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"UKIP have refused Farage' resignation so he will continue to lead them. " If the party is to move on it needs to bring more people to the public attention and rely less on the Farage persona. | |||
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"i think the party did well with him, .............." One MP? An ex-Tory at that. I bet he hopes he never does badly. | |||
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"What gets me is this guy is all about the UK and all that but sounds French, he has the name of a French vegetable. " According to Urban Dictionary his name is not a French vegetable.  | |||
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there have been few politicians we have liked over the years, Farage comes across as the most genuine. and after watching him on youtube he is also pretty knowledgable when he gets questioned of script unlike some who just refuse to answer or just freeze up,
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"wonder if our resident 'Kippers will be in this thread... some of them still owe me election charity bet money sit, watches and smiles..... "Maybe there still waiting for there JSA payment to come through. | |||
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"Ukip are fucked no matter who runs them really. Ukip headquarters round here got their window kicked in and vandalised just before the election." So you are proud to support leftwing Fascist hooligans then?.  | |||
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"Ukip are fucked no matter who runs them really. Ukip headquarters round here got their window kicked in and vandalised just before the election. So you are proud to support leftwing Fascist hooligans then?. "No, are you? | |||
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"i think the party did well with him,, i liked his straight talking,, id rather have a drink with him than Ed, Nick or David " put me down for a fosters as i to would have a drink with him , you have to respect a man that tells it how it is , | |||
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"Ukip are fucked no matter who runs them really. Ukip headquarters round here got their window kicked in and vandalised just before the election. So you are proud to support leftwing Fascist hooligans then?. "left wing Fascists? That's a new one. | |||
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"wonder if our resident 'Kippers will be in this thread... some of them still owe me election charity bet money sit, watches and smiles.....
Maybe there still waiting for there JSA payment to come through."Thought the ones waiting for JSA payments were MillyBland and his redundant unwanted fellow Labour MPs?. | |||
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"I'd say he is their only personage, really. I don't think that says much good about the party, either. " A party that relies on the personality of one person is often called a cult. | |||
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"Ukip are fucked no matter who runs them really. Ukip headquarters round here got their window kicked in and vandalised just before the election. So you are proud to support leftwing Fascist hooligans then?. "What he said | |||
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"Ukip headquarters round here got their window kicked in and vandalised just before the election." Oh the irony | |||
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"Ukip headquarters round here got their window kicked in and vandalised just before the election. Oh the irony "Exactly. | |||
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"Ukip are fucked no matter who runs them really. Ukip headquarters round here got their window kicked in and vandalised just before the election. ." By the uneducated no doubt! | |||
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"Farage is the only man in politics who will speak the truth." Which is why he will never succeed! The public can't handle the truth!! | |||
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"i think the party did well with him, .............. One MP? An ex-Tory at that. I bet he hopes he never does badly." Yes one MP, (would've had over 80 seats under proportional representation) and share of the vote up massively from the 2010 election, (UKIP came 3rd overall in terms of vote share), a solid 2nd place in over 90 seats, and over 200 councillors elected. All in all a good election night for UKIP and something to build on for 2020. I think your beloved Scottish Labour had a much worse night on Thursday/early hours of friday. | |||
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"Farage is the only man in politics who will speak the truth." That all our problems are down to immigrants? Sure. | |||
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"Farage is the only man in politics who will speak the truth." Whose truth? | |||
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"I'd say he is their only personage, really. I don't think that says much good about the party, either. A party that relies on the personality of one person is often called a cult. " You can't use that word in here! Oh cult,sorry. | |||
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"UKIP have refused Farage' resignation so he will continue to lead them. " In answer to the OP, i'm personally pleased to see Farage will still be leader, but think it would have been better for him to have a break over the summer, and come back to put his name forward for a leadership election in september as he suggested he might have done. There are other good candidates for leader such as Suzanne Evans, Steven Woolfe, Partick O'Flynn, Paul Nuttall, Douglas Carswell and Diane James, but without doubt Nigel Farage is the best man for the job. | |||
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"UKIP have refused Farage' resignation so he will continue to lead them. In answer to the OP, i'm personally pleased to see Farage will still be leader, but think it would have been better for him to have a break over the summer, and come back to put his name forward for a leadership election in september as he suggested he might have done. There are other good candidates for leader such as Suzanne Evans, Steven Woolfe, Partick O'Flynn, Paul Nuttall, Douglas Carswell and Diane James, but without doubt Nigel Farage is the best man for the job. "What twaddle re Farage being best I do not like him nor agree with Ukip but anyone who thought he was man of his word were duped if you resign thats it Milliband and Clegg have. | |||
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"UKIP have refused Farage' resignation so he will continue to lead them. " Another untrustworthy politico liars one and all | |||
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"UKIP have refused Farage' resignation so he will continue to lead them. In answer to the OP, i'm personally pleased to see Farage will still be leader, but think it would have been better for him to have a break over the summer, and come back to put his name forward for a leadership election in september as he suggested he might have done. There are other good candidates for leader such as Suzanne Evans, Steven Woolfe, Partick O'Flynn, Paul Nuttall, Douglas Carswell and Diane James, but without doubt Nigel Farage is the best man for the job.
