent.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

And how's that going to help? If her reputation is 'damaged' you can't make other people employer her. It's horses, it's a very small world, gossip is rife!!

And yes horses are expensive, so are all my animals up keep. That's why I work so hard, so they don't go without, some people have children... I have animals. Again I don't see what the cost of horses has anything to do with anything?? I'm going to hedge a bet that the op also has a horse or at least has owned one at some point.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

And how's that going to help? If her reputation is 'damaged' you can't make other people employer her. It's horses, it's a very small world, gossip is rife!!

How does it help? Isn't it obvious? If employers are dragged through the courts because they are breaking H&S or employment laws, then maybe they will think twice before trying to act like a Victorian mill owner. We have employment laws in this country. They apply to everyone, whether you have horses or not.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

And how's that going to help? If her reputation is 'damaged' you can't make other people employer her. It's horses, it's a very small world, gossip is rife!!

I'm really not sure what her employer has done wrong, she's not there, the work needs doing, theyre looking for someone to do it. What's the problem?

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Again. No one is suggesting she goes back in injured. I went back because I wanted too not because I was blackmailed or made to feel guilty, because I wanted to go"

To be fair though, you also said the way the horsey world is, you didn't want to chance not being employable. Which is awful really as you were injured....so technically you had pressure to go back to work, even if it was just from yourself because of how things are.

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over a year ago

Again. No one is suggesting she goes back in injured. I went back because I wanted too not because I was blackmailed or made to feel guilty, because I wanted to go

I went back because I wanted to help as much as I could because I know how hard everyone worked!!

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I went back because I wanted to help as much as I could because I know how hard everyone worked!!"

I know exactly what you are saying all through the thread about the horsey life, and to be fair you are right to a point but I have a feeling getting back into the saddle (scuse the pun ) was probably because you thought they might replace you?

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over a year ago

Again. No one is suggesting she goes back in injured. I went back because I wanted too not because I was blackmailed or made to feel guilty, because I wanted to go

I went back because I wanted to help as much as I could because I know how hard everyone worked!!"

Other people feel like that about their jobs and colleagues too; not wanting to drop people in it is one thing (even if your job doesn't involve horses and is "just filing"); feeling harried back to work after an injury for fear of losing your job is another.

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over a year ago

I went back because I wanted to help as much as I could because I know how hard everyone worked!!

Not at all!! I didnt want people having to bust more of a gut because of me!!

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over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Good for you.......we're you legally permitted to drive to work at that time?

A broken shoulder has a different impact than an accident which affects the eyes and leaves the victim unable to drive due to not being able to see th legal minimum "

By driving with a broken shoulder you actually totally invalidated your car insurance...

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over a year ago

Again. No one is suggesting she goes back in injured. I went back because I wanted too not because I was blackmailed or made to feel guilty, because I wanted to go

I went back because I wanted to help as much as I could because I know how hard everyone worked!!

Do you know what? Forget it. Go and find someone else to argue with. I never said the horse industry was better just different because your dealing with animals that cannot look after themselves, same for kennels and rescue centres... Or anywhere where animals, or children or the elderly or infirm.

You don't hurry back to work because you fear for your job, you hurry back so you can make sure all your charges are being cared for properly, not hurriedly done because someone else has twice as much to do!! (And that's all they can do because they are busy because of your absence) and if that's wrong of me, fine, I'm happy being a wrong 'un

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

And how's that going to help? If her reputation is 'damaged' you can't make other people employer her. It's horses, it's a very small world, gossip is rife!!

There is more to it than that, what makes people like that think they're above the law, they scream blue murder if anyone treads on their toes, look a the hunting lot, they call themselves animal lovers.

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over a year ago

"is the add for temporary cover in your absense ...are you likely to be absent for a while ?

I'm not sure how long I will be off. It's the fact she tagged me in it and gave out personal details

What personal details?

She has basically tried to embarrass me. Tagged me in it, given out details which aren't correct and advertised my job

Good for you.......we're you legally permitted to drive to work at that time?

A broken shoulder has a different impact than an accident which affects the eyes and leaves the victim unable to drive due to not being able to see th legal minimum

By driving with a broken shoulder you actually totally invalidated your car insurance..."

I lived there!!!! I walked down the steps and on to the yard.

