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"Can I go to bed yet?" Lol, you know if you do we'll all run amok. 
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"Cleggy, cleggy, clegg? Oooh, easy win" And practically announcing his pending resignation | |||
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"Cleggy, cleggy, clegg? Oooh, easy win And practically announcing his pending resignation" Which would be a shame. He would have been a reassuring steadying hand again. | |||
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"Must Stay For Ed Balls (Time for a brief power nap again? I'm gonna be crap at work today)" You've got work today!! | |||
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"Must Stay For Ed Balls (Time for a brief power nap again? I'm gonna be crap at work today) You've got work today!!" Yes, but I've done 36 hour shifts on motorway possesions. Although I was so much younger then  | |||
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"The pollsters in the run up to yesterday must have polled the biggest bunch of liars "It seems like past polls. No one will admit to voting Tory for fear of being attacked , but privately they will. The left in politics can be far more vicious than the right. | |||
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"The pollsters in the run up to yesterday must have polled the biggest bunch of liars "Just thinking exactly this! | |||
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"Well that's all changed a bit since I went to bed.... Did everyone just massively lie to the pollsters or something? "Talking to friends last night , a lot didn't make their mind up until yesterday. | |||
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seriously though.... the tories played a brilliant divide and conquer game..... played up sturgeon in scotland, and playing up the sturgeon effect in england....
the snp won a battle, but that battle ended up in the greater scheme of things losing the war.....
milliband will be gone by the end of the weekend.... | |||
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"Ed Balls! This could be interesting...." recount in his vote had been ordered.... greens didn't win bristol west... all green hopes are now with caroline lucas in brighton.... | |||
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"actually... the small majority the right wing of the conservative party are going to have a ton of power to hold over cameron now, a small majority may well lurch the party further to the right than the coalition.... " Inevitably.  | |||
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"I fell asleep. Did End Balls keep his seat? I see I was right about Carswell and Reckless now just waiting to be right about Farage (and the claim they would sweep the board which they modified to 8 seats, ha!). Just hearing the Conservatives won't need the DUP - I think they will on close votes. How many left to declare?" ed balls seat has gone to recount... i think the conservatives will still work with the DUP on a confidence/supply agreement because it means they wont have to rely on some very rebelious tories.... | |||
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"I need to have a shower and get to work. While I still have a job before the next swathe of funding cuts. "Yep , if the Tories bring in everything in their manifesto - my job may only have a limited lifespan ! We shall see if they stick to what they said they'd do. | |||
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"actually... the small majority the right wing of the conservative party are going to have a ton of power to hold over cameron now, a small majority may well lurch the party further to the right than the coalition.... " Fingers crossed this won't mathematically be the case. Once 'devolution' is sorted, (ie the ability of the SNP to vote on English issues is removed) Cameron will have a working majority over Labour on most issues. | |||
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"Labour have failed spectacularly. The Lib Dems can hold their next meetings for returned MP's in my kitchen, I'll just have to borrow two seats from next door. How could a government so despised actually gain seats ? " They pushed hard to turn their coalition partner's seats to their own - look at the SW. Alongside talking up the SNP threat, which froze out Labour seats in England. And, of course, the smaller parties and a pissed off electorate voting for them. BoJo is an MP but will now have to wait three years for his leadership challenge. | |||
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"Labour have failed spectacularly. The Lib Dems can hold their next meetings for returned MP's in my kitchen, I'll just have to borrow two seats from next door. How could a government so despised actually gain seats ? " Because oeople are looking out for themselves and bit of self delusion is happeni g fact is nhs in five years will be defunct. Millions more will end up relying on food banks and yet folk think its good. No good the tory voters bleating about nhs etc they help cause its demise. Re the snp if the the poweres that were promised to them to kerp in uk had been delivered had been delivered the snp vote would have been less however by not doing so has damaged the uk system as such forever and for one would not blame them going for another independence vote. I might move there ? | |||
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"As long as the UK parliament changes the law on allowing Scotland to vote on English issues we should be ok. " Do you know something scotland are not remotely interested in having a say or voting in or on English issues you can quite happily keep that all to yourselves, you have listened to this guff that David Cameron and Farage have spouted and all the scaremongering racist xenophobic tripe they have come away with to keep their seats in Westminster congrats you all have a Tory government again no change there..... Plz don't complain about a Tory government this a Tory government that another 5yrs you have got them Scotland wants change,not to rule England, but it's too narrow minded to see that good luck..... | |||
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"The pollsters in the run up to yesterday must have polled the biggest bunch of liars "Exit polls, market research etc. I lie like a cheap Timex watch to all of them. | |||
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"The LibDems will go through one of their reshaping and renamings. What can they be this time? " How about the Democratic Liberals? I don't think they've used that one yet. | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time!" Wasn't paying to see your GP a labour proposition ? Maybe that's way they failed so spectacularly. | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Wasn't paying to see your GP a labour proposition ? Maybe that's way they failed so spectacularly. " I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....  | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time!" Blimey... calm down dude! I think it will be 5 more years of improvements, bucking the trend of most of the rest of the developed world with a strong economy etc. "Scotland wants change,not to rule England, but it's too narrow minded to see that good luck....." Nicola Sturgeon was very vocal, as were other members of her party, when they basically said they would hold Westminster to ransom if they were to find themselves in a position where they held the balance of power... thankfully we dodged a bullet there!  | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time!" Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. | |||
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"Blue is most definately the colour surrounding me, a very predictable outcome." Same here. He seems like a decent chap though he's well liked around here and it's not a wealthy area. | |||
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory.... "This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view. I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset. | |||
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view.
