FabSwingers.com forum: Alcohol - is our social acceptance of it a good or a bad thing?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just watching the news about Charles Kennedy and that his death was linked to his battle with alcoholism. Part of the story was saying that the culture in Westminster does lead to lots of social events involving alcohol.

I do think some people have a more addictive personality and I have often wondered if it can be a genetic thing. Although, as my paternal grandfather was a big drinker from being in the navy, my father never drank at all.

It seems to cause so many problems, yet like anyone, I enjoy the occasional drink. I may, sound slightly mad here, but I never drink on my own. It's just not something I enjoy anyway and it's something I decided since becoming a single parent many years ago.

Who is to blame for where we have go to now, or is it no worse than it ever has been, but we just see it reported more now?

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By *o_added_sugarWoman
over a year ago

A club not so many miles away

I think an addictive personality is definitely hereditary but you do not have to be addicted to the same thing.

Just like you, I have a couple of family members who are heavy drinkers and smokers; neither I am but I have the addictive personality in other traits. One of which is why I'm here lol

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

We were in the pub trade many years we drink every day nothing wrong with our kidneys or liver now retired go out every afternoon back home at tea time wine with our meal and a couple of G and T WHILE WATCHING tv would not say we were alcoholics by no way we don't shake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just because there is alcohol there it doesn't mean you have to drink it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have access to enough free alcohol to keep me permanently pissed, still not interested in drinking, a case of 24 will go out of date before I'd finish it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Have access to enough free alcohol to keep me permanently pissed, still not interested in drinking, a case of 24 will go out of date before I'd finish it.

I'm the same, I am not worried about a bottle of wine being in my house for ages unopened.

The debate on the news has been whether it is actually an illness or an addiction, or are they one and the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think an addictive personality is definitely hereditary but you do not have to be addicted to the same thing.

Just like you, I have a couple of family members who are heavy drinkers and smokers; neither I am but I have the addictive personality in other traits. One of which is why I'm here lol

Likewise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to drink quite a bit in my younger days. It wasn't possible to have any kind of social activities without an alcoholic drink. Ive not touched a drop in over nine year now but still get that old addage "have a proper drink". Alcohol destroys people and lives but each to there own and lots of people are perfectly fine in having an alcoholic drink.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that our society promotes the use of alcohol as a cure for all ills. If you look at the storylines on all of the Soaps, drinking features heavily, as did smoking once.

It is relatively cheap and available so people are able to use and abuse it. Much of the traffic through A &E departments is alcohol related. Alcohol related diseases are costing the Health Service dearly.

Illness? Maybe once the addiction has set in.

I do believe some people have addictive personalities and that traits run in families. Not sure if Society at large is willing or able to change the culture of alcohol consumption though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Illness? Maybe once the addiction has set in."

People choose to drink excessively and choose to keep doing so. Somewhere along the line you have to take responsibility.

Addiction is an illness, it's a mental illness in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having lost my brother in law to alcoholism earlier this year (at the age of 55, the same as CK) I know how destructive it can be to a person and his family and friends.

By being tolerant to alcohol, as an accepted societal norm, doesn't make it any easier to be an alcoholic though, that is down to the individual and the choices they make in their life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My nan was an alcoholic, my mum was an alcoholic, I have several uncles who are alcoholics. I had a drink problem for a few years, but its now under control.

I do have an addictive nature, thankfully sex is now that outlet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure about genetic. Addictive traits quite possibly, doesn't necessarily mean that the addiction will manifest in the same way.

My Father in law was an alchoholic, and my husband is alchohol dependant. It is hard work to support and care for someone going down that route. To anyone I would say get support yourself

because until there is a willingness to change then there is little can be done.

My father in law had been sober for 20 years but the damage had been done.

Losing him last year to cancer of the liver which had spread to other organs. He also had kidney failure.

It was horrific to watch him in his last hours, and we were there right at the end.

I hoped seeing his Dad suffer would change something inside. But no. Not at all.