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over a year ago

Dragging yourself round a stables with a broken shoulder? Sounds to me you would be more of a hindrance than a help. You don't get thanked, you won't get a medal and nobody would have thought less of you for taking to your bed. Would you gave thought someone an idle tosser for not coming in with a broken shoulder? A sprained wrist I could understand, a broken finger, there are things you can still do. But all you did was risk making your injuries worse.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

And how's that going to help? If her reputation is 'damaged' you can't make other people employer her. It's horses, it's a very small world, gossip is rife!!

Blah blah blah hunting blah cruel, blah whatever... Do you know the ins and outs?

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over a year ago

Just move jobs. If you do anything about it your boss will hate you and you'll be forced to move jobs. If you don't and she hires someone else you'll be forced to move jobs. And if you don't and you get your job back you'll never have good chemistry again so you'll want to move jobs. So just be proactive and move jobs. It's the only positive way to move on with your life and avoid any more unnecessary nastiness

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over a year ago

Again. No one is suggesting she goes back in injured. I went back because I wanted too not because I was blackmailed or made to feel guilty, because I wanted to go

I went back because I wanted to help as much as I could because I know how hard everyone worked!!

Who said you were a wrong'un? Chill out! I'd rather my colleagues didn't rush back if they're not capable of doing the job properly because I'll spend as much time rectifying mistakes if they decided to come in and be a martyr when they're not fit to be there.

But then what do I know, I don't work with horses (thank fuck).

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

And how's that going to help? If her reputation is 'damaged' you can't make other people employer her. It's horses, it's a very small world, gossip is rife!!

Blah blah blah hunting blah cruel, blah whatever... Do you know the ins and outs?"

Indeed I do, a bunch of well dressed savages justifying their barbarity behind the smokescreen of tradition.

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over a year ago

Again. No one is suggesting she goes back in injured. I went back because I wanted too not because I was blackmailed or made to feel guilty, because I wanted to go

I went back because I wanted to help as much as I could because I know how hard everyone worked!!

But then what do I know, I don't work with horses (thank fuck). "

You said I was wrong for going back injured!!

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

And how's that going to help? If her reputation is 'damaged' you can't make other people employer her. It's horses, it's a very small world, gossip is rife!!

Blah blah blah hunting blah cruel, blah whatever... Do you know the ins and outs?

Indeed I do, a bunch of well dressed savages justifying their barbarity behind the smokescreen of tradition."

No then.

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

And how's that going to help? If her reputation is 'damaged' you can't make other people employer her. It's horses, it's a very small world, gossip is rife!!

Blah blah blah hunting blah cruel, blah whatever... Do you know the ins and outs?

Indeed I do, a bunch of well dressed savages justifying their barbarity behind the smokescreen of tradition.

No then."

OK justify it

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"Just move jobs. If you do anything about it your boss will hate you and you'll be forced to move jobs. If you don't and she hires someone else you'll be forced to move jobs. And if you don't and you get your job back you'll never have good chemistry again so you'll want to move jobs. So just be proactive and move jobs. It's the only positive way to move on with your life and avoid any more unnecessary nastiness

Excellent advice

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

And how's that going to help? If her reputation is 'damaged' you can't make other people employer her. It's horses, it's a very small world, gossip is rife!!

Blah blah blah hunting blah cruel, blah whatever... Do you know the ins and outs?

Indeed I do, a bunch of well dressed savages justifying their barbarity behind the smokescreen of tradition.

No then.

OK justify it"

Why? It's banned now so no 'cruelty' involved, we all hunt within the law so if you have a problem with that write to your MP

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over a year ago

Excellent advice

Hang on this is a cop out, if she wants to work with horses that's her choice, why should she trod upon or get out. She's done nothing wrong its the bastard employer, stand up for herself, better go down fighting then yield to those scum.

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over a year ago

I think a lot of people are getting nasty and personal about this OP story and I'm not a horsey person and don't know the in and out of the Horse world so to speak but it sounds like a unsavoury kind of world to be honest really bitchy environment.

I work for CAB as a debt adviser from the top of my head I don't know Employment Law in vast detail but I advise you go to your local CAB and ask them for help and advise to be honest can sue them for unlawful dismissal if it's heading that way as you were injured at work so you have a right to be off sick.

Good luck with your situation

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over a year ago

Excellent advice

Explain to me what you think this employer has done wrong?

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

And how's that going to help? If her reputation is 'damaged' you can't make other people employer her. It's horses, it's a very small world, gossip is rife!!

