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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

So as not to take the plus size thread off topic...

Anyone see the news this morning about the looming obesity crisis and its potential to bankrupt the NHS?

Maybe the time will come sooner, rather than later whereby referring to overweight guys as chunky and cuddly or overweight women as big beautiful women will be seen as being irresponsible. The evidence is clear, we eat too much, move too little and then try to make ourselves feel better about our shapes by creating labels like cuddly and bbw whilst the NHS buckles under the strain.

Will we all need to accept that the responsible future is for men to have a waistline between 30" - 36" and women to be no smaller than a size 10 and no bigger than a size 16?

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol I'll come back later.

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By *alldarkhandsomedaveMan
over a year ago

Derby

You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe people are educated,, people just make crap choices because of convenience.

The world has changed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

Does that mean fat people won't have to pay into the NHS system?

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By *alldarkhandsomedaveMan
over a year ago

Derby

"You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

Does that mean fat people won't have to pay into the NHS system?"

No, they still have to pay as they will be eligible for other non-weight related issues.

I should say that my view applies to other self inflicted issues, such as smoking and drinking (and no it doesn't cover people breaking their leg in an accident playing football!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

Does that mean fat people won't have to pay into the NHS system?

No, they still have to pay as they will be eligible for other non-weight related issues.

I should say that my view applies to other self inflicted issues, such as smoking and drinking (and no it doesn't cover people breaking their leg in an accident playing football!)

So if a 12 year old kid experiments with drugs for the first time and has a reaction we are just leaving them to die are we?

Scrapping sexual health clinics?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So as not to take the plus size thread off topic...

Anyone see the news this morning about the looming obesity crisis and its potential to bankrupt the NHS?

Will we all need to accept that the responsible future is for men to have a waistline between 30" - 36" and women to be no smaller than a size 10 and no bigger than a size 16?

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?"

Well, I'm 5ft1, 55kg with a 25" waist and can currently run 2.5km.

My male partner is 6ft, 108kg with a 46" waist and can run over 10km at a good pace.

I know which one of us is healthier...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just saw a headline predicting a third of all adults will be obese, two thirds will be fat within 15 years.

That's pretty depressing.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

Does that mean fat people won't have to pay into the NHS system?"

The NHS will probably have to change from being simply reactive to being more proactive. Preventing someone arriving in hospital has got to be better than them arriving there and having to then treat them possibly for the rest of their lives.

I wonder if using terms like cuddly and BBW will just become uncool because of an association with furthering an unacceptable body shape that is in fact very dangerous and costly to everyone.

It was once uncool to wear a crash helmet on a motorcycle or fasten your seat belt in a car. Look how things have changed in that respect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So as not to take the plus size thread off topic...

Anyone see the news this morning about the looming obesity crisis and its potential to bankrupt the NHS?

Will we all need to accept that the responsible future is for men to have a waistline between 30" - 36" and women to be no smaller than a size 10 and no bigger than a size 16?

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?"

Whilst I don't want to go off topic, nor hijack the thread, but smokers put a massive strain on the nhs too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So as not to take the plus size thread off topic...

Anyone see the news this morning about the looming obesity crisis and its potential to bankrupt the NHS?

Will we all need to accept that the responsible future is for men to have a waistline between 30" - 36" and women to be no smaller than a size 10 and no bigger than a size 16?

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?

Well, I'm 5ft1, 55kg with a 25" waist and can currently run 2.5km.

My male partner is 6ft, 108kg with a 46" waist and can run over 10km at a good pace.

I know which one of us is healthier..."

Also, if I was a size 10 I'd actually be overweight for my size.

So... perhaps you could try making a post that isn't just full of random junk statistics?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw the article last week about that lady who had to be taken to hospital after a multi agency rescue operation costing over 100k.

She has had so much support including tax payer funded 15k trips to weight loss camps in the U.S. and still chooses to live her life in that manner.

She often eats 7 kebabs in one sitting it's so sad to see but people who are supplying this lady with Junk food are just as bad for fueling her vicious cycle.

I see no solution to these problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So as not to take the plus size thread off topic...

Anyone see the news this morning about the looming obesity crisis and its potential to bankrupt the NHS?

Will we all need to accept that the responsible future is for men to have a waistline between 30" - 36" and women to be no smaller than a size 10 and no bigger than a size 16?

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?

Well, I'm 5ft1, 55kg with a 25" waist and can currently run 2.5km.

My male partner is 6ft, 108kg with a 46" waist and can run over 10km at a good pace.

I know which one of us is healthier...

Also, if I was a size 10 I'd actually be overweight for my size.

So... perhaps you could try making a post that isn't just full of random junk statistics?"

I find the stats just as useful as your anecdotes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

Does that mean fat people won't have to pay into the NHS system?

I wonder if using terms like cuddly and BBW will just become uncool because of an association with furthering an unacceptable body shape that is in fact very dangerous and costly to everyone.

It was once uncool to wear a crash helmet on a motorcycle or fasten your seat belt in a car. Look how things have changed in that respect."

What i don't understand about the NHS is why have a definition of morbidly obese and then spend a fortune in trying to change the outcome?

Let nature takes it's course.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

Whilst I don't want to go off topic, nor hijack the thread, but smokers put a massive strain on the nhs too."

They do... But

We unintentionally further the damage caused by obesity by creating acceptable names for it in order to make bigger people feel better about themselves. Should we be doing that?

The fashion industry is finally taking action against the problem of being underweight and making the image of being underweight to be unacceptable.

No one is making up names and labels to make smokers feel good about themselves or portraying images that ease the conscience of voters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So as not to take the plus size thread off topic...

Anyone see the news this morning about the looming obesity crisis and its potential to bankrupt the NHS?

Will we all need to accept that the responsible future is for men to have a waistline between 30" - 36" and women to be no smaller than a size 10 and no bigger than a size 16?

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?

Well, I'm 5ft1, 55kg with a 25" waist and can currently run 2.5km.

My male partner is 6ft, 108kg with a 46" waist and can run over 10km at a good pace.

I know which one of us is healthier...

Also, if I was a size 10 I'd actually be overweight for my size.

So... perhaps you could try making a post that isn't just full of random junk statistics?

I find the stats just as useful as your anecdotes

Ooooof right in the feels.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

what happened to everyone being able to choose for themselves what they want to do or what they want to be

its ok for people saying you should be a certain size but many are not

so why should an interfering health body get involved or even work or the dwp demand that you lose weight or get rid of your health issues just to suit them

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"So as not to take the plus size thread off topic...

Anyone see the news this morning about the looming obesity crisis and its potential to bankrupt the NHS?

Will we all need to accept that the responsible future is for men to have a waistline between 30" - 36" and women to be no smaller than a size 10 and no bigger than a size 16?

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?

Whilst I don't want to go off topic, nor hijack the thread, but smokers put a massive strain on the nhs too."

If you're suggesting we tax food that meets certain criteria for being unhealthy in the way we do for cigarettes then I'm all for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what happened to everyone being able to choose for themselves what they want to do or what they want to be

its ok for people saying you should be a certain size but many are not

so why should an interfering health body get involved or even work or the dwp demand that you lose weight or get rid of your health issues just to suit them "

I kind of like health advice.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Just saw a headline predicting a third of all adults will be obese, two thirds will be fat within 15 years.

That's pretty depressing. "

The WHO did warn that the quality of data was low and that it was only a projection.

One of the points they raised was that data needs to be more accurate if people/professionals/government want better stats.

But yeah, 75% of men being overweight is a real shock.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

Well, I'm 5ft1, 55kg with a 25" waist and can currently run 2.5km.

My male partner is 6ft, 108kg with a 46" waist and can run over 10km at a good pace.

I know which one of us is healthier...

Also, if I was a size 10 I'd actually be overweight for my size.

So... perhaps you could try making a post that isn't just full of random junk statistics?