I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset. "This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics. This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats. | |||
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"Ed Balls - out " He's demanded a recount | |||
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"What a Balls up. " His wife has held her seat so he can be a stay at home husband, perhaps he is better at domestics than economics? | |||
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"Ed Balls - out " Conservative win and UKIP vote taken from Labour. | |||
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"What a Balls up. His wife has held her seat so he can be a stay at home husband, perhaps he is better at domestics than economics?" She has always been the better economist. | |||
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"Balls out. " And that is a really damning indictment of what his local electorate thought of him and his ability to take control of UK finances. | |||
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"What a Balls up. His wife has held her seat so he can be a stay at home husband, perhaps he is better at domestics than economics? She has always been the better economist. " She would be a strong leadership candidate, but I suspect being married to Ed will mean she wouldn't win, depsite her strong credentials. | |||
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"Ed Balls - out He's demanded a recount "I still have two , and they are still fully employed. | |||
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"Ed Balls - out Conservative win and UKIP vote taken from Labour. " Best result of the election | |||
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about
others who disagree with their point
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"What a Balls up. His wife has held her seat so he can be a stay at home husband, perhaps he is better at domestics than economics? She has always been the better economist. She would be a strong leadership candidate, but I suspect being married to Ed will mean she wouldn't win, depsite her strong credentials." Chuka for leader. | |||
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"How can the British population be so ignorant and lazy regarding getting off their bloody arses to vote? "I thought the turnout was quite good wasn't it? | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Blimey... calm down dude! I think it will be 5 more years of improvements, bucking the trend of most of the rest of the developed world with a strong economy etc. "Scotland wants change,not to rule England, but it's too narrow minded to see that good luck....." Nicola Sturgeon was very vocal, as were other members of her party, when they basically said they would hold Westminster to ransom if they were to find themselves in a position where they held the balance of power... thankfully we dodged a bullet there! "On issues that are important to all the working class people regarding not privatising the Nhs eradicating food banks and getting rid of the huge expense that is trident and ploughing it into where it's needed most for the whole of the country  | |||
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"What a Balls up. His wife has held her seat so he can be a stay at home husband, perhaps he is better at domestics than economics? She has always been the better economist. She would be a strong leadership candidate, but I suspect being married to Ed will mean she wouldn't win, depsite her strong credentials. Chuka for leader. " I lost a huge amount of respect for him after his newnight interview with Evan Davies a couple of weeks ago. I'm not sure he is what the Labour party needs right now. | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. " People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do. | |||
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"How can the British population be so ignorant and lazy regarding getting off their bloody arses to vote? "They predict the turnout will actually be quite high compared to past elections. | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do." So anyone who thinks differently from you is stupid ? | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do." Good morning, I see you are taking the result well. | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do. So anyone who thinks differently from you is stupid ? " Or the other two, yes. | |||
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" People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do." Morning Ed! What happened to the end of the Tories forever? My telly must be broken as it is predicting a majority of around 100 over Labour. Devolution and boundary changes still to come..... | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do." Clearly the moonshine economic theories that appeal to don't appeal to most others. Your predictions of a Tory wipe out and end of conservatism were quite simply so wide of the mark as to be laughable. The country has voted for a continued prudent approach and there is no need for you to insult the intelligence of people who disagree with your off the wall theories. | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do. So anyone who thinks differently from you is stupid ? Or the other two, yes." Says the person who yesterday predicted that this would be the end of the Torys forever. They will never win another election. I'm not suggesting you are stupid at all , but you were very wrong. | |||
