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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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Looks like it - it's not an amnesty, but if you can provide a good reason, there is every chance the penalty will be dropped.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had the fine dropped before and I'd like to think my reason for it being late was decent enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's definitely doable in terms of getting a fine removed unless you mess up with the new rti payroll scheme.

Once you start getting into £10 a day generally you have no chance

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

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I thought it was an odd, and possibly counter-productive, announcement.

You've always been able to give a reason for filing late and if it's accepted avoid the £100 fine.

The fact that huge numbers of people seem to wait until January 30th to even start doing their tax returns this is just going to lodge in their memory and they'll start on 31st now and file on 3rd Feb.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I might ask my employers to give me an extra £100!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

We're getting a dog.

"The dog ate it" has GOT to be on the approved list of excuses right?

Mr.ddc

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich

"Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

No. If you are doing Self Assessment - you have 10 months to file your submission. It's not that blooming hard to do!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just did my Limited Company accounts with two days to go.

If you keep up to date and you know the numbers then using commonsense for free rather than paying for an accountant to press the buttons for you is simple enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

HMRC have messed up pretty much everything they've ever done for me so it's only fair that they cut some slack too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

Is the answer not contained within the term "reasonable?"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

Is the answer not contained within the term "reasonable?""

Was the question not...is it right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

Is the answer not contained within the term "reasonable?"

Was the question not...is it right?"

Erm, if the excuse is reasonable, then yes, it is right.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

Is the answer not contained within the term "reasonable?"

Was the question not...is it right?

Erm, if the excuse is reasonable, then yes, it is right.

I don't agree, a deadline is a deadline! If my car tax isn't up to date and I'm stopped, I can't say such and such, I'm fined!

If it's a rule then in my opinion, regardless of circumstance, then it should be enforced!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What if you paid your car tax but some how the system is messed up it says you haven't? A rule is a rule after all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

Is the answer not contained within the term "reasonable?"

Was the question not...is it right?

Erm, if the excuse is reasonable, then yes, it is right.

I don't agree, a deadline is a deadline! If my car tax isn't up to date and I'm stopped, I can't say such and such, I'm fined!

If it's a rule then in my opinion, regardless of circumstance, then it should be enforced!

If your car tax is not up to date then your car insurance is invalid. Not exactly a valid comparison.

Heck, even if you are found guilty of, say, assault then mitigating circumstances are taken into account when sentencing.

If you do not file your tax return by the deadline and have a reasonable excuse for that, why should you face an automatic fine? As I stated, the key is that word "reasonable." It allows for sensible decisions to be made. Why object to that?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

Is the answer not contained within the term "reasonable?"

Was the question not...is it right?

Erm, if the excuse is reasonable, then yes, it is right.

I don't agree, a deadline is a deadline! If my car tax isn't up to date and I'm stopped, I can't say such and such, I'm fined!

If it's a rule then in my opinion, regardless of circumstance, then it should be enforced!

If your car tax is not up to date then your car insurance is invalid. Not exactly a valid comparison.

Heck, even if you are found guilty of, say, assault then mitigating circumstances are taken into account when sentencing.

I knew the car tax comparison was a weak one.

However I do still think it's not right in today's climate that people are let off.

Again just my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

Is the answer not contained within the term "reasonable?"

Was the question not...is it right?

Erm, if the excuse is reasonable, then yes, it is right.

I don't agree, a deadline is a deadline! If my car tax isn't up to date and I'm stopped, I can't say such and such, I'm fined!

If it's a rule then in my opinion, regardless of circumstance, then it should be enforced!

If your car tax is not up to date then your car insurance is invalid. Not exactly a valid comparison.

Heck, even if you are found guilty of, say, assault then mitigating circumstances are taken into account when sentencing.

I knew the car tax comparison was a weak one.

However I do still think it's not right in today's climate that people are let off.

Again just my opinion"

It is clearly your opinion. I do find it difficult to understand why you find "reasonable" an unreasonable approach, though.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Reasonable to you, may be different to me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reasonable to you, may be different to me!

Yes, it is subjective. Better to include it than not in my opinion. I still fail to see why you want a strict liability situation. If it is not my fault, why should I be fined?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People have 10 months to do it, it would have to be a pretty bloody reasonable excuse for me to want to let them off.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People have 10 months to do it, it would have to be a pretty bloody reasonable excuse for me to want to let them off. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If it's not your fault, then whose is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Meh, live by the sword, die by the sword.

If they want people to do things properly they should at least do things properly themselves.

