FabSwingers.com forum: Parking Tickets

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just received a "Parking Charge Notice" from ParkingEye for staying more than two hours at Fleet Services (I had worked all night and fallen asleep). T'internet suggests an appeal is often successful when dealing with these private firms, does anyone have experience of appealing these things?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plead insanity

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Just received a "Parking Charge Notice" from ParkingEye for staying more than two hours at Fleet Services (I had worked all night and fallen asleep). T'internet suggests an appeal is often successful when dealing with these private firms, does anyone have experience of appealing these things?"

Good luck.

Clearly displayed terms and conditions for parking, details of fines if the two hours are exceeded. ANPR cameras.

You do the crime.........,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plead insanity

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I got off with it but they did institutionalise me for 5 years!

Best thing they ever did for this country institutions!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Google it i believe you can if its an invitation to pay x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never paid these private company 'fines'

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

See the private Parking forum on

pepipoo(dot)com

or Private Parking Tickets & Clamping forum on moneysavingexpert(dot)com

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By *ippcoupe2Couple
over a year ago

cahir/cashel

google you-tube " parking eye" there is a guy on there with several you-tube vids about taking on various parking fine companies and bailiffs. he is a para legal and puts the shits across them and records fone convos and posts them on u tube. absolutely brilliant stuff

good luck

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman
over a year ago

B & M Bargains

"See the private Parking forum on

pepipoo(dot)com

or Private Parking Tickets & Clamping forum on moneysavingexpert(dot)com"

back in the day you could just ignore them, now you need to appeal.

Parking Charge Notice is different from a Penanlty Charge Notice.. It's just a scam to get your money and not worth them enforcing if you appeal correctly.

Look at the websites above

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman
over a year ago

B & M Bargains

"See the private Parking forum on

pepipoo(dot)com

or Private Parking Tickets & Clamping forum on moneysavingexpert(dot)com

back in the day you could just ignore them, now you need to appeal.

Parking Charge Notice is different from a Penanlty Charge Notice.. It's just a scam to get your money and not worth them enforcing if you appeal correctly.

Look at the websites above"

FFS *penalty (stupid fingers!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very much doubt you can argue with it. Your best hope used to be to argue that they only had a case to charge you for lost revenue ( 2xhourly rate), but a recent test case put that to bed.

I managed it, only because I put in the wrong reg in the machine. The reg of my other car, which was at home. They allowed this as an honest mistake and I hadn't overstayed the time on my ticket.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

radical suggestion ...pay it ..you overstayed the time you were allowed to be parked there

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

Ignore it.

They can't enforce payment without taking you to court.

Then they can only claim for their loss. Parking is free for two hours, then £5-00 an hour.

You owe them a fiver.

You still don't have to pay unless they enforce judgement. Until then pay nothing, you won't be clamped, or towed away.

I had one at Lidl, see previous post, and heard nothing since January.

I had another at Moto Services Exeter, I just had to sleep, and overstayed, a couple of years ago, again heard nothing.

It's all pseudo official Crap designed to make you cough up. DON'T.

If it's from the Council or Police, different altogether, pay asap or they'll have the shirt off your back.

Parking companies are scumbags like pirates.

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

"See the private Parking forum on

pepipoo(dot)com

or Private Parking Tickets & Clamping forum on moneysavingexpert(dot)com

back in the day you could just ignore them, now you need to appeal.

Parking Charge Notice is different from a Penanlty Charge Notice.. It's just a scam to get your money and not worth them enforcing if you appeal correctly.

Look at the websites above"

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman
over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

Pay up

Be a man lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Send them a postal order or cheque for the cost of an overnight. They'll leave it at that. If you want an idea of text, DM me and I'll give you what I sent. Never heard from again that was with welcome break. Even if you're a few days after, call the truck stop and speak to the manager, they'll let you pay the night rate. I just done this with Abington.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not a fine, it's legally unenforceable so bin and ignore!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Damn things.

It's like. ... all the cameras are out to get me.

