FabSwingers.com forum: fines for children who are late

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just seen on loose women that the government are thinking about fining parents who's children are habitually late.....

I'm fuming....I'd be one of the fined parents....

I get my teenage daughter up at 7am and she leaves at 815 am...its a complete nightmare from the minute I wake her until the minute she leaves, I spend more time trying to get her up and out on time than I do with my 2 boys aged 6+8

What she does after leaving the house, I don't know, it's a straight walk for around 20 minutes. She's late all the time, she has 40 minutes to walk 20 minutes.... What else can I do but kick her out earlier!!

Doesn't make a difference what I use to bribe her with or punish her with... She's also got Aspergers.... And has no realization how it affects the rest of the family.

Ugghh just ranting and fuming

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My daughter is up at six to leave at half seven, her bus comes in at 7.50, sometimes that bus is packed with workers and kids, and drives straight past.

Although if she was messing around and the school would know, some punishment should be set, not sure about a fine as not the parents faults fault if they are messing around.

Fortunately for my daughters school they are aware if the bus just drives past, the school work hand in hand with the bus company behaviour reasons ect.

Her

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

If every child is late then it's less of a problem overall as they will all just learn less. When a persistent few are late then the rest of the class suffers the interruption.

I don't think fines are the way forward but I do get annoyed at parents that think it's ok for their kids to be late and who do nothing to try and ensure their children turn up on time.

The "fine" when the child moves into the world of work is likely to be the sack.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure if there are genuine reasons a meeting with the school will lead to a sensible plan.

I hate that parental responsibility is increasingly diminished - but I also hate that there are so many shit parents and getting your child to value education should be an absolute priority

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i read the fine would only be applied if the child is late more than 10 times in one term..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've got 2 cubs, they're never late - i get them up early enough to deal with all the moaning and groaning and lost shoes and homework and fighting and shouting all that. It's a pain in the arse to deal with but they're my kids - I want to make sure they get to school on time no matter what problems i might encounter along the way. OK there might be some hanging around if they play nicely and do as their told the first time their told but hey ho.

I understand its not easy with some kids for a whole load of reasons but I look to the parents to deal with it properly no matter how it might impact their day.

The Gov't fining parents just feels wrong to me. I think the govt should be doing things to encourage the kids to be at school earlier - make them want to be there, make it easier for the kids to get into the "I need to get to school to do X" frame of mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

How about detentions? They always worked. We never had to be given notice of them. The whole class could be kept behind for an hour at the end of school, and that could have been due to a couple of dickheads bad behaviour in the last five minutes of a lesson. Let the school set the punishments, not the local authority who are just out to make a not more money. They will have pay and display on the bike sheds next.

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

not sure it will work plus it will make even more school run parents clogging the roads up parking on zebra crossings ect endangering other children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not sure it will work plus it will make even more school run parents clogging the roads up parking on zebra crossings ect endangering other children"

Yep - agree with this. My cubs school is going through a rebuilding phase. They have not considered how the increase in size will affect travel to the school - this at the same time as the local council are phasing out lollypop people as a policy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just seen on loose women that the government are thinking about fining parents who's children are habitually late.....

I'm fuming....I'd be one of the fined parents....

Doesn't make a difference what I use to bribe her with or punish her with... She's also got Aspergers.... And has no realization how it affects the rest of the family.

Ugghh just ranting and fuming"

I understand your situation, as I have a 15 year old autistic son. Fortunately, he likes school and always insists that he gets there early!

I would presume if this ever can into law, it would be used discretionary due to individual circumstances.

Does the school recognise her Aspergers? Have they offered or suggested any help on getting her to school? Is there anyone who can support you to get her to school? Maybe a chat with the school nurse or learning support or your local authority (?CAHMS) may help.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

""Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

Because all lessons are just following a text book!

Schools still do detentions.

The same annoying wankers that kept your whole class in detention are likely to be the parents of the kids now doing similar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure if there are genuine reasons a meeting with the school will lead to a sensible plan.

I hate that parental responsibility is increasingly diminished - but I also hate that there are so many shit parents and getting your child to value education should be an absolute priority

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not sure it will work plus it will make even more school run parents clogging the roads up parking on zebra crossings ect endangering other children"

You're advocating lateness as a traffic management plan?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

If you think local authorities make money from schools you know absolutely nothing about local government finance.

And where is the suggestion that this proposal is even coming from local authorities?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My son goes in about half an hour to an hour late 3x a week as I have to give him i.v medication which is bordering on impossible to do by 8:50 whilst trying to get a 9 and 4 year old ready aswell as myself for work on certain days. I would assume common sense would apply to individual circumstances, then again who knows these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea. You can see by the few posts on here that parents would hate it , so maybe they'd do more to get their little darlings in on time. Lateness in the real world will result in the sack.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Parents are being targeted too often these days. Just let the kids turn up whenever they like. Stroll in 10, 20 minutes late without a care in the world.

So what if it disrupts the rest of the class and teaches the kids that timekeeping means nothing. Let the parents have a lie in.

It's not their fault that society is fucked up and there's no respect anymore. It's the world's fault.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My son goes in about half an hour to an hour late 3x a week as I have to give him i.v medication which is bordering on impossible to do by 8:50 whilst trying to get a 9 and 4 year old ready aswell as myself for work on certain days. I would assume common sense would apply to individual circumstances, then again who knows these days

I'm hoping that a fine wouldn't be introduced to a child that is late due to medical reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Parents are being targeted too often these days. Just let the kids turn up whenever they like. Stroll in 10, 20 minutes late without a care in the world.

So what if it disrupts the rest of the class and teaches the kids that timekeeping means nothing. Let the parents have a lie in.

It's not their fault that society is fucked up and there's no respect anymore. It's the world's fault. "

Actually parents ought to be paid just for getting little Chantelle to school

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Just seen on loose women that the government are thinking about fining parents who's children are habitually late.....

I'm fuming....I'd be one of the fined parents....

Doesn't make a difference what I use to bribe her with or punish her with... She's also got Aspergers.... And has no realization how it affects the rest of the family.

Ugghh just ranting and fuming

I understand your situation, as I have a 15 year old autistic son. Fortunately, he likes school and always insists that he gets there early!

I would presume if this ever can into law, it would be used discretionary due to individual circumstances.

