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So should I hang around Leicester for 7 hours until the trains start running again? Or use National Express? Or is the strike likely to be cancelled? (PS I'm not hanging around Leicester for 7 hours!) | |||
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"Have an extra night? " Got to be back at work on Wednesday as everyone else has got it off (half term). I could travel back on Monday but was hoping for a shopping spree (or as much of one as you can have down there). | |||
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"I would of met you in Leicester, but I believe I can't get there. There's a rail strike "Yeah. Thanks.  | |||
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"I'll be travelling over the bank hol weekend and of course the strike is called for the day I was planning on travelling home.
So should I hang around Leicester for 7 hours until the trains start running again? Or use National Express? Or is the strike likely to be cancelled? (PS I'm not hanging around Leicester for 7 hours!)"is it not a 24hr strike from 1700 on the monday think you may be there a little more than seven hours ? | |||
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"I'll be travelling over the bank hol weekend and of course the strike is called for the day I was planning on travelling home.
So should I hang around Leicester for 7 hours until the trains start running again? Or use National Express? Or is the strike likely to be cancelled? (PS I'm not hanging around Leicester for 7 hours!)is it not a 24hr strike from 1700 on the monday think you may be there a little more than seven hours ?"I was going home on the Tuesday. Us civil servants get an extra day. | |||
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"I'll be travelling over the bank hol weekend and of course the strike is called for the day I was planning on travelling home.
So should I hang around Leicester for 7 hours until the trains start running again? Or use National Express? Or is the strike likely to be cancelled? (PS I'm not hanging around Leicester for 7 hours!)is it not a 24hr strike from 1700 on the monday think you may be there a little more than seven hours ?"Its from 1700 bank hol mon to 1659 tuesday. | |||
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"I'll be travelling over the bank hol weekend and of course the strike is called for the day I was planning on travelling home.
So should I hang around Leicester for 7 hours until the trains start running again? Or use National Express? Or is the strike likely to be cancelled? (PS I'm not hanging around Leicester for 7 hours!)"Vote Tory and rid the country of these pesky trade unions (not funny?? ) hehehehe  | |||
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"I'll be travelling over the bank hol weekend and of course the strike is called for the day I was planning on travelling home.
So should I hang around Leicester for 7 hours until the trains start running again? Or use National Express? Or is the strike likely to be cancelled? (PS I'm not hanging around Leicester for 7 hours!)
Vote Tory and rid the country of these pesky trade unions (not funny?? ) hehehehe "Id rather a union have my back than anything else | |||
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"I'll be travelling over the bank hol weekend and of course the strike is called for the day I was planning on travelling home.
So should I hang around Leicester for 7 hours until the trains start running again? Or use National Express? Or is the strike likely to be cancelled? (PS I'm not hanging around Leicester for 7 hours!)
Vote Tory and rid the country of these pesky trade unions (not funny?? ) hehehehe
Id rather a union have my back than anything else "here here be carefull what you wish for | |||
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" Its from 1700 bank hol mon to 1659 tuesday. " Yes and no... However the service will have to be run down by 5.... And services will have to be in place so they can run a normal service on Wednesday.... So in effect you can forget long distance services on Tuesday night The biggest trouble may actually be the work to rule which basically means no overtime... As the railways are so dependant on overtime to run the normal service | |||
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"The trouble is, when the strike ends the trains will be in one place and the drivers in an other. So the disruption will last for most of Tuesday evening/night." Its gonna be a pain in the ass | |||
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"id use national express if I was you..i think there is going to be a lot of strikes and protests in all quarters during the next 5 years" Yeah...Len McClusky and his union mates peed off that their puppet Milliband got Sussed out. Feel the need to throw teddy out of the Union pram. Even threatening to withdraw support for Labour if they don't pick the "right" leader in their election..... | |||
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"I'll be travelling over the bank hol weekend and of course the strike is called for the day I was planning on travelling home.
So should I hang around Leicester for 7 hours until the trains start running again? Or use National Express? Or is the strike likely to be cancelled? (PS I'm not hanging around Leicester for 7 hours!)is it not a 24hr strike from 1700 on the monday think you may be there a little more than seven hours ?
I was going home on the Tuesday. Us civil servants get an extra day. "Do we?!?? Gonna check that out when I get in!!!!  | |||
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"simple! go on your car share app, and find someone driving from Leicester to York that has space in their car and wants to take people for a contribution towards petrol " That sounds like a serial killers dream app  | |||
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"simple! go on your car share app, and find someone driving from Leicester to York that has space in their car and wants to take people for a contribution towards petrol That sounds like a serial killers dream app "where's your sense of adventure Evie? I mean, excuse me? but to some don't you think that FS sounds like a serial stalkers dream site?  | |||
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"simple! go on your car share app, and find someone driving from Leicester to York that has space in their car and wants to take people for a contribution towards petrol That sounds like a serial killers dream app where's your sense of adventure Evie? I mean, excuse me? but to some don't you think that FS sounds like a serial stalkers dream site? "Perhaps. | |||
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" Talks taking place at acas today. Hopefully some progress will be made. " Pmsl. | |||
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" I was going home on the Tuesday. Us civil servants get an extra day. "This is why people think us council bums get extra bank holidays then! They're getting confused with you lot | |||
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" I was going home on the Tuesday. Us civil servants get an extra day.