What twaddle re Farage being best I do not like him nor agree with Ukip but anyone who thought he was man of his word were duped if you resign thats it Milliband and Clegg have."He did hand his resignation in, the UKIP executive board have refused to accept his resignation. | |||
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"UKIP have refused Farage' resignation so he will continue to lead them. In answer to the OP, i'm personally pleased to see Farage will still be leader, but think it would have been better for him to have a break over the summer, and come back to put his name forward for a leadership election in september as he suggested he might have done. There are other good candidates for leader such as Suzanne Evans, Steven Woolfe, Partick O'Flynn, Paul Nuttall, Douglas Carswell and Diane James, but without doubt Nigel Farage is the best man for the job.
What twaddle re Farage being best I do not like him nor agree with Ukip but anyone who thought he was man of his word were duped if you resign thats it Milliband and Clegg have.
He did hand his resignation in, the UKIP executive board have refused to accept his resignation. "His resignation was to the effect that he is resigning and would consider standing for re-selection in September after a summer break. When is a resignation not a resignation? When it's a vanity exercise and to meet the "truth" that he said he would resign if he didn't secure a seat. You continue to believe he is honourable and truthful. I'll continue to listen to the words and watch the behaviour and judge on that basis. | |||
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"Quelle surprise. I think that if you were to look up the dictionary definition of "resign," you might just find that it does not require acceptance. Folk may not have accepted the implications of the racist scandals in the UKIP party and may have continued to swallow the "honest" Farrage personality but surely this is the death knell for Farrage and his party." It won't be. There is a belief amongst some that he and UKIP are speaking the truth as they want to hear it. That is enough. I don't think UKIP will do better in the 2020 elections though as the arguments will change after the 2017 EU Referendum. UKIP actually won what they were seeking in this election: the EU Referendum. | |||
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"Ukip are fucked no matter who runs them really. Ukip headquarters round here got their window kicked in and vandalised just before the election. . By the uneducated no doubt! " Why would you assume it would be by the uneducated? Was it the uneducated who we're responsible for the student riots? | |||
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"UKIP have refused Farage' resignation so he will continue to lead them. In answer to the OP, i'm personally pleased to see Farage will still be leader, but think it would have been better for him to have a break over the summer, and come back to put his name forward for a leadership election in september as he suggested he might have done. There are other good candidates for leader such as Suzanne Evans, Steven Woolfe, Partick O'Flynn, Paul Nuttall, Douglas Carswell and Diane James, but without doubt Nigel Farage is the best man for the job.
What twaddle re Farage being best I do not like him nor agree with Ukip but anyone who thought he was man of his word were duped if you resign thats it Milliband and Clegg have.
He did hand his resignation in, the UKIP executive board have refused to accept his resignation.