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By *allipygousMan
over a year ago

Leicester

When I started work many moons ago I thought it odd how many peoples response to "How was your weekend?" would be along the lines of "Great, I had 10 pints on Saturday".

When your enjoyment of something is dependent on the consumption of alcohol then, whether you care to admit or not, you have a problem.

The same applies to those who can't go a day without "having a tipple".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As many of you know I come from a Polish background where drinking is almost a social responsibility. I was introduced to alcohol at a young age, usually vodka between courses of meals or during songs sung around the dinner table.

My father was always the one who drank more than anyone else though, I wouldn't say he was an alcoholic but he drank double what everyone else would drink and it often caused issues, especially at Christmas.

When my first daughter was born I made a conscious decision not to be like him so I pretty much quit drinking altogether, I also think that decision helped with my PTSD.

I don't have an issue with people having a drink, I do have an issue with d*unks though (which is unfortunate because I have to deal with them on a daily basis in my professional life).

On a bright note, my father hasn't had a drink since December and he's amazed at how much better he feels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that our society promotes the use of alcohol as a cure for all ills. If you look at the storylines on all of the Soaps, drinking features heavily, as did smoking once.

Illness? Maybe once the addiction has set in.

I do believe some people have addictive personalities and that traits run in families. Not sure if Society at large is willing or able to change the culture of alcohol consumption though."

Spot on although wouldn't just say that alcohol is costly the health service but also clogging up time of the emergency services dealing with fights, car crashes, reckless and unruly behaviour caused by excessive drinking.

Most activities that have an age limit on aren't allowed on our screens before watershed and though know might make for a dull episode of Enders, Corrie or Dale without their respective pubs should drinking be included?

Personally I don't know but if it reduced alcoholism and the drinking culture that has drawn brit's a bad reputation abroad surely worth thinking about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I started work many moons ago I thought it odd how many peoples response to "How was your weekend?" would be along the lines of "Great, I had 10 pints on Saturday".

When your enjoyment of something is dependent on the consumption of alcohol then, whether you care to admit or not, you have a problem

The same applies to those who can't go a day without "having a tipple"."

I agree. It seems to be a socially accepted thing now. People I work with do it. Their kids also do it, one to the point of collapsing in his own vom. But thats ok apparently, it's what kids do so I was told

Well mine never did. Neither did their friends....

I can take it or leave it. I see the damage it can do. I prefer a nice meal out. Or cinema, or a theatre trip. You do not need alcholol to enjoy yourself at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I often need a drink to settle my nerves. And as i finding driving so stressful will often take a knip from my hip flask on long journeys, just for my nerves. Likewise i sometimes have panic attacks before i commence some of the more complicated brain surgeries I'm tasked with, i find my hand steadied with a fine single malt or can of white lightening..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I often need a drink to settle my nerves. And as i finding driving so stressful will often take a knip from my hip flask on long journeys, just for my nerves. Likewise i sometimes have panic attacks before i commence some of the more complicated brain surgeries I'm tasked with, i find my hand steadied with a fine single malt or can of white lightening..

Not Funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not Funny

No. I have worked in hospitals and some of the nedical staff I knew were heavy drinkers. Stress can drive yiu down that route.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I come from a family of heavy drinkers my parents were until they had health issues but there is always wine and sprits in the house, my danish family most are alcoholics or recovering alcoholics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone actually believe making booze more expensive would curb alcohol consumption or would it just push people towards different 'highs'?

When I was younget, home brewing and wine making were very popular hobbies. Not so much today. Perhaps because alcohol is so cheap.

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By *heOwlMan
over a year ago

Altrincham

The problem with alcohol is that it is a deceptively addictive substance, it can creep up on a person and by the time it has them in its grip, a lot of the time there is no shaking it off.

On top of this there really isn't that much support to help those in its grip. Yes there is AA but that only works for a small number. There are a small number of addiction centres but they are prohibitively expensive and few and far between unless you live in the south of the country. But perhaps the most damaging is there is virtually no sympathy for the victims, as most people just refer to them as d*unks, or they did it to themselves.