I find the stats just as useful as your anecdotes "

1) Your partner cannot be 6ft tall, 108Kgs AND have a 46" waist unless he is a very unusual shape. I am a couple of inches shorter and at my heaviest was 105Kg and a 38" waist.

2) No-one is making up random statistics other than you who once again is trying to find exceptions to the things that others post. There is a news story on TV now about obesity - this is a valid topic.

If you don't like it, dont post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if obesity is actually the biggest threat to the NHS then its our duty to stop being fattys

its actually an easy fix aswell

eat less/exercise more

tadaaaa!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On a related note I've just taken the seat of an attractive woman in a cafe (she did let me!) and discovered she's left half of a very tasty looking cake behind.

I can see how it goes wrong now.. yum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i should be an MP

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"what happened to everyone being able to choose for themselves what they want to do or what they want to be

its ok for people saying you should be a certain size but many are not

so why should an interfering health body get involved or even work or the dwp demand that you lose weight or get rid of your health issues just to suit them "

Because the cost of treating a nation full of preventable diabetes is astronomical. So great, that it could overwhelm the NHS.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?"

I think thats the only thing you could do, is try and educate people as to what they are eating ( although no amount of education will help when I want to eat something naughty ) so I suppose education will only work if people want to take notice of it.

BUT....why just one set of NHS potential patients... What about smokers, drinkers, risk takers, infected tatoos, stubbed toes that end up broken, sports injuries etc etc...will they need educating to stop any risks in life or choices?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Toohot - are you talking about something that's on TV or the WHO stats that came out?

I thinking of the wrong thing I think.

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

I can't win. Lambasted for being a smoker, give up smoking and gain weight and being lambasted again!

Maybe now I am not propping up the NHS coffers with my fag tax I am just a waste of space!?!?

Can't wait for the alcoholic thread, I can be excused from that one

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By *ench and StripeCouple
over a year ago

Stenalees

Wow some real bile in this thread.

Mr here.

I'm 6'4" 25st and currently on the route for bariatic surgery. Almost all of my weight was put on over 17 years ago due to depression and mental health problems. Add to this the proven addictive nature of high fat and sugar foods and I've struggled to loose weight time and time again never getting back under 20st and being over 28st at my heaviest.

Apart from the weight I'm considered healthy and fit. I do at least the recommended levels of exercise a week but my diet is still bad mainly due to financial difficulties and the fact that I'm addicted to fatty foods.

This surgery while expensive is the beat chance of reducing my weight and in the long run will save the NHS thousands of pounds by helping to prevent weight based problems like diabetis in future.

Not all people who are fat are lazy. Most people who are fat are fighting it somehow. No body is perfect and no 2 peoples situations are identical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree that everyone should try to be as healthy as possible, but if you start limiting NHS availability to those overweight where do you stop? Drug and alcohol addiction both start with a conscious choice, those with HIV or aids, Std's, high cholestral can all be considered to be down to lifestyle choice, why just pick on the overweight just because society has put a sugarcoated label on them.

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

"I can't win. Lambasted for being a smoker, give up smoking and gain weight and being lambasted again!

Maybe now I am not propping up the NHS coffers with my fag tax I am just a waste of space!?!?

Can't wait for the alcoholic thread, I can be excused from that one

And the druggie one

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"if obesity is actually the biggest threat to the NHS then its our duty to stop being fattys

its actually an easy fix aswell

eat less/exercise more

tadaaaa!

And collectively stop furthering the problem in others by making them feel better about it by describing them as cuddly and big and beautiful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well, I'm 5ft1, 55kg with a 25" waist and can currently run 2.5km.

My male partner is 6ft, 108kg with a 46" waist and can run over 10km at a good pace.

I know which one of us is healthier...

Also, if I was a size 10 I'd actually be overweight for my size.

So... perhaps you could try making a post that isn't just full of random junk statistics?

I find the stats just as useful as your anecdotes

1) Your partner cannot be 6ft tall, 108Kgs AND have a 46" waist unless he is a very unusual shape. I am a couple of inches shorter and at my heaviest was 105Kg and a 38" waist.

If you don't like it, dont post

He is, I have his stats right here because I make costume. The largest portion is his abdomen is 46inches.

He wears a 38" trouser and his gut hangs over it. Commercial trouser size isn't the same as an actual waist size measurement.

Your random assertion that 'women should be size 10 at a minimum' is wrong. It would mean that many petite women like myself were overweight, if not obese.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if obesity is actually the biggest threat to the NHS then its our duty to stop being fattys

its actually an easy fix aswell

eat less/exercise more

tadaaaa!

And collectively stop furthering the problem in others by making them feel better about it by describing them as cuddly and big and beautiful. "

Kinda follow this. You wouldn't go up to a smoker and say your fingers look a beautiful shade of yellow

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

Because we don't invent cute and inoffensive labels to make smokers, druggies and alcoholics feel better about themselves.

On the other hand, because we either feel sorry for them or genuinely feel we are helping we tend to defend larger sized people by inventing cute labels for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what happened to everyone being able to choose for themselves what they want to do or what they want to be

its ok for people saying you should be a certain size but many are not

so why should an interfering health body get involved or even work or the dwp demand that you lose weight or get rid of your health issues just to suit them "

Being over weight is fine so long as your still mobile and healthy

I do community nursing and have over the years been into a lot of obese people who are bed bound

People who are clinically obese usually have a mental problem at the root of their weight and saying go on a diet isn't going to work

They feel isolated and misunderstood which only adds to their problem, getting to the root of their problem is the key

Turning them away from medical help because they are fat will not help anybody

Just out of interest would anyone who would stop obese people from getting help on the NHS also turn away anorexic people?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Because we don't invent cute and inoffensive labels to make smokers, druggies and alcoholics feel better about themselves.

On the other hand, because we either feel sorry for them or genuinely feel we are helping we tend to defend larger sized people by inventing cute labels for them."

So you have a problem with the "cute" names rather than they MIGHT need medical help?

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By *uitar_antiheroMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Well, I'm 5ft1, 55kg with a 25" waist and can currently run 2.5km.

My male partner is 6ft, 108kg with a 46" waist and can run over 10km at a good pace.

I know which one of us is healthier...

Also, if I was a size 10 I'd actually be overweight for my size.

So... perhaps you could try making a post that isn't just full of random junk statistics?

I find the stats just as useful as your anecdotes

1) Your partner cannot be 6ft tall, 108Kgs AND have a 46" waist unless he is a very unusual shape. I am a couple of inches shorter and at my heaviest was 105Kg and a 38" waist.

If you don't like it, dont post

Hahahaha I wondered about this partner too. I imagined a beachball shaped guy with wee arms & legs poking out. If I put on 20kg I don't think it would equate to an extra 14inches on my waist surely?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hahahaha I wondered about this partner too. I imagined a beachball shaped guy with wee arms & legs poking out. If I put on 20kg I don't think it would equate to an extra 14inches on my waist surely?!"

It depends where you put it on. Some men put it *all* on their guts. Other put it on across their backs, shoulders, chests, legs, etc.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Toohot - are you talking about something that's on TV or the WHO stats that came out?

I thinking of the wrong thing I think.

On Sky News all day

http://news.sky.com/story/1478388/europe-heading-for-obesity-epidemic-by-2030

73% of men and 63% of women on course for being obese and at risk of becoming diabetic within 15 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a Society I think we would have real problems turning someone away in need of help and medical care. It would be a shameful part of history that's for sure.

It's the support and management of people in that situation that needs to be revolutionised with some drastic changes made instead of maintaining them.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Does anyone know if weight loss surgery when someone is younger has the long term effect of keeping their weight off?

In certain situations that might be cost effective.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

So you have a problem with the "cute" names rather than they MIGHT need medical help?"

Absolutely not. I am just saying that the time must come when society falls out with the notion of being overweight in the same way that it fell out with:

Riding without a crash helmet

Driving without a seat belt

Drinking and driving

Will we look back in 10 - 20 years in horror because we effectively made peoples lives worse by apologising for their condition by giving it a cute name instead of really doing something to help?