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" People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do. Morning Ed! What happened to the end of the Tories forever? My telly must be broken as it is predicting a majority of around 100 over Labour. Devolution and boundary changes still to come..... " It will still happen, but sadly it will take another term to eradicate the Tories, not the swift cut that was expected. The results will be very, very different in five years, when the parlours state of the country will be such that even the most blinkered Tory voter will have a hard time believing their party telling them it is all the fault of a government ten years ago. And many Tory voters will have died of a combination of old age and a depleted National Health Service by 2020 | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. " | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do. Clearly the moonshine economic theories that appeal to don't appeal to most others. Your predictions of a Tory wipe out and end of conservatism were quite simply so wide of the mark as to be laughable. The country has voted for a continued prudent approach and there is no need for you to insult the intelligence of people who disagree with your off the wall theories." How is it an insult if it's true? No-one has denied it. | |||
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" People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do. Morning Ed! What happened to the end of the Tories forever? My telly must be broken as it is predicting a majority of around 100 over Labour. Devolution and boundary changes still to come..... It will still happen, but sadly it will take another term to eradicate the Tories, not the swift cut that was expected. The results will be very, very different in five years, when the parlours state of the country will be such that even the most blinkered Tory voter will have a hard time believing their party telling them it is all the fault of a government ten years ago. And many Tory voters will have died of a combination of old age and a depleted National Health Service by 2020 "With your track record of predictions I won't hold my breath for this to happen. Oh , and I wouldn't hand in your football pools coupon this weekend if I were you. | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do. Clearly the moonshine economic theories that appeal to don't appeal to most others. Your predictions of a Tory wipe out and end of conservatism were quite simply so wide of the mark as to be laughable. The country has voted for a continued prudent approach and there is no need for you to insult the intelligence of people who disagree with your off the wall theories. How is it an insult if it's true? No-one has denied it. "You might just want to look at the speeches of Douglas Alexander, Jim Murphy and Ed Balls, and see how easy it is to behave with class in defeat. Have you thought, for just one second, that the issue lies not with the "stupid" electorate, but with the Labour party which fundamentally failed to connect with the country?? | |||
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" People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do. Morning Ed! What happened to the end of the Tories forever? My telly must be broken as it is predicting a majority of around 100 over Labour. Devolution and boundary changes still to come..... It will still happen, but sadly it will take another term to eradicate the Tories, not the swift cut that was expected. The results will be very, very different in five years, when the parlours state of the country will be such that even the most blinkered Tory voter will have a hard time believing their party telling them it is all the fault of a government ten years ago. And many Tory voters will have died of a combination of old age and a depleted National Health Service by 2020
With your track record of predictions I won't hold my breath for this to happen.
Oh , and I wouldn't hand in your football pools coupon this weekend if I were you. "We can all agree I have been guilty of giving people who voted Tory far too much credit. I had thought them to be decent human beings, people for whom consideration for others was not an alien concept, and was proven starkly wrong. Sorry about that. | |||
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" It will still happen, but sadly it will take another term to eradicate the Tories, not the swift cut that was expected. The results will be very, very different in five years, when the parlours state of the country will be such that even the most blinkered Tory voter will have a hard time believing their party telling them it is all the fault of a government ten years ago. And many Tory voters will have died of a combination of old age and a depleted National Health Service by 2020 "Nah, "Dave, we're all Tory noooowwww" (In a "league of gentleman" style voice) The next generation are Tory too according to the results from the schools | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do. Clearly the moonshine economic theories that appeal to don't appeal to most others. Your predictions of a Tory wipe out and end of conservatism were quite simply so wide of the mark as to be laughable. The country has voted for a continued prudent approach and there is no need for you to insult the intelligence of people who disagree with your off the wall theories. How is it an insult if it's true? No-one has denied it.