Let's have Ben. ......lets get him!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good luck.interesting mixture of views on this one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone that collects parking tickets on a regular basis i find that the private parking companies will pursue you like a jack russel with a wasp in its mouth!! if you try to avoid or argue with them .

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

DON'T just ignore it - that used to work, but not any longer. Do your research and go through the appeals process.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"DON'T just ignore it - that used to work, but not any longer. Do your research and go through the appeals process."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"DON'T just ignore it - that used to work, but not any longer. Do your research and go through the appeals process."

I just burn them.

If they really want to they'll send another one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Make a POPLA (or Parking on Private Land Appeals) as the fine is based on breach of contract anfvtgeyre charging you to much. Just goggle POPLA (other search engines are available)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ignore the letters. They are unenforceable. They might send you 2 or 3 letters with more threats to sue you each time.

As someone has already said, it is not worth their time taking you to court. It's just scare tactics.

I've had a few over the years and have ignored all of them.

Whatever you do, don't reply to the letter in any way what so ever.

Just bin the letter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone has already said, it is not worth their time taking you to court. It's just scare tactics.

Begs the question of how they make money though.

I'm guessing the amount of people who ignore these private firms is quite high.

The only ones I actually pay are the council ones, because they really do nail you as I've found out several times.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"Ignore the letters. They are unenforceable. They might send you 2 or 3 letters with more threats to sue you each time.

As someone has already said, it is not worth their time taking you to court. It's just scare tactics.

I've had a few over the years and have ignored all of them.

Whatever you do, don't reply to the letter in any way what so ever.

Just bin the letter "

Sorry, but this used to be the case, but if you do a web search you'll see that Parking Eye in particular, are taking people to court, and judges are awarding hundreds of pounds compensation to them. This change started a couple of months ago - when was the last time you tried ignoring one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Correct - things have changed recently.

Google it.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Correct - things have changed recently.

Google it."

It was covered on R4 too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Barry Beavis... Apparently the appeal against his parking charge is going to the Supreme court.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't pay it not enforceable

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Correct - things have changed recently.

Google it.

It was covered on R4 too.

Test case in the High Court - judgement given at end of April - appears to favour Parking Eye. sadly!

Fight is not over as Beavis may be taking it to Supreme Court .

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By *heCrowAndButterflyCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"Make a POPLA (or Parking on Private Land Appeals) as the fine is based on breach of contract anfvtgeyre charging you to much. Just goggle POPLA (other search engines are available) "

You can only appeal to POPLA after you appeal to the issuer if they reject your appeal not sure about parking eye but most of them you can ignore it cost them more to pursue you than it make financial sense to carry on for to long, some companys now make bulk request to the small claims courts though watch out for them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Local authority parking fines you must pay. Got stung in Stoke once ended up paying 500 for a parking fine and they were within there rights. I would personally pay even though they are a private company knowing you outstayed your time limit. Should be half price if paid within 14 days

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Ignore the letters. They are unenforceable. They might send you 2 or 3 letters with more threats to sue you each time.

As someone has already said, it is not worth their time taking you to court. It's just scare tactics.

I've had a few over the years and have ignored all of them.

Whatever you do, don't reply to the letter in any way what so ever.

Just bin the letter "

This is no longer true so for your own financial well being, do not follow this advise.

Parking Eye are taking people to Court in ever increasing numbers. They have had plenty of time and experience to get their methodology right and unless you follow exactly the requirements of POPLA you will not have a leg to stand on. You will get taken to court, you will have to pay the charge as well as their and your costs.

If you have any doubts check your local Court and see just how many cases now involve Parking Eye.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To summarise :

By parking, you enter a contract. As clearly set out by the highly visible board with terms and conditions, and penalties on it*.

You breach the contract, you pay up, sooner or later.

*If this is in any way defective or lacking, the parking company can't enforce *their* desired yet unspecified contract.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To summarise :

By parking, you enter a contract. As clearly set out by the highly visible board with terms and conditions, and penalties on it*.