His resignation was to the effect that he is resigning and would consider standing for re-selection in September after a summer break. When is a resignation not a resignation? When it's a vanity exercise and to meet the "truth" that he said he would resign if he didn't secure a seat.
You continue to believe he is honourable and truthful. I'll continue to listen to the words and watch the behaviour and judge on that basis.
"He said he would take the summer off and then consider if he would put his name forward in september or not? If his resignation had been accepted he may have decided not to put his name forward in september, with todays developments i guess we will never know now? The SNP have gone from strength to strength under new leadership with Nicola Sturgeon, so no reason why UKIP could'nt (I for one did'nt think they would recover when Alex Salmond stood down but they proved me wrong). And those comparing Farage to Clegg and Miliband, Farage situation is different. I saw Paul Nuttall on the 6 o clock news earlier saying that UKIP offices had been inundated with phone calls since last friday from party members and supporters asking for Farage to stay on as leader. I doubt Labour or the Lib dems had any phone calls from its supporters asking for Miliband or Clegg to stay on. Labour and Lib dems general election was a failure, but UKIP's was a success when compared to 2010, making great strides forward in terms of vote share, (and thats not even mentioning the UKIP win in the european elections last year). | |||
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" You continue to believe he is honourable and truthful. I'll continue to listen to the words and watch the behaviour and judge on that basis. He said he would take the summer off and then consider if he would put his name forward in september or not? If his resignation had been accepted he may have decided not to put his name forward in september, with todays developments i guess we will never know now? The SNP have gone from strength to strength under new leadership with Nicola Sturgeon, so no reason why UKIP could'nt (I for one did'nt think they would recover when Alex Salmond stood down but they proved me wrong). And those comparing Farage to Clegg and Miliband, Farage situation is different. I saw Paul Nuttall on the 6 o clock news earlier saying that UKIP offices had been inundated with phone calls since last friday from party members and supporters asking for Farage to stay on as leader. I doubt Labour or the Lib dems had any phone calls from its supporters asking for Miliband or Clegg to stay on. Labour and Lib dems general election was a failure, but UKIP's was a success when compared to 2010, making great strides forward in terms of vote share, (and thats not even mentioning the UKIP win in the european elections last year). " A party office inundated with calls asking for the leader to stay. When he does go, as he will at some point, how will you all survive then? It sounds more like a cult with every comment. | |||
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" You continue to believe he is honourable and truthful. I'll continue to listen to the words and watch the behaviour and judge on that basis. He said he would take the summer off and then consider if he would put his name forward in september or not? If his resignation had been accepted he may have decided not to put his name forward in september, with todays developments i guess we will never know now? The SNP have gone from strength to strength under new leadership with Nicola Sturgeon, so no reason why UKIP could'nt (I for one did'nt think they would recover when Alex Salmond stood down but they proved me wrong). And those comparing Farage to Clegg and Miliband, Farage situation is different. I saw Paul Nuttall on the 6 o clock news earlier saying that UKIP offices had been inundated with phone calls since last friday from party members and supporters asking for Farage to stay on as leader. I doubt Labour or the Lib dems had any phone calls from its supporters asking for Miliband or Clegg to stay on. Labour and Lib dems general election was a failure, but UKIP's was a success when compared to 2010, making great strides forward in terms of vote share, (and thats not even mentioning the UKIP win in the european elections last year). A party office inundated with calls asking for the leader to stay. When he does go, as he will at some point, how will you all survive then? It sounds more like a cult with every comment. "I gave a list of other good leadership candidates in a previous post, maybe you missed it? Yes Farage is a marmite figure, some people love him, some people hate him, but he is liked among UKIP supporters, if they are calling for him to stay why should'nt he? | |||
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" You continue to believe he is honourable and truthful. I'll continue to listen to the words and watch the behaviour and judge on that basis. He said he would take the summer off and then consider if he would put his name forward in september or not? If his resignation had been accepted he may have decided not to put his name forward in september, with todays developments i guess we will never know now? The SNP have gone from strength to strength under new leadership with Nicola Sturgeon, so no reason why UKIP could'nt (I for one did'nt think they would recover when Alex Salmond stood down but they proved me wrong). And those comparing Farage to Clegg and Miliband, Farage situation is different. I saw Paul Nuttall on the 6 o clock news earlier saying that UKIP offices had been inundated with phone calls since last friday from party members and supporters asking for Farage to stay on as leader. I doubt Labour or the Lib dems had any phone calls from its supporters asking for Miliband or Clegg to stay on. Labour and Lib dems general election was a failure, but UKIP's was a success when compared to 2010, making great strides forward in terms of vote share, (and thats not even mentioning the UKIP win in the european elections last year). A party office inundated with calls asking for the leader to stay. When he does go, as he will at some point, how will you all survive then? It sounds more like a cult with every comment.