This is why people think us council bums get extra bank holidays then! They're getting confused with you lot "Council Bum? Were you voted Arse of the Year there too? | |||
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" Talks taking place at acas today. Hopefully some progress will be made. Pmsl. " ??? | |||
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" Talks taking place at acas today. Hopefully some progress will be made. Pmsl. ???" the meeting isnt booked till the 20th | |||
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"Megabus "Noooo!!!! | |||
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" Talks have been going on today with NR and the unions. " Be careful what you say. | |||
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"I've booked National Express. I'm going to have that song in my head for a week now." When her arse is as wide as a small country!!! | |||
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"I've booked National Express. I'm going to have that song in my head for a week now. When her arse is as wide as a small country!!! "that is so my "go to" karaoke song.... i kill it!!!! | |||
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"Monday's strike is off after network rail have offered a new pay deal. " Called it! "I highly expect it'll be called off a day or so before it's due to take place. The rail network angers commuters daily (sometimes, that anger is unjustified though). Can you imagine the chaos if the suits refuse to budge? However, I'd still take precautions. Maybe I don't live life on the edge!" Although I suppose you don't have to have precognition to guess it | |||
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"it was tuesday "splitting hairs here, but it was planned to commence from 17:00 on Monday for 24 hours, the disruption caused to rolling stock being in different parts of the country after 17:00 on Tuesday wouldn't actually be strike action, just a consequence of it | |||
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"Rail unions call off national bank holiday strike http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32832191" ill wait for the offical email | |||
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"it was tuesday splitting hairs here, but it was planned to commence from 17:00 on Monday for 24 hours, the disruption caused to rolling stock being in different parts of the country after 17:00 on Tuesday wouldn't actually be strike action, just a consequence of it "i can split hairs as im involved with this | |||
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"Rail unions call off national bank holiday strike http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32832191 ill wait for the offical email "Always best.  | |||
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"it was tuesday splitting hairs here, but it was planned to commence from 17:00 on Monday for 24 hours, the disruption caused to rolling stock being in different parts of the country after 17:00 on Tuesday wouldn't actually be strike action, just a consequence of it
i can split hairs as im involved with this
"a mediator for ACAS? | |||
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"Rail unions call off national bank holiday strike http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32832191 ill wait for the offical email
Always best. "Yup ur right. X Just turned work phone on x | |||
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"it was tuesday splitting hairs here, but it was planned to commence from 17:00 on Monday for 24 hours, the disruption caused to rolling stock being in different parts of the country after 17:00 on Tuesday wouldn't actually be strike action, just a consequence of it
i can split hairs as im involved with this
a mediator for ACAS?"No i work for nr | |||
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"it was tuesday splitting hairs here, but it was planned to commence from 17:00 on Monday for 24 hours, the disruption caused to rolling stock being in different parts of the country after 17:00 on Tuesday wouldn't actually be strike action, just a consequence of it
i can split hairs as im involved with this
a mediator for ACAS?
No i work for nr"and in or out of a union, is the question that needs to be asked  | |||
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"it was tuesday splitting hairs here, but it was planned to commence from 17:00 on Monday for 24 hours, the disruption caused to rolling stock being in different parts of the country after 17:00 on Tuesday wouldn't actually be strike action, just a consequence of it
i can split hairs as im involved with this
a mediator for ACAS?
No i work for nr and in or out of a union, is the question that needs to be asked "Why should it matter? | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter?"a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all "Yet do you believe the news. The issue was not taken lightly and unless you are involved, you won't understand it. | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all "What about the RMT members livelihood being messed with by being offered a shit pay deal ? | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
Yet do you believe the news.
The issue was not taken lightly and unless you are involved, you won't understand it.
"not taken lightly? I don't doubt it, but sounds ver much like a quote from the Union and the people backing the strike. Yes, we all listen to the news, trouble is we get a jaundiced version of the facts reported by the media on both sides, I would relish the opportunity to find out more.... | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
Yet do you believe the news.
The issue was not taken lightly and unless you are involved, you won't understand it.
not taken lightly? I don't doubt it, but sounds ver much like a quote from the Union and the people backing the strike. Yes, we all listen to the news, trouble is we get a jaundiced version of the facts reported by the media on both sides, I would relish the opportunity to find out more...."A 95% vote on 85% turnout is a pretty big majority backing the vote and a lot more than any government we have had for some time who make decisions affecting us all. | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
Yet do you believe the news.
The issue was not taken lightly and unless you are involved, you won't understand it.
not taken lightly? I don't doubt it, but sounds ver much like a quote from the Union and the people backing the strike. Yes, we all listen to the news, trouble is we get a jaundiced version of the facts reported by the media on both sides, I would relish the opportunity to find out more....