You might just want to look at the speeches of Douglas Alexander, Jim Murphy and Ed Balls, and see how easy it is to behave with class in defeat. Have you thought, for just one second, that the issue lies not with the "stupid" electorate, but with the Labour party which fundamentally failed to connect with the country?? "Sorry, I don't agree. If the electorate can be led to vote by a media who ignore journalism and the reporting of facts in favour of promoting fiscal illiteracy that simply favours their owners, their are no other conclusions you can come to than the three I outlined. Class in defeat is neither here nor there. | |||
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" It will still happen, but sadly it will take another term to eradicate the Tories, not the swift cut that was expected. The results will be very, very different in five years, when the parlours state of the country will be such that even the most blinkered Tory voter will have a hard time believing their party telling them it is all the fault of a government ten years ago. And many Tory voters will have died of a combination of old age and a depleted National Health Service by 2020
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" It will still happen, but sadly it will take another term to eradicate the Tories, not the swift cut that was expected. The results will be very, very different in five years, when the parlours state of the country will be such that even the most blinkered Tory voter will have a hard time believing their party telling them it is all the fault of a government ten years ago. And many Tory voters will have died of a combination of old age and a depleted National Health Service by 2020
Nah,
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Everyone of school age is Tory. Then they grow up. "The irony of your vitriol, is that you, and others like you have contributed to the Labour defeat, and yet you cannot see it. | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do." I think all the above tells us much more about you than the electorate. Amazing how the anger and rage pours out of the left when people who don't agree with them don't vote 'correctly', as they see it. Clearly, not only has the true left lost (for almost 4 decades, (you could hardly call 'New' Labour left)) literally, but also philosophically, economically, morally. Hence your irrational anger. | |||
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" It will still happen, but sadly it will take another term to eradicate the Tories, not the swift cut that was expected. The results will be very, very different in five years, when the parlours state of the country will be such that even the most blinkered Tory voter will have a hard time believing their party telling them it is all the fault of a government ten years ago. And many Tory voters will have died of a combination of old age and a depleted National Health Service by 2020
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Everyone of school age is Tory. Then they grow up.
The irony of your vitriol, is that you, and others like you have contributed to the Labour defeat, and yet you cannot see it. "it is a fact that younger people have more left wing views that gradually change as they get older. The increased turn out of younger voters would normally favour the Labour Party | |||
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view.
I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset.
This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics.
This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats. "Oh yes, I have seen some vile comments, usually as a resort of toys being thrown out of the pram or when an argument can't be backed up. Apparently being a Tory supporter means you must be rich, vile, selfish scum... God forbid that you should just be realistic about what is possible compared to what's been promised and not trust certain parties based on YEARS of track records. (And bring on the onslaught) | |||
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"All i can say is that those who voted tories are ethier rich or taken in by there 'promises' which they will break asap. Then cut public services harder than ever before, privatise the nhs completely so you will pay to see a GP and take working class people back to victorian times so well done this country is well and truly screwed for the next 5 years and also with cameron wanting to leave during his tenure i can see bojo gaining the leadership in 3 or 4 years time! Your prediction of the future is as incorrect as the opinion polls were. People voted conservative for stability and because they recognise the need for continued prudence. People voted conservative for three reasons: 1) They are economically illiterate, and believe the false narrative constructed by billionaire newspaper owners. 2) They are intelligent, but completely unconcerned with the welfare of anyone other than themselves, 3) They are simply stupid. What a sorry day for British politics, possibly the worst in living memory. If you are a Tory voter, I won't waste my time observing that as an architect of the destruction of our country you hang your head in shame, as shame is an alien concept to the congenitally ignorant and self-centred. Is there any way Scotland can take Bristol with them? I feel disgusted that we have to be associated with the majority of England, I really do. I think all the above tells us much more about you than the electorate. Amazing how the anger and rage pours out of the left when people who don't agree with them don't vote 'correctly', as they see it. Clearly, not only has the true left lost (for almost 4 decades, (you could hardly call 'New' Labour left)) literally, but also philosophically, economically, morally. Hence your irrational anger." Don't mistake me for a Labour voter, I hate them too. You are right about the true left losing though...and that says far more about the electorate than it does about me. | |||
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view.
I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset.
This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics.
This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats.
Oh yes, I have seen some vile comments, usually as a resort of toys being thrown out of the pram or when an argument can't be backed up.
Apparently being a Tory supporter means you must be rich, vile, selfish scum...
God forbid that you should just be realistic about what is possible compared to what's been promised and not trust certain parties based on YEARS of track records.
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I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset.
This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics.
This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats. "Damn sure. If you are in the rural middle class the hatred is palpable. Regardless of policies I would never vote for anyone displaying that level of vitriol.  | |||
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view.
I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset.
This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics.
This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats.
Oh yes, I have seen some vile comments, usually as a resort of toys being thrown out of the pram or when an argument can't be backed up.
Apparently being a Tory supporter means you must be rich, vile, selfish scum...
God forbid that you should just be realistic about what is possible compared to what's been promised and not trust certain parties based on YEARS of track records.
(And bring on the onslaught)
The facts disprove your assertions. It's just that most people are to stupid to understand economics, and they rely on the Tory newspapers to massage the real meaning of the figures for them."And this again. "Stupid", "blind", "brainwashed", etc. I don't read newspapers full stop. I go off of my own experiences, as do most. And these so-called "facts" are usually twisted and turned to avoid the finger being pointed in the right direction. But the FACT I'm talking about here is that a lot of comments from left-wing supporters have been disgusting throughout this election. "If you do no agree with me, you're an idiot". | |||
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....only thing is I don't read the daily mail so almost.