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

Listen fattys my chocolate digestives taste like shite. Your fault. Sort your lives out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anyone know if weight loss surgery when someone is younger has the long term effect of keeping their weight off?

In certain situations that might be cost effective. "

Weight loss surgery such as gastric bands do not work for everybody, you still have to have some level of commitment for them to work, it is possible to stretch your stomach back to a normal size, some liquidize food and bulk up calories

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Wow some real bile in this thread.

Mr here.

This surgery while expensive is the beat chance of reducing my weight and in the long run will save the NHS thousands of pounds by helping to prevent weight based problems like diabetis in future.

Not all people who are fat are lazy. Most people who are fat are fighting it somehow. No body is perfect and no 2 peoples situations are identical."

There is no bile.

And of course there are exceptions to the rule.

But 73% of men and 63% of women do not have medical or mental issues that are making them overweight.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?

This..

there are many issue's within society that have an effect on the resources of the NHS, any policy that looks to partially restrict use of the service or possibly attract some sort of extra costs would need to apply to all of the above and others..

and just who decides who is more 'needing' of care when the choice is between an obese person, a sports player or just someone who didn't have properly maintained tyres and had a biff..?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Does anyone know if weight loss surgery when someone is younger has the long term effect of keeping their weight off?

In certain situations that might be cost effective.

It's very risky and expensive then if no guaranteed results. Thanks for letting me know, Google would have taken ages to come up with stats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe that the NHS is there to treat people who are ill, regardless of why they have become ill. If we ask it to make moral judgements, healthcare becomes a minefield.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

" Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?

This..

and just who decides who is more 'needing' of care when the choice is between an obese person, a sports player or just someone who didn't have properly maintained tyres and had a biff..? "

Hypothetical question....

By perception, the NHS is free. Let's just say that it was not free and that some, part or all of the treatment had to be paid for.

Do you think that people may be more motivated to take better care of themselves so that they don't unnecessarily expose themselves to financial exposure?

If we say that the NHS will treat everyone irrespective of the circumstances and make no efforts to take proactive and preventative action then we are all just mind numbingly peeing our taxes away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did that work out in the US?

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By *uitar_antiheroMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"How did that work out in the US?"

Worked out fine, they're all slim & fit & the guys are ripped. Don't you watch the movies?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How did that work out in the US?

Worked out fine, they're all slim & fit & the guys are ripped. Don't you watch the movies?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

Does that mean fat people won't have to pay into the NHS system?

No, they still have to pay as they will be eligible for other non-weight related issues.

I should say that my view applies to other self inflicted issues, such as smoking and drinking (and no it doesn't cover people breaking their leg in an accident playing football!)

Do people who do dangerous sports have to have private medical insurance? Hang-gliders,mountaineers,snowboarders? I don't mean if they go on holiday and have to have it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely the fatties are all going to die earlier than their predecessors, thereby solving the real funding crisis in the NHS and social care which is the ageing population? Could also sort out that ticking pensions time bomb.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

whilst we are on the subject of not having this or that with the smokers and the people that should not eat too much how about the ones that drink

so lets ban alcohol then as that causes more issues than anything else

criminal damage

assaults

liver damage

and early death to some

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

Does that mean fat people won't have to pay into the NHS system?

No, they still have to pay as they will be eligible for other non-weight related issues.

I should say that my view applies to other self inflicted issues, such as smoking and drinking (and no it doesn't cover people breaking their leg in an accident playing football!)

Do people who do dangerous sports have to have private medical insurance? Hang-gliders,mountaineers,snowboarders? I don't mean if they go on holiday and have to have it. "

theese are accidents. Nobody accidently ate 12 pizzas

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By *ench and StripeCouple
over a year ago

Stenalees

If we switch to a pay system like the US with the current state of peoples pay most families just won't be able to afford healthcare.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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So you have a problem with the "cute" names rather than they MIGHT need medical help?

Absolutely not. I am just saying that the time must come when society falls out with the notion of being overweight in the same way that it fell out with:

Riding without a crash helmet

Driving without a seat belt

Drinking and driving

Will we look back in 10 - 20 years in horror because we effectively made peoples lives worse by apologising for their condition by giving it a cute name instead of really doing something to help?"

I don't think it is as easy as that.

I am sure the people who don't like being overweight don't stay overweight just because someone called them cuddly.

The only help seems to be to tell people they are not worthy, unattractive, a drain on society. Lecturing doesn't work.

Having said that, there is an assumption that larger people want the "help"... they may be happy how they live....just like the smokers/ drinkers / risk takers are happy with their life.

I am struggling to find an answer for the "apologising" comment other than it sounds very condescending.

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By *uitar_antiheroMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The thing that frightens me is the health of some. At uni & around about it I see hundreds of people daily & I would say most of the girls are size 14 or smaller & the guys are mostly waist of about 30-36. I'm a 32 waist, 38 chest & I often feel like the fatty at uni & among my friends. The point is, if the AVERAGE sizes are what 16 dress for women, 38 waist for men then where are all these super huge people bringing the averages up? My day to day life would tell me the average woman is a 12 & average guys waist is 34.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who would decide what the threshold for 'unhealthy and therefore irresponsible' is? I'm obese. I would have to lose 5 stone just to get to the upper end of my alleged healthy weight range. My blood pressure, blood sugar and cholesterol are all perfect. I know I need to lose weight and I'm tackling it. But say I never get to that magic BMI figure of 25 (I won't; I've never weighed that in my adult life, and I used to be a size 12). Do I get charged or denied treatment while an underweight drug addict does? Or an alcoholic? Or someone with a preexisting condition who just hasn't managed it properly? Or a thin person who has led an unhealthy lifestyle but happens to be thin?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The thing that frightens me is the health of some. At uni & around about it I see hundreds of people daily & I would say most of the girls are size 14 or smaller & the guys are mostly waist of about 30-36. I'm a 32 waist, 38 chest & I often feel like the fatty at uni & among my friends. The point is, if the AVERAGE sizes are what 16 dress for women, 38 waist for men then where are all these super huge people bringing the averages up? My day to day life would tell me the average woman is a 12 & average guys waist is 34. "

I was just thinking this the other day. I'm the fattest of my friends by a mile. My family are all slim and healthy, as are about 80% of the people in my workplace. When I go to the gym or swimming it's rare for me to see anyone my size or above. Where are all the fat people?!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

Does that mean fat people won't have to pay into the NHS system?

No, they still have to pay as they will be eligible for other non-weight related issues.

I should say that my view applies to other self inflicted issues, such as smoking and drinking (and no it doesn't cover people breaking their leg in an accident playing football!)

Do people who do dangerous sports have to have private medical insurance? Hang-gliders,mountaineers,snowboarders? I don't mean if they go on holiday and have to have it.

theese are accidents. Nobody accidently ate 12 pizzas

But to have that accident they put themselves up for it...self inflicted just like the 12 pizzas

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

"So as not to take the plus size thread off topic...

Anyone see the news this morning about the looming obesity crisis and its potential to bankrupt the NHS?

Will we all need to accept that the responsible future is for men to have a waistline between 30" - 36" and women to be no smaller than a size 10 and no bigger than a size 16?

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?"

You sound like a politician in a debate lol

No i agree studying an having first hand exsperence working with obese people. There are many reasons why people shed the tire. In Maine cases some people enjoy being clinically obese. They enjoy and do not want to change. Just one reason of course.

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

"You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

I already fund my nhs care, through the taxes I pay!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think calling then beautiful is encouraging anything either. It's just people really do feel that way about them. Some big ladies and gents are gorgeous and people can't help finding them attractive.

Yes it may not be healthy eventually but does that even matter, since when does everyone have to live forever anyway?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its about education and eating right. I done it for years, anyone can do it and most of all its about calorie control and will power and yes don't drink sodas or alcohol either cos they got calories and as well extra calories, remember per one gram of them beers its another 9 calories as well as in wine.