A 95% vote on 85% turnout is a pretty big majority backing the vote and a lot more than any government we have had for some time who make decisions affecting us all."Yes, a remarkable consensus in favour of strike action in comparison with all the other previous Union ballots....quite amazing; or possibly quite ssuspect depends on how or whether you actually trust the figures | |||
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"It was more down to safety and redundancies than pay. The media bang on about the pay offer where that was not the major issue. Safety was the issue; safety of the network that we all travel on. Hopefully NR have not just thrown money at people and resolve the major gripes." All the news mentioned was pay. And wasnt about that entirely | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
Yet do you believe the news.
The issue was not taken lightly and unless you are involved, you won't understand it.
not taken lightly? I don't doubt it, but sounds ver much like a quote from the Union and the people backing the strike. Yes, we all listen to the news, trouble is we get a jaundiced version of the facts reported by the media on both sides, I would relish the opportunity to find out more....
A 95% vote on 85% turnout is a pretty big majority backing the vote and a lot more than any government we have had for some time who make decisions affecting us all. Yes, a remarkable consensus in favour of strike action in comparison with all the other previous Union ballots....quite amazing; or possibly quite ssuspect depends on how or whether you actually trust the figures"The vote was 4-1 in favour of strike | |||
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"It was more down to safety and redundancies than pay. The media bang on about the pay offer where that was not the major issue. Safety was the issue; safety of the network that we all travel on. Hopefully NR have not just thrown money at people and resolve the major gripes. All the news mentioned was pay. And wasnt about that entirely " It's a good way to foment hatred though. Where other people are unhappy about their lot hearing others want more (and are prepared to take action to get it) sends them seething for some reason. The threads on this forum are but an indication of how the wider populace think. | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
What about the RMT members livelihood being messed with by being offered a shit pay deal ? "Except we don't know what the pay deal actually was or is so only have RMT's word that it was in fact a shit pay deal. | |||
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"It was more down to safety and redundancies than pay. The media bang on about the pay offer where that was not the major issue. Safety was the issue; safety of the network that we all travel on. Hopefully NR have not just thrown money at people and resolve the major gripes. All the news mentioned was pay. And wasnt about that entirely It's a good way to foment hatred though. Where other people are unhappy about their lot hearing others want more (and are prepared to take action to get it) sends them seething for some reason. The threads on this forum are but an indication of how the wider populace think. " Being honest and this is me. I had cancer needed time off work. My employer was fantastic no stress and was there if i needed. Personally the payrise i can do without as i have a job still The safety concerns the other issues which we was concerned about was more important to me But thats my side and not others. I work more than my hours as i love my job and no I don't get ot. | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
What about the RMT members livelihood being messed with by being offered a shit pay deal ?
Except we don't know what the pay deal actually was or is so only have RMT's word that it was in fact a shit pay deal."Why should you. Its nothing to do with you. (Harsh but true) | |||
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"It was more down to safety and redundancies than pay. The media bang on about the pay offer where that was not the major issue. Safety was the issue; safety of the network that we all travel on. Hopefully NR have not just thrown money at people and resolve the major gripes." Isn't that Union speak for. We've been offered a pay deal that we're not happy with but the public, if they find out what it is, will think it's not so bad so let's say this is more about health & safety than pay? | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
What about the RMT members livelihood being messed with by being offered a shit pay deal ?
Except we don't know what the pay deal actually was or is so only have RMT's word that it was in fact a shit pay deal."Do your contractual terms, payrise, redundancy and other employment matters get discussed by all and sundry? | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
What about the RMT members livelihood being messed with by being offered a shit pay deal ?
Except we don't know what the pay deal actually was or is so only have RMT's word that it was in fact a shit pay deal.
Do your contractual terms, payrise, redundancy and other employment matters get discussed by all and sundry?
"Mine do, regularly, and I'm quite comfortable with that but I do work in the public sector. Network Rail are in that hybrid area. | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
What about the RMT members livelihood being messed with by being offered a shit pay deal ?
Except we don't know what the pay deal actually was or is so only have RMT's word that it was in fact a shit pay deal.
Do your contractual terms, payrise, redundancy and other employment matters get discussed by all and sundry?
"If someone was asking me for my support in their efforts to get more pay than was being offered I would want to know what had actually been offered before I gave that support. | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
What about the RMT members livelihood being messed with by being offered a shit pay deal ?
Except we don't know what the pay deal actually was or is so only have RMT's word that it was in fact a shit pay deal.
Do your contractual terms, payrise, redundancy and other employment matters get discussed by all and sundry?
If someone was asking me for my support in their efforts to get more pay than was being offered I would want to know what had actually been offered before I gave that support."But you can't support their support for better pay or conditions except by boycotting the service altogether. What support can you offer that will make a difference to the negotiations? | |||
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"Cos the managers want more pay basically and a day of work lol." If you strike you don't get paid for that day. The Union may have strike pay but it's not the equivalent of the days wages. | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
What about the RMT members livelihood being messed with by being offered a shit pay deal ?