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view.
I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset.
This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics.
This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats.
Oh yes, I have seen some vile comments, usually as a resort of toys being thrown out of the pram or when an argument can't be backed up.
Apparently being a Tory supporter means you must be rich, vile, selfish scum...
God forbid that you should just be realistic about what is possible compared to what's been promised and not trust certain parties based on YEARS of track records.
(And bring on the onslaught)
The facts disprove your assertions. It's just that most people are to stupid to understand economics, and they rely on the Tory newspapers to massage the real meaning of the figures for them.
And this again.
"Stupid", "blind", "brainwashed", etc.
I don't read newspapers full stop. I go off of my own experiences, as do most.
And these so-called "facts" are usually twisted and turned to avoid the finger being pointed in the right direction. But the FACT I'm talking about here is that a lot of comments from left-wing supporters have been disgusting throughout this election.
"If you do no agree with me, you're an idiot"."Don't forget this little cracker: "...most people are to stupid to understand economics...". So, not only have people voted 'incorrectly' in that person's view, they are also 'stupid'. How utterly, utterly blinkered, patronising, self-aggrandising and nasty. And not a little dangerous that sort of: thinking process. I'm sure Hitler started off thinking like that. Again if you keep loosing, it must be hard to take, but really, you should stop embarrassing yourself. | |||
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view.
I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset.
This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics.
This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats.
Oh yes, I have seen some vile comments, usually as a resort of toys being thrown out of the pram or when an argument can't be backed up.
Apparently being a Tory supporter means you must be rich, vile, selfish scum...
God forbid that you should just be realistic about what is possible compared to what's been promised and not trust certain parties based on YEARS of track records.
(And bring on the onslaught)
The facts disprove your assertions. It's just that most people are to stupid to understand economics, and they rely on the Tory newspapers to massage the real meaning of the figures for them.
And this again.
"Stupid", "blind", "brainwashed", etc.
I don't read newspapers full stop. I go off of my own experiences, as do most.
And these so-called "facts" are usually twisted and turned to avoid the finger being pointed in the right direction. But the FACT I'm talking about here is that a lot of comments from left-wing supporters have been disgusting throughout this election.
"If you do no agree with me, you're an idiot".
Don't forget this little cracker: "...most people are to stupid to understand economics...".
So, not only have people voted 'incorrectly' in that person's view, they are also 'stupid'.
How utterly, utterly blinkered, patronising, self-aggrandising and nasty. And not a little dangerous that sort of: thinking process. I'm sure Hitler started off thinking like that. Again if you keep loosing, it must be hard to take, but really, you should stop embarrassing yourself."Another example of blinkered Tories that the party relies on is that they seem to think that all the 'vile' comments come from the Left. The Tories on Fab have been just as insulting, if not moreso, than the more left wing fabbers to people of a different political persuasion than themselves. The mind boggles at how 'gracious' they would have been had the shoe been on the other foot. | |||
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"Well I actually voted Conservative because I don't think Cameron has done a bad job.
According to some you must be an economically illiterate, stupid imbecile who relies solely on the Daily Mail to inform you
That was only one of two options.
Let's not forget that the other is that you are an intelligent person, who has no regard for the welfare of others than yourself.
Only you know which one you are.
However, most Tories will fall into that category. This is why the polls got it wrong, why there is the 'shy Tory' effect. It's a fact that a large number of Tory voters are ashamed of their own self-centred nature, and are consequently ashamed to admit it in polite society. And who can blame them? They are dismantling this country brick by brick.
"Bullshit, there is another option which you've wilfully not written and that is the person voting like that is intelligent AND *does* have a regard for the welfare of others. What people who keep voting for lovely-seeming socialist policies keep forgetting is that whilst the arguments for those policies are difficult to argue with (it would be *lovely* if everybody all the same money / assets / whatever), that path always, ALWAYS has led to national economic disaster. The socialist experiment has been going on for over a century. And history shows us it does not work. And when the experiment does wrong - as it always does - the rich are less rich (sometimes), but still rich, but the poor are inevitably even poorer as a result. The 'poor' ultimately suffer from socialist policies when they inevitably go wrong, and economies need to be fixed. They're like turkeys, keep voting for Christmas... well the poor ones anyway - the rich socialists are the, erm, disingenuous ones, voting with their heart, and trot off with a warm glow but never thinking of the ultimate consequences for the poor - that is always blamed on the 'evil' people putting things right. So don't patronise with your ridiculous views of what people who vote Tory are like. | |||
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"Better to have fought and lost than to not have fought at all. I and I am sure many others on here admire your activism and considered and often thought provoking debate that is made without feeling the need to insult the intelligence of those who hold different views. Good luck with the posters and the shredding! | |||
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"Well I actually voted Conservative because I don't think Cameron has done a bad job.