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

Does that mean fat people won't have to pay into the NHS system?

No, they still have to pay as they will be eligible for other non-weight related issues.

I should say that my view applies to other self inflicted issues, such as smoking and drinking (and no it doesn't cover people breaking their leg in an accident playing football!)

Do people who do dangerous sports have to have private medical insurance? Hang-gliders,mountaineers,snowboarders? I don't mean if they go on holiday and have to have it.

theese are accidents. Nobody accidently ate 12 pizzas

But to have that accident they put themselves up for it...self inflicted just like the 12 pizzas"

did you just compare playing sports to eating 12 pizzas?

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

Coooooooeeeeeeeee

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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But to have that accident they put themselves up for it...self inflicted just like the 12 pizzas

did you just compare playing sports to eating 12 pizzas?

No, but I think you know that really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are overweight for a whole range of reasons. Lifestyle, diet, finances, mental health, illness, I'm pretty sure the proportion who are overweight by "choice" is pretty slim (pardon the pun) and there never will be a quick fix.

In this country we have the NHS which treats people regardless of who they are. Maybe if we had to pay for our own care we'd do things differently-I'm pretty sure that's not how it works in the USA though.

Society is forever evolving and as a community we adapt-that's the way it has to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So as not to take the plus size thread off topic...

Anyone see the news this morning about the looming obesity crisis and its potential to bankrupt the NHS?

Will we all need to accept that the responsible future is for men to have a waistline between 30" - 36" and women to be no smaller than a size 10 and no bigger than a size 16?

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?

Well, I'm 5ft1, 55kg with a 25" waist and can currently run 2.5km.

My male partner is 6ft, 108kg with a 46" waist and can run over 10km at a good pace.

I know which one of us is healthier..."

108kg and 46" waist? I think you're making him far too podgy. I'm 115kg and have a 36" waist

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By *ench and StripeCouple
over a year ago

Stenalees

Another problem as I pointed out above. High fat/high sugar foods are addictive. Some people find them as hard as some hard drugs to break away from and so easy to go back to. Add to this that an unhealthy diet is considerably cheaper to maintain than a healthy diet. Other factors like convenience can play a crucial role as well. My worst time was when working 72 hour weeks 13 days on 1 day off. I was exhausted and regularly ate crap foods and take away for almost every meal as I just could face cooking quality meals as I was so tired.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ahhh, just seen further down the thread. Apologies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a myth that it's cheaper to eat unhealthy diet to a healthy one.

People just need to start thinking differently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People just need to start thinking differently."

Cos it's that easy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People just need to start thinking differently.

Cos it's that easy? "

Well isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me i think once your weight be it under or over is affecting your health you need to do something

Personally speaking atm Im too lazy to diet its nothing to do with money or what people think of me but I must admit while I still get attention for being a bbw Im less likely to diet unless my health gets worse

I don't want to be a burden on the nhs but on the other hand is My anxiety issues also a burden?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not a myth here, if i fill the shopping trolley up with ready meals crisps and choc it costs far less than raw meat, fresh or even frozen veg, fruit etc.

We pay a fortune to eat heathily in this house and i am still fat ( note i said fat not bbw or cuddly lol )

I never call myself anything other than fat and i am lucky cus i have no weight related health issues although i do have injury related one which many people presume to be related to my weight, really annoys me sometimes but not today cus i am laughing at this thread and the replies where people tell others they must be wrong about the size of one of their partners .... !!!

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

Im overweight ..

I also have an underactive thyroid .. I eat too much ... I agree .. I do eat veg n salads but you have to eat smaller portions to lose weight

My doctor referred me to have a gastric band ... but when I got om the course .. it was a weight management plan ... ie a healthy eating calorie plan ...

I was told the NHS wouldnt give me a gastric band as they didnt work ... only a sleeve or a by pass ... that to me was a little too drastic. .

I did lose 24pounds ... but then my mum died ... and I put it all back on ...

I feel like ive gone round in a circle ... and that if the NHS had allowed me to have at least the option to have a gastric band ... 18 months later I COULD have been a lot lighter as I know I eat too much

...but find portion control very difficult ....im looking now to save or take a loan on to pay for a gastric band ...meanwhile I still have to take medication prescribed by the Nhs every day ....weight loss classes are great if you can keep the weight off...ive struggled all my life ... if only the Nhs would consider me for a gastric band I might not still be in this vicious circle

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"........ but I must admit while I still get attention for being a bbw Im less likely to diet....."

And this is tragic. I wish you all the best in sortiing out the things that you need to sort out. Good luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got lambasted and accused as being part of the problem when I last commented on a similar discussion, however it can't be denied that there is a recurring theme of excuses and victimisation.

I'm not directing that anybody in particular and I appreciate that some people are genuinely unfortunate victims of circumstance - but they're the minority.

The majority need to get off their ass, eat better, change their mindset and stop playing the victim if they want to lose weight.

I haven't a clue what's to be done about those that don't want to lose weight - and I suspect in truth that's a substantial amount of people. It's not a lifestyle choice I understand but ultimately I suppose people have to have the right to choose it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"........ but I must admit while I still get attention for being a bbw Im less likely to diet.....

And this is tragic. I wish you all the best in sortiing out the things that you need to sort out. Good luck

I did lose two St a few years ago so I no I can do it again its just the motivation Im lacking x

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I got lambasted and accused as being part of the problem when I last commented on a similar discussion, however it can't be denied that there is a recurring theme of excuses and victimisation.

I'm not directing that anybody in particular and I appreciate that some people are genuinely unfortunate victims of circumstance - but they're the minority.

The majority need to get off their ass, eat better, change their mindset and stop playing the victim if they want to lose weight.

You are right. We are a nation of apologists and blameists.

Eating healthy is not expensive - we just need to want to do it and be prepared to change. I would say that our shopping bill has gone down since we stopped buying pizza and ready meals.

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By *ench and StripeCouple
over a year ago

Stenalees

"It's a myth that it's cheaper to eat unhealthy diet to a healthy one.

People just need to start thinking differently."

Seriously try it

A solid healthy evening meal at its cheapest is £2 per person I can eat a crap meal that's just as or more filling from £0.50

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I got lambasted and accused as being part of the problem when I last commented on a similar discussion, however it can't be denied that there is a recurring theme of excuses and victimisation.

I'm not directing that anybody in particular and I appreciate that some people are genuinely unfortunate victims of circumstance - but they're the minority.

The majority need to get off their ass, eat better, change their mindset and stop playing the victim if they want to lose weight.

I have no circumstances or medical reasons for being obese, I'm just fucked up about food, so I must be one of those chasing victim status.

However if I accept this, well I pay much more in tax than most and probably won't live as long, so refuse to be blamed for the downfall of the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I got lambasted and accused as being part of the problem when I last commented on a similar discussion, however it can't be denied that there is a recurring theme of excuses and victimisation.

I'm not directing that anybody in particular and I appreciate that some people are genuinely unfortunate victims of circumstance - but they're the minority.

The majority need to get off their ass, eat better, change their mindset and stop playing the victim if they want to lose weight.

I have no circumstances or medical reasons for being obese, I'm just fucked up about food, so I must be one of those chasing victim status.

However if I accept this, well I pay much more in tax than most and probably won't live as long, so refuse to be blamed for the downfall of the NHS. "

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"It's a myth that it's cheaper to eat unhealthy diet to a healthy one.

People just need to start thinking differently.

Seriously try it

A solid healthy evening meal at its cheapest is £2 per person I can eat a crap meal that's just as or more filling from £0.50"

if you eat half the 50p meal and keep the other half to your next meal, it'll only be 25p and you'll be thinner. Ta da.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I got lambasted and accused as being part of the problem when I last commented on a similar discussion, however it can't be denied that there is a recurring theme of excuses and victimisation.