You breach the contract, you pay up, sooner or later.

*If this is in any way defective or lacking, the parking company can't enforce *their* desired yet unspecified contract.

"
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Even a tight arse from yorkshire knows when it's time to pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had exactly the same, look on the parking forums that have been mentioned already.

I used the template letters asking them to justify how I had incurred their costs, being that it was 2 am and the car park was empty Etc.. They then threaten court, just sent letter back again saying I would be happy to put my points forward in court. They gave up in the end. This country is a joke considering that there is an safety advert on the radio telling drivers to pull in at services if tired, have a coffee and a nap then carry on your journey. Whilst at the same time passing statute laws to enable these vultures to continue praying on motorists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They managed to get law changed so they can now just fine the owner of the vehicle for not telling them who was driving. Before the owner could not be pursued if they ignored the letter.

Obviously some Bent politician was paid to get that one through!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Put it in the bin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's with this paying to park malarkey anyway. Doesn't everyone park on the pavements these days?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ignore the letters. They are unenforceable. They might send you 2 or 3 letters with more threats to sue you each time.

As someone has already said, it is not worth their time taking you to court. It's just scare tactics.

I've had a few over the years and have ignored all of them.

Whatever you do, don't reply to the letter in any way what so ever.

Just bin the letter

This is no longer true so for your own financial well being, do not follow this advise.

If you have any doubts check your local Court and see just how many cases now involve Parking Eye.

After looking deeper into this, this is what would seem to be the case, that ParkingEye are starting to prosecute. I've started a POPLA claim.

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

"Had exactly the same, look on the parking forums that have been mentioned already.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

"why put up signs on motorway tiredness kills takeu a break, so you pull into service station have a nap go over 2 hours and get fined brilliant"

then pull over in a layby where you wont incur charges

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"there is an safety advert on the radio telling drivers to pull in at services if tired, have a coffee and a nap then carry on your journey. Whilst at the same time passing statute laws to enable these vultures to continue praying on motorists. agtee with this why put up signs on motorway tiredness kills take a break, so you pull into service station have a nap go over 2 hours and get fined brilliant"

I've had that before.

I was knackered. Pulled over into the services fell asleep.

Several weeks later I get letter through my door and a fine.

Ok. . So I should of carried on driving then? .. wouldn't want the risk of pulling info The services in case I take a nap which is exactly what the sign is telling me to do. ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"why put up signs on motorway tiredness kills takeu a break, so you pull into service station have a nap go over 2 hours and get fined brilliant

then pull over in a layby where you wont incur charges "

On the M6? ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't pay it unless they have 100% evidence.

If they just send you a picture of you coming and going, then pay nothing. They will write a few demanding letters and then fuck off if they're clever.

It's great fun

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Traffic Warden that come,s into our local got no friends had no friends before he was a warden he is just a C--T one of those sorts that no one like,s every one can not be wrong he,s small fat ginger and arrogant his say always got to have the last word also been told a wife beater

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

What are you getting him for Christmas, anything nice?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

GINGER! FFS - what is wrong with the world!

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

See WATCHDOG tonight. BBC1.

Bullying tactics of private parking companies. .

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Ignore it.

They can't enforce payment without taking you to court.

Then they can only claim for their loss. Parking is free for two hours, then £5-00 an hour.

You owe them a fiver.

You still don't have to pay unless they enforce judgement. Until then pay nothing, you won't be clamped, or towed away.

I had one at Lidl, see previous post, and heard nothing since January.

I had another at Moto Services Exeter, I just had to sleep, and overstayed, a couple of years ago, again heard nothing.

It's all pseudo official Crap designed to make you cough up. DON'T.

If it's from the Council or Police, different altogether, pay asap or they'll have the shirt off your back.

Parking companies are scumbags like pirates."

. These parking ccmpanies ensure that there are spaces available for those who obey the various regulations . I am unsure as to why people think they should be able to ignore the rules .