Except we don't know what the pay deal actually was or is so only have RMT's word that it was in fact a shit pay deal.
Do your contractual terms, payrise, redundancy and other employment matters get discussed by all and sundry?
If someone was asking me for my support in their efforts to get more pay than was being offered I would want to know what had actually been offered before I gave that support.
But you can't support their support for better pay or conditions except by boycotting the service altogether. What support can you offer that will make a difference to the negotiations?
"It's about how much public sympathy there is for the cause. If the public feel they are justified in their campaign for more pay they will blame NR and the government for the strike, if the public feel this is just the RMT flexing its muscle and trying to get more for its members than they deserve then they will blame the RMT and, indirectly, the Labour party and movement. | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
Yet do you believe the news.
The issue was not taken lightly and unless you are involved, you won't understand it.
not taken lightly? I don't doubt it, but sounds ver much like a quote from the Union and the people backing the strike. Yes, we all listen to the news, trouble is we get a jaundiced version of the facts reported by the media on both sides, I would relish the opportunity to find out more....
A 95% vote on 85% turnout is a pretty big majority backing the vote and a lot more than any government we have had for some time who make decisions affecting us all. Yes, a remarkable consensus in favour of strike action in comparison with all the other previous Union ballots....quite amazing; or possibly quite ssuspect depends on how or whether you actually trust the figures"Believe me any discrepancy on the figures or ballot matrix would soon see the ballot ruled out. This dispute has been going on for some months now, despite some elements of the press trying to make it into a protest against a conservative government being elected. These talks started long before the election campaign. RMT doesn't even support the Labour party now, it ended its affiliation some years ago. This dispute is not just about pay. There are huge changes being made to the industry and the big concern is long term job security. Yes, it is a relatively well paid industry to work in, but one with a lot of responsibility. Signallers control hundreds of train movements every day, signals, points and level crossings. Maintenance staff are out in all weathers keeping this kit operating safely. There was a very strong yes vote for this strike mandate, not just RMT, TSSA also voted in favour of action and they are traditionally more reluctant to do so. Hopefully this situation can now be resolved, compromise on both sides no doubt but that's democracy. Thanks all for your support. | |||
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" But you can't support their support for better pay or conditions except by boycotting the service altogether. What support can you offer that will make a difference to the negotiations? It's about how much public sympathy there is for the cause. If the public feel they are justified in their campaign for more pay they will blame NR and the government for the strike, if the public feel this is just the RMT flexing its muscle and trying to get more for its members than they deserve then they will blame the RMT and, indirectly, the Labour party and movement. " Frankly, we are long past the days when the general public will support any sort of strike action. This is what management is counting on in terms of their support. We've reached a stage where people are fearful of losing what they have but also seem to think that anyone getting a better deal than them robs them in some way. It doesn't. The last thread I read on strike action here was along the lines of "be grateful you have a job" as if that is enough. Of course having public support would be great but we've just had an election where enough people have voted for austerity + and for a more right wing agenda. Public support isn't going to happen. As long as we still have the right to unionise and to withdraw labour through strikes then I will support that those voting to strike have looked at the issues and made a decision that is right for them and their workforce. I accept that striking will affect others adversely in the short term. A strike that affects no one is unlikely to achieve anything. If the rest of us benefit in the longer term through better terms and conditions then all the better. | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
What about the RMT members livelihood being messed with by being offered a shit pay deal ?
Except we don't know what the pay deal actually was or is so only have RMT's word that it was in fact a shit pay deal.
Do your contractual terms, payrise, redundancy and other employment matters get discussed by all and sundry?
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
Yet do you believe the news.
The issue was not taken lightly and unless you are involved, you won't understand it.
not taken lightly? I don't doubt it, but sounds ver much like a quote from the Union and the people backing the strike. Yes, we all listen to the news, trouble is we get a jaundiced version of the facts reported by the media on both sides, I would relish the opportunity to find out more....
A 95% vote on 85% turnout is a pretty big majority backing the vote and a lot more than any government we have had for some time who make decisions affecting us all. Yes, a remarkable consensus in favour of strike action in comparison with all the other previous Union ballots....quite amazing; or possibly quite ssuspect depends on how or whether you actually trust the figures
The vote was 4-1 in favour of strike "The TSSA had a turnout of 53% and a majority of 52% (or the other way around). Certainly not a massive support there. Should strikes be called only when at least 50% of those entitled to vote call for it? | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
Yet do you believe the news.
The issue was not taken lightly and unless you are involved, you won't understand it.
not taken lightly? I don't doubt it, but sounds ver much like a quote from the Union and the people backing the strike. Yes, we all listen to the news, trouble is we get a jaundiced version of the facts reported by the media on both sides, I would relish the opportunity to find out more....