I gave a list of other good leadership candidates in a previous post, maybe you missed it?
Yes Farage is a marmite figure, some people love him, some people hate him, but he is liked among UKIP supporters, if they are calling for him to stay why should'nt he? "Because the honourable thing to do is to stick to what you said you would do and allow others to blossom. I am no UKipper by any stretch of the imagination but I think the party would do well to consider Diane James. She comes across strong and sensible in every inter_iew I have seen her give. Carswell is also a strong speaker and would be a better choice than Farage as he has been elected to be an MP. It's hubris to give a resignation speech that effectively says "unless you ask me to stay" and then stay when the cult followers beg for it. | |||
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"Ukip are fucked no matter who runs them really. Ukip headquarters round here got their window kicked in and vandalised just before the election. . By the uneducated no doubt! Why would you assume it would be by the uneducated? Was it the uneducated who we're responsible for the student riots?" Because an educated person must know violence and criminal damage are not the best way to voice an opinion. I am surprised that needs spelling out. Student riots? Please don't tell us these were the educated public. If so, they should ask for their fees back as obviously studenting does not work! | |||
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"Quelle surprise. I think that if you were to look up the dictionary definition of "resign," you might just find that it does not require acceptance. Folk may not have accepted the implications of the racist scandals in the UKIP party and may have continued to swallow the "honest" Farrage personality but surely this is the death knell for Farrage and his party. It won't be. There is a belief amongst some that he and UKIP are speaking the truth as they want to hear it. That is enough. I don't think UKIP will do better in the 2020 elections though as the arguments will change after the 2017 EU Referendum. UKIP actually won what they were seeking in this election: the EU Referendum. " From some of the posts, it seems you are right. I find it hard to believe but there you go. | |||
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"I actually sat down with this guy and had a convo with him when he was staying in the same hotel as me. after, I had completely changed my perception of him and his beliefs to a positive impact on me. I did also feel very sorry for him when he explained how he missed his family when on the road, and I dont think that people realise what a family man he is. yes, some of their policies are a bit far fetched, and I think they will be the third party frim now on instead of the liberals, but I don't know if him staying is such a good idea, as the party cannot proof itself that it can survive without him." I met him many years ago and everything he has done since has confirmed my _iew of him. Politics is not easy and even harder if you have a family you love. That is not enough reason to vote for someone though. The third party is the SNP, just by sheer number of seats. UKIP sits with the Greens and other vocal parties with one or two members. They may have strong support now across the country but not enough to influence a government high on its current success. The Tories are in full glory and gloating mode and don't yet need to make deals with any other party to get votes through. | |||
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"Ukip are fucked no matter who runs them really. Ukip headquarters round here got their window kicked in and vandalised just before the election. . By the uneducated no doubt! Why would you assume it would be by the uneducated? Was it the uneducated who we're responsible for the student riots? Because an educated person must know violence and criminal damage are not the best way to voice an opinion. I am surprised that needs spelling out. Student riots? Please don't tell us these were the educated public. If so, they should ask for their fees back as obviously studenting does not work! " I googled 'ukip vandalised' coz i wanted to settle this debate by finding out who vandalised the ukip place. In fact there's a fair few stories about vandalism on election stuff round here, and people nicking the wood that the signs were made of. Some rivals posters also had ukip sprayed on them. No idea who did it anyway so you can elaborate all you want but it's meaningless and guessing, but whoever it was they also sprayed a huge nazi cross on the window as well, i didn't see that so must have been cleaned off. | |||