If one then looks at society I used to wonder how we don't have more people suffering from alcohol abuse, until I realised that we do we just don’t see it - there are an awful lot of functioning alcoholics out there.

It is very easy to sit here and try to put it down to addictive personalities or heavy drinkers or any other excuse, but at the end of the day we are ALL at risk of slipping into that alcohol void under certain, circumstances. Alcohol is used as a form of stress relief, similar to cigarettes used to be. Just like cigarettes, after a while the dosage needs to increase to gain the same relief, and t some point it can tip over the edge.

Would increasing the cost make any difference? Probably not, other than increase the level of debt the victim ends up in once addicted. Instead we need to change the way society views alcohol in the first place. After all how often do you hear the phrase 'I need a drink' and we don't bat an eyelid about it? How many go home and reach to the wine to relax after a days work? We need to stop thinking of alcohol as a magic stress relief and become a LOT more sympathetic to those who have slipped into its grip - remembering that it could just as easily be any one of us.

(For the record I do drink, but having seen a relative die through alcohol related ailments, I don't drink a lot, even on a night out.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it worse than obesity? As a health concern to the individual or as a cost to the tax payer?

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By *heOwlMan
over a year ago

Altrincham

"Is it worse than obesity? As a health concern to the individual or as a cost to the tax payer?"

YES

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it worse than obesity? As a health concern to the individual or as a cost to the tax payer?

YES"

I don't see hospital equipment being modified to cope with peoples alcohol intake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it worse than obesity? As a health concern to the individual or as a cost to the tax payer?"

That is an age old question. Smokers get lots of support, obese people get lots of support. Alchoholics do not.

Where is the line drawn? You could consider that everyone is taking risks/ making lifestyle choices one way or another, through addictions ( ok, it's more complex than that ) but hobbies they undertake, jobs they do, methods of transport so how can it be

differentiated?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Alcohol isn't the problem, it's the people who take it to excess that are.

I regularly drink, as do all of my family. My daughter will be brought up having big family all day lunches involving food and wine, after dinner spirits, coffee etc..

It's about how it's introduced I think. If it's introduced as part of life, rather than something you go nuts with on a weekend, I don't see a problem.

In this country we seem to have a "live for the weekend" attitude, where people are good all week, and then do whatever they want at the weekend. I personally find that way of living damaging as it actively encourages people to take things way beyond in all areas.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Alcohol is the most dangerous of all drugs, according to a study that was funded by the last Labour government into the damage caused by many recreational drugs.

The study looked at damage to the user as well as collateral damage to society as a whole and whilst heroin and crack cocaine were viewed as more damaging to the user, when factoring in the compounded damage to society as well, alcohol took first place.

Unfortunately, this was not the result that the Labour government wanted and so the study group was disbanded and the report ignored.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Its endemic..

saw the results of it in the forces in the 70's and 80's and tbh it was only when someone close said to me i was kicking the arse out of it i looked at my 'socialising'..

also seen it in a blue light public service where during that same period it was customary to have bars in the actual workplace with the inevitable peer pressure that brought..

we have a real problem in this country and thousands are dying annually which if this was due to any other cause would cause properly funded action to reduce and prevent the toll..

it wrecks lives literally, families and its clearly not something that many can control so do we as a society accept this ongoing very expensive waste of peoples potential and often lives or do we need some stronger form of intervention by whomever..?

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

If you're inability to control yourself leads to the Police being involved, and wasting the time and resources of the NHS - it's bad.

You should be fined, and made to do community service.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you're inability to control yourself leads to the Police being involved, and wasting the time and resources of the NHS - it's bad.

You should be fined, and made to do community service."
this

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

Alcoholism is an illness, rarely something that is welcomed by the victim of it

So the NHS don't ever waste their resources treating these poor individuals

And those that think the opposite, shame on you!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I think we need to realise that neither having the occasional drink, having a drink every day, getting occasionally d*unk or even getting d*unk quite regularly are the same thing as being an alcoholic. The first 4 have mainly social effects (some good, some bad) the latter is a serious medical condition that requires treatment."