I'm glad they are reasonable about things although I admit it does leave grey areas.

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

There will always those who take advantage.

We used to rent our house out as we lived abroad, stopped renting it out and the following year did not receive a self assessment form as we had moved again. Three years later contacted the taxman about an issue and was hit with a £300 fine. Explained that I did not realise I had to inform the taxman about my change of address every time we moved and no longer renting property out and they only waved the charge. It took a further four years before they agreed I could stopped doing self assessment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it's not your fault, then whose is it?"

I am sorry but I have been suffering from cancer for the last month and have not been able to get round to filing my tax return.

Do you think that might be reasonable grounds?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Without sounding callous, providing medical evidence was submitted, then yes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

Everyone should pay tue same tax percentage regardless of wages earned. People get punished for trying to better themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Without sounding callous, providing medical evidence was submitted, then yes!"

Then you have answered your own question. If you have reasonable grounds for not submitting your tax return on time, then you should not be fined.

Why would you ever think otherwise?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Because as mentioned by another poster, you have 10 months to sort it, also you could get a family member or an accountant to do it! There are ways I'm sure!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because as mentioned by another poster, you have 10 months to sort it, also you could get a family member or an accountant to do it! There are ways I'm sure!"

You are persistent. If you have reasonable grounds for missing the deadline, then your grounds are reasonable. No?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Because as mentioned by another poster, you have 10 months to sort it, also you could get a family member or an accountant to do it! There are ways I'm sure!

You are persistent. If you have reasonable grounds for missing the deadline, then your grounds are reasonable. No?"

As mentioned, there are ways around it, so I'm still of the opinion the fine should be enforced!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because as mentioned by another poster, you have 10 months to sort it, also you could get a family member or an accountant to do it! There are ways I'm sure!

You are persistent. If you have reasonable grounds for missing the deadline, then your grounds are reasonable. No?

As mentioned, there are ways around it, so I'm still of the opinion the fine should be enforced!

Even if it is unreasonable? Sheesh ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yep...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

Since when has it ever been £100 quid.

I got my last lot in late and I got a £590 fine.

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By *aitinkCouple
over a year ago

York

Once upon a time the Inland Revenue did my taxes for me, aggregated all the little banky payments and sent me a cheque when I over paid. Some clever clogs figured out they would make more money by making us do our taxes because we wouldn't be able to claim all our allowances and not a few of us would miss all sorts of odd deadlines.

WTF

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I mat be wrong because I always did mine myself but I think they will still do your tax return for you if you give them all the information before a certain date.

But yeah, everything about the system is a bit fucked and it will probably be one of the first things I demolish and rebuild when I take over the world.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Is it right, that those who were late with self assessment forms, should be let off with the £100 fine, if they provide a reasonable excuse?

Since when has it ever been £100 quid.

I got my last lot in late and I got a £590 fine. "

They may have added interest to the fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep...

If you support fines in unreasonable circumstances, then please review your attitude.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Reasonable or unreasonable a fine is a fine and a deadline a deadline!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reasonable or unreasonable a fine is a fine and a deadline a deadline!

I give up on that one. An unreasonable fine is by definition unreasonable. If you cannot take that on board then you are ... Unreasonable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I come back to the 10 months thing. 10 MONTHS! It's ages, to do something that really isn't difficult. If your tax affairs are complicated enough for it to be difficult, get an accountant to do it.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I come back to the 10 months thing. 10 MONTHS! It's ages, to do something that really isn't difficult. If your tax affairs are complicated enough for it to be difficult, get an accountant to do it."

Procrastinators unite! Why do today what you can put off until after the deadline?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I come back to the 10 months thing. 10 MONTHS! It's ages, to do something that really isn't difficult."

Hey lady, stop making me feel bad for being such a shitty adult.

"Procrastinators unite!"

Maybe tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A deadline is a deadline! I'm stubborn, I'm not budging!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The factoid I find fascinating the number of people who file on Christmas Day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The factoid I find fascinating the number of people who file on Christmas Day.

It's less painful than spending time with family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A deadline is a deadline! I'm stubborn, I'm not budging!

And "unreasonable" kind of covers that, does it not? Unreasonable = fine. Reasonable = no fine.

That is wrong?

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

I hear on the BBC that HMRC won't be checking the veracity of the excuses, so yes some people will take the piss and get away with it.

None of us likes paying taxes, but we all benefit from healthcare, defence, education etc, which has to be paid for.

Those dodging taxes are stealing from those of us that pay.

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