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

parking firms just been on watchdog try i player worth watching

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By *ary baileyCouple
over a year ago

basildon

"Don't pay it unless they have 100% evidence.

If they just send you a picture of you coming and going, then pay nothing. They will write a few demanding letters and then fuck off if they're clever.

It's great fun"
lol wasn't parked was driving around

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By *exWithThePrettyCouple
over a year ago

Ilford

"See the private Parking forum on

pepipoo(dot)com

This.

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By *exWithThePrettyCouple
over a year ago

Ilford

If it's your car then just wait for the notice to owner to arrive and take things from there. The paperwork is probably flawed. In the meantime go to pepipoo and browse.

Don't ignore things though. Things have recently changed and ignoring is old advice.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Traffic Warden that come,s into our local got no friends had no friends before he was a warden he is just a C--T one of those sorts that no one like,s every one can not be wrong he,s small fat ginger and arrogant his say always got to have the last word also been told a wife beater "
. A difficult job being a traffic warden. Without them there would be chaos . Parking spaces in congested areas are only available because traffic wardens ensure that the rules are adhered to. I appreciate their efforts .

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

"Traffic Warden that come,s into our local got no friends had no friends before he was a warden he is just a C--T one of those sorts that no one like,s every one can not be wrong he,s small fat ginger and arrogant his say always got to have the last word also been told a wife beater . A difficult job being a traffic warden. Without them there would be chaos . Parking spaces in congested areas are only available because traffic wardens ensure that the rules are adhered to. I appreciate their efforts . "

MAGGOTS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I took my mum shopping at christmas last year to Stockport,entered the car park and drove around and it was full so left under the barrier.Two weeks later an £80 fine dropped on my mat saying id parked without paying.Rang them up and asked for the pics off the cctv as proof and heard nothing back.All shisters out to rip us off,dont give them f all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You probably won't get off with it so tell them what are holes they are ..... Make you feel better lol

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

"Ignore it.

They can't enforce payment without taking you to court.

Then they can only claim for their loss. Parking is free for two hours, then £5-00 an hour.

You owe them a fiver.

You still don't have to pay unless they enforce judgement. Until then pay nothing, you won't be clamped, or towed away.

I had one at Lidl, see previous post, and heard nothing since January.

I had another at Moto Services Exeter, I just had to sleep, and overstayed, a couple of years ago, again heard nothing.

It's all pseudo official Crap designed to make you cough up. DON'T.

If it's from the Council or Police, different altogether, pay asap or they'll have the shirt off your back.

Parking companies are scumbags like pirates.

. These parking ccmpanies ensure that there are spaces available for those who obey the various regulations . I am unsure as to why people think they should be able to ignore the rules ."

Sod off. They don't, but perhaps they make a mistake, get it wrong, whatever.

Let it go to court, then at least your case will get heard with an impartial Bench that aren't paid per ticket.

Murder someone, and your mitigating circumstances are considered.

Get a parking fine and it doesn't matter if you can't read, we're having a miscarriage, or were abducted by aliens.

If the parking is free for two hours, you overstay by ten minutes, whilst using the facilities at the Motorway Services, and

spending on fuel, eating in the restaurant,buying Crap in the shop, oh! And stopping to sleep so as not to cause a multiple fatal accident on the Motorway, which then costs millions for repairs and medical bills and compensation claims,

I don't think a so called fine of £80 or £100 is fair,or reasonable,or represents any loss incurred by the land owner or business thereon.

Neither does it take your ability to pay into consideration.

Let them take you to court. They never will.

Of course none of this applies to you, because you are such an effing Saint.

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By *tep121Man
over a year ago

manchester

There's nothing they can do. The earlier post saying council and police are the only ones that can actually charge you. My dad got penalised on aldi car park. He paid. Then found out that you can just ignore them unless it's from council or police.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just an update on this. I appealed through POPLA and they found in my favour - official wording was "...the Operator does not have the authority of the landowner to issue parking charge notices".