Blah blah blah hunting blah cruel, blah whatever... Do you know the ins and outs?

Indeed I do, a bunch of well dressed savages justifying their barbarity behind the smokescreen of tradition.

No then.

OK justify it

Why? It's banned now so no 'cruelty' involved, we all hunt within the law so if you have a problem with that write to your MP"

They want to bring it back, I regularly tell some plummy twat to fuck off in Cheltenham High Street who's campaigning to bring it back.

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over a year ago

"I think a lot of people are getting nasty and personal about this OP story and I'm not a horsey person and don't know the in and out of the Horse world so to speak but it sounds like a unsavoury kind of world to be honest really bitchy environment.

Good luck with your situation"

Does the employer not have a right to get someone in to do her job while she's away though?

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over a year ago

Quite funny how topic started about one thing and now about horse owners. Right own up which of you has shergar ??

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

So you worked hard, so what, people in the third world work a bloody sight harder than you or me, they've got nothing.

Right so what's your point? I didn't say I worked harder than anyone else. I was just pointing out that your assumption of my wealth was incorrect

OK I rephrase, horses are expensive and keeping them can make you poor, I know my daughter wanted one, and I refused thankfully she got over it pretty quick.

And how's that going to help? If her reputation is 'damaged' you can't make other people employer her. It's horses, it's a very small world, gossip is rife!!

Blah blah blah hunting blah cruel, blah whatever... Do you know the ins and outs?

Indeed I do, a bunch of well dressed savages justifying their barbarity behind the smokescreen of tradition.

No then.

OK justify it

Why? It's banned now so no 'cruelty' involved, we all hunt within the law so if you have a problem with that write to your MP

They want to bring it back, I regularly tell some plummy twat to fuck off in Cheltenham High Street who's campaigning to bring it back."

'They' that's a really massive generalisation!!! I can't speak for 'them' but I couldn't give a monkeys if the law is over turned or not, it really won't make that much difference to me

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over a year ago

Again. No one is suggesting she goes back in injured. I went back because I wanted too not because I was blackmailed or made to feel guilty, because I wanted to go

I went back because I wanted to help as much as I could because I know how hard everyone worked!!

But then what do I know, I don't work with horses (thank fuck).

You said I was wrong for going back injured!!"

That's not the same as a wrong'un in my vocabulary. Look, only you know yourself and your capabilities. I think it's wrong to go back injured if you're at risk of putting yourself or potentially your colleagues in danger (or even just inconvenience) if you're not capable of doing the job properly as a result of the injury. If you were capable then fine, no problem.

This is one of my biggest bugbears at work, the people who are so proud of their 100% attendance record when actually they've come in ill, cocked everything up causing more work to rectify it, and infected everyone else instead of just taking a bloody day off. This attitude can be just as damaging to an organisation as people who pull sickies for spurious reasons.

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over a year ago

Again. No one is suggesting she goes back in injured. I went back because I wanted too not because I was blackmailed or made to feel guilty, because I wanted to go

I went back because I wanted to help as much as I could because I know how hard everyone worked!!

But then what do I know, I don't work with horses (thank fuck).

You said I was wrong for going back injured!!

Ok fair enough, I do see what your saying

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over a year ago

Excellent advice

Explain to me what you think this employer has done wrong?"

Doing it in that manner for a start, what kind of nut does that, if you need someone temporarily, just advertise, no need to behave like that, I tell you in my industry the union would have a field day with that. No company boss would be stupid enough to do it.

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over a year ago

"Quite funny how topic started about one thing and now about horse owners. Right own up which of you has shergar ??"

You probably had him at a bbq at some point

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over a year ago

Excellent advice

Explain to me what you think this employer has done wrong?

But that's what she did!! She tagged the op in it as well... Maybe to let her know she was doing it!! A lot of grooms jobs are advertised on Facebook

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over a year ago

evesham

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job?

Of course I would!! If she took them to court and stuff?? Well I'd probably choose someone else."

That says volumes about your employment practices. Would you be worried that bad practice would be highlighted and you'd lose a tribunal etc?!

Surely any employer working within the law would not be worried about an employer who has previously taken poor employers to court.

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over a year ago

Haven't experienced this but have some experience of advising employees. Take a screenshot, contact ACAS - their services are free - get their opinion on fair employment processes for the situation you describe - tell your employers to contact ACAS too so they can hear about good practice and there is an arbitration service that is free aswell. Might avoid the need to go down suing/legal route - might give them the chance to repair the damage their ill-judged action has caused. I am basing my advice on the presumption that you like your job and you might want to return to the job and have a better relationship with your employer. m x

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job?