It was her school who realised her issues!! Then write school reports worth "lack of confidence" and "shy" which isn't the case at all....i haven't had any problems with the school itself, with regards to her lateness as they know how hard I try to get her in on time.... She went through a phase of flatly refusing of going at all. I'm often in tears with her, and the school in frustration. Cahms aren't very helpful as they are swamped

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm hoping that a fine wouldn't be introduced to a child that is late due to medical reasons. "

Or mental health??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

id imagine this will only happen in state schools right? the tories are already planning to repeal the current human rights laws that make the uk government accountable for its actions. fox hunting is coming back and the sick and vulnerable are going to be cut some more.........

well done Britain you've fallen for the same ole propaganda

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"id imagine this will only happen in state schools right? the tories are already planning to repeal the current human rights laws that make the uk government accountable for its actions. fox hunting is coming back and the sick and vulnerable are going to be cut some more.........

well done Britain you've fallen for the same ole propaganda "

How is this "cutting" the sick and vulnerable? Schools don't WANT to fine parents, they want the kids there on time. Where there are legitimate reasons including recognised medical and mental health conditions they're much more likely to want to work WITH parents than to slap them with a fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well done Britain you've fallen for the same ole propaganda

this isn't cutting the sick and vulnerable. The welfare reforms will do that. This is yet another attack on working families.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

Because all lessons are just following a text book!

Schools still do detentions.

The same annoying wankers that kept your whole class in detention are likely to be the parents of the kids now doing similar.

Most lessons do actually come from textbooks.

Detentions have to be meted out only after parents have been warned in advance.

Its not necessarily the parents. Scrotism is not just passed down families. It can occur anywhere in a family tree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

Because all lessons are just following a text book!

Schools still do detentions.

The same annoying wankers that kept your whole class in detention are likely to be the parents of the kids now doing similar.

Most lessons do actually come from textbooks.

Detentions have to be meted out only after parents have been warned in advance.

Its not necessarily the parents. Scrotism is not just passed down families. It can occur anywhere in a family tree.

You're incorrect on at least two of those. On the other I'll accept your personal experience.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

If you think local authorities make money from schools you know absolutely nothing about local government finance.

And where is the suggestion that this proposal is even coming from local authorities?"

No I don't know about local government finance. But u do know that my kids primary school is on the bones of its arse and looks for any excuse to beg money from us. Because they won't get it from the govt. Local or not.

Please don't take comments that were clearly meant as jokes (hence the bikeshed punchline), to heart. It makes you look....well...a teensy bit dim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

Because all lessons are just following a text book!

Schools still do detentions.

The same annoying wankers that kept your whole class in detention are likely to be the parents of the kids now doing similar.

Most lessons do actually come from textbooks.

Detentions have to be meted out only after parents have been warned in advance.

Its not necessarily the parents. Scrotism is not just passed down families. It can occur anywhere in a family tree.

You're incorrect on at least two of those. On the other I'll accept your personal experience.

Well, as my two kids go to two separate schools that have lessons that are quite often based on textbooks and both schools have stated in their own rules, that detentions cannot be given the same day, then I would beg to differ.

I also have two teachers in my family, and know three other ones as personal friends. They have to follow the detention guidelines I stated as that is the rules in their (separate) schools.

And I've seen their lesson plans, based around textbooks!

As for the scrotism. I absolutely stand by that statement. I come from a family of four brothers. My grandparents, on both sides were not scrotes. My parents certainly were not. One of my brothers was, and still is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

If you think local authorities make money from schools you know absolutely nothing about local government finance.

And where is the suggestion that this proposal is even coming from local authorities?

Please don't take comments that were clearly meant as jokes (hence the bikeshed punchline), to heart. It makes you look....well...a teensy bit dim."

I wasn't taking the bikeshed comment to heart

I was challenging the incorrect statement that the fines would be paid to the local authority, or that this suggestion is coming from the local authority.

Happy for people to judge me as dim on that basis. I'd have gone for pedantic, myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ah you must be correct then!

A detention can be given at any time. Notice is only required if it's outside school hours at weekends or evenings.

If your original argument had been correct all those people that suffered detentions would now be model citizens of course.

None of which alerts the reality that too many parents are the cause of their kids crap education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well done Britain you've fallen for the same ole propaganda

this isn't cutting the sick and vulnerable. The welfare reforms will do that. This is yet another attack on working families. "

No, it's a challenge to families, working or otherwise, who can't be arsed to get their kids to school on time. Don't want to/can't afford to pay it? Make sure your kids aren't late 10 times in a term.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

If you think local authorities make money from schools you know absolutely nothing about local government finance.

And where is the suggestion that this proposal is even coming from local authorities?

Please don't take comments that were clearly meant as jokes (hence the bikeshed punchline), to heart. It makes you look....well...a teensy bit dim.

I wasn't taking the bikeshed comment to heart

I was challenging the incorrect statement that the fines would be paid to the local authority, or that this suggestion is coming from the local authority.

Happy for people to judge me as dim on that basis. I'd have gone for pedantic, myself. "

Well I did say TEENSY!

But just where will the money go?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ah you must be correct then!

A detention can be given at any time. Notice is only required if it's outside school hours at weekends or evenings.

If your original argument had been correct all those people that suffered detentions would now be model citizens of course.

None of which alerts the reality that too many parents are the cause of their kids crap education.

If its not after school its not a detention.

And anyway, I am a model citizen!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After being fined £60 for being late, could they then have a weeks after school detention as extra punishment? Then patents could recoup their losses by not having to pay the costs of after school clubs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

If you think local authorities make money from schools you know absolutely nothing about local government finance.

And where is the suggestion that this proposal is even coming from local authorities?

Please don't take comments that were clearly meant as jokes (hence the bikeshed punchline), to heart. It makes you look....well...a teensy bit dim.

I wasn't taking the bikeshed comment to heart

I was challenging the incorrect statement that the fines would be paid to the local authority, or that this suggestion is coming from the local authority.

Happy for people to judge me as dim on that basis. I'd have gone for pedantic, myself.

Well I did say TEENSY!

But just where will the money go?"

I'd imagine if the school is a free school it'll stay within the school. If its an academy it'll go to DfE. If it's a LA controlled school, it'll get back to DfE by some mechanism, even if it's a reduction in Direct Schools Grant which is how they're funded. Central government uses any opportunity it can to take funding away from Councils, so even if the cash is paid to the LA you can bet they won't see any benefit from it.

I still think the aim isn't to make money, the aim is to have more kids arriving at school on time. The fine is just a stick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well done Britain you've fallen for the same ole propaganda

this isn't cutting the sick and vulnerable. The welfare reforms will do that. This is yet another attack on working families.

so that includes everyone on here right.... cos if their kids are late then they must be part of the "lazy" group..... dont get suckered into the propaganda. it is designed to divide and rule.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well done Britain you've fallen for the same ole propaganda

this isn't cutting the sick and vulnerable. The welfare reforms will do that. This is yet another attack on working families.

so that includes everyone on here right.... cos if their kids are late then they must be part of the "lazy" group..... dont get suckered into the propaganda. it is designed to divide and rule. "

If their kids are late for school more than ten times a term and there isn't a good reason for that, I'm undecided on whether that's laziness or just shit parenting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't need to do it though. Schools have managed without this for decades. Its a moneymaking scheme for someone. Its like driving offences. If they were serious about it, they would not even give you a choice of fines or points. But they know people will cave in and give money. Its all about the money. That's the way society is heading.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well done Britain you've fallen for the same ole propaganda

this isn't cutting the sick and vulnerable. The welfare reforms will do that. This is yet another attack on working families.

so that includes everyone on here right.... cos if their kids are late then they must be part of the "lazy" group..... dont get suckered into the propaganda. it is designed to divide and rule.