Sorry, that should read 'are not the same thing'

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If you're inability to control yourself leads to the Police being involved, and wasting the time and resources of the NHS - it's bad.

You should be fined, and made to do community service."

same for children who do things like fall of their bikes, roller skates etc..?

people who play sport..?

anyone who has an accident..?

yes your primary point that's its bad is not in doubt but you may want to look at your solution from a more objective perspective perhaps..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Funnily enough I suffer from essential tremor a hereditary thing which alcohol actually helps!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you're inability to control yourself leads to the Police being involved, and wasting the time and resources of the NHS - it's bad.

You should be fined, and made to do community service. this

Yes, but that's not alcoholism, but problems created by the consumption of alcohol

Being an alcoholic and consuming excess alcohol are not the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you're inability to control yourself leads to the Police being involved, and wasting the time and resources of the NHS - it's bad.

You should be fined, and made to do community service. this

Yes, but that's not alcoholism, but problems created by the consumption of alcohol

Being an alcoholic and consuming excess alcohol are not the same thing. "

btw my current avatar has no bearing in this discussion

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

"If you're inability to control yourself leads to the Police being involved, and wasting the time and resources of the NHS - it's bad.

You should be fined, and made to do community service.

same for children who do things like fall of their bikes, roller skates etc..?

people who play sport..?

anyone who has an accident..?

yes your primary point that's its bad is not in doubt but you may want to look at your solution from a more objective perspective perhaps.."

No thanks.

Nobody is forcing you into a bar.

Nobody is force feeding you alcohol.

Most people have a brain, it may be small, and something tells you the room's spinning, I don't feel so good.

If you carry on drinking it's your decision.

You should pay.

Insurance companies don't pay out if alcohol is to blame.

Nobody says,"I'm going out today to break my leg playing football today."

People do say," I'm going out tonight to get hammered,smashed, pissed or whatever term you care to use. The effect is desired and premeditated.

Have you heard of anyone disconnecting the brakes on their bike and loosening the front wheel before cycling down a steep hill just so they have a "really good crash?"

You should get out more.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"If you're inability to control yourself leads to the Police being involved, and wasting the time and resources of the NHS - it's bad.

You should be fined, and made to do community service.

same for children who do things like fall of their bikes, roller skates etc..?

people who play sport..?

anyone who has an accident..?

yes your primary point that's its bad is not in doubt but you may want to look at your solution from a more objective perspective perhaps..

No thanks.

Nobody is forcing you into a bar.

Nobody is force feeding you alcohol.

Most people have a brain, it may be small, and something tells you the room's spinning, I don't feel so good.

If you carry on drinking it's your decision.

You should pay.

Insurance companies don't pay out if alcohol is to blame.

Nobody says,"I'm going out today to break my leg playing football today."

People do say," I'm going out tonight to get hammered,smashed, pissed or whatever term you care to use. The effect is desired and premeditated.

Have you heard of anyone disconnecting the brakes on their bike and loosening the front wheel before cycling down a steep hill just so they have a "really good crash?"

You should get out more."

So at what level of alcohol do we decide that if a person has an accident they should have to pay rather than be treated normally like everyone else?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If you're inability to control yourself leads to the Police being involved, and wasting the time and resources of the NHS - it's bad.

You should be fined, and made to do community service.

same for children who do things like fall of their bikes, roller skates etc..?

people who play sport..?

anyone who has an accident..?

yes your primary point that's its bad is not in doubt but you may want to look at your solution from a more objective perspective perhaps..

No thanks.

Nobody is forcing you into a bar.

Nobody is force feeding you alcohol.

Most people have a brain, it may be small, and something tells you the room's spinning, I don't feel so good.

If you carry on drinking it's your decision.

You should pay.

Insurance companies don't pay out if alcohol is to blame.