A 95% vote on 85% turnout is a pretty big majority backing the vote and a lot more than any government we have had for some time who make decisions affecting us all. Yes, a remarkable consensus in favour of strike action in comparison with all the other previous Union ballots....quite amazing; or possibly quite ssuspect depends on how or whether you actually trust the figures
Believe me any discrepancy on the figures or ballot matrix would soon see the ballot ruled out. This dispute has been going on for some months now, despite some elements of the press trying to make it into a protest against a conservative government being elected. These talks started long before the election campaign. RMT doesn't even support the Labour party now, it ended its affiliation some years ago.
This dispute is not just about pay. There are huge changes being made to the industry and the big concern is long term job security.
Yes, it is a relatively well paid industry to work in, but one with a lot of responsibility. Signallers control hundreds of train movements every day, signals, points and level crossings. Maintenance staff are out in all weathers keeping this kit operating safely.
There was a very strong yes vote for this strike mandate, not just RMT, TSSA also voted in favour of action and they are traditionally more reluctant to do so.
Hopefully this situation can now be resolved, compromise on both sides no doubt but that's democracy.
Thanks all for your support."I wish it will be resolved. X | |||
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Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
Yet do you believe the news.
The issue was not taken lightly and unless you are involved, you won't understand it.
not taken lightly? I don't doubt it, but sounds ver much like a quote from the Union and the people backing the strike. Yes, we all listen to the news, trouble is we get a jaundiced version of the facts reported by the media on both sides, I would relish the opportunity to find out more....
A 95% vote on 85% turnout is a pretty big majority backing the vote and a lot more than any government we have had for some time who make decisions affecting us all. Yes, a remarkable consensus in favour of strike action in comparison with all the other previous Union ballots....quite amazing; or possibly quite ssuspect depends on how or whether you actually trust the figures
The vote was 4-1 in favour of strike
The TSSA had a turnout of 53% and a majority of 52% (or the other way around). Certainly not a massive support there. Should strikes be called only when at least 50% of those entitled to vote call for it?"Tssa.most of operations aren't in this union as its more clerical | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
Yet do you believe the news.
The issue was not taken lightly and unless you are involved, you won't understand it.
not taken lightly? I don't doubt it, but sounds ver much like a quote from the Union and the people backing the strike. Yes, we all listen to the news, trouble is we get a jaundiced version of the facts reported by the media on both sides, I would relish the opportunity to find out more....
A 95% vote on 85% turnout is a pretty big majority backing the vote and a lot more than any government we have had for some time who make decisions affecting us all. Yes, a remarkable consensus in favour of strike action in comparison with all the other previous Union ballots....quite amazing; or possibly quite ssuspect depends on how or whether you actually trust the figures
The vote was 4-1 in favour of strike
The TSSA had a turnout of 53% and a majority of 52% (or the other way around). Certainly not a massive support there. Should strikes be called only when at least 50% of those entitled to vote call for it?"Which is exactly what happened, 52% in favour of strike, there ballot for action short of a strike was 79% | |||
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"it was tuesday
Why should it matter? a sizeable proportion of the population depend on rail travel and have a view that the RMT are once again messing with their lively hood by taking strike action in this way, that's all
Yet do you believe the news.
The issue was not taken lightly and unless you are involved, you won't understand it.
not taken lightly? I don't doubt it, but sounds ver much like a quote from the Union and the people backing the strike. Yes, we all listen to the news, trouble is we get a jaundiced version of the facts reported by the media on both sides, I would relish the opportunity to find out more....
A 95% vote on 85% turnout is a pretty big majority backing the vote and a lot more than any government we have had for some time who make decisions affecting us all. Yes, a remarkable consensus in favour of strike action in comparison with all the other previous Union ballots....quite amazing; or possibly quite ssuspect depends on how or whether you actually trust the figures
The vote was 4-1 in favour of strike
The TSSA had a turnout of 53% and a majority of 52% (or the other way around). Certainly not a massive support there. Should strikes be called only when at least 50% of those entitled to vote call for it?