If their kids are late for school more than ten times a term and there isn't a good reason for that, I'm undecided on whether that's laziness or just shit parenting. "

divide and rule... keep everyone busy fighting amongst themselves...

meanwhile..... http://www.mirror.co.uk/usvsth3m/13-basic-rights-youre-going-5673763?ICID=FB_mirror_main

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Long before the days of flexible working etc, I had to get three kids to school, nursery and childminder and be at work by 9.

My husband helped and the only issues my kids had was me: get up, wash, get dressed, breakfast, school bag and coat. Don't make me have to repeat myself...never had to.

My parents made it quite simple: pickney know pickney place! Worked for me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well done Britain you've fallen for the same ole propaganda

this isn't cutting the sick and vulnerable. The welfare reforms will do that. This is yet another attack on working families.

so that includes everyone on here right.... cos if their kids are late then they must be part of the "lazy" group..... dont get suckered into the propaganda. it is designed to divide and rule.

If their kids are late for school more than ten times a term and there isn't a good reason for that, I'm undecided on whether that's laziness or just shit parenting.

divide and rule... keep everyone busy fighting amongst themselves...

meanwhile..... http://www.mirror.co.uk/usvsth3m/13-basic-rights-youre-going-5673763?ICID=FB_mirror_main"

Aye sure

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

well done Britain you've fallen for the same ole propaganda

this isn't cutting the sick and vulnerable. The welfare reforms will do that. This is yet another attack on working families.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tarquin and Fabian get dropped off late 12 times in 6 weeks because mummy couldn't find a parking space for her range rover. What's £60 to their parents?

Kylie and Jordan are late 13 times in 6 weeks because their mother is taking them on a bus that is frequently late, and is often so full they can't get on it. She is a single parent, working 25 hours a week at tesco. She wants more hours but can't get them. Except evenings, but she can't do those as nobody will be there for the kids.

Why does she get fined the same amount?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

your children, manage them better to get there on time...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tarquin and Fabian get dropped off late 12 times in 6 weeks because mummy couldn't find a parking space for her range rover. What's £60 to their parents?

Why does she get fined the same amount? "

because they despise the poor

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"your children, manage them better to get there on time..."

What? Take responsibility and parent? You've gone too far!;

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"your children, manage them better to get there on time...

What? Take responsibility and parent? You've gone too far!;

I know, I know...

the rich versus the poor again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not classed as late if the school bus is late.

It's the parents responsibility to ensure kids can get to school or the bus stop on time. Most manage that just fine, they get up early to accommodate whatever is needed to make it happen because they give a shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good idea I don't get paid if i am late to work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If kids are late then they should be sent home.

If they keep on arriving late the they should be barred from going to that school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If kids are late then they should be sent home.

If they keep on arriving late the they should be barred from going to that school."

even better put them in state care where they can be abused by their local MP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So they do what they always do. Float the idea, gauge opinion, reword it, and bring it in.

Its 12 lates in 6 weeks they are proposing.

Too much opposition? Make it 12 in 8 weeks.

Give it six months, then drop it to 12 in 6, another 6 months its 8 in a month. Slowly slowly....works every time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tarquin and Fabian get dropped off late 12 times in 6 weeks because mummy couldn't find a parking space for her range rover. What's £60 to their parents?

Why does she get fined the same amount?

because they despise the poor"

What a load of shit. It's because it's a fixed penalty.

Why are the rich fined more for criminal offences. Because those fines are scaled. I could easily have said because they despise the rich.

I'd hate to live my life thinking I was opressed, it must be so draining.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If kids are late then they should be sent home.

If they keep on arriving late the they should be barred from going to that school.

even better put them in state care where they can be abused by their local MP"

And that hyperbolic scenario can all be prevented by their parents being less shit, and getting their kids up on time to go to school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good idea I don't get paid if i am late to work

And you were never late for school?

You don't get paid if your late? So if your going to be 10 min late, you might as well take the whole day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good idea I don't get paid if i am late to work

And you were never late for school?

You don't get paid if your late? So if your going to be 10 min late, you might as well take the whole day."

You're a teensy bit dim if you didn't realise what he meant.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I am sure if people put as much effort in to getting their kids there on time as they do answering 100's messages, fabbing pics, looking for cock and pussy, avatar challenges, face pic days,kissing fucking and doing whatever to the next poster, updates, the chat room morning, noon & night and so on and so on....

they being swingers of course....

replace with Facebook activities

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If kids are late then they should be sent home.

If they keep on arriving late the they should be barred from going to that school.

even better put them in state care where they can be abused by their local MP

And that hyperbolic scenario can all be prevented by their parents being less shit, and getting their kids up on time to go to school. "

But I fail to see how fining a parent can get them to stop little johnny dawdling on the way to school. If its the parents fault, I could see a case for it. But when its a teenager who dawdles, that's their fault. The onus is on them to get their. Their parents have probably already been in work for half an hour. Punish the child if its their fault. If my eldest came to me to say the school wants a word, they want to fine you because I have been late, I would tell the school, punish him, not me. That's how he will learn. Let schools punish kids properly. The tails wagging the bloody dog sometimes!

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over a year ago

"If kids are late then they should be sent home.

If they keep on arriving late the they should be barred from going to that school.

even better put them in state care where they can be abused by their local MP

And that hyperbolic scenario can all be prevented by their parents being less shit, and getting their kids up on time to go to school.

Because of the school tries to punish the child they're generally met with a howl of indignation from the parents.

You punish him. He's your child, not the school's.

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over a year ago

Can we fine the schools when we take a day off work to stay at home with the kids because there is half an inch of snow in the ground and some of the teachers were "snowed in"?

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over a year ago

"Can we fine the schools when we take a day off work to stay at home with the kids because there is half an inch of snow in the ground and some of the teachers were "snowed in"?"

If it happens 10 times in a term, yeah you've probably got a case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everything is a money making scheme these days. So i do suspect they're trying to raise funds by doing this.

But it also goes on record when you're kids late or absent without permission and this affects the OFSTED report. My youngest kids school was going to get shut down because all the late kids were bringing the ofsted score right down, but they managed to sort it without fines.

I don't think fines are necessary at all, not even for those parents who don't care about their kids getting to school. Taking money off people as 'punishment' is stupid, it teaches people you can buy your behaviour and make it acceptable by using money. Which is how the people who run society act, but the rest of us aren't like that, or didn't used to be.

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over a year ago

"If kids are late then they should be sent home.