I'm not directing that anybody in particular and I appreciate that some people are genuinely unfortunate victims of circumstance - but they're the minority.

The majority need to get off their ass, eat better, change their mindset and stop playing the victim if they want to lose weight.

You are right. We are a nation of apologists and blameists.

Eating healthy is not expensive - we just need to want to do it and be prepared to change. I would say that our shopping bill has gone down since we stopped buying pizza and ready meals."

I agree on the healthy eating bit, cost doesn't come into it for me. But are we a nation of apologists? I still genuinely think most people are anti-fat. Obviously I can only go off my own experience but that tells me: when I'm obese, I get nasty comments or otherwise ignored, when I'm slimmer I get compliments galore and treated like a better person. (NOT including experiences on this site because we all know it's a crock of shit and not reflective of the real world).

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"It's a myth that it's cheaper to eat unhealthy diet to a healthy one.

People just need to start thinking differently.

Seriously try it

A solid healthy evening meal at its cheapest is £2 per person I can eat a crap meal that's just as or more filling from £0.50"

What one meal can you eat for 50p every day? and further... would you eat a 50p meal every day? What about the rest of the day - every day?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not a myth here, if i fill the shopping trolley up with ready meals crisps and choc it costs far less than raw meat, fresh or even frozen veg, fruit etc.

We pay a fortune to eat heathily in this house and i am still fat ( note i said fat not bbw or cuddly lol )

If buying fresh veg is too expensive, then by tinned. It still counts towards your five a day.

There are lots of inexpensive ways to eat healthier. For instance, start the day with a bowl of porridge. Make it with water and sweeten it with honey or slices of banana

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By *icky999Man
over a year ago

warrington

"It's a myth that it's cheaper to eat unhealthy diet to a healthy one.

People just need to start thinking differently.

Seriously try it

A solid healthy evening meal at its cheapest is £2 per person I can eat a crap meal that's just as or more filling from £0.50

What one meal can you eat for 50p every day? and further... would you eat a 50p meal every day? What about the rest of the day - every day?"

batchelers super noodles 49p. Eat till thin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The own brand noodles are only about 10p. Throw in some mixed veg for £1 that's meals for a couple of days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people are so judgemental and see them selfs as being such perfect specimens of the human race.

I'm a big lass 5 years ago was 23 stone and size 26 back then I ate fairly healthy my treat was 2 takeaways per month. Now I'm down to 15 stone and still classed you would say as bbw. I've had a lot of dealing with the NHS for treatment recently and for years as I have a couple of medical problems both which cause problems with weight.

I really do find some comments insulting why in future shouldn't I get care? Or have limited care? I eat no more than 1000 calories per day I walk a minimum of 13500 steps per day.

And I work 13 hours shifts for the NHS often not getting a break so I can eat.

Those people like the girl on the news last week need help not ridicule.

As some have no idea how a little negative comment said in jest can cause so much damage to a person in that situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're bang on, people need to take more responsibility....and if you don't then you should fund your own care as the NHS won't

Does that mean fat people won't have to pay into the NHS system?

No, they still have to pay as they will be eligible for other non-weight related issues.

I should say that my view applies to other self inflicted issues, such as smoking and drinking (and no it doesn't cover people breaking their leg in an accident playing football!)

So if a 12 year old kid experiments with drugs for the first time and has a reaction we are just leaving them to die are we?

Scrapping sexual health clinics?"

Sticking a kid on an iv and waiting till morning is generally a lot cheaper than a 50 grand kidney op.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So as not to take the plus size thread off topic...

Anyone see the news this morning about the looming obesity crisis and its potential to bankrupt the NHS?

Will we all need to accept that the responsible future is for men to have a waistline between 30" - 36" and women to be no smaller than a size 10 and no bigger than a size 16?

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?

Whilst I don't want to go off topic, nor hijack the thread, but smokers put a massive strain on the nhs too."

They do however through tax on tobacco they completely pay for their treatment and several billion pounds profit.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Some people are so judgemental and see them selfs as being such perfect specimens of the human race.

I really do find some comments insulting why in future shouldn't I get care? Or have limited care? I eat no more than 1000 calories per day I walk a minimum of 13500 steps per day.

And I work 13 hours shifts for the NHS often not getting a break so I can eat.

Those people like the girl on the news last week need help not ridicule.

As some have no idea how a little negative comment said in jest can cause so much damage to a person in that situation. "

The thread is not about being judgemental, it is about what we can do as a society to avoid the prediction that has been all over the news today...

That by 2030 (15 years) 73% of men and 67% of women will be obese and therefore at great risk of diabetes and all that this brings.

I am sure that we all agree that the journey to becoming overweight is considerably more fun and full of joy than the journey back to a healthier weight. That is at the heart of the problem and how we all go about educating ourselves and each other to either NOT go down the joyous road in the first place or help getting back if we are already on it. I personally do not think that the NHS should be denying anyone treatment for being overweight but perhaps the NHS could use some funding for preventative education and be more proactive educating people BEFORE they have to react and treat them for diabetes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing about the NHS is that they do 'blanket' fixes. They say that EVERYONE should be X or Y. When in fact everyone is different. Which is why the NHS is only good at what it's good at.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lots of those rugby players look 'chunky', does being big mean unhealthy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about those of us who are fat because of illnesses and medications?

I'm ( her ) a size 18. I have an incurable syndrome which causes rapid weight gain, and the steroids I have to take cause weight gain too. Yet I go to the gym 4-5 times a week and run roughly a total of 15k. I don't smoke and hardly drink. My exercise and diet simply stop me from gaining any more.

It's so nice to know you'd look at me and assume I sit on my fat arse and eat all day!

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

for those that have struggled with diets and are considering a gastric band

surgery, my advice is to read up about it and spend time thinking it through first. It's important to be realistic about what will happen after the surgery, to understand that you'll never be able to eat the same way as you did before, and to appreciate that the weight loss process takes time.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"What about those of us who are fat because of illnesses and medications?

It's so nice to know you'd look at me and assume I sit on my fat arse and eat all day!

No one is looking at anyone and assuming that you sit on your arse all day.

The story is that your issue cannot be the issue that is going to make 73% of men and 67% of women obese within just 15 years.

No one is talking about exceptions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I got lambasted and accused as being part of the problem when I last commented on a similar discussion, however it can't be denied that there is a recurring theme of excuses and victimisation.

I'm not directing that anybody in particular and I appreciate that some people are genuinely unfortunate victims of circumstance - but they're the minority.

The majority need to get off their ass, eat better, change their mindset and stop playing the victim if they want to lose weight.

I have no circumstances or medical reasons for being obese, I'm just fucked up about food, so I must be one of those chasing victim status.

However if I accept this, well I pay much more in tax than most and probably won't live as long, so refuse to be blamed for the downfall of the NHS. "

^^ This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about smokers that cost the nhs? What about heavy drinkers? Statistically they cost the state MORE than fat people a year

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By *uitar_antiheroMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Again I ask where all these obese people are? Having been looking at this thread I've kept my eye open all day. On the 10 minute walk through town to the train for example I saw lots of slim & average sized people, a few overweight & probaby 3 who I would think would technically be borderline obese. & that was it. So it 70% of us are heading for obesity, where are they?! I'm not saying the info is wrong btw, I'm only presenting some anecdotal evidence but I do find it surprising even though I know it's true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about smokers that cost the nhs? What about heavy drinkers? Statistically they cost the state MORE than fat people a year "

Maybe combined they cost the NHS more than obesity I'm not sure as I don't have the statistics to hand.

But it's not a competition to see who out of the smokers / drinkers / obese people 'drains' the NHS more it's about how to tackle the growing rate of obesity in this country effectively.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

It's so nice to know you'd look at me and assume I sit on my fat arse and eat all day!

I think in focusing on yourself you have actually missed the point of the thread completely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The 'I pay more tax' argument is interesting. So wealthy fatties are ok, but the poor should slim down?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The 'I pay more tax' argument is interesting. So wealthy fatties are ok, but the poor should slim down?"