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Just an update on this. I appealed through POPLA and they found in my favour - official wording was "...the Operator does not have the authority of the landowner to issue parking charge notices"."
Hopefully they will get authority to issue tickets asap. Parking spaces are usually only available because the majority of people adhere to the regulations and traffic wardens / parking attendants do an excellent job in ensuring that these spaces are available for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only the local authorities have the ability to 'fine' you for parking infringments (police, council, traffic warden etc).

Private companies have no legal right to do so and you're not obliged to pay or admit responsibility. Ignore all letters or correspondence regardless of any threats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seriously annoys the 2HR free at services, the whole idea is to provide safe rest for people travelling and tired to aid not driving tired,

So they put extortionate parking charges on the services which only deters people from using them,

Rather pull off the motorway and find a side street, I refuse to give them a penny

Good work on getting it overturned claim for damages now if you can, haha

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By *icoleDiamondsWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

The future of these scam invoices will be decided in the Supreme Court where ruling is awaited in the case of Barry Beavis vs Parking Eye. A lot is riding on this one.

Good luck with your case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only the local authorities have the ability to 'fine' you for parking infringments (police, council, traffic warden etc).

Private companies have no legal right to do so and you're not obliged to pay or admit responsibility. Ignore all letters or correspondence regardless of any threats."

DO NOT ignore them.

The rules changed and they CAN and WILL take you to court.

Parking Eye have done so successfully.

The POPLA appeal is the defence you MUST use.

They will refuse your appeal - it's their company policy.

By going to appeal and getting the reference number it actually costs them money.

They are legally allowed to charge for quantifiable loss - ie what it cost them for you not paying.

A free Car Park hasn't cost them anything so they have no loss.

But don't ignore them - they have the law on their side now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Only the local authorities have the ability to 'fine' you for parking infringments (police, council, traffic warden etc).

Private companies have no legal right to do so and you're not obliged to pay or admit responsibility. Ignore all letters or correspondence regardless of any threats.

DO NOT ignore them.

The rules changed and they CAN and WILL take you to court.

Parking Eye have done so successfully.

The POPLA appeal is the defence you MUST use.

They will refuse your appeal - it's their company policy.

By going to appeal and getting the reference number it actually costs them money.

They are legally allowed to charge for quantifiable loss - ie what it cost them for you not paying.

A free Car Park hasn't cost them anything so they have no loss.

But don't ignore them - they have the law on their side now"

I didn't think it had changed yet. I stand corrected if it has.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

What's with this paying to park malarkey anyway. Doesn't everyone park on the pavements these days?"

Exactly. Which numbnuts actually pay to park these days. Daylight robbery. I have a rule, if they expect me to pay to park somewhere, I won't go there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The rules changed last year and came into effect this year.

Most agents don't have the clout to back up their threats and rely on the threat itself.

Parking Eye are part of a massive group and have the backing of their own legal teams.

They have won in court on several occasions.

As always - Pepipoo is the best place for up to date info for those not dealing with it day to day.

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman
over a year ago

B & M Bargains

"The rules changed last year and came into effect this year.

Most agents don't have the clout to back up their threats and rely on the threat itself.

Parking Eye are part of a massive group and have the backing of their own legal teams.

They have won in court on several occasions.

As always - Pepipoo is the best place for up to date info for those not dealing with it day to day."

or search money saving expert forums.. Just don't post a new thread about it, some of the posters on there are brutal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get a parking dispensation for one town near me all street cost £25.00 a year despite on staeet parking £1.20 a hour and another town I just appeal them .

Never get a ticket if I display my parking dispensation for the neighbouring town

Never park on private land except when workin and stick to their rules

Jobsworth at the council always let parking ticket appeals through private companies usually don't

Appeal it and then pay it if you don't win appeal

It soon turns into 400 odd quid for a 30 fine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you let them take you to small claims court they have to prove it was you driving being the registered keeper doesn't automatically make you liable.

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over a year ago

"If you let them take you to small claims court they have to prove it was you driving being the registered keeper doesn't automatically make you liable. "

On private land the owner is liable

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