If they keep on arriving late the they should be barred from going to that school.

even better put them in state care where they can be abused by their local MP

And that hyperbolic scenario can all be prevented by their parents being less shit, and getting their kids up on time to go to school.

Because of the school tries to punish the child they're generally met with a howl of indignation from the parents.

You punish him. He's your child, not the school's. "

No, I don't believe that. Any parent I speak to would be glad for schools to be able to punish children. They are in loco parentis. That means being nasty as well as nice. How else do they learn personal responsibility, they can't have their patents acting as a buffer from the outside world forever. They are not made of bone China.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"If kids are late then they should be sent home.

If they keep on arriving late the they should be barred from going to that school.

even better put them in state care where they can be abused by their local MP

And that hyperbolic scenario can all be prevented by their parents being less shit, and getting their kids up on time to go to school.

Until the teenager is an adult they are still the responsibility of the parent.

Why is it the school's responsibility to teach discipline and time-keeping? It's bad enough teachers are being expected to toilet train children in reception class but teaching teenagers to arrive on time? That's an ability I think it is reasonable for a parent to impart in 13-16 years.

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over a year ago

"If kids are late then they should be sent home.

If they keep on arriving late the they should be barred from going to that school.

even better put them in state care where they can be abused by their local MP

And that hyperbolic scenario can all be prevented by their parents being less shit, and getting their kids up on time to go to school.

Because of the school tries to punish the child they're generally met with a howl of indignation from the parents.

You punish him. He's your child, not the school's.

And any teacher I speak to has had experience of parents coming in giving them grief for daring to 'discipline' their child. They learn personal responsibility by being brought up properly, by their parents. Teachers are there to teach. It's the parents' responsibility to ensure their kids are at school in a state to learn, meaning not just on time but with the social skills to allow it to happen.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"If kids are late then they should be sent home.

If they keep on arriving late the they should be barred from going to that school.

even better put them in state care where they can be abused by their local MP

And that hyperbolic scenario can all be prevented by their parents being less shit, and getting their kids up on time to go to school.

Because of the school tries to punish the child they're generally met with a howl of indignation from the parents.

You punish him. He's your child, not the school's.

The school are in loco parentis when the child is in their care, not on their way to school. Being in loco parentis does not absolve PARENTS from parenting. Parents not wanting to be the bad guys seems to be a growing problem. The real world lessons can be learnt at home by parents not protecting them from everything and not kicking off at the schools when the school has taken disciplinary action. Perhaps the parents could make the children work off the fine, take it from their pocket money or ground them for a while. After all, they're not made of bone china.

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over a year ago

Yes, and most of us bring them up properly. But when in school, the school is responsible for the, whether they like it or not. That's why I tell my kids to do as they are told by the teacher. And that includes accepting punishments.

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over a year ago

"Yes, and most of us bring them up properly. But when in school, the school is responsible for the, whether they like it or not. That's why I tell my kids to do as they are told by the teacher. And that includes accepting punishments. "

But they're not at school. That's the point. Until they're at school, the teacher is not in loco parentis.

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By *oxic1998Woman
over a year ago

Belfast

"If every child is late then it's less of a problem overall as they will all just learn less. When a persistent few are late then the rest of the class suffers the interruption.

I don't think fines are the way forward but I do get annoyed at parents that think it's ok for their kids to be late and who do nothing to try and ensure their children turn up on time.

The "fine" when the child moves into the world of work is likely to be the sack.

Agree totally. Work with 16/17 year old and quite a few dont turns up on time. Disrupts the whole class. And no matter when the lecturer says time keeping is important in the real world it never sinks in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£60. That's about the price of a computer game. Child gets fined , put their games on eBay, or just wip the plug off their ps8 until they start being punctual.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a ridiculous post just get your

Kids

To school on time and you don't get fined its but rocket science

Your the parent sort it out

Being in time to school then work is a good skill

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over a year ago

"It's bad enough teachers are being expected to toilet train children in reception class but teaching teenagers to arrive on time? That's an ability I think it is reasonable for a parent to impart in 13-16 years.

This will come as a surprise to some.

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over a year ago

This will come as a surprise to some.

Judging some kids local to me perhaps they could also teach them to put rubbish in a bin at the same time

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

I think this sends out a positive message to parents and young people. Some parents (not all) negate all responsibility for issues such as this and the behaviour of their children. It's always someone else's fault and far too often parents pass the buck.

I raised four children on my own quite successfully. Their school was 5 miles away. I ensured that they were up, dressed, fed and prepared for school. One of my children was and still is desperately ill (but in mainstream school) and I worked full time and it was very rare that I had issues despite relying on public transport.

As the children got older, I placed some of the responsibility onto their shoulders. I ensured I did everything I needed to do to ensure their punctuality. If they were late, then they had to accept responsibility for that and I (shock horror) suitably punished them.

We don't, in my opinion, teach our children enough about consequences!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not classed as late if the school bus is late.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"If every child is late then it's less of a problem overall as they will all just learn less. When a persistent few are late then the rest of the class suffers the interruption.

I don't think fines are the way forward but I do get annoyed at parents that think it's ok for their kids to be late and who do nothing to try and ensure their children turn up on time.

The "fine" when the child moves into the world of work is likely to be the sack.

When i was doing A levels i was paid some money each week.. wouldnt it be better to just withdraw that money from the kids directly.. watch their attendance improve then

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over a year ago

My daughters always 10/15 minutes late to school as per arranged by her pastoral teacher due to be bullied by someone they just excluded ....I still get letters saying she late and that I need to contact said pastoral teacher to explain why she late so I guess I be one of the parents that's fine ....

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over a year ago

"I am sure if people put as much effort in to getting their kids there on time as they do answering 100's messages, fabbing pics, looking for cock and pussy, avatar challenges, face pic days,kissing fucking and doing whatever to the next poster, updates, the chat room morning, noon & night and so on and so on....

they being swingers of course....

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over a year ago

"What a ridiculous post just get your

Kids

To school on time and you don't get fined its but rocket science

Your the parent sort it out

Being in time to school then work is a good skill "

Hardly ridiculous....my other children are NEVER late and regularly have 100% attendance... Only being slightly under when my 8 year olds lungs decide they won't work and he's hospitalized

I am not a parent who doesn't give a shit about lateness. Simply tarring all parents with same brush when it comes to lateness is entirely unfair.

I will endeavour to build myself a transporter so I can be in 2 places, 6 miles apart within seconds so I can make sure my daughter is in school even after sending her out, dressed, fed etc in AMPLE time....

Or I could punish her by grounding her, taking pocket money off her.... Neither of which would affect her as she doesn't go out or spend money.... She isn't a Normal' teenager who bunks off, smoking or causing trouble....she has special needs...not only educational, but all walks of life

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"What a ridiculous post just get your

Kids

To school on time and you don't get fined its but rocket science

Your the parent sort it out

Being in time to school then work is a good skill

Hardly ridiculous....my other children are NEVER late and regularly have 100%... Only being slightly under when my 8 year olds lungs decide they won't work and he's hospitalized

I am not a parent who doesn't give a shit about lateness. Simply tarring all parents with same brush when it comes to lateness is entirely unfair.