Nobody says,"I'm going out today to break my leg playing football today."

People do say," I'm going out tonight to get hammered,smashed, pissed or whatever term you care to use. The effect is desired and premeditated.

Have you heard of anyone disconnecting the brakes on their bike and loosening the front wheel before cycling down a steep hill just so they have a "really good crash?"

You should get out more."

thanks for the lifestyle advice but will give it a miss today ty..

and perhaps yes cos its sunny but there are so many interesting people to discuss stuff with..

at what point do people need to be doing community service and paying a fine if they have used the resources of the health service and had an accident..

a small glass of wine..

a pint, even one and a half on the way home etc..?

anyone taking part in sport knows there is the potential for injury whereby the resources etc etc ..

so is it just people who have consumed alcohol..?

by the way if you look at my earlier post you will see on the excesses and the costs not just monetary btw there is common ground that its not big and not clever but your 'solution' is ill thought out to be the answer..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

started at 9am..just the bucky though..on my way to work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work with a lot of middle aged, middle class people who will drink a bottle of wine between two of them every night during the week, which to me feels loads. I don't drink during the week and I don't drink on my own. But every so often I fancy going out and getting shitfaced, so I'm the one who people would probably say drinks too much, go figure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

us poor smokers ,are the new lepers yet when did a smoker kill anybody in a car because they had afag for the road yet drinkers do so everyday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I work with a lot of middle aged, middle class people who will drink a bottle of wine between two of them every night during the week, which to me feels loads. I don't drink during the week and I don't drink on my own. But every so often I fancy going out and getting shitfaced, so I'm the one who people would probably say drinks too much, go figure. "

One Bottle doesn't sound like a lot to people who drink regularly, a lot of the guys I work with are heavy drinkers.

Three or four cans a night doesn't sound much or even cost much but count the units across the week then the numbers get bigger and scarier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One Bottle doesn't sound like a lot to people who drink regularly, a lot of the guys I work with are heavy drinkers.

Three or four cans a night doesn't sound much or even cost much but count the units across the week then the numbers get bigger and scarier "

Half a bottle of wine is easily 5 units, again doesn't sound much but the recommended daily units for a woman is 2 or 3. So drinking that every day and then probably a bottle on their own on a Saturday to me is way too much, but all the focus has tended to be on young drinkers so they think it's ok.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I've worked with addicts of various shades. I can confidently say that alcoholics are the most difficult, surly and aggressive of the lot and that alcohol is the most ubiquitous and socially acceptable drug there is

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk

"Its endemic..

we have a real problem in this country and thousands are dying annually which if this was due to any other cause would cause properly funded action to reduce and prevent the toll..

Spot on...

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

Ive just treated myself to a bottle of red. Was going to indulge myself and have my first glass tonight since Christmas whist watching Game of Thrones. But I dont think Ill bother now

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Ive just treated myself to a bottle of red. Was going to indulge myself and have my first glass tonight since Christmas whist watching Game of Thrones. But I dont think Ill bother now

You can always share!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ive just treated myself to a bottle of red. Was going to indulge myself and have my first glass tonight since Christmas whist watching Game of Thrones. But I dont think Ill bother now

I'm still going out celebrating a pay rise with prosecco

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I never have d*unk alone and seldom have more than two, maybe three occasionally, when I do go out but occasionally I do go well over the top and have been known to get more than just a little tipsy. Problem is I just end up getting really stupid and laughing at things that just aren't really funny.