Of course I would!! If she took them to court and stuff?? Well I'd probably choose someone else.

That says volumes about your employment practices. Would you be worried that bad practice would be highlighted and you'd lose a tribunal etc?!

Surely any employer working within the law would not be worried about an employer who has previously taken poor employers to court. "

Right you have two candidates.... Equal in every way.... Except one has history (ie tribunals ect) who do you pick?

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over a year ago

evesham

Also, slightly off topic....horses can look after themselves. They have been found do for millions of years, it's just humans that have decided they need to live in stables and have supplemented feeds etc.

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over a year ago

evesham

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job?

Of course I would!! If she took them to court and stuff?? Well I'd probably choose someone else.

That says volumes about your employment practices. Would you be worried that bad practice would be highlighted and you'd lose a tribunal etc?!

Surely any employer working within the law would not be worried about an employer who has previously taken poor employers to court.

Right you have two candidates.... Equal in every way.... Except one has history (ie tribunals ect) who do you pick?"

How would I know? I've never been asked that info on a job application.

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over a year ago

"Also, slightly off topic....horses can look after themselves. They have been found do for millions of years, it's just humans that have decided they need to live in stables and have supplemented feeds etc. "

Well yes I agree but you can't just suddenly dump a fit competition horse in the field and leave it

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over a year ago

"I own horses. I'm not rich.

Would you not employ the OP if she applied for a job,just because she had to have time off in her previous job?

Of course I would!! If she took them to court and stuff?? Well I'd probably choose someone else.

That says volumes about your employment practices. Would you be worried that bad practice would be highlighted and you'd lose a tribunal etc?!

Surely any employer working within the law would not be worried about an employer who has previously taken poor employers to court.

Right you have two candidates.... Equal in every way.... Except one has history (ie tribunals ect) who do you pick?

How would I know? I've never been asked that info on a job application. "

But because it's such a tight knit community the person who's 'interviewing' you would know. Do you see what I mean??

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over a year ago

Excellent advice

Explain to me what you think this employer has done wrong?

But that's what she did!! She tagged the op in it as well... Maybe to let her know she was doing it!! A lot of grooms jobs are advertised on Facebook"

Not being funny but you haven't seen the post. She has basically told facebook something no one else needed to know as if to shame me for having an accident and needing time off. Why tag my name in it for all to see? Fair enough place an ad but no need for my name to be included in it. That was the whole point of my post

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over a year ago

If your employer has advertised for your specific position whilst you're signed off sick, it's an offence under the Employment Act 2002. If it's a general advert for employees doing the same job as you, no foul. Posting private info about you might possibly be an offence under The Data Protection Act, depending on what's been posted.

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over a year ago

Excellent advice

Explain to me what you think this employer has done wrong?

But that's what she did!! She tagged the op in it as well... Maybe to let her know she was doing it!! A lot of grooms jobs are advertised on Facebook

Ok, no I havnt, do you post things about the yard and tag each other in photos ect?? If you've been there a while maybe the boss/friend line had been blurred abit this has happened to me before, and when you kinda say no I'm an employee they get a bit arsey. Maybe he/she guinuely didn't mean to embarrass or upset you. I would really go and chat face to face. Then if they are being shitty you've shown them your not scared to face them off xx

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over a year ago

Excellent advice

Explain to me what you think this employer has done wrong?

But that's what she did!! She tagged the op in it as well... Maybe to let her know she was doing it!! A lot of grooms jobs are advertised on Facebook

Perhaps they tagged you so you knew they were advertising and didn't find out from someone else?

Have you spoken to her about it?

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over a year ago

OP your best course of action is to go and speak to your boss about it and tell her that you are not happy with the Facebook status. keep a copy of what's been posted and report to Facebook to remove it.

All this talk of suing and getting legal advice is not of benefit at the moment. You haven't been sacked, there is no replacement for your job etc.

Remember that whilst there are employment laws in place to protect the employee, it's a costly and stressful procedure and there are no guarantees. If this is a one off act then it will be seen as less detrimental than a long term history of bullying.

Remember that employment lawyers will charge by the hour, and to go to court you will have to pay to lodge the claim and complete the paperwork etc.

All in all its far better to just go and speak to her.

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