I am sure there will be an exclusion for children that need extra support to get there....

they will be the exception, not the norm...

it will be the norm they are targeting

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"If every child is late then it's less of a problem overall as they will all just learn less. When a persistent few are late then the rest of the class suffers the interruption.

I don't think fines are the way forward but I do get annoyed at parents that think it's ok for their kids to be late and who do nothing to try and ensure their children turn up on time.

The "fine" when the child moves into the world of work is likely to be the sack.

When i was doing A levels i was paid some money each week.. wouldnt it be better to just withdraw that money from the kids directly.. watch their attendance improve then

That money was withdrawn a few years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 11/05/15 17:37:11]"

As pretty much everyone on this thread has said, there will be exceptional circumstances and I'd class special educational needs as that.

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By *hyblueEyesMan
over a year ago

Daventry

You are unlikely to be fined. I work in the education sector....(will leave it at that lol). We are not going to be on your case if your child is a school refuser, has mental health issues etc. the ones the fines are targeting are where the parents can't be arsed to get out of bed. I have one student who's mum doesn't start work till 9. Therefore she will not leave the house any earlier than 8:50 which means the child is late every morning. It is this sort of attitude that needs stamping out. The fines are not there to punish the parents who genuinely are trying. Believe it or not we are on the same side and we do understand how difficult some kids can be

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"What a ridiculous post just get your

Kids

To school on time and you don't get fined its but rocket science

Your the parent sort it out

Being in time to school then work is a good skill

Hardly ridiculous....my other children are NEVER late and regularly have 100% attendance... Only being slightly under when my 8 year olds lungs decide they won't work and he's hospitalized

I am not a parent who doesn't give a shit about lateness. Simply tarring all parents with same brush when it comes to lateness is entirely unfair.

That's not the circumstances any fine is trying to address and I am sure the mitigating circumstances will be taken into account.

I don't think fining anyone is the right approach for this but I'm glad the debate is out there.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Just seen on loose women that the government are thinking about fining parents who's children are habitually late.....

I'm fuming....I'd be one of the fined parents....

Doesn't make a difference what I use to bribe her with or punish her with... She's also got Aspergers.... And has no realization how it affects the rest of the family.

Ugghh just ranting and fuming"

so basically, you heard it on Loose Woman, with no details of how it would impact your children and their needs... you became furious and upset...

Get the details.... then understand the ins and outs

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over a year ago

"Just seen on loose women that the government are thinking about fining parents who's children are habitually late.....

I'm fuming....I'd be one of the fined parents....

Doesn't make a difference what I use to bribe her with or punish her with... She's also got Aspergers.... And has no realization how it affects the rest of the family.

Ugghh just ranting and fuming

so basically, you heard it on Loose Woman, with no details of how it would impact your children and their needs... you became furious and upset...

Get the details.... then understand the ins and outs

I'm pregnant and totally mental....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The threat of it should be the kick up the arse most parents need to change their children's habitual lateness. There will be some parents who need help getting their teenagers to school on time. Schools are not all within walking distance now and public transport is under strain,due to development of new builds. In my Borough there has been thousands of new abodes built in the last few years.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Just seen on loose women that the government are thinking about fining parents who's children are habitually late.....

I'm fuming....I'd be one of the fined parents....

Doesn't make a difference what I use to bribe her with or punish her with... She's also got Aspergers.... And has no realization how it affects the rest of the family.

Ugghh just ranting and fuming

so basically, you heard it on Loose Woman, with no details of how it would impact your children and their needs... you became furious and upset...

Get the details.... then understand the ins and outs

I'm pregnant and totally mental....

oh well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Health issues aside , there's no excuse . It's about time parents took control and got their kids to school on time .

How will the kids cope in the real world being late for work ?

It's just another example of sheer laziness on all parties and this is good news .

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Health issues aside , there's no excuse . It's about time parents took control and got their kids to school on time .

How will the kids cope in the real world being late for work ?

It's just another example of sheer laziness on all parties and this is good news ."

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

except for the sheer laziness bit

Sometimes it's not laziness it's sheer stupidity

or lack of responsibility

Or letting the kids rule

Or simply plain piss poor parenting

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over a year ago

Or simply plain piss poor parenting"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they being swingers of course....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The people who will get fined are the parents who openly admit 'they can't get up in time' I hear this a lot as a teacher.

The children have until 9:30 until a late mark is given.

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

Wonder How Many of us Forumites were late for Skool some mornings because you were chatting or having a Fag or whatever reason..

Some Kids even skipped classes, some kids even called it Dogging

Nowadays they just want to cause a ho-ha and fine yer parents

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By *urvybrunette91Woman
over a year ago

tidworth

I was never late to school, as a consequence I know the value of time keeping, and I am never late for work. I get lovely bonuses for being a good employee, am allowed to take advantages of flexi-time hours etc etc.

I really enjoy watching those who arrive 15-20 minutes late most days, whine about no bonus etc...

Why don't people just teach their children good time keeping? Children should see themselves fortunate to have access to a free education... Not spending ages in the sweet shop in the morning... Or dawdling to the bus stop!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Wonder How Many of us Forumites were late for Skool some mornings because you were chatting or having a Fag or whatever reason..

Some Kids even skipped classes, some kids even called it Dogging

Nowadays they just want to cause a ho-ha and fine yer parents

I was late to school exactly three times. Each time was because we lived in a poorly maintained council tower block on the 18th floor and we were all stuck in the lift.

I was taught it's rude to others to be late and that going to school was like going to work: my job was to go to school.

My having a fag behind the gym block in secondary or in the boy's toilets in primary was done without ever being late.

I also don't remember the level of lateness then that I see in schools now. Something has changed and it has to be addressed.

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over a year ago

If their kids are late for school more than ten times a term and there isn't a good reason for that, I'm undecided on whether that's laziness or just shit parenting. "

agree wholeheartedly! Every day as I'm walking away from my daughters school after dropping her there in the morning I see the same parents strolling along not giving a shit that their kid is late, or even stood in the street chatting knowing full well that it's past 8.50am and their child will be marked as late! My daughter is 5 and yes she spends a while mucking about in the morning but we are always on time wether hair is brushed, shoes are clean or otherwise

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over a year ago

If their kids are late for school more than ten times a term and there isn't a good reason for that, I'm undecided on whether that's laziness or just shit parenting.

The ones that give a shit are running like hell to get there. The rest are wandering along without a care in the world.

Lock the school gates at 9am.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

If their kids are late for school more than ten times a term and there isn't a good reason for that, I'm undecided on whether that's laziness or just shit parenting.