Or is it more along the lines of ..'as I am in the 40% tax bracket I help prop the NHS with a heftier contribution"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's so nice to know you'd look at me and assume I sit on my fat arse and eat all day!

I think in focusing on yourself you have actually missed the point of the thread completely"

The thing is, when talking about a number of million individuals, that is made up of a number of million individual people. There isn't one blanket reason why people are overweight or obese, so there isn't one blanket way to tackle it. So when people reflect on their own experience, that IS relevant. I, as an individual, am one of those 'them', one of the obese mass, one of the 70%. But if I talk about MY reasons for weight gain it's dismissed, because I'm taking it personally or being sensitive or have a victim complex.

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over a year ago

I have a 40" waist and weigh 20stone.

I'm also a competitive strongman and English champ.

Guess I'm just another statistic right?

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over a year ago

"The 'I pay more tax' argument is interesting. So wealthy fatties are ok, but the poor should slim down?"

The catalyst for the thread was obesity is going to bankrupt the NHS. I'm not going to bankrupt the NHS, even if I stay obese. I've never missed an appointment, I've never been to A&E. I rarely see the GP, because I don't go along for self-limiting bullshit like sore throats. I'm from a leafy, middle class suburb, so statistically my health outcomes will be good until I hit 80, which if I stay obese I apparently won't. If money, cost to society is the reason I should lose weight (which according to this thread it is) then why not take money into account?

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over a year ago

"Again I ask where all these obese people are? Having been looking at this thread I've kept my eye open all day. On the 10 minute walk through town to the train for example I saw lots of slim & average sized people, a few overweight & probaby 3 who I would think would technically be borderline obese. & that was it. So it 70% of us are heading for obesity, where are they?! I'm not saying the info is wrong btw, I'm only presenting some anecdotal evidence but I do find it surprising even though I know it's true. "

I saw a fat person on the train. Just one though.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

It's so nice to know you'd look at me and assume I sit on my fat arse and eat all day!

I think in focusing on yourself you have actually missed the point of the thread completely

the original post acknowledged that the UK has an obesity problem and then posed the question 'how do we go about tackling this ?

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over a year ago

By that logic smokers should just carry on - alcoholics too, they both pay extra taxes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I believe people are educated,, people just make crap choices because of convenience.

The world has changed "

This.

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over a year ago

It's so nice to know you'd look at me and assume I sit on my fat arse and eat all day!

I think in focusing on yourself you have actually missed the point of the thread completely

the original post acknowledged that the UK has an obesity problem and then posed the question 'how do we go about tackling this ?"

I know. And the way you go about tackling it is not to lump all obese people into one big category who will all respond to the same thing. Which was my point.

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over a year ago

Well I see at 2 at least on a daily basis who are very overweight and I assume you've never set foot in a SW / WW class....?

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over a year ago

"By that logic smokers should just carry on - alcoholics too, they both pay extra taxes."

If the only reason they shouldn't carry on was becsuse of the cost impact then yes, that's the logical conclusion.

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over a year ago

"By that logic smokers should just carry on - alcoholics too, they both pay extra taxes."

If you're referring to my quote I was just looking at it from another point of view ~ Im not in that tax bracket lol!

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over a year ago

To throw in some practical suggestions..

Pedestrianise town centres with car parking well away.

Ban parking by schools - it's dangerous anyway.

Improve public transport and make it cheaper.

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By *uitar_antiheroMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Well I see at 2 at least on a daily basis who are very overweight and I assume you've never set foot in a SW / WW class....?"

Nope I haven't. I just gave my own anecdotal comment that's all.

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over a year ago

"By that logic smokers should just carry on - alcoholics too, they both pay extra taxes.

If you're referring to my quote I was just looking at it from another point of view ~ Im not in that tax bracket lol!"

I wasn't sorry. I was trying to work out if 'heftiest' was a deliberate pun

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over a year ago

"To throw in some practical suggestions..

Pedestrianise town centres with car parking well away.

Ban parking by schools - it's dangerous anyway.

Improve public transport and make it cheaper.

All good suggestions.

(I don't drive, I walk or take public transport everywhere, and I'm still obese though

)

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over a year ago

"By that logic smokers should just carry on - alcoholics too, they both pay extra taxes.

If the only reason they shouldn't carry on was becsuse of the cost impact then yes, that's the logical conclusion. "

It's not the only argument. I think you know that.

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over a year ago

"To throw in some practical suggestions..

Pedestrianise town centres with car parking well away.

Ban parking by schools - it's dangerous anyway.

Improve public transport and make it cheaper.

All good suggestions.

(I don't drive, I walk or take public transport everywhere, and I'm still obese though

) "

Are you walking into Gregg's? (Sorry)

I do think we need to be prised out of cars though.

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over a year ago

"By that logic smokers should just carry on - alcoholics too, they both pay extra taxes.

If the only reason they shouldn't carry on was becsuse of the cost impact then yes, that's the logical conclusion.

It's not the only argument. I think you know that.

Of course I do. But the opening premise of the thread was that fat people were going to bankrupt the NHS, not that obesity was a bad thing for any other reason.

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over a year ago

I haven't read the whole thread so may be repeating a comment.

If they have private medical insurance through their job or personally , you have no issue ? Will they wear a placard to declare it ?

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over a year ago

"I haven't read the whole thread so may be repeating a comment.

If they have private medical insurance through their job or personally , you have no issue ? Will they wear a placard to declare it ?"

I think they get an XXXL T-shirt

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over a year ago

"To throw in some practical suggestions..

Pedestrianise town centres with car parking well away.

Ban parking by schools - it's dangerous anyway.

Improve public transport and make it cheaper.

All good suggestions.

(I don't drive, I walk or take public transport everywhere, and I'm still obese though

)

Are you walking into Gregg's? (Sorry)

I do think we need to be prised out of cars though."

Only when I'm in the grips of a binge cycle (I'm not, right now, so no.) Of course, emotional and mental health plays no part in it though...

I agree on cars to a point. I do think a closer look at the statistics might indicate a correlation between deprivation and obesity though, and it's those more deprived sections of the community who have the lowest levels of car ownership.

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over a year ago

"By that logic smokers should just carry on - alcoholics too, they both pay extra taxes.

If you're referring to my quote I was just looking at it from another point of view ~ Im not in that tax bracket lol!

I wasn't sorry. I was trying to work out if 'heftiest' was a deliberate pun

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"By that logic smokers should just carry on - alcoholics too, they both pay extra taxes.

If the only reason they shouldn't carry on was becsuse of the cost impact then yes, that's the logical conclusion.

It's not the only argument. I think you know that.

Of course I do. But the opening premise of the thread was that fat people were going to bankrupt the NHS, not that obesity was a bad thing for any other reason. "

Obesity and diabetes is probably equally bad for both the person and the NHS.

There has been a story running on BBC and Sky News all day today and however you want to fly the flag... 73% of men and 67% of women being obese is not good news for anyone.

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By *4nc3rCouple
over a year ago

Clacton-On-Sea, Essex

The last time I received any NHS treatment was the midwife service during my pregnancy... which I fighted against and insisted I really didn't need the endless consultant appointments because I was healthy and if I had a health issue I would contact them... (where the consultant also agreed with me after meeting me that it was of no requirement for me to be high-risk consultant lead care)

The time before that was during my first pregnancy...

The time before that was when I was about 15 and had an eye infection that required a single course of antibiotics to clear.

Whilst I understand the point that lifestyle choices/mistakes cost NHS services money it is theoretically impossible to decide whether a person deserves to essentially live or die in some cases.

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over a year ago

"By that logic smokers should just carry on - alcoholics too, they both pay extra taxes.

If the only reason they shouldn't carry on was becsuse of the cost impact then yes, that's the logical conclusion.

It's not the only argument. I think you know that.