According to some you must be an economically illiterate, stupid imbecile who relies solely on the Daily Mail to inform you
That was only one of two options.
Let's not forget that the other is that you are an intelligent person, who has no regard for the welfare of others than yourself.
Only you know which one you are.
However, most Tories will fall into that category. This is why the polls got it wrong, why there is the 'shy Tory' effect. It's a fact that a large number of Tory voters are ashamed of their own self-centred nature, and are consequently ashamed to admit it in polite society. And who can blame them? They are dismantling this country brick by brick.
"It's not a "shy Tory " effect it's that Tory voters are a little cautious of telling people who they vote for for fear of being branded stupid , illiterate , self serving , self centred people who have no regard for the welfare of others. | |||
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view.
I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset.
This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics.
This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats.
Oh yes, I have seen some vile comments, usually as a resort of toys being thrown out of the pram or when an argument can't be backed up.
Apparently being a Tory supporter means you must be rich, vile, selfish scum...
God forbid that you should just be realistic about what is possible compared to what's been promised and not trust certain parties based on YEARS of track records.
(And bring on the onslaught)
The facts disprove your assertions. It's just that most people are to stupid to understand economics, and they rely on the Tory newspapers to massage the real meaning of the figures for them.
And this again.
"Stupid", "blind", "brainwashed", etc.
I don't read newspapers full stop. I go off of my own experiences, as do most.
And these so-called "facts" are usually twisted and turned to avoid the finger being pointed in the right direction. But the FACT I'm talking about here is that a lot of comments from left-wing supporters have been disgusting throughout this election.
"If you do no agree with me, you're an idiot".
Don't forget this little cracker: "...most people are to stupid to understand economics...".
So, not only have people voted 'incorrectly' in that person's view, they are also 'stupid'.
How utterly, utterly blinkered, patronising, self-aggrandising and nasty. And not a little dangerous that sort of: thinking process. I'm sure Hitler started off thinking like that. Again if you keep loosing, it must be hard to take, but really, you should stop embarrassing yourself.
Another example of blinkered Tories that the party relies on is that they seem to think that all the 'vile' comments come from the Left.
The Tories on Fab have been just as insulting, if not moreso, than the more left wing fabbers to people of a different political persuasion than themselves.
The mind boggles at how 'gracious' they would have been had the shoe been on the other foot."Well, you're the one that's writing such comments on here. But as ever, evidence is dismissed and the litany continues... | |||
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view.
I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset.
This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics.
This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats.
Oh yes, I have seen some vile comments, usually as a resort of toys being thrown out of the pram or when an argument can't be backed up.
Apparently being a Tory supporter means you must be rich, vile, selfish scum...
God forbid that you should just be realistic about what is possible compared to what's been promised and not trust certain parties based on YEARS of track records.
(And bring on the onslaught)
The facts disprove your assertions. It's just that most people are to stupid to understand economics, and they rely on the Tory newspapers to massage the real meaning of the figures for them.
And this again.
"Stupid", "blind", "brainwashed", etc.
I don't read newspapers full stop. I go off of my own experiences, as do most.
And these so-called "facts" are usually twisted and turned to avoid the finger being pointed in the right direction. But the FACT I'm talking about here is that a lot of comments from left-wing supporters have been disgusting throughout this election.
"If you do no agree with me, you're an idiot".
Don't forget this little cracker: "...most people are to stupid to understand economics...".
So, not only have people voted 'incorrectly' in that person's view, they are also 'stupid'.
How utterly, utterly blinkered, patronising, self-aggrandising and nasty. And not a little dangerous that sort of: thinking process. I'm sure Hitler started off thinking like that. Again if you keep loosing, it must be hard to take, but really, you should stop embarrassing yourself.
Another example of blinkered Tories that the party relies on is that they seem to think that all the 'vile' comments come from the Left.
The Tories on Fab have been just as insulting, if not moreso, than the more left wing fabbers to people of a different political persuasion than themselves.
The mind boggles at how 'gracious' they would have been had the shoe been on the other foot."Please give an example of Tory supporters being more insulting than yourself | |||
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view.
I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset.
This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics.
This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats.
Oh yes, I have seen some vile comments, usually as a resort of toys being thrown out of the pram or when an argument can't be backed up.
Apparently being a Tory supporter means you must be rich, vile, selfish scum...
God forbid that you should just be realistic about what is possible compared to what's been promised and not trust certain parties based on YEARS of track records.