The ones that give a shit are running like hell to get there. The rest are wandering along without a care in the world.

Lock the school gates at 9am."

At our local primary the headteacher stands outside for ten minutes after the start of school to speak to each and everyone of the parents and children arriving late. It seems to have had an effect and the number of lates has decreased.

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over a year ago

If their kids are late for school more than ten times a term and there isn't a good reason for that, I'm undecided on whether that's laziness or just shit parenting.

The ones that give a shit are running like hell to get there. The rest are wandering along without a care in the world.

Lock the school gates at 9am.

That's a great idea, the embarrassment factor. I like it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

send your kids to bed at a reasonable time and don't let them watch TV or play games before sleeping. They may possibly get a good nights sleep, rise up bright and early, actually have breakfast and set off for school in good time.

Sorted!

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

i was always late during the winter months in my own school time

as goes for taking the kids same thing gets to winter months and im dreadful but not below 85% in a term time best i got was 92% in a winter month

as goes for both kids one was up bright woke me up many a time for school i will admit that one lol the other well dragged there arse out of bed last minute getting breakfast down was never completed i was the same

on way to school it was argue and bicker most of the time but other times it was fun and lake around oh yeah they had rd sense drilled into them they would wait at the corner of the junction

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By *uicylucy76Woman
over a year ago

thornton cleveleys

I tell my daughter.. as she likes to faf and do anything but get ready for school, that if she was late for work she would get sacked and get no money.. So if she's late she gets no pocket money. I normally get a smart arse comment like.. I wish they would sack me! But she's 11 and never been late yet.

I do think they will have to use the fines very carefully, and of course there are exceptions.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

It seems a silly idea,not practical in tough financial times.

Yes kids must get to school on time,and perents must find ways of doing it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why does the winter make you late?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"I tell my daughter.. as she likes to faf and do anything but get ready for school, that if she was late for work she would get sacked and get no money.. So if she's late she gets no pocket money. I normally get a smart arse comment like.. I wish they would sack me! But she's 11 and never been late yet.

I do think they will have to use the fines very carefully, and of course there are exceptions."

Your daughter has a wonderfull mum and she will realise it one day.

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By *uicylucy76Woman
over a year ago

thornton cleveleys

Thankyou... I hope it's sometime soon!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do think they will have to use the fines very carefully, and of course there are exceptions."

Thats a brill idea for the parents that care ..some dont .. mine were never late ..i was late once due to a bus breakdown ..there were a few of us and we walked the rest of the way .. had to sit whilst teacher confirmed with bus co.we were all telling the truth ..i was scared stiff id be in trouble even though not my fault .. think they said headteachers who knew individual circumstances could waive the fine

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over a year ago

If their kids are late for school more than ten times a term and there isn't a good reason for that, I'm undecided on whether that's laziness or just shit parenting.

The ones that give a shit are running like hell to get there. The rest are wandering along without a care in the world.

Lock the school gates at 9am."

Ah that will be me then, running down the road with the school bags with a few minutes to spare!

I've only been late to school once because of the almighty tantrum my daughter threw. The secretary said shall I mark it down as 'running late' I said no put down as full on diva strop....

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"Why does the winter make you late?"

dark mornings and the clocks being changed

though it dosnt help that im actually a night person not a morning person

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

Lateness is a big problem at my kids' schools and I can imagine a lot of fines being given out if this comes in!

I consider myself very lucky, I set my alarm for 7am but we're usually all awake before then, some days my kids come down from their room washed dressed and teeth brushed before the alarm has even gone off. They are fully capable of coming downstairs and getting themselves cereal if that is the case, whilst I get myself showered and ready.

Most days we are all ready for the day by 7.45am and on these light mild mornings it means they get to play out for half an hour before school

Then on my way back from dropping them off I see yawning children stuffing a packet of crisps (breakfast?) in their mouths being dragged to school by parents in pyjamas.

It's really not hard to get up in the morning is it? If it's a struggle, go to bed earlier... Not rocket science is it.

I understand that there are always exceptions whether they be for health reasons or otherwise, but a lot of it is purely down to parental apathy - especially in primary age group when children are relying on their parents to get them to school on time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does the winter make you late?

dark mornings and the clocks being changed

though it dosnt help that im actually a night person not a morning person "

That extra hour in the morning when the clocks go back makes you late?!!!!!!

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

they may fine the parents for being late but all it will do is take away the income going into the house therefore the kids will suffer with less to spend in the house

though I will admit I have missed meals so my kids got a little bit more nice things to have

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over a year ago

"they may fine the parents for being late but all it will do is take away the income going into the house therefore the kids will suffer with less to spend in the house

though I will admit I have missed meals so my kids got a little bit more nice things to have "

Any parent who would allow their children to suffer in order to pay the fine, when the alternative is simply to get out of bed on time in the mornings so they don't get fined in the first place is the one who needs to sort their priorities out.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"they may fine the parents for being late but all it will do is take away the income going into the house therefore the kids will suffer with less to spend in the house

though I will admit I have missed meals so my kids got a little bit more nice things to have

Eloquently put!

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

"they may fine the parents for being late but all it will do is take away the income going into the house therefore the kids will suffer with less to spend in the house

though I will admit I have missed meals so my kids got a little bit more nice things to have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If their kids are late for school more than ten times a term and there isn't a good reason for that, I'm undecided on whether that's laziness or just shit parenting.

The ones that give a shit are running like hell to get there. The rest are wandering along without a care in the world.

Lock the school gates at 9am.

Great idea!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My kids aren't late. They would get punished at school, loss of break times, detention etc, but they would get a bollocking from me. They don't want either of those. I don't need the threat of a fine, to do my job of bringing them up properly.

How many of the parents of the persistent offenders will actually give a shit if they get fined. They either won't pay, or they will pay it back a quid a week.

You don't need fines to get people to follow rules. As had been said, it just teaches those same people that they can still do as they like, just at a price.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"Any parent who would allow their children to suffer in order to pay the fine needs to sort their priorities out."

is my opinion as children come first in my eyes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suspect it's true it won't make much difference to the main problem.

There should be more challenging of parents for shit parenting though. It's neglect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does the winter make you late?

dark mornings and the clocks being changed

though it dosnt help that im actually a night person not a morning person "

Are you kidding?! That's really no excuse!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it possible to run schools 16hrs a day and pick the shift that suits your need?

7-2:30 would suit our needs perfectly at the moment.

Although a few years back we would have preferred 10-5:30 due to working hours

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

20% of pocket money for first offence. Little bastards

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

""Sorry I'm late Miss"

"Sit down, open your book at page 98, and catch up. See me at break"

Hardly a disruption us it? Certainly not worth £60.

- sounds like another sorry excuse for local authority looking for a way to make a quick £.

Defo agree, should be up to school to set punishment.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

A few minutes late shouldn't be much of a problem though it's advisable to get kids into good habits for the workplace where such behaviour would get them sacked.