Of course I do. But the opening premise of the thread was that fat people were going to bankrupt the NHS, not that obesity was a bad thing for any other reason.

Obesity and diabetes is probably equally bad for both the person and the NHS.

There has been a story running on BBC and Sky News all day today and however you want to fly the flag... 73% of men and 67% of women being obese is not good news for anyone."

I'm not and never have been saying it's good. I'm obese and trying not to be. You're preaching to the converted here.

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over a year ago

"I haven't read the whole thread so may be repeating a comment.

If they have private medical insurance through their job or personally , you have no issue ? Will they wear a placard to declare it ?

I think they get an XXXL T-shirt "

Yep - I am one.

My point is though - they're not costing the NHS.

Shall we ban all dangerous sports next as they could cost the NHS money ? Two or more skiing accidents you're out ? Woe betide you do a bungee jump and get injured - it was at your own risk- my taxes aren't paying for that.

I'm glad we have ethics committees and objectivity - we'd be up shit street without a paddle otherwise .

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over a year ago

"To throw in some practical suggestions..

Pedestrianise town centres with car parking well away.

Ban parking by schools - it's dangerous anyway.

Improve public transport and make it cheaper.

All good suggestions.

(I don't drive, I walk or take public transport everywhere, and I'm still obese though

)

Are you walking into Gregg's? (Sorry)

I do think we need to be prised out of cars though.

Only when I'm in the grips of a binge cycle (I'm not, right now, so no.) Of course, emotional and mental health plays no part in it though...

I'm not convinced. For the very poorest yes, but the broader poor are not so poor as not to have access to a car.

My point though is that we need changes to lifestyle and forcing people to park further away is one if the free ways that can be influenced.

The motivational stuff, the negative stuff, the educational stuff.. doesn't seem to work.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"So as not to take the plus size thread off topic...

Anyone see the news this morning about the looming obesity crisis and its potential to bankrupt the NHS?

Will we all need to accept that the responsible future is for men to have a waistline between 30" - 36" and women to be no smaller than a size 10 and no bigger than a size 16?

Let's not descend into abuse and keep to the point of the really serious issues around being under and over weight. How can we start to educate people to be healthier in their outlook?"

But did anyone else see the figures that for the first time ever, life expectancies have fallen due to obesity?

In other words they may ('may', because many health boards ration treatments for obese people already) cost more to the nhs, but they won't draw their pensions.

We could stigmatise fat people, we could stigmatise those evil swingers who cost so much in std testing, we could stigmatise scottish people for their propensity to sunburn and thus get skin cancer or attractive people for giving me an inferiority complex.

Personally, quite often, I think overweight people have enough problems of their own, without 'society' looking down on them and tutting...

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To throw in some practical suggestions..

Pedestrianise town centres with car parking well away.

Ban parking by schools - it's dangerous anyway.

Improve public transport and make it cheaper.

All good suggestions.

(I don't drive, I walk or take public transport everywhere, and I'm still obese though

)

Are you walking into Gregg's? (Sorry)

I do think we need to be prised out of cars though.

Only when I'm in the grips of a binge cycle (I'm not, right now, so no.) Of course, emotional and mental health plays no part in it though...

I'm not convinced. For the very poorest yes, but the broader poor are not so poor as not to have access to a car.

My point though is that we need changes to lifestyle and forcing people to park further away is one if the free ways that can be influenced.

The motivational stuff, the negative stuff, the educational stuff.. doesn't seem to work.

A quick Google has just told me that the most obese and overweight region in the UK is the North East. And that the region with the lowest numbers of cars per 1000 population is also the North East.

The thing is, educational will work on some people who are obese because they don't know how to prepare healthy meals. Motivational might work with someone whose weight problems are rooted in low self-esteem. A negative 'stick' approach might work on someone who is overweight because it suits them e.g. allowing access to disability benefits.

I'm not convinced any of the approaches you've listed have actually been tried seriously in this country, which is probably why they're not working.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I haven't read the whole thread so may be repeating a comment.

If they have private medical insurance through their job or personally , you have no issue ? Will they wear a placard to declare it ?

I think they get an XXXL T-shirt

Yep - I am one.

My point is though - they're not costing the NHS.

I'm glad we have ethics committees and objectivity - we'd be up shit street without a paddle otherwise ."

Society has rounded on high risk lifestyle choices.

Smoking has effectively been demonised and taxed to the hilt.

Alcohol, not so much demonised but again, heavily taxed.

Most high risk sports require insurance - bungee jumping, ski- ing, flying etc

Nothing yet, has been done to tackle the potential for a diabetes crisis now seemingly just 15 years away. If it is not bad enough already that we have an underfunded NHS and its costs are going to escalate anyway without this issue. The prospect of a diabetes time bomb on the horizon is pretty catastrophic for the NHS.

So taking aside all the exceptions who have made their point about how different they are, what do we do as a society?

Some ideas about car parking encouraging more people to walk... What about doubling VAT on take away food? What about removing the prescription charge for diabetic drugs if the patient is attending slimming world or similar?

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over a year ago

Fact : when our school did Domestic Science, most of the kids were of normal size and build.

Now that the pupils, sorry students, are better educated and learn/are taught Food Tech they seem to be much larger. It shouldn't compute that way.

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over a year ago

"I haven't read the whole thread so may be repeating a comment.

If they have private medical insurance through their job or personally , you have no issue ? Will they wear a placard to declare it ?

I think they get an XXXL T-shirt

Yep - I am one.

My point is though - they're not costing the NHS.

I'm glad we have ethics committees and objectivity - we'd be up shit street without a paddle otherwise .

Society has rounded on high risk lifestyle choices.

Smoking has effectively been demonised and taxed to the hilt.

Alcohol, not so much demonised but again, heavily taxed.

Most high risk sports require insurance - bungee jumping, ski- ing, flying etc

So taking aside all the exceptions who have made their point about how different they are, what do we do as a society?

i was with you right until your last sentence. Notwithstanding that only 10% of presriptions are paid for by the user, why should Slimming World users get a unique privilige?

Would be better educating them to spend their $4,75 weekly fee (whatever) on quality and healthy food wouldn't it?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Obesity and diabetes is probably equally bad for both the person and the NHS.

Not all people who are obese will get diabetes, skim people can also have diabetes

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over a year ago

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Slim not skim....although skimmed milk is meant to be good for you and probably gits in with the thread

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over a year ago

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"It's a myth that it's cheaper to eat unhealthy diet to a healthy one.

People just need to start thinking differently.

Seriously try it

A solid healthy evening meal at its cheapest is £2 per person I can eat a crap meal that's just as or more filling from £0.50"

What meal can you buy for 50p?

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over a year ago

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"Slim not skim....although skimmed milk is meant to be good for you and probably gits in with the thread

FFS fat fingers tonight...* fits

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over a year ago

Ultimately I think it still comes down to personal attitude and responsibility. Culturally we've moved to a lack of personal responsibility and this is in part the result.

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over a year ago

"I haven't read the whole thread so may be repeating a comment.

If they have private medical insurance through their job or personally , you have no issue ? Will they wear a placard to declare it ?

I think they get an XXXL T-shirt

Yep - I am one.

My point is though - they're not costing the NHS.

I'm glad we have ethics committees and objectivity - we'd be up shit street without a paddle otherwise .

Society has rounded on high risk lifestyle choices.

Smoking has effectively been demonised and taxed to the hilt.

Alcohol, not so much demonised but again, heavily taxed.

Most high risk sports require insurance - bungee jumping, ski- ing, flying etc

So taking aside all the exceptions who have made their point about how different they are, what do we do as a society?

Strangely enough I am a type 2 diabetic, just diet controlled. That's why I've now lost over 2 stone and still losing.

Diabetes isn't always weight related. I agree though that there will be more at a younger age due to being overweight.

Slimming world - I don't disagree, single parents though - do they take their children? Online might work but it's less supportive.

The Desmond eating programme for diabetics is brilliant.