(And bring on the onslaught)
The facts disprove your assertions. It's just that most people are to stupid to understand economics, and they rely on the Tory newspapers to massage the real meaning of the figures for them.
And this again.
"Stupid", "blind", "brainwashed", etc.
I don't read newspapers full stop. I go off of my own experiences, as do most.
And these so-called "facts" are usually twisted and turned to avoid the finger being pointed in the right direction. But the FACT I'm talking about here is that a lot of comments from left-wing supporters have been disgusting throughout this election.
"If you do no agree with me, you're an idiot".
Don't forget this little cracker: "...most people are to stupid to understand economics...".
So, not only have people voted 'incorrectly' in that person's view, they are also 'stupid'.
How utterly, utterly blinkered, patronising, self-aggrandising and nasty. And not a little dangerous that sort of: thinking process. I'm sure Hitler started off thinking like that. Again if you keep loosing, it must be hard to take, but really, you should stop embarrassing yourself.
Another example of blinkered Tories that the party relies on is that they seem to think that all the 'vile' comments come from the Left.
The Tories on Fab have been just as insulting, if not moreso, than the more left wing fabbers to people of a different political persuasion than themselves.
The mind boggles at how 'gracious' they would have been had the shoe been on the other foot."Wow. And you say Tories are blinkered | |||
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"Well I actually voted Conservative because I don't think Cameron has done a bad job.
According to some you must be an economically illiterate, stupid imbecile who relies solely on the Daily Mail to inform you
That was only one of two options.
Let's not forget that the other is that you are an intelligent person, who has no regard for the welfare of others than yourself.
Only you know which one you are.
However, most Tories will fall into that category. This is why the polls got it wrong, why there is the 'shy Tory' effect. It's a fact that a large number of Tory voters are ashamed of their own self-centred nature, and are consequently ashamed to admit it in polite society. And who can blame them? They are dismantling this country brick by brick.
It's not a "shy Tory " effect it's that Tory voters are a little cautious of telling people who they vote for for fear of being branded stupid , illiterate , self serving , self centred people who have no regard for the welfare of others. "They are nothing if not cognisant of their own nature, at least. | |||
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"Well I actually voted Conservative because I don't think Cameron has done a bad job.
According to some you must be an economically illiterate, stupid imbecile who relies solely on the Daily Mail to inform you
That was only one of two options.
Let's not forget that the other is that you are an intelligent person, who has no regard for the welfare of others than yourself.
Only you know which one you are.
However, most Tories will fall into that category. This is why the polls got it wrong, why there is the 'shy Tory' effect. It's a fact that a large number of Tory voters are ashamed of their own self-centred nature, and are consequently ashamed to admit it in polite society. And who can blame them? They are dismantling this country brick by brick.
Bullshit, there is another option which you've wilfully not written and that is the person voting like that is intelligent AND *does* have a regard for the welfare of others.
What people who keep voting for lovely-seeming socialist policies keep forgetting is that whilst the arguments for those policies are difficult to argue with (it would be *lovely* if everybody all the same money / assets / whatever), that path always, ALWAYS has led to national economic disaster. The socialist experiment has been going on for over a century. And history shows us it does not work.
And when the experiment does wrong - as it always does - the rich are less rich (sometimes), but still rich, but the poor are inevitably even poorer as a result. The 'poor' ultimately suffer from socialist policies when they inevitably go wrong, and economies need to be fixed. They're like turkeys, keep voting for Christmas... well the poor ones anyway - the rich socialists are the, erm, disingenuous ones, voting with their heart, and trot off with a warm glow but never thinking of the ultimate consequences for the poor - that is always blamed on the 'evil' people putting things right.
So don't patronise with your ridiculous views of what people who vote Tory are like."Sweden Germany Japan Canada Australia India Yeah all completely hopeless economic wrecks | |||
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"Well I actually voted Conservative because I don't think Cameron has done a bad job.
According to some you must be an economically illiterate, stupid imbecile who relies solely on the Daily Mail to inform you
....only thing is I don't read the daily mail so almost.
But you must do? Surely? I can't believe you actually think for yourself?
I wonder how many people have blocked me now. "It's a good filter. I voted Conservative too. Not because I agree with everything they've done, but it was the best option on the day. | |||
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"Well I actually voted Conservative because I don't think Cameron has done a bad job.
According to some you must be an economically illiterate, stupid imbecile who relies solely on the Daily Mail to inform you
That was only one of two options.
Let's not forget that the other is that you are an intelligent person, who has no regard for the welfare of others than yourself.
Only you know which one you are.