Where lateness is a problem is with students who regularly rock up at 11 or 12 having missed 2 or 3 lessons. If they do that twice a week persistently that's one day of absence a week. Over a half term that equates to a week's absence.

Over a year even more. This will have an effect on their progress and attainment. This will have a knock on effect on their eventual GCSE grades. Such poor attendance does mean that they could achieve one or two grades below what they should be getting. This in turn affects their college placements if they are relying on particular grades for a place on a particular course.

It has to be tackled. Fining though? Not sure that's the right way to go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"After being fined £60 for being late, could they then have a weeks after school detention as extra punishment? Then patents could recoup their losses by not having to pay the costs of after school clubs!

To be fair, a weeks worth of detention would cost someone living where I did and going to my school £55.50 in train and bus fares and a couple of hours to get home. That's on top of the school transport that was already paid for termly. I think my parents would have rather paid the fine of £60, and not had to worry about me traversing several trains and busses to get home.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

My lad is a nightmare in the mornings! He eats at a snails pace and walks even slower!! It's never really mattered until next week when I go back to work and have 15 minutes to get from his nursery school to work so can't be hanging around.

Going to do a few practise runs in the summer holidays to see how long it takes us to walk to his primary school ready for September. That's further from my work than his nursery so I'll be even more rushed then!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When you say you have to give him iv medication do you mean you've got to canulate him and sit him there with a bag for an hour and a half or that it takes you an hour and a half to administer and injection?

If it's the later go to your local pharmacy 5 minutes before opening time and ask one of the local methadone users for tips.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just seen on loose women that the government are thinking about fining parents who's children are habitually late.....

I'm fuming....I'd be one of the fined parents....

Doesn't make a difference what I use to bribe her with or punish her with... She's also got Aspergers.... And has no realization how it affects the rest of the family.

Ugghh just ranting and fuming"

So at no point did you decide to investigate why your daughter, with a mental health condition, is effectively disappearing for half an hour or more each day of the week and showing great reluctance to go to school?

...yeah that's not warning signs at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a ridiculous post just get your

Kids

To school on time and you don't get fined its but rocket science

Your the parent sort it out

Being in time to school then work is a good skill "

And what a ridiculous reply!

Does any of your children (if you have any!), have any special needs?? I would like to see if you could do any better than the OP. It is not always that easy to cope with children who require extra support. Conditions like autism and Asperger are very difficult to managed, as things can change so quickly, you're not prepared for it.

Educate yourself first before making comments like that, then I would listen to you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The point about those kinds of circumstances have been covered several times.

It remains the case that for the most part 'get off your lazy ass and get your kids to school on time' is a fair expectation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Err... It WAS a joke!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh gosh it's still excuses. My older sister is mentally and physically disabled. We went to different primary and secondary schools. My mother always ensured we were both on time at school, no moaning, no excuses, no self-congratulations either, she just did it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even when the clocks went back and it was cold?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Even when the clocks went back and it was cold?

Funnily enough she managed it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Even when the clocks went back and it was cold?

Funnily enough she managed it

But how?? I hear these "teenagers" are impossible to wake up.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Even when the clocks went back and it was cold?

Funnily enough she managed it

But how?? I hear these "teenagers" are impossible to wake up."

I think the post was that it's the parent unable to get up in the mornings and harder when the clocks go back.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Children with parents they have to care for as the parents are physically or mentally unwell often get lost in all of this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Children with parents they have to care for as the parents are physically or mentally unwell often get lost in all of this.

I'm going to guess that that statistically insignificant amount of children will probably be given leeway.

But when you have to grope for fractions of a percent of cases to try and prove your point you know you're reaching.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Even when the clocks went back and it was cold?

Funnily enough she managed it

But how?? I hear these "teenagers" are impossible to wake up.

I think the post was that it's the parent unable to get up in the mornings and harder when the clocks go back.

I'm still trying to make sense of that excuse.

The clock goes BACK. 8am becomes 7am

If they wake at their normal time of 8am they're actually an hour early!!

Somehow that makes them late..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Just seen on loose women that the government are thinking about fining parents who's children are habitually late.....

I'm fuming....I'd be one of the fined parents....

Doesn't make a difference what I use to bribe her with or punish her with... She's also got Aspergers.... And has no realization how it affects the rest of the family.

Ugghh just ranting and fuming

...yeah that's not warning signs at all."

She isn't 'going missing' she's walking exceptionally slowly.. The point isn't that I'm lying in bed, expecting her to get up in good time, get herself ready and fed, the point is I am doing everything I can to get her to leave on time, fed, watered and dressed.... Other than walk behind her with a bull whip....what else can I do....bearing in mind I have two younger children who cannot be left to deal with themselves while I baby a 13 year old girl....be totally different if I wasn't even trying.... And as for your comment re. I.V Medication.... Hardly helpful was it??.. Not enough that the poor woman is probably demented with worry over the health of her child when you Wade in sprouting utter tripe. How about you close your arse, engage your brain and let your gob talk.... Might be slightly more useful

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

I think it's a sad indictment that for some people the only type of warning they heed is a financial penalty.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?"

Cant find anything as yet. I am looking but between the forums, Facebook and candy crush I barely have the time ??

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

Cant find anything as yet. I am looking but between the forums, Facebook and candy crush I barely have the time ?? "

recognising it, is the start to recovery...... good luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my personal _iew and opinion, the additional needs of a lot of children are simply good parents, two good caring parents.

Given that, and the rare true emergency, there'd be no lateness nevermind serial lateness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People always assuming it's parents being lazy.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?"

I think schools have been issued with a guidance note. The stuff I have read suggests the guidance says there is a half hour window before being recorded as late for the purposes of a fine. Doctor and dentist appointments are exempt and you can get medical notes for other exemptions.

Gove had threatened that fines would be docked from anyone in receipt of welfare payments but I don't know if Morgan went ahead with that bit.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

Gove had threatened that fines would be docked from anyone in receipt of welfare payments but I don't know if Morgan went ahead with that bit.

that is good to read...

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

Gove had threatened that fines would be docked from anyone in receipt of welfare payments but I don't know if Morgan went ahead with that bit.

that is good to read... "

A bit of further reading of press stories shows this was a story in January 2014 when some local authorities decided to implement this scheme. What I couldn't find was a story on whether the fines had made any difference.

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over a year ago

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

Gove had threatened that fines would be docked from anyone in receipt of welfare payments but I don't know if Morgan went ahead with that bit.

With half hour window, medical and other exemptions and a trigger point of 10 instances in a term, sounds like you'd have to be pretty bloody inept to end up getting fined.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

Gove had threatened that fines would be docked from anyone in receipt of welfare payments but I don't know if Morgan went ahead with that bit.