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"UKIP have refused Farage' resignation so he will continue to lead them. In answer to the OP, i'm personally pleased to see Farage will still be leader, but think it would have been better for him to have a break over the summer, and come back to put his name forward for a leadership election in september as he suggested he might have done. There are other good candidates for leader such as Suzanne Evans, Steven Woolfe, Partick O'Flynn, Paul Nuttall, Douglas Carswell and Diane James, but without doubt Nigel Farage is the best man for the job. "He promised he would resign, no matter what weasel words are used to justify his apparent resurrection, you and everyone else rightly assumed he meant it to be final To claim his party wouldn't allow him to resign is hilarious, are you seriously suggesting he has no choice! He sold himself, and his party, on the moral high ground of political integrity. We now know that to be as empty a promise as those made by politicians he decried. | |||
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"I actually sat down with this guy and had a convo with him when he was staying in the same hotel as me. after, I had completely changed my perception of him and his beliefs to a positive impact on me. I did also feel very sorry for him when he explained how he missed his family when on the road, and I dont think that people realise what a family man he is. yes, some of their policies are a bit far fetched, and I think they will be the third party frim now on instead of the liberals, but I don't know if him staying is such a good idea, as the party cannot proof itself that it can survive without him. I met him many years ago and everything he has done since has confirmed my _iew of him. Politics is not easy and even harder if you have a family you love. That is not enough reason to vote for someone though. The third party is the SNP, just by sheer number of seats. UKIP sits with the Greens and other vocal parties with one or two members. They may have strong support now across the country but not enough to influence a government high on its current success. The Tories are in full glory and gloating mode and don't yet need to make deals with any other party to get votes through. " Ukip came 3rd in the national vote share on 12%, SNP only had about 5% share of the overall national vote, no wonder so many people feel dis-engaged or disillusioned with politics these days when so many people don't have a voice. The greens got roughly the same amount of votes as the SNP, only 1 green MP compared to the SNP's 56. | |||
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"Ukip are fucked no matter who runs them really. Ukip headquarters round here got their window kicked in and vandalised just before the election. So you are proud to support leftwing Fascist hooligans then?.
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"I actually sat down with this guy and had a convo with him when he was staying in the same hotel as me. after, I had completely changed my perception of him and his beliefs to a positive impact on me. I did also feel very sorry for him when he explained how he missed his family when on the road, and I dont think that people realise what a family man he is. yes, some of their policies are a bit far fetched, and I think they will be the third party frim now on instead of the liberals, but I don't know if him staying is such a good idea, as the party cannot proof itself that it can survive without him. I met him many years ago and everything he has done since has confirmed my _iew of him. Politics is not easy and even harder if you have a family you love. That is not enough reason to vote for someone though. The third party is the SNP, just by sheer number of seats. UKIP sits with the Greens and other vocal parties with one or two members. They may have strong support now across the country but not enough to influence a government high on its current success. The Tories are in full glory and gloating mode and don't yet need to make deals with any other party to get votes through. Ukip came 3rd in the national vote share on 12%, SNP only had about 5% share of the overall national vote, no wonder so many people feel dis-engaged or disillusioned with politics these days when so many people don't have a voice. The greens got roughly the same amount of votes as the SNP, only 1 green MP compared to the SNP's 56." Did you vote for AV during that referendum? The country didn't so first past the post is the system and the influence is in the House of Commons. It matters not how many times you say UKIP are the third largest by vote they are NOT in parliament. I am not politically unaware and I know the share of votes. I just find it funny now that people who probably didn't vote to change the system complain about the system. When the EU Referendum goes the same way and things stay the same no doubt there will be another complaint. | |||
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"How many seats did the SNP contest..60ish?..how many seats did UKIP contest..640ish ?...think about it." Not quite that number but yes, that's the point. | |||
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