But, like the saying goes, everything in moderation, including the occasional overindulgence.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Ive just treated myself to a bottle of red. Was going to indulge myself and have my first glass tonight since Christmas whist watching Game of Thrones. But I dont think Ill bother now

I'm still going out celebrating a pay rise with prosecco

Wish I was going out in Newcastle tonight.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ive just treated myself to a bottle of red. Was going to indulge myself and have my first glass tonight since Christmas whist watching Game of Thrones. But I dont think Ill bother now

I didn't want the thread to mean, no one can ever drink again. Many of us, have our own barometer of how much is safe for us to drink. Some others though, don't have it and that's difficult for them to deal with.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've worked with addicts of various shades. I can confidently say that alcoholics are the most difficult, surly and aggressive of the lot and that alcohol is the most ubiquitous and socially acceptable drug there is "

I have too and I just find it so hard to watch, where it has lead some people to get to in their life. Some do turn it around though and I know a few that have.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't mind alcohol being socially acceptable but I do find the acceptance and even encouragement of d*unkenness a bit sad.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

When I worked in a wet hostel in London dealing with alocoholics on a daily basis it was ironic that Many of the staff including me would often all go out for a drink to unwind. I cannot abide by strong largess though such as tennants super I do think more work needs to be done to tackle the alocohol content in some largess. I did some work with a charity in London around this as they were campaigning to lower the alcohol content and make it more expensive to buy. Considering you can get a can of super strong cider for 99p says it all

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm all for personal choice but I really can't see why anybody would want high alcohol stuff unless its to get d*unk quicker. If you enjoy cider and drink it for its taste and the slight buzz alcohol gives a normal strength one would do, or am I missing something?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Most of the guys would drink tennants super and fake cider. Tennants super has a 9% alcohol content and some would easily get through 10 cans a day. As a heavy drinker/alcoholic you become tolerant to lower alcohol content drinks so you need the higher ones to get a buzz plus it's much cheaper than liquor

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I'm afraid you are. I don't drink regularly or much when I do but I can definitely say that higher strength larger tastes much better to me than your average, nats pea like, fosters or bud. However, on a hot day a really nice cold bud can just hit the mark.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm about to have some alcohol. Anyone joining me?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm on my second pint, I feel ill equipped to comment.

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over a year ago

I think it's the same as smoking and doing drugs. An I feel sorry for all the silent victims.

The poor spouses at home and children that hyyouto suffer the aftermath.

An even the poor drinkers who can only find release via adapting there blood chemistry with potentially toxins mixtures just like junkies.

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over a year ago

biological father was an alcoholic..

my mum was a party animal, id often see her 'squiffy'

i vowed id not be like that. never was a drinker and now im a lone/single parent i very, very rarely have a drink.

i like the fact i could hop in my car and drive to a hospital if i ever needed too

i almost pitty those who drink alone or feel the need to have a drink in order to relax/chill out

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over a year ago

"biological father was an alcoholic..

my mum was a party animal, id often see her 'squiffy'

i vowed id not be like that. never was a drinker and now im a lone/single parent i very, very rarely have a drink.

i like the fact i could hop in my car and drive to a hospital if i ever needed too

i almost pitty those who drink alone or feel the need to have a drink in order to relax/chill out

"
huge hug I know what it's like to have alcohol dependents in the family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well if you drink mega brewery piss then what do you expect ?

You don't need to have a high abv drink to find one which is tasty and has plenty of flavour

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over a year ago

I don't think having a glass or two alone is such a bad thing.

Where you drink isn't the problem, it's how much you drink that is.

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By *otgymfitanymoreCouple
over a year ago

pontefract

"Alcohol isn't the problem, it's the people who take it to excess that are.

I regularly drink, as do all of my family. My daughter will be brought up having big family all day lunches involving food and wine, after dinner spirits, coffee etc..

It's about how it's introduced I think. If it's introduced as part of life, rather than something you go nuts with on a weekend, I don't see a problem.

Just what I was going to say! ??

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I don't think having a glass or two alone is such a bad thing.

Where you drink isn't the problem, it's how much you drink that is."

Umm. Not so sure about that. Bit of both maybe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Alcohol is the worst drug on the planet but people get rich from it so it's fine!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm about to have some alcohol. Anyone joining me?

We are on the spritzers xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems ingrained into our being.

Hard day at work? Have a drink.

Partner left you? Have a drink.

Etc.

I don't mind being around d*unk people, but I know how fast it can turn ugly.

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