With half hour window, medical and other exemptions and a trigger point of 10 instances in a term, sounds like you'd have to be pretty bloody inept to end up getting fined. "

I was thinking that too,but there must be schools with students who are fitting into this criteria or they wouldn't bother surely?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

Gove had threatened that fines would be docked from anyone in receipt of welfare payments but I don't know if Morgan went ahead with that bit.

With half hour window, medical and other exemptions and a trigger point of 10 instances in a term, sounds like you'd have to be pretty bloody inept to end up getting fined.

I was thinking that too,but there must be schools with students who are fitting into this criteria or they wouldn't bother surely? "

It's morning and afternoon registration so I suppose it is possible to achieve the 10 instances in a week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A bit of further reading of press stories shows this was a story in January 2014 when some local authorities decided to implement this scheme. What I couldn't find was a story on whether the fines had made any difference.

Ah... more scaremongering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

Gove had threatened that fines would be docked from anyone in receipt of welfare payments but I don't know if Morgan went ahead with that bit.

With half hour window, medical and other exemptions and a trigger point of 10 instances in a term, sounds like you'd have to be pretty bloody inept to end up getting fined. "

They'll be making an absolute fortune then....!

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over a year ago

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

Gove had threatened that fines would be docked from anyone in receipt of welfare payments but I don't know if Morgan went ahead with that bit.

With half hour window, medical and other exemptions and a trigger point of 10 instances in a term, sounds like you'd have to be pretty bloody inept to end up getting fined.

I was thinking that too,but there must be schools with students who are fitting into this criteria or they wouldn't bother surely?

Of course there are they're the parents who just send the kids our and get told they're turning up late and do nothing about it while the kid is off hanging out with friends, smoking and generally just not going to school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People always assuming it's parents being lazy. "

Not always. Sometimes incompetent. Sometimes shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And this is why we homeschool

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People always assuming it's parents being lazy.

Not always. Sometimes incompetent. Sometimes shit."

Some manage the trinity of all three at once.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

Gove had threatened that fines would be docked from anyone in receipt of welfare payments but I don't know if Morgan went ahead with that bit.

With half hour window, medical and other exemptions and a trigger point of 10 instances in a term, sounds like you'd have to be pretty bloody inept to end up getting fined. "
my daughter is marked late at 905....5 minutes after registration has begun..... No half hour window here....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least we're not in a country where our kids have to walk miles and miles to get to school on an empty stomach..

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

Gove had threatened that fines would be docked from anyone in receipt of welfare payments but I don't know if Morgan went ahead with that bit.

With half hour window, medical and other exemptions and a trigger point of 10 instances in a term, sounds like you'd have to be pretty bloody inept to end up getting fined. my daughter is marked late at 905....5 minutes after registration has begun..... No half hour window here...."

Schools are obliged to count lateness from registration. They have no choice in the matter.

However, as has been stated these fines will only be triggered by the criteria already mentioned.

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over a year ago

"are children with additional needs included... are the details out yet?

Gove had threatened that fines would be docked from anyone in receipt of welfare payments but I don't know if Morgan went ahead with that bit.

What would you suggest they do instead of fines etc?

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By *epper123Woman
over a year ago

London

I think teens are a different thing. My oldest wanted to stay in bed all dam every day, so when I called the EWO, they suggested the police coming round. I could not get him out of bed as he was bigger than me. The police scared him, but he was mightily pissed off with me for getting them involved, he has not looked back and is now doing his A levels. Primary school is a different matter. You can make or break a child's chances in future life in a primary school, in terms of learning habits and attitude to life. Missing even ten per cent of the day makes a massive difference. Persistent absentees will be those with attendance under ninety per cent and from next year both schools and parents will be penalised for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why aren't kids rushing to school? Why aren't they excited about their learning?

Some questions are more crucial than others. There's a fundamental problem here and a fine isn't going to fix it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If parents are fined for taking kids on holiday in school time, fined for kids being late - surely when teachers have days on strike it is only fair that the unions should be fined for depriving children of education if its that important. You can't have the rules only against the parents surely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why aren't kids rushing to school? Why aren't they excited about their learning?

Some questions are more crucial than others. There's a fundamental problem here and a fine isn't going to fix it."

Lessons could be the most exciting things in the world and some kids would still not want to be there.

I think there's something to be said for young people learning the life lesson that is: sometimes you just have to sit and do some boring shit. That's the thing I have the biggest difficulty with the apprentices at work, they've got used to all-singing, all-dancing multimedia performances for lessons, and now I'm asking them to sit and do a job that might be a little boring, a little repetitive, but sometimes that's what the world of work is like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why aren't kids rushing to school? Why aren't they excited about their learning?

Some questions are more crucial than others. There's a fundamental problem here and a fine isn't going to fix it."

Because their parents don't give a shit. They don't appreciate what a difference a positive attitude to education can make to their kids life chances - possibly because they experienced a similar attitude from their own parents.

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By *ezjez369Man
over a year ago

london

But I bet now, your son would eventually thank you doing just as you did, so it worked....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why aren't kids rushing to school? Why aren't they excited about their learning?

Some questions are more crucial than others. There's a fundamental problem here and a fine isn't going to fix it.

Lessons could be the most exciting things in the world and some kids would still not want to be there.

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over a year ago

"Why aren't kids rushing to school? Why aren't they excited about their learning?

Some questions are more crucial than others. There's a fundamental problem here and a fine isn't going to fix it.

Lessons could be the most exciting things in the world and some kids would still not want to be there.

Then perhaps there's somewhere else they ought to be? Not everyone is made for the classroom.

So let's accept that and suck it up. Let's not question, or worse still, let's not encourage them to question and who knows, perhaps find a better way.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"If parents are fined for taking kids on holiday in school time, fined for kids being late - surely when teachers have days on strike it is only fair that the unions should be fined for depriving children of education if its that important. You can't have the rules only against the parents surely."

The them and us attitude doesn't help. Do you really think teachers strike because they don't give a shit about the kids?

When parents work WITH teachers the kids end up with the best chances.

People need to stop blaming teachers for all that's wrong. They care about the kids. They give up time with their families, share their lunches, even give lunch money to kids who would otherwise go without. Often they foot the bill for resources when schools run short so the kids don't go without.

How many people in work stick their hands in their pockets to fund their 'clients/customers/consumers/service users'?

Teachers only want that you send your kids in ready to learn and on time.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Why aren't kids rushing to school? Why aren't they excited about their learning?

Some questions are more crucial than others. There's a fundamental problem here and a fine isn't going to fix it.

Lessons could be the most exciting things in the world and some kids would still not want to be there.

I had one work placement who didn't do the post after day one. When I asked her where the post was her answer was that she had done it once so didn't see the need to do it again.

Her school later reported to me that the biggest thing I had done during her placement with me was to get her to understand turning up on time and ready to work. Sadly, that took so much effort I fear I didn't teach her much else.

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