However, most Tories will fall into that category. This is why the polls got it wrong, why there is the 'shy Tory' effect. It's a fact that a large number of Tory voters are ashamed of their own self-centred nature, and are consequently ashamed to admit it in polite society. And who can blame them? They are dismantling this country brick by brick.
"Or maybe they're just sick of trying to have a civilised debate with people who either resort to abuse or claim they must be stupid, ill-informed or self-centred... | |||
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Now, who wants a celebraTory bacon sarnie?
With chunky bread
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view.
I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset.
This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics.
This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats.
Oh yes, I have seen some vile comments, usually as a resort of toys being thrown out of the pram or when an argument can't be backed up.
Apparently being a Tory supporter means you must be rich, vile, selfish scum...
God forbid that you should just be realistic about what is possible compared to what's been promised and not trust certain parties based on YEARS of track records.
(And bring on the onslaught)
The facts disprove your assertions. It's just that most people are to stupid to understand economics, and they rely on the Tory newspapers to massage the real meaning of the figures for them.
And this again.
"Stupid", "blind", "brainwashed", etc.
I don't read newspapers full stop. I go off of my own experiences, as do most.
And these so-called "facts" are usually twisted and turned to avoid the finger being pointed in the right direction. But the FACT I'm talking about here is that a lot of comments from left-wing supporters have been disgusting throughout this election.
"If you do no agree with me, you're an idiot".
Don't forget this little cracker: "...most people are to stupid to understand economics...".
So, not only have people voted 'incorrectly' in that person's view, they are also 'stupid'.
How utterly, utterly blinkered, patronising, self-aggrandising and nasty. And not a little dangerous that sort of: thinking process. I'm sure Hitler started off thinking like that. Again if you keep loosing, it must be hard to take, but really, you should stop embarrassing yourself.
Another example of blinkered Tories that the party relies on is that they seem to think that all the 'vile' comments come from the Left.
The Tories on Fab have been just as insulting, if not moreso, than the more left wing fabbers to people of a different political persuasion than themselves.
The mind boggles at how 'gracious' they would have been had the shoe been on the other foot.
Please give an example of Tory supporters being more insulting than yourself "How about some of the abusive comments made about Gordon Brown? http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/361678 | |||
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"I have noticed that most of the bitter and "you must be stupid?" Comments have came from the people trying to claim the high moral ground. There is very little between the two major parties if you ignore the rhetoric. We are not voting for freedom from slavery vs Khmer Rouge and year Zero killing fields. In five years time you get to do it all again. " | |||
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"....... I think it was! The argument always falls flat for me when you are apparently 'rich' if you vote tory....
This is very true. Also, have you noticed how on all social media platforms the more left leaning the author, the more offensive and rude the author is about others who disagree with their point of view.
I have never heard a conservative supporter refer to others as scum, twat, cunt or any other word that is regularly used by those of a more socialist mindset.
This is more or less what I said earlier about people not admitting they voted Tory to the pollsters for fear of being branded scum. The language of the far left is vile and they are by far the most vicious hateful mob in British politics.
This maybe why the conservatives have actually gained seats.
Oh yes, I have seen some vile comments, usually as a resort of toys being thrown out of the pram or when an argument can't be backed up.
Apparently being a Tory supporter means you must be rich, vile, selfish scum...
God forbid that you should just be realistic about what is possible compared to what's been promised and not trust certain parties based on YEARS of track records.
(And bring on the onslaught)
The facts disprove your assertions. It's just that most people are to stupid to understand economics, and they rely on the Tory newspapers to massage the real meaning of the figures for them.
And this again.
"Stupid", "blind", "brainwashed", etc.
I don't read newspapers full stop. I go off of my own experiences, as do most.
And these so-called "facts" are usually twisted and turned to avoid the finger being pointed in the right direction. But the FACT I'm talking about here is that a lot of comments from left-wing supporters have been disgusting throughout this election.
"If you do no agree with me, you're an idiot".
Don't forget this little cracker: "...most people are to stupid to understand economics...".
So, not only have people voted 'incorrectly' in that person's view, they are also 'stupid'.
How utterly, utterly blinkered, patronising, self-aggrandising and nasty. And not a little dangerous that sort of: thinking process. I'm sure Hitler started off thinking like that. Again if you keep loosing, it must be hard to take, but really, you should stop embarrassing yourself.
Another example of blinkered Tories that the party relies on is that they seem to think that all the 'vile' comments come from the Left.
The Tories on Fab have been just as insulting, if not moreso, than the more left wing fabbers to people of a different political persuasion than themselves.
The mind boggles at how 'gracious' they would have been had the shoe been on the other foot.
Please give an example of Tory supporters being more insulting than yourself "Please go back and read the last six months of Fab Lounge! | |||
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