The biggest enemy many people face is time and pressure . Making time for that extra walk. Making time to prep a healthier meal. We all have so many pressures on us , that sometimes we let things slip. Maybe a mentor would be good to keep people feeling positive and supported.

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over a year ago

"Slim not skim....although skimmed milk is meant to be good for you and probably gits in with the thread

FFS fat fingers tonight...* fits"

What an awful thing to say.

Surely you meant pleasantly plump fingers.

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over a year ago

"Ultimately I think it still comes down to personal attitude and responsibility. Culturally we've moved to a lack of personal responsibility and this is in part the result."

Exactly this.

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By *4nc3rCouple
over a year ago

Clacton-On-Sea, Essex

Yes, lets make parking in town centers even MORE difficult, meaning more lazy people will just shop online until high street stores go out of business and move wholly online - then who's getting fatter? And retail workers like me won't have a job to pay taxes and NI contributions

I mean, it's good in theory but it just wouldn't work!

What we need is more genuinely healthy convenience foods!! - I start work at 7 am and finish at 7pm which is then bath/bed time for the kids so finally sit down around 8pm the last thing I wanna do is prep dinner.

I have all the education on nutrition, and none of the time or motivation to follow it!!

On my days off from work I eat super healthily because I genuinely prefer good proper food... but when I'm working?? Off to greggs for a steak bake any day

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over a year ago

Obesity and diabetes is probably equally bad for both the person and the NHS.

Not all people who are obese will get diabetes, skim people can also have diabetes

True but being overweight / obese is one of the main contributors to type 2 diabetes.

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over a year ago

You see I just see excuse after excuse - I'm too busy to walk, I couldn't possibly walk to the shops.. bollocks. If you need to do it, you do so - we're just really bloody lazy.

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By *uitar_antiheroMan
over a year ago

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BBF - big beautiful fingers

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Slim not skim....although skimmed milk is meant to be good for you and probably gits in with the thread

FFS fat fingers tonight...* fits

What an awful thing to say.

Surely you meant pleasantly plump fingers."

Yes thats what I meant

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over a year ago

I wonder if there's a correlation between family breakdowns and rising levels of obesity in children. Less parents sitting down to eat dinner with their children etc. Just as the UK's messed up attitude to alcohol is compared with the different culture on the continent, perhaps a more European attitude to food might not be such a bad thing either.

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over a year ago

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"BBF - big beautiful fingers"

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Yes, lets make parking in town centers even MORE difficult, meaning more lazy people will just shop online until high street stores go out of business and move wholly online - then who's getting fatter? And retail workers like me won't have a job to pay taxes and NI contributions

I mean, it's good in theory but it just wouldn't work!

I have all the education on nutrition, and none of the time or motivation to follow it!!

On my days off from work I eat super healthily because I genuinely prefer good proper food... but when I'm working?? Off to greggs for a steak bake any day

You are doing a good job of trying to convince us... But what about yourself. Are you being true to yourself?

You could have a healthy breakfast and buy a salad for lunch. Get yourself a slow cooker and your dinner can be prepared at breakfast and timed to be ready when you get home. Veg, fish and meat can all be prepared in a slow cooker.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"BBF - big beautiful fingers

Beat me to it !

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over a year ago

I'm sure this will also be dismissed as 'an excuse' or maybe sticking my head in the sand - but I think we should also to retain a sense of perspective and remember that within that 68% and 73% or whatever will be a load of people who actually, aren't that fat. A pound is the difference between your BMI being 24.9 and you being deemed healthy and your BMI being 25 and you being deemed overweight, at risk of diabetes and about to bankrupt the NHS.

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over a year ago

"I wonder if there's a correlation between family breakdowns and rising levels of obesity in children. Less parents sitting down to eat dinner with their children etc. Just as the UK's messed up attitude to alcohol is compared with the different culture on the continent, perhaps a more European attitude to food might not be such a bad thing either. "

That's a good point.

Also we should have better weather and nicer places to eat outside.

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over a year ago

"You see I just see excuse after excuse - I'm too busy to walk, I couldn't possibly walk to the shops.. bollocks. If you need to do it, you do so - we're just really bloody lazy."

I do feel you have a point as I know exactly why I am what I am.

I eat pretty healthy but too late in the evening, I skip meals and then binge to make up for it. I enjoy going out, socialising with meals, having more than a few vino's and then I always have a valid 'excuse' for not hitting the gym.

Then I go a waste my money at WW lose a few pounds and the cycle begins again.

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over a year ago

Pizza for tea anyone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pizza for tea anyone?

Thick crust, extra cheese? Giant bottle of Fanta

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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I think it is just too many nice things to tempt us to eat that are not good for us.

Someone said up there that junk food is cheaper than healthy food, at the moment fruit and veg seems to at a very low level and meat doesn't seem too bad a price either....so I am thinking just laziness rather than price. Yes I know we all have busy lives, but tonight we had two veg/ new pots and meat for tea, it took ten minutes preparing then the cooker did it's stuff....all I would have saved if we had a ready meal would have been about 9 minutes. It is hardly a lot.

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over a year ago

"You see I just see excuse after excuse - I'm too busy to walk, I couldn't possibly walk to the shops.. bollocks. If you need to do it, you do so - we're just really bloody lazy.

I do feel you have a point as I know exactly why I am what I am.

Then I go a waste my money at WW lose a few pounds and the cycle begins again.

The people I know who eat out the most are the biggest. Whatever chefs put in restaurant meals, it can't help the waist line.

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over a year ago

That's a good point.

Also we should have better weather and nicer places to eat outside.

Better weather would mean less fat people because chub rub is a nightmare when it's hot.

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I haven't read the whole thread so may be repeating a comment.

If they have private medical insurance through their job or personally , you have no issue ? Will they wear a placard to declare it ?

I think they get an XXXL T-shirt

Yep - I am one.

My point is though - they're not costing the NHS.

I'm glad we have ethics committees and objectivity - we'd be up shit street without a paddle otherwise .

Society has rounded on high risk lifestyle choices.

Smoking has effectively been demonised and taxed to the hilt.

Alcohol, not so much demonised but again, heavily taxed.

Most high risk sports require insurance - bungee jumping, ski- ing, flying etc

So taking aside all the exceptions who have made their point about how different they are, what do we do as a society?

i was with you right until your last sentence. Notwithstanding that only 10% of presriptions are paid for by the user, why should Slimming World users get a unique privilige?

Would be better educating them to spend their $4,75 weekly fee (whatever) on quality and healthy food wouldn't it?"

Only 10% of prescriptions paid for? Is that right? How is that possible?

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over a year ago

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I think diabetes prescriptions are free altogether.

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over a year ago

ok so hot weather and nakedness might help.

When we first went to a naturist place we did put a bit more effort in to eating less shit

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over a year ago

Only 10% of prescriptions paid for? Is that right? How is that possible?"

There are so many exemptions from having to pay for them. And in lots of cases the groups who don't have to pay for them, don't have to pay for them because they are the very groups who are most likely to be on a lot of prescription medications e.g. the elderly.

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over a year ago

O o O oo

Only 10% of prescriptions paid for? Is that right? How is that possible?

People with certain medical conditions can get free NHS prescriptions if:

they have one of the conditions listed below, and

they hold a valid medical exemption certificate.

Medical exemption certificates are issued on application to people who have:

(for example

diabetes insipidus or other forms of hypopituitarism

diabetes mellitus, except where treatment is by diet alone

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By *ugby 123Couple
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Only 10% of prescriptions paid for? Is that right? How is that possible?

People with certain medical conditions can get free NHS prescriptions if:

they have one of the conditions listed below, and

they hold a valid medical exemption certificate.

Medical exemption certificates are issued on application to people who have:

(for example

diabetes insipidus or other forms of hypopituitarism

diabetes mellitus, except where treatment is by diet alone"

http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcosts/Pages/Prescriptioncosts.aspx

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over a year ago

It's someone else's fault.

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