Which is exactly what happened, 52% in favour of strike, there ballot for action short of a strike was 79%"Well, yes ... Roughly 25% in favour of striking. | |||
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" But you can't support their support for better pay or conditions except by boycotting the service altogether. What support can you offer that will make a difference to the negotiations? It's about how much public sympathy there is for the cause. If the public feel they are justified in their campaign for more pay they will blame NR and the government for the strike, if the public feel this is just the RMT flexing its muscle and trying to get more for its members than they deserve then they will blame the RMT and, indirectly, the Labour party and movement. Frankly, we are long past the days when the general public will support any sort of strike action. This is what management is counting on in terms of their support. We've reached a stage where people are fearful of losing what they have but also seem to think that anyone getting a better deal than them robs them in some way. It doesn't. The last thread I read on strike action here was along the lines of "be grateful you have a job" as if that is enough. Of course having public support would be great but we've just had an election where enough people have voted for austerity + and for a more right wing agenda. Public support isn't going to happen. As long as we still have the right to unionise and to withdraw labour through strikes then I will support that those voting to strike have looked at the issues and made a decision that is right for them and their workforce. I accept that striking will affect others adversely in the short term. A strike that affects no one is unlikely to achieve anything. If the rest of us benefit in the longer term through better terms and conditions then all the better. " I think you're being a little over cynical about the possibility of public support. I also think you're mistaken if you believe that low pay and health & safety are purely matters of concern for those who position themselves on the left of politics. That some might say 'you're lucky to have a job' is not reflective of most peoples attitude. No one has a job because they are lucky they have their job because they can do it, luck has nothing to do with it. If you don't court public opinion and support you definitely won't get it. However, if you do court it and your cause is seen as right and just, you will get it. Finally I have to disagree with you about people getting annoyed with others getting a better deal than themselves. People only really care about what others get, better or worse than themselves, if they are being caught up in the fight or the ones having to pay. If people are going to be disrupted then they will blame those they feel are wrong for that disruption. It's up to those taking any action (or inaction possibly) to make their case and gain that support. | |||
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"No. The strike was about Safety issues and concerns. NR throw money at staff in the hope they accept the deal. They give their version of events to the press and emphasise the pay offer as they know the public will back NR. They fail to mention what the concerns of RMT were. Hypothetically, if all the NR workers were sacked as some people wish, there would be no train service for probably over a year. New staff would need extensive training. On top of that, all the rail companies would most likely go on strike in support of the sacked NR workers. Be careful what you wish for. It inconveniences me, but for one day I can deal with it. Am I jealous? Not really. Jobs are open for anybody to apply." Why doesn't the RMT make it's case to us. How can I support them or not if they won't put forward there case in the public arena. I currently have little or no sympathy for the strikers or their cause but if they made the effort to explain it to me I might. | |||
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"No. The strike was about Safety issues and concerns. NR throw money at staff in the hope they accept the deal. They give their version of events to the press and emphasise the pay offer as they know the public will back NR. They fail to mention what the concerns of RMT were. Hypothetically, if all the NR workers were sacked as some people wish, there would be no train service for probably over a year. New staff would need extensive training. On top of that, all the rail companies would most likely go on strike in support of the sacked NR workers. Be careful what you wish for. It inconveniences me, but for one day I can deal with it. Am I jealous? Not really. Jobs are open for anybody to apply. Why doesn't the RMT make it's case to us. How can I support them or not if they won't put forward there case in the public arena. I currently have little or no sympathy for the strikers or their cause but if they made the effort to explain it to me I might." Again u are a commuter not a worker So why should i sit tell you why we are in dispute, when it doesnt involve you My job is my lively hood and yes i commute to work too, Im out. | |||
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"It's been called off Grrrr!!!" I would have thought that would have made you happy, you're not stuck in Leicester now. | |||
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"It's been called off Grrrr!!! I would have thought that would have made you happy, you're not stuck in Leicester now." I'd already bought coach tickets. Non-refundable coach tickets. | |||
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"No. The strike was about Safety issues and concerns. NR throw money at staff in the hope they accept the deal. They give their version of events to the press and emphasise the pay offer as they know the public will back NR. They fail to mention what the concerns of RMT were. Hypothetically, if all the NR workers were sacked as some people wish, there would be no train service for probably over a year. New staff would need extensive training. On top of that, all the rail companies would most likely go on strike in support of the sacked NR workers. Be careful what you wish for. It inconveniences me, but for one day I can deal with it. Am I jealous? Not really. Jobs are open for anybody to apply. Why doesn't the RMT make it's case to us. How can I support them or not if they won't put forward there case in the public arena. I currently have little or no sympathy for the strikers or their cause but if they made the effort to explain it to me I might. Again u are a commuter not a worker So why should i sit tell you why we are in dispute, when it doesnt involve you My job is my lively hood and yes i commute to work too, Im out. " You don't but the only information I'm getting is that the NR has made a generous pay offer (how generous I don't know) and that offer has been rejected. On that basis I can only say I don't think the strike is right. However I'm open to listen to the other side and maybe change my opinion but, for some reason, no one seems willing to tell me!! | |||
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"The sooner these commies have their strikes brokeN the better. Any innocent person affected by the strike action should have the right to compensation from the unions. Might give then pause to think about the people they really affect." Thanks, I knew one would be along sooner or later. | |||
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"No. The strike was about Safety issues and concerns. NR throw money at staff in the hope they accept the deal. They give their version of events to the press and emphasise the pay offer as they know the public will back NR. They fail to mention what the concerns of RMT were. Hypothetically, if all the NR workers were sacked as some people wish, there would be no train service for probably over a year. New staff would need extensive training. On top of that, all the rail companies would most likely go on strike in support of the sacked NR workers. Be careful what you wish for. It inconveniences me, but for one day I can deal with it. Am I jealous? Not really. Jobs are open for anybody to apply. Why doesn't the RMT make it's case to us. How can I support them or not if they won't put forward there case in the public arena. I currently have little or no sympathy for the strikers or their cause but if they made the effort to explain it to me I might. Again u are a commuter not a worker So why should i sit tell you why we are in dispute, when it doesnt involve you My job is my lively hood and yes i commute to work too, Im out. You don't but the only information I'm getting is that the NR has made a generous pay offer (how generous I don't know) and that offer has been rejected. On that basis I can only say I don't think the strike is right. However I'm open to listen to the other side and maybe change my opinion but, for some reason, no one seems willing to tell me!!" The actual pay offer was a joke And im sure it was in the guardian | |||
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"The sooner these commies have their strikes brokeN the better. Any innocent person affected by the strike action should have the right to compensation from the unions. Might give then pause to think about the people they really affect. Thanks, I knew one would be along sooner or later. " Yes, good forbid someone have a different opinion.. | |||
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"No. The strike was about Safety issues and concerns. NR throw money at staff in the hope they accept the deal. They give their version of events to the press and emphasise the pay offer as they know the public will back NR. They fail to mention what the concerns of RMT were. Hypothetically, if all the NR workers were sacked as some people wish, there would be no train service for probably over a year. New staff would need extensive training. On top of that, all the rail companies would most likely go on strike in support of the sacked NR workers. Be careful what you wish for. It inconveniences me, but for one day I can deal with it. Am I jealous? Not really. Jobs are open for anybody to apply. Why doesn't the RMT make it's case to us. How can I support them or not if they won't put forward there case in the public arena. I currently have little or no sympathy for the strikers or their cause but if they made the effort to explain it to me I might. Again u are a commuter not a worker So why should i sit tell you why we are in dispute, when it doesnt involve you My job is my lively hood and yes i commute to work too, Im out. You don't but the only information I'm getting is that the NR has made a generous pay offer (how generous I don't know) and that offer has been rejected. On that basis I can only say I don't think the strike is right. However I'm open to listen to the other side and maybe change my opinion but, for some reason, no one seems willing to tell me!! The actual pay offer was a joke And im sure it was in the guardian " I'll try to find out for myself then but don't expect many others to. | |||
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" Just to clarify, the strike hasn't been called off it has been suspended pending consisederation of a revised offer. The strike mandate is of course still valid." From BBC News... - Rail unions have called off a national bank holiday strike after receiving a "revised offer" in their pay dispute with Network Rail. Members of the RMT and TSSA unions had been due to walk out for 24 hours from 17:00 BST on Monday in a row over pay. The RMT said the union's executive had decided to suspend the strike, after the TSSA earlier called off its action. Many train services will now run as planned on Monday and Tuesday but some will be affected by engineering work. Virgin trains, which runs services on the East and West Coast mainlines, tweeted: "As a result of planned industrial action being cancelled, the original timetabled services have been reinstated for 25th & 26th May." | |||
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" Just to clarify, the strike hasn't been called off it has been suspended pending consisederation of a revised offer. The strike mandate is of course still valid." ..... but they have to by law give 7 days notification of strike action... so it can't happen this monday and tuesday anymore... | |||
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"The politics of jealousy then" wheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! | |||
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"The politics of jealousy thenwheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! " So in a nut shell "he got lots of money I want more money" | |||
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"The politics of jealousy thenwheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! So in a nut shell "he got lots of money I want more money"" yup as im the one who gives up my christmas my new year easter and other bank holidays im the one who does the long shifts of unsocial hours and yes i knew that before i joined but you see i used to be fairly rewarded for that but now with this offer ........ | |||
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"The politics of jealousy thenwheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! So in a nut shell "he got lots of money I want more money"yup as im the one who gives up my christmas my new year easter and other bank holidays im the one who does the long shifts of unsocial hours and yes i knew that before i joined but you see i used to be fairly rewarded for that but now with this offer ........" This offer makes u want to Say no I know im Ops | |||
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"The politics of jealousy thenwheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! " I agree that hard work should be rewarded fairly however the tone of your post seems to suggest that the new MD is not hard working and so does not deserve his pay increase. Is that what you are in fact saying? | |||
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"The politics of jealousy thenwheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! I agree that hard work should be rewarded fairly however the tone of your post seems to suggest that the new MD is not hard working and so does not deserve his pay increase. Is that what you are in fact saying?" I read it as the new MD was awarded an increase on track record in a previous company rather than hard work in the current role. | |||
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"The politics of jealousy thenwheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! I agree that hard work should be rewarded fairly however the tone of your post seems to suggest that the new MD is not hard working and so does not deserve his pay increase. Is that what you are in fact saying? I read it as the new MD was awarded an increase on track record in a previous company rather than hard work in the current role. " Not sure that that's relevant. After all a train operator/driver would not expect to get paid more or less just because he had or had not worked else where. Surely, whether train driver or MD the person should be being paid what he's worth now and both should be hardworking to. | |||
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"The politics of jealousy thenwheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! I agree that hard work should be rewarded fairly however the tone of your post seems to suggest that the new MD is not hard working and so does not deserve his pay increase. Is that what you are in fact saying? I read it as the new MD was awarded an increase on track record in a previous company rather than hard work in the current role. Not sure that that's relevant. After all a train operator/driver would not expect to get paid more or less just because he had or had not worked else where. Surely, whether train driver or MD the person should be being paid what he's worth now and both should be hardworking to." I think the point being made is that money found for one new person indicates that money can be found. | |||
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"The politics of jealousy thenwheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! I agree that hard work should be rewarded fairly however the tone of your post seems to suggest that the new MD is not hard working and so does not deserve his pay increase. Is that what you are in fact saying? I read it as the new MD was awarded an increase on track record in a previous company rather than hard work in the current role. Not sure that that's relevant. After all a train operator/driver would not expect to get paid more or less just because he had or had not worked else where. Surely, whether train driver or MD the person should be being paid what he's worth now and both should be hardworking to. I think the point being made is that money found for one new person indicates that money can be found. " spot on what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and it works both ways | |||
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" I think the point being made is that money found for one new person indicates that money can be found. " That's always the point. Never whether the hardworking commuters should be squeezed a little bit more. Or whether we taxpayers can spend less on teachers, nurses or policemen. Only ever "someone else can pay, or we'll make you suffer". Wasn't renationalisation meant to solve all the problems? | |||
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"The politics of jealousy thenwheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! I agree that hard work should be rewarded fairly however the tone of your post seems to suggest that the new MD is not hard working and so does not deserve his pay increase. Is that what you are in fact saying? I read it as the new MD was awarded an increase on track record in a previous company rather than hard work in the current role. Not sure that that's relevant. After all a train operator/driver would not expect to get paid more or less just because he had or had not worked else where. Surely, whether train driver or MD the person should be being paid what he's worth now and both should be hardworking to. I think the point being made is that money found for one new person indicates that money can be found. " I don't think that argument is sequitur at all. It's often the case that money can be found for one thing but not for something else. The fact that the hardworking MD is getting more money does not mean that there is money for the hardworking work force to get more also. To make a case for more pay you have to base it on what you are doing to deserve more pay not on what someone else is doing. | |||
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"The politics of jealousy thenwheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! I agree that hard work should be rewarded fairly however the tone of your post seems to suggest that the new MD is not hard working and so does not deserve his pay increase. Is that what you are in fact saying? I read it as the new MD was awarded an increase on track record in a previous company rather than hard work in the current role. Not sure that that's relevant. After all a train operator/driver would not expect to get paid more or less just because he had or had not worked else where. Surely, whether train driver or MD the person should be being paid what he's worth now and both should be hardworking to. I think the point being made is that money found for one new person indicates that money can be found. I don't think that argument is sequitur at all. It's often the case that money can be found for one thing but not for something else. The fact that the hardworking MD is getting more money does not mean that there is money for the hardworking work force to get more also. To make a case for more pay you have to base it on what you are doing to deserve more pay not on what someone else is doing." You and I are just going to have the same back and forth. I can see it both ways. My only point is that they have the right to strike on the basis of a fair and open vote on the issues that they are dealing with. A strike that affects no-one will not achieve the change sought by a strike. Enjoy the rest of the evening. | |||
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Ridiculous charges, overcrowding and crap services from all these different private companies...and they used to slag the railways off when it was British Rail and say they could improve it...!!! | |||
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"The politics of jealousy thenwheres the jealousy ? if there is enough money for the remuneration committee to offer the MD a substantial salary (earned by the working staff ) then surely it follows that there is sufficient funds to reward the hardworking staff for the hours they put in ? nothing to do with jealousy everything to do with hard work being rewarded fairly ! I agree that hard work should be rewarded fairly however the tone of your post seems to suggest that the new MD is not hard working and so does not deserve his pay increase. Is that what you are in fact saying? I read it as the new MD was awarded an increase on track record in a previous company rather than hard work in the current role. Not sure that that's relevant. After all a train operator/driver would not expect to get paid more or less just because he had or had not worked else where. Surely, whether train driver or MD the person should be being paid what he's worth now and both should be hardworking to. I think the point being made is that money found for one new person indicates that money can be found. I don't think that argument is sequitur at all. It's often the case that money can be found for one thing but not for something else. The fact that the hardworking MD is getting more money does not mean that there is money for the hardworking work force to get more also. To make a case for more pay you have to base it on what you are doing to deserve more pay not on what someone else is doing. You and I are just going to have the same back and forth. I can see it both ways. My only point is that they have the right to strike on the basis of a fair and open vote on the issues that they are dealing with. A strike that affects no-one will not achieve the change sought by a strike. Enjoy the rest of the evening. " I've not formed a solid opinion on this yet, I'm simply trying to find out the facts. I do totally agree that they have the right to strike but what I'm trying to work out is if they are right to strike. Also I'm not sure that trying to create as much disruption as possible to the public is actually the best method of achieving the aims, it's definitely not the best way to get public support. A strike should cause most harm to the company and profits the dispute is with, that alone can be enough to achieve the aim. Public disruption is probably best avoided or minimised as much as possible until you have them firmly on your side. | |||
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"Cos the managers want more pay basically and a day of work lol. If you strike you don't get paid for that day. The Union may have strike pay but it's not the equivalent of the days wages. " Ah yes and ty, didn't